Stern ladder

ron_barr · November 5, 2007, 11:44pm

Posted by ron barr (rwhb@…>)

Has anybody installed an after market stern ladder on a Hoyt 32??
If so could they post model info? Thanks

Ron
Newport RI

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Payne_Doug · November 6, 2007, 1:44am

Posted by Payne, Doug (doug.payne@…>)

They don’t make swim ladders like
they used to. I wanted to add one to my Mull
28 and everything I could find was junk, especially all offerings from west
marine. Thankfully, I found a Mull 30 guy why
was adding the sugar scoop and sold me his original equipment ladder that came
with the boat. Big difference in quality. The cheap ones aren’t worth
installing.

•••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••
Douglas M. Payne
Managing Partner - Dallas Ft. Worth
Tatum, LLC
5400 LBJ Freeway
Suite 800
Dallas, TX 75240
office ••• 972.200.1555
mobile ••• 972.953.8065
fax ••• 972.200.1349
doug.payne@…
www.tatumllc.com

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5:45 PM
To:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Stern ladder

Has anybody installed an after market stern ladder on a Hoyt
32?? If so could they post model info? Thanks

Ron

Newport RI

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Al_Lorman1 · November 6, 2007, 2:56am

Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)

I’ve
never seen this ladder in person, but it seems like a good idea: http://www.mysticstainless.com/page2.html

Al
Lorman
F30
Ab Initio

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Behalf Of Payne, Doug
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:44 PM
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Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

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They
don’t make swim ladders like they used to. I wanted to add one to my Mull
28 and everything I could find was junk, especially all offerings from west
marine. Thankfully, I found a Mull 30 guy why was adding the sugar scoop
and sold me his original equipment ladder that came with the boat. Big
difference in quality. The cheap ones aren’t worth installing.

•••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••
Douglas
M. Payne
Managing Partner - Dallas Ft. Worth
Tatum, LLC
5400 LBJ Freeway
Suite 800
Dallas, TX 75240
office ••• 972.200.1555
mobile ••• 972.953.8065
fax ••• 972.200.1349
doug.payne@…
www.tatumllc.com

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ron barr
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 5:45 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

Has anybody installed an after market
stern ladder on a Hoyt 32?? If so could they post model info? Thanks

Ron
Newport RI

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Alan_Kusinitz · November 6, 2007, 4:03am

Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)

I have one of these but mounted it by the
lifeline gates. Two sets of mounts port and starboard in case I want to switch
it.
I have an emergency plastimo pull down
ladder in a bag on the transom.
The mystic ladder is very well made. Takes
a little getting used to which way to fold it. It is very stable if you
cut the tubes that keep it off the hull the correct different lengths to match
the curve of the hull. You need an extension that they provide to reverse sides.

Although the steps are flattened it would
still be nice to use their word or plastic flat step add-ons if you have the
room.
Also they have different length and width
ladders so be sure you have it long enough below the water to make an easy step
and not to high when folded against the lifelines or stern pulpit. It is very
expensive but I viewed it as part of my safety equipment.
Alan F-33 Hull #51 SEAPR

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Al Lorman
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007
9:56 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Stern ladder

I’ve never seen this ladder in person, but it seems like a
good idea: http://www.mysticstainless.com/page2.html

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Payne, Doug
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007
8:44 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Stern ladder

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They don’t make swim ladders like they used to. I wanted to
add one to my Mull 28 and everything I could
find was junk, especially all offerings from west marine. Thankfully, I found a
Mull 30 guy why was adding the sugar
scoop and sold me his original equipment ladder that came with the boat. Big
difference in quality. The cheap ones aren’t worth installing.

