unstepping mast on a 25

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Posted by fgljff (fgljff@…>)

I just bought a Freedom 25 and will be trailering it home (about 110 miles). I
didn’t get a
chance to look closely at the gooseneck. How is the boom attached to the mast?
Also, other
than the bolt at the mast step, are there any other attachment points? I’d like
to prepare it for
trailering myself because this yard where the boat’s located (New England) is
nickle and
diming me for everything. Any other advice on trailering the boat would be
appreciated as
well.

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Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)

I had an ‘82 F-25 with wing mast, so some of this may not apply to
your boat which I assume has a round mast. I don’t know how the mast
is attached; the wing mast is held down by the halyard, vang and
reefing lines. If it’s like my F-28, then the mast is also wedged in
place by a rubber wedge compressed by the alloy collar at the deck
level. The boom is attached to the mast very conventionally with a
clevis pin and cotter pin. I lifted the mast out of the boat using an
A-frame made of two 20 foot 2"x4"s, and to increase power, I used
the mainsheet tackle. The A-frame was steadied by lines to the bow,
and the stern of the boat. the bottom of the A-frame was also tied to
the stanchions to keep them from moving. I think 16 foot 2x4s could
do the job provided you have someone securing/controlling the bottom
of the mast as it comes out of the hole. I also had two wooden
cradles, one each on each of the pulpits, with the one on the front
pulpit having a trailer roller to let me move the mast by myself. I
secured the lifting line at the gooseneck, and it looped around the
mast. The loop was lifted by the lifting tackle to just above the
center of gravity of the entire mast. If you use 16’ A-frame, you’ll
need to let the loop up to a spot low enough to withdraw the mast
from the deck, but as high as possible. This situation will be below
the center of gravity, and when the mast is free of the deck, it be
“top-heavy”, and hence must be controlled by someone, while the guy
on the mainsheet tackle slowly lets the mast down to the deck.
Good luck, Herm SV Impulse

At 08:07 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote:

I just bought a Freedom 25 and will be trailering it home (about 110
miles). I didn’t get a
chance to look closely at the gooseneck. How is the boom attached to
the mast? Also, other
than the bolt at the mast step, are there any other attachment
points? I’d like to prepare it for
trailering myself because this yard where the boat’s located (New
England) is nickle and
diming me for everything. Any other advice on trailering the boat
would be appreciated as
well.

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Posted by fgljff (fgljff@…>)

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Herman and Gail Schiller
<hschiller2@…>
wrote:

I had an ‘82 F-25 with wing mast, so some of this may not apply to
your boat which I assume has a round mast. I don’t know how the mast
is attached; the wing mast is held down by the halyard, vang and
reefing lines. If it’s like my F-28, then the mast is also wedged in
place by a rubber wedge compressed by the alloy collar at the deck
level. The boom is attached to the mast very conventionally with a
clevis pin and cotter pin. I lifted the mast out of the boat using an
A-frame made of two 20 foot 2"x4"s, and to increase power, I used
the mainsheet tackle. The A-frame was steadied by lines to the bow,
and the stern of the boat. the bottom of the A-frame was also tied to
the stanchions to keep them from moving. I think 16 foot 2x4s could
do the job provided you have someone securing/controlling the bottom
of the mast as it comes out of the hole. I also had two wooden
cradles, one each on each of the pulpits, with the one on the front
pulpit having a trailer roller to let me move the mast by myself. I
secured the lifting line at the gooseneck, and it looped around the
mast. The loop was lifted by the lifting tackle to just above the
center of gravity of the entire mast. If you use 16’ A-frame, you’ll
need to let the loop up to a spot low enough to withdraw the mast
from the deck, but as high as possible. This situation will be below
the center of gravity, and when the mast is free of the deck, it be
“top-heavy”, and hence must be controlled by someone, while the guy
on the mainsheet tackle slowly lets the mast down to the deck.
Good luck, Herm SV Impulse

My boat is also an '82, with a wing mast. The yard is pulling the mast with
their crane, but
they claimed that they needed to ‘unrig’ the mast, ie detach all the shrouds and
stays. I
told them the boat has neither shrouds nor stays. There is only a running
backstay and the
boom, which can be unfastened at the gooseneck in less than a minute. I’m going
to have
them simply lay the mast on the deck with several foam blocks fore and aft,
beneath it. I’ll
secure it with tie downs.