•••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••
Douglas M. Payne
Managing Partner - Dallas Ft. Worth
Tatum, LLC
5400 LBJ Freeway
Suite 800
Dallas, TX
75240
office ••• 972.200.1555
mobile ••• 972.953.8065
fax ••• 972.200.1349
doug.payne@tatumllc.com
www.tatumllc.com

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[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of ron barr
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007
5:45 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Stern ladder

Has anybody installed an after market stern ladder on a Hoyt
32?? If so could they post model info? Thanks

Ron
Newport RI

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ron_barr · November 6, 2007, 4:40am

Posted by ron barr (rwhb@…>)

Hey thanks Al– looks interesting I wonder if it is deployable
by someone in the water with a line or something?

Ron

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FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Al Lorman
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:56 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

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I’ve never seen this ladder in person, but it seems like
a good idea: http://www.mysticstainless.com/page2.html

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Payne, Doug
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:44 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

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They don’t make swim ladders like they used
to. I wanted to add one to my Mull 28 and everything I could find was junk,
especially all offerings from west marine. Thankfully, I found a Mull 30
guy why was adding the sugar scoop and sold me his original equipment ladder
that came with the boat. Big difference in quality. The cheap ones aren’t worth
installing.

•••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••
Douglas M. Payne
Managing Partner - Dallas Ft. Worth
Tatum, LLC
5400 LBJ Freeway
Suite 800
Dallas, TX 75240
office ••• 972.200.1555
mobile ••• 972.953.8065
fax ••• 972.200.1349
doug.payne@…
www.tatumllc.com

From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of ron barr
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 5:45 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

Has anybody installed an after market
stern ladder on a Hoyt 32?? If so could they post model info? Thanks

Ron
Newport RI

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Alan_Kusinitz · November 6, 2007, 5:06am

Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)

I thought about this. Its pretty heavy and
I’d be concerned about it hitting the swimmer in the head. However like
any fold up ladder one could run a loop with a line hanging down (like a
shoelace tie) that could be pulled. I decided instead to put a plastimo soft
emergency ladder in a bag on the transom (tied to the bases of the stern
pulpit) instead.

Alan

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ron barr
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007
11:41 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Stern ladder

Hey thanks Al– looks interesting I wonder if it is
deployable by someone in the water with a line or something?

Ron

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[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Al Lorman
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007
9:56 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Stern ladder

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I’ve never seen this ladder in person, but it seems like a
good idea: http://www.mysticstainless.com/page2.html

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Payne, Doug
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007
8:44 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Stern ladder

\

They don’t make swim ladders like they used to. I wanted to
add one to my Mull 28 and everything I could
find was junk, especially all offerings from west marine. Thankfully, I found a
Mull 30 guy why was adding the sugar
scoop and sold me his original equipment ladder that came with the boat. Big
difference in quality. The cheap ones aren’t worth installing.

•••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••
Douglas M. Payne
Managing Partner - Dallas Ft. Worth
Tatum, LLC
5400 LBJ Freeway
Suite 800
Dallas, TX
75240
office ••• 972.200.1555
mobile ••• 972.953.8065
fax ••• 972.200.1349
doug.payne@tatumllc.com
www.tatumllc.com

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[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of ron barr
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007
5:45 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Stern ladder

Has anybody installed an after market stern ladder on a Hoyt
32?? If so could they post model info? Thanks

Ron
Newport RI

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Al_Lorman1 · November 6, 2007, 3:12pm

Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)

According
to the diagram on their web site, you might be able to rig a line to deploy it
while in the water. But, as Alan said, I’d hate to be underneath it
when it deployed.

Al

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FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of ron barr
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 11:41 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

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Hey thanks Al– looks
interesting I wonder if it is deployable by someone in the water with a line or
something?

Ron

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FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Al Lorman
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:56 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

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I’ve never seen this ladder in person, but it seems
like a good idea: http://www.mysticstainless.com/page2.html

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Payne, Doug
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:44 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

\

They don’t make swim ladders like
they used to. I wanted to add one to my Mull 28 and everything I could find was
junk, especially all offerings from west marine. Thankfully, I found a Mull
30 guy why was adding the sugar scoop and sold me his original equipment
ladder that came with the boat. Big difference in quality. The cheap ones
aren’t worth installing.

•••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••
Douglas M. Payne
Managing Partner - Dallas Ft. Worth
Tatum, LLC
5400 LBJ Freeway
Suite 800
Dallas, TX 75240
office ••• 972.200.1555
mobile ••• 972.953.8065
fax ••• 972.200.1349
doug.payne@…
www.tatumllc.com

From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of ron barr
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 5:45 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

Has anybody installed an after market
stern ladder on a Hoyt 32?? If so could they post model info? Thanks

Ron
Newport RI

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katorpus1 · November 6, 2007, 10:21pm

Posted by katorpus (jrb@…>)

A few thoughts on the “in-water” deployment issue

Perhaps the location on the stern is not the best…

When recovering an “overboard”, there’s a lot to be said for the
ability to get the overboard party into the lee of the
boat…drifting down on him, as it were. I don’t WANT to be in the
water at the stern if someone is backing down on me by using the
prop, do you?

Freeboard tends to be least near the centerline of the boat
(particularly if the boat has a “sprung” sheerline). Less freeboard =
less ladder length = less cost = less weight (to hit you in the head).

If you’re sailing solo, you’ll not likely “catch up” to the boat by
swimming anyway, so the problem of deployment becomes moot, as there
will have to be someone on board to get the boat back to you. Some
solo sailors tow a warp on a float in hopes of catching it as a last-
ditch effort. I don’t know if this has ever been successful in
practice or not, but I guess it’s a comfort thing.

If you have a “tug” line rigged and fall off the boat at anchor, with
any luck, you’ll have enough foresight (sobriety?) to stay out of the
way of the ladder when it releases, at which point you can resume
whatever you were doing and hope that you dry off before the rest of
the crew awakes and embarrasses you further.

A properly sized (lengtht & diameter) bungee cord could certainly
halt the free fall of the just-released ladder enough to avoid
cranial impact, while (hopefully) leaving it within arms length. Your
weight on the ladder would then over-stretch the bungee and allow
full deployment.

It may also be possible to “tighten up” the axle mechanism (on which
the ladder rotates) enough to require that it be “pulled” down, as
opposed to dropping freely. In this case, things ought to be
happening slowly enough that you can avoid concussion.

Just my thoughts.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Al Lorman” <ajl@…>
wrote:

According to the diagram on their web site, you might be able to
rig a line
to deploy it while in the water. But, as Alan said, I’d hate to be
underneath it when it deployed.

Al

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ron barr
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 11:41 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

Hey thanks Al- looks interesting I wonder if it is deployable by
someone in
the water with a line or something?

Ron

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Al Lorman
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:56 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

I’ve never seen this ladder in person, but it seems like a good
idea:
http://www.mysticstainless.com/page2.html

Al Lorman

F30 Ab Initio

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Payne, Doug
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:44 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

They don’t make swim ladders like they used to. I wanted to add one
to my
Mull 28 and everything I could find was junk, especially all
offerings from
west marine. Thankfully, I found a Mull 30 guy why was adding the
sugar
scoop and sold me his original equipment ladder that came with the
boat. Big
difference in quality. The cheap ones aren’t worth installing.

…

Douglas M. Payne
Managing Partner - Dallas Ft. Worth
Tatum, LLC
5400 LBJ Freeway
Suite 800
Dallas, TX 75240

office … 972.200.1555
mobile … 972.953.8065
fax … 972.200.1349
doug.payne@…
www.tatumllc.com

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ron barr
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 5:45 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

Has anybody installed an after market stern ladder on a Hoyt 32??
If so
could they post model info? Thanks

Ron

Newport RI

ron_barr · November 6, 2007, 10:21pm

Posted by ron barr (rwhb@…>)

Interesting – maybe it is one solution if you’re drowning.
I’ll give them a call.