\

At 08:07 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote:

I just bought a Freedom 25 and will be trailering it home (about 110
miles). I didn’t get a
chance to look closely at the gooseneck. How is the boom attached to
the mast? Also, other
than the bolt at the mast step, are there any other attachment
points? I’d like to prepare it for
trailering myself because this yard where the boat’s located (New
England) is nickle and
diming me for everything. Any other advice on trailering the boat
would be appreciated as
well.

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Posted by Bill Fischer (billllll@…>)

Please be careful. I have a Freedom 21, that I trailer. I unstep the mast every time. It gets heavy all of a sudden. I wouldn’t want to hear about someone dropping the mast.

Bill… Blue Lightning F21
.
.

----- Original Message -----
From: fgljff
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:31 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: unstepping mast on a 25


— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Herman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@…> wrote:>> I had an ‘82 F-25 with wing mast, so some of this may not apply to > your boat which I assume has a round mast. I don’t know how the mast > is attached; the wing mast is held down by the halyard, vang and > reefing lines. If it’s like my F-28, then the mast is also wedged in > place by a rubber wedge compressed by the alloy collar at the deck > level. The boom is attached to the mast very conventionally with a > clevis pin and cotter pin. I lifted the mast out of the boat using an > A-frame made of two 20 foot 2"x4"s, and to increase power, I used > the mainsheet tackle. The A-frame was steadied by lines to the bow, > and the stern of the boat. the bottom of the A-frame was also tied to > the stanchions to keep them from moving. I think 16 foot 2x4s could > do the job provided you have someone securing/controlling the bottom > of the mast as it comes out of the hole. I also had two wooden > cradles, one each on each of the pulpits, with the one on the front > pulpit having a trailer roller to let me move the mast by myself. I > secured the lifting line at the gooseneck, and it looped around the > mast. The loop was lifted by the lifting tackle to just above the > center of gravity of the entire mast. If you use 16’ A-frame, you’ll > need to let the loop up to a spot low enough to withdraw the mast > from the deck, but as high as possible. This situation will be below > the center of gravity, and when the mast is free of the deck, it be > “top-heavy”, and hence must be controlled by someone, while the guy > on the mainsheet tackle slowly lets the mast down to the deck.> Good luck, Herm SV Impulse> My boat is also an '82, with a wing mast. The yard is pulling the mast with their crane, but they claimed that they needed to ‘unrig’ the mast, ie detach all the shrouds and stays. I told them the boat has neither shrouds nor stays. There is only a running backstay and the boom, which can be unfastened at the gooseneck in less than a minute. I’m going to have them simply lay the mast on the deck with several foam blocks fore and aft, beneath it. I’ll secure it with tie downs.> At 08:07 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote:> > >I just bought a Freedom 25 and will be trailering it home (about 110 > >miles). I didn’t get a> >chance to look closely at the gooseneck. How is the boom attached to > >the mast? Also, other> >than the bolt at the mast step, are there any other attachment > >points? I’d like to prepare it for> >trailering myself because this yard where the boat’s located (New > >England) is nickle and> >diming me for everything. Any other advice on trailering the boat > >would be appreciated as> >well.> >> >>

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Posted by Wilf Bishop (wilf.bishop@…>)

Regarding mast lifting on the F21 - I posted two articles on this on our site. One describes the gear needed and the other shows step-by-step photos of the whole operation. Although my F21 mast is only 30ft long I guess that the F25 mast at 40ft is no greater problem - only needing longer sheer legs? I find that with good sheer legs and lifting tackle the weight of the mast is not the problem - only the possibility of the mast moving around in a stiff breeze when suspended from the hoisting tackle. So lift in light wind conditions & have two helpers to steady & guide the mast foot and everything should be OK? Also treat yourself (and your helpers) to a stiff drink afterwards.