Ron

Newport RI 02840

From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Al Lorman
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 10:12 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

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According to the diagram on their web site, you might be
able to rig a line to deploy it while in the water. But, as Alan said,
I’d hate to be underneath it when it deployed.

Al

From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of ron barr
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 11:41 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

\

Hey thanks Al– looks interesting I
wonder if it is deployable by someone in the water with a line or something?

Ron

From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Al Lorman
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:56 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

\

I’ve never seen this ladder in person, but it seems like
a good idea: http://www.mysticstainless.com/page2.html

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Payne, Doug
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:44 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

\

They don’t make swim ladders like they used
to. I wanted to add one to my Mull 28 and everything I could find was junk,
especially all offerings from west marine. Thankfully, I found a Mull 30
guy why was adding the sugar scoop and sold me his original equipment ladder
that came with the boat. Big difference in quality. The cheap ones aren’t worth
installing.

•••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••
Douglas M. Payne
Managing Partner - Dallas Ft. Worth
Tatum, LLC
5400 LBJ Freeway
Suite 800
Dallas, TX 75240
office ••• 972.200.1555
mobile ••• 972.953.8065
fax ••• 972.200.1349
doug.payne@…
www.tatumllc.com

From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of ron barr
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 5:45 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

Has anybody installed an after market
stern ladder on a Hoyt 32?? If so could they post model info? Thanks

Ron
Newport RI

\

Alan_Kusinitz · November 7, 2007, 12:11am

Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)

Good thoughts. Use of the emergency soft
ladder at the transom is not intended for MOB pickup since someone would need
to be on the boat to bring it back and could release the “real”
ladder in advance. Its more in case I fall overboard at anchor or when drifting
and I’m solo. The freeboard on my F-33 is enough that it would be hard to
climb back aboard although I believe I could either using my windvane on the
transom or an anchor snubbing line that runs from a u bolt near the water line
to the anchor roller. Of course if the boats at anchor there’s also the
anchor chain.
Alan

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of katorpus
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007
5:21 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re:
Stern ladder

A few thoughts on the “in-water” deployment
issue

Perhaps the location on the stern is not the best…

When recovering an “overboard”, there’s a lot to be said for the
ability to get the overboard party into the lee of the
boat…drifting down on him, as it were. I don’t WANT to be in the
water at the stern if someone is backing down on me by using the
prop, do you?

Freeboard tends to be least near the centerline of the boat
(particularly if the boat has a “sprung” sheerline). Less freeboard =

less ladder length = less cost = less weight (to hit you in the head).

If you’re sailing solo, you’ll not likely “catch up” to the boat by
swimming anyway, so the problem of deployment becomes moot, as there
will have to be someone on board to get the boat back to you. Some
solo sailors tow a warp on a float in hopes of catching it as a last-
ditch effort. I don’t know if this has ever been successful in
practice or not, but I guess it’s a comfort thing.

If you have a “tug” line rigged and fall off the boat at anchor, with

any luck, you’ll have enough foresight (sobriety?) to stay out of the
way of the ladder when it releases, at which point you can resume
whatever you were doing and hope that you dry off before the rest of
the crew awakes and embarrasses you further.

A properly sized (lengtht & diameter) bungee cord could certainly
halt the free fall of the just-released ladder enough to avoid
cranial impact, while (hopefully) leaving it within arms length. Your
weight on the ladder would then over-stretch the bungee and allow
full deployment.

It may also be possible to “tighten up” the axle mechanism (on which
the ladder rotates) enough to require that it be “pulled” down, as
opposed to dropping freely. In this case, things ought to be
happening slowly enough that you can avoid concussion.

Just my thoughts.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com,
“Al Lorman” <ajl@…>
wrote:

According to the diagram on their web site, you might be able to
rig a line
to deploy it while in the water. But, as Alan said, I’d hate to be
underneath it when it deployed.

Al

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of ron barr
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 11:41 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

Hey thanks Al- looks interesting I wonder if it is deployable by
someone in
the water with a line or something?

Ron

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Al Lorman
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:56 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

I’ve never seen this ladder in person, but it seems like a good
idea:
http://www.mysticstainless.com/page2.html

Al Lorman

F30 Ab Initio

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Payne, Doug
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:44 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

They don’t make swim ladders like they used to. I wanted to add one
to my
Mull 28 and everything I could find was
junk, especially all
offerings from
west marine. Thankfully, I found a Mull
30 guy why was adding the
sugar
scoop and sold me his original equipment ladder that came with the
boat. Big
difference in quality. The cheap ones aren’t worth installing.

…

Douglas M. Payne
Managing Partner - Dallas Ft. Worth
Tatum, LLC
5400 LBJ Freeway
Suite 800
Dallas, TX 75240

office … 972.200.1555
mobile … 972.953.8065
fax … 972.200.1349
doug.payne@…
www.tatumllc.com

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of ron barr
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 5:45 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

Has anybody installed an after market stern ladder on a Hoyt 32??
If so
could they post model info? Thanks

Ron

Newport RI

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linsey_johnson1 · November 7, 2007, 12:32am

Posted by linsey johnson (linseyjohnson6@…>)

Maybe you should look for a happy ladder instead of a stern one!

----- Original Message -----
From: ron barr
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:21 PM
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

Interesting - maybe it is one solution if you’re drowning.
I’ll give them a call.

Ron

Newport RI 02840

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Al LormanSent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 10:12 AMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

According to the diagram on their web site, you might be able to rig a line to deploy it while in the water. But, as Alan said, I’d hate to be underneath it when it deployed.

Al

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ron barrSent: Monday, November 05, 2007 11:41 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

Hey thanks Al- looks interesting I wonder if it is deployable by someone in the water with a line or something?

Ron

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Al LormanSent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:56 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

I’ve never seen this ladder in person, but it seems like a good idea: http://www.mysticstainless.com/page2.html

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Payne, DougSent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:44 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

They don’t make swim ladders like they used to. I wanted to add one to my Mull 28 and everything I could find was junk, especially all offerings from west marine. Thankfully, I found a Mull 30 guy why was adding the sugar scoop and sold me his original equipment ladder that came with the boat. Big difference in quality. The cheap ones aren’t worth installing.

…
Douglas M. Payne Managing Partner - Dallas Ft. WorthTatum, LLC 5400 LBJ Freeway Suite 800Dallas, TX 75240
office … 972.200.1555mobile … 972.953.8065fax … 972.200.1349doug.payne@tatumllc.comwww.tatumllc.com

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ron barrSent: Monday, November 05, 2007 5:45 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

Has anybody installed an after market stern ladder on a Hoyt 32?? If so could they post model info? Thanks

Ron
Newport RI

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Peter_Schaefer · November 7, 2007, 9:10am

Posted by Peter Schaefer (pcschaefer@…>)

On some of the classical cat ketches i.e. F33/F40 I have seen steps on
the outboard hung stern rudders as an emergency ladder.

Greetings
Peter

Alan Kusinitz wrote:

Good thoughts. Use of the emergency soft ladder at the transom is not
intended for MOB pickup since someone would need to be on the boat to
bring it back and could release the “real” ladder in advance. Its more
in case I fall overboard at anchor or when drifting and I’m solo. The
freeboard on my F-33 is enough that it would be hard to climb back
aboard although I believe I could either using my windvane on the
transom or an anchor snubbing line that runs from a u bolt near the
water line to the anchor roller. Of course if the boats at anchor
there’s also the anchor chain.

Alan

Alan_Kusinitz · November 7, 2007, 12:21pm

Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)

Yes mine had screwed on fold out metal steps on the rudder and transom. I
was concerned about water getting into the rudder from the step screws and
removed them. Although not comfortable they were functional and a simple
unobtrusive solution.
Alan

-----Original Message-----
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Schaefer
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 4:10 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Stern ladder

On some of the classical cat ketches i.e. F33/F40 I have seen steps on
the outboard hung stern rudders as an emergency ladder.

Greetings
Peter

Alan Kusinitz wrote:

Good thoughts. Use of the emergency soft ladder at the transom is not
intended for MOB pickup since someone would need to be on the boat to
bring it back and could release the “real” ladder in advance. Its more
in case I fall overboard at anchor or when drifting and I’m solo. The
freeboard on my F-33 is enough that it would be hard to climb back
aboard although I believe I could either using my windvane on the
transom or an anchor snubbing line that runs from a u bolt near the
water line to the anchor roller. Of course if the boats at anchor
there’s also the anchor chain.

Alan

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michel.capel · November 7, 2007, 12:52pm

Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)

I have a Plastimo Flushmount Safety Ladder (art # 51558), look at
Plastimo.com → man over board → flushmount safety ladder.

It’s a small nifty device that looks like a throughhull with a
plastic pull tab. You mount it low in the stern. If you’re in the
water, you pull the tab and a small 3-rung ladder and a handhold
emerges. You still need something higher up the transom to get on
board again, or await help from the crew.

Here’s the text from the website:

Helps any crewmember get back on board easily without external help.
Suitable for current use (bathing) or in case of Man Over Board.
Consists of 3 polypropylene steps and 1 st. steel handle assembled
by a highly resistant line, (bright yellow Ø 3 mm polyester). Ladder
is stored in a polyamide tube with a grey polypropylene cap, for
optimum protection and waterproofness.

The Man Over Board removes the cap, pulls the ladder down, and
climbs onboard.

• Light
• Very easy flush mount (like a Ø 38 mm thru-hull fitting).
• Transom or skirt mount (sail and power boats), just above
waterline.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Alan Kusinitz”
<akusinitz@…> wrote:

I thought about this. Its pretty heavy and I’d be concerned about
it hitting
the swimmer in the head. However like any fold up ladder one could
run a
loop with a line hanging down (like a shoelace tie) that could be
pulled. I
decided instead to put a plastimo soft emergency ladder in a bag
on the
transom (tied to the bases of the stern pulpit) instead.

Alan

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ron barr
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 11:41 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

Hey thanks Al- looks interesting I wonder if it is deployable by
someone in
the water with a line or something?

Ron

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Al Lorman
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:56 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

I’ve never seen this ladder in person, but it seems like a good
idea:
http://www.mysticst http://www.mysticstainless.com/page2.html
ainless.com/page2.html

Al Lorman

F30 Ab Initio

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Payne,
Doug
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:44 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

They don’t make swim ladders like they used to. I wanted to add
one to my
Mull 28 and everything I could find was junk, especially all
offerings from
west marine. Thankfully, I found a Mull 30 guy why was adding the
sugar
scoop and sold me his original equipment ladder that came with the
boat. Big
difference in quality. The cheap ones aren’t worth installing.

…

Douglas M. Payne
Managing Partner - Dallas Ft. Worth
Tatum, LLC
5400 LBJ Freeway
Suite 800
Dallas, TX 75240

office … 972.200.1555
mobile … 972.953.8065
fax … 972.200.1349
doug.payne@…
www.tatumllc.com

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ron barr
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 5:45 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Stern ladder

Has anybody installed an after market stern ladder on a Hoyt 32??
If so
could they post model info? Thanks

Ron

Newport RI

katorpus1 · November 7, 2007, 4:58pm

Posted by katorpus (jrb@…>)

Alan

I think your concerns were well founded. When I bought my Freedom 40
Cat Ketch, it had significant osmotic blistering. In the course of
getting that resolved, it became evident that the rudder was
completely saturated as well.

The only point of ingress of water into the rudder that I could
detect was the caulked holes (which penetrated into the coring) where
the single folding step was attached.

I removed the step, drilled a couple of holes in the bottom end of
the rudder and water POURED out for a good while…and drained
continually for about a week in the hot South Texas sun (this was in
the boatyard, naturally, not in the water).

Other than heating up the rudder with a steam cleaner (at the same
time I was heating the hull with the steam cleaner) on an every 2-4
day schedule over a six month period of time, I didn’t do anything
else to “dry out” the coring in the rudder.

When we were done, and ready to redo the hull glass, we over-bored
the step holes and filled them with epoxy & kitty hair, repaired
the “drain holes” the same way, and re-bored the step holes into
solid glass to prevent a repeat of the water intrusion.

It is possible that there was water intrusion at the fittings which
hang the rudder from the stern, but I’d like to think that the design
and implementation of the rudder construction was such that these
fittings are NOT attached to a cored portion of the rudder!!

As far as the “emergency” use of this step to reboard the boat is
concerned…don’t count on it.

Adrenaline is a wonderful thing at times, and people can accomplish
amazing things when they “have to” (witness the DISTANCE that the
survivor of that NC beach house fire had to jump out of that 3rd
floor window in order to clear the concrete deck and land (mostly) in
the canal)…

…but…planting one (maybe bare) foot on a single metal step on the
rudder, hanging onto the boomkin stays with your fingers (again,
maybe bare), followed by planting the other foot on top of the
fiberglass shield over the hydraulic ram that moves the rudder,
followed by clambering over the boomkin to “regain” the boat is not
something that will be emininently workable for anyone at any time
other than when the boat is floating gently in dead calm water.

Not bragging here, but I have a LOT of leg and upper body strength.
Most people I know couldn’t get themselves back on the boat this way.

If I’m “going for a swim” at anchor or whatever, I use the
polypropylene rope ladder with the plastic steps…hung over the side
from the midship cleat (where the freeboard is minimal). That’s not
particularly “fun”, since you tend to get your toes between the
ladder steps and the hullside, but it’s a lot easier on your fingers.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Alan Kusinitz”
<akusinitz@…> wrote:

Yes mine had screwed on fold out metal steps on the rudder and
transom. I
was concerned about water getting into the rudder from the step
screws and
removed them. Although not comfortable they were functional and a
simple
unobtrusive solution.
Alan

-----Original Message-----
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Schaefer
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 4:10 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Stern ladder

On some of the classical cat ketches i.e. F33/F40 I have seen steps
on
the outboard hung stern rudders as an emergency ladder.

Greetings
Peter

Alan Kusinitz wrote:

Good thoughts. Use of the emergency soft ladder at the transom is
not
intended for MOB pickup since someone would need to be on the boat
to
bring it back and could release the “real” ladder in advance. Its
more
in case I fall overboard at anchor or when drifting and I’m solo.
The
freeboard on my F-33 is enough that it would be hard to climb back
aboard although I believe I could either using my windvane on the
transom or an anchor snubbing line that runs from a u bolt near the
water line to the anchor roller. Of course if the boats at anchor
there’s also the anchor chain.

Alan

Yahoo! Groups Links

Alan_Kusinitz · November 7, 2007, 5:07pm

Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)

Interesting. I thought about reattaching
the steps after filling and widening the screw holes with epoxy but as you say
its not comfortable/easy anyway even with adding a few more. On my rudder my
impression from the holes was that the fiberglass is so thick that the core
probably was more to shape the rudder then for actual strength but that’s
just a hunch.
I did replace some bolts for the fittings
for the gudgeons that attach the rudder and also steering quadrant when I was
installing my windvane (to put in longer ones on which I could attach blocks to
run my vane lines through the transom slot to the wheel) and it was solid
fiberglass at those points.
Alan F-33 Hull #51 1982 SEAPR

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of katorpus
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007
11:58 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re:
Stern ladder