Wilf Bishop
F21 DAYDREAM
UK Sail No 205

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Fischer
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: unstepping mast on a 25



Please be careful. I have a Freedom 21, that I trailer. I unstep the mast every time. It gets heavy all of a sudden. I wouldn’t want to hear about someone dropping the mast.

Bill… Blue Lightning F21
.
.

----- Original Message -----
From: fgljff
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:31 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: unstepping mast on a 25


— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Herman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@…> wrote:>> I had an ‘82 F-25 with wing mast, so some of this may not apply to > your boat which I assume has a round mast. I don’t know how the mast > is attached; the wing mast is held down by the halyard, vang and > reefing lines. If it’s like my F-28, then the mast is also wedged in > place by a rubber wedge compressed by the alloy collar at the deck > level. The boom is attached to the mast very conventionally with a > clevis pin and cotter pin. I lifted the mast out of the boat using an > A-frame made of two 20 foot 2"x4"s, and to increase power, I used > the mainsheet tackle. The A-frame was steadied by lines to the bow, > and the stern of the boat. the bottom of the A-frame was also tied to > the stanchions to keep them from moving. I think 16 foot 2x4s could > do the job provided you have someone securing/controlling the bottom > of the mast as it comes out of the hole. I also had two wooden > cradles, one each on each of the pulpits, with the one on the front > pulpit having a trailer roller to let me move the mast by myself. I > secured the lifting line at the gooseneck, and it looped around the > mast. The loop was lifted by the lifting tackle to just above the > center of gravity of the entire mast. If you use 16’ A-frame, you’ll > need to let the loop up to a spot low enough to withdraw the mast > from the deck, but as high as possible. This situation will be below > the center of gravity, and when the mast is free of the deck, it be > “top-heavy”, and hence must be controlled by someone, while the guy > on the mainsheet tackle slowly lets the mast down to the deck.> Good luck, Herm SV Impulse> My boat is also an '82, with a wing mast. The yard is pulling the mast with their crane, but they claimed that they needed to ‘unrig’ the mast, ie detach all the shrouds and stays. I told them the boat has neither shrouds nor stays. There is only a running backstay and the boom, which can be unfastened at the gooseneck in less than a minute. I’m going to have them simply lay the mast on the deck with several foam blocks fore and aft, beneath it. I’ll secure it with tie downs.> At 08:07 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote:> > >I just bought a Freedom 25 and will be trailering it home (about 110 > >miles). I didn’t get a> >chance to look closely at the gooseneck. How is the boom attached to > >the mast? Also, other> >than the bolt at the mast step, are there any other attachment > >points? I’d like to prepare it for> >trailering myself because this yard where the boat’s located (New > >England) is nickle and> >diming me for everything. Any other advice on trailering the boat > >would be appreciated as> >well.> >> >>



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Posted by jim3bk (jim3bk@…>)

I also own a F-25 with wing mast. I unstepped the mast myself last
weekend. Other than wrapping the halyards, lazy jack lines and
running backstays around the mast and unbolting the boom there is
nothing else to free. There is no bolt at the mast step, just the
stationary male pin the mast rotates around. My boom attaches to the
gooseneck with a long bolt and double nuts. You would probably have
a hard time laying the mast down on the deck. A better option is to
lay it down on the pulpit and aft stanchions and tie it down.
To tow your boat you will need a tow vehicle with a min 5000 lbs tow
capacity.

Jim Driebeek
In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “fgljff” <fgljff@…> wrote:

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Herman and Gail Schiller
<hschiller2@>
wrote:

I had an ‘82 F-25 with wing mast, so some of this may not apply
to
your boat which I assume has a round mast. I don’t know how the
mast
is attached; the wing mast is held down by the halyard, vang and
reefing lines. If it’s like my F-28, then the mast is also
wedged in
place by a rubber wedge compressed by the alloy collar at the
deck
level. The boom is attached to the mast very conventionally with
a
clevis pin and cotter pin. I lifted the mast out of the boat
using an
A-frame made of two 20 foot 2"x4"s, and to increase power, I
used
the mainsheet tackle. The A-frame was steadied by lines to the
bow,
and the stern of the boat. the bottom of the A-frame was also
tied to
the stanchions to keep them from moving. I think 16 foot 2x4s
could
do the job provided you have someone securing/controlling the
bottom
of the mast as it comes out of the hole. I also had two wooden
cradles, one each on each of the pulpits, with the one on the
front
pulpit having a trailer roller to let me move the mast by
myself. I
secured the lifting line at the gooseneck, and it looped around
the
mast. The loop was lifted by the lifting tackle to just above
the
center of gravity of the entire mast. If you use 16’ A-frame,
you’ll
need to let the loop up to a spot low enough to withdraw the
mast
from the deck, but as high as possible. This situation will be
below
the center of gravity, and when the mast is free of the deck, it
be
“top-heavy”, and hence must be controlled by someone, while the
guy
on the mainsheet tackle slowly lets the mast down to the deck.
Good luck, Herm SV Impulse

My boat is also an '82, with a wing mast. The yard is pulling the
mast with their crane, but
they claimed that they needed to ‘unrig’ the mast, ie detach all
the shrouds and stays. I
told them the boat has neither shrouds nor stays. There is only a
running backstay and the
boom, which can be unfastened at the gooseneck in less than a
minute. I’m going to have
them simply lay the mast on the deck with several foam blocks fore
and aft, beneath it. I’ll
secure it with tie downs.

At 08:07 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote:

I just bought a Freedom 25 and will be trailering it home
(about 110
miles). I didn’t get a
chance to look closely at the gooseneck. How is the boom
attached to
the mast? Also, other
than the bolt at the mast step, are there any other attachment
points? I’d like to prepare it for
trailering myself because this yard where the boat’s located
(New
England) is nickle and
diming me for everything. Any other advice on trailering the
boat
would be appreciated as
well.

7

Posted by andre laviolette (andrelaviolette@…>)
Another easy way to remove mast is to bring another boat alongside an use its spinnaker halyard. Boats will lean towards each other somewhat making things easier. Andre.Wilf Bishop <wilf.bishop@…> wrote: Regarding mast lifting on the F21 - I posted two articles on this on our site. One describes the gear needed and the other shows step-by-step photos of the whole operation. Although my F21 mast is only 30ft long I guess
that the F25 mast at 40ft is no greater problem - only needing longer sheer legs? I find that with good sheer legs and lifting tackle the weight of the mast is not the problem - only the possibility of the mast moving around in a stiff breeze when suspended from the hoisting tackle. So lift in light wind conditions & have two helpers to steady & guide the mast foot and everything should be OK? Also treat yourself (and your helpers) to a stiff drink afterwards. Wilf Bishop F21 DAYDREAM UK Sail No 205 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Fischer To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: unstepping mast on a 25 Please be careful. I have a Freedom 21, that I trailer. I unstep the mast every time. It gets heavy all of a sudden. I wouldn’t want to hear about someone dropping the mast. Bill… Blue Lightning F21 . . ----- Original Message ----- From: fgljff To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:31 PM Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: unstepping mast on a 25 — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Herman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@…> wrote:>> I had an '82 F-25 with wing mast, so some of this may not apply to > your boat which I assume has a round mast. I don’t know how the mast > is
attached; the wing mast is held down by the halyard, vang and > reefing lines. If it’s like my F-28, then the mast is also wedged in > place by a rubber wedge compressed by the alloy collar at the deck > level. The boom is attached to the mast very conventionally with a > clevis pin and cotter pin. I lifted the mast out of the boat using an > A-frame made of two 20 foot 2"x4"s, and to increase power, I used > the mainsheet tackle. The A-frame was steadied by lines to the bow, > and the stern of the boat. the bottom of the A-frame was also tied to > the stanchions to keep them from moving. I think 16 foot 2x4s could > do the job provided you have someone securing/controlling the bottom > of the mast as it comes out of the hole. I also had two wooden > cradles, one each on each of the pulpits, with the one on the front > pulpit having a trailer roller to let me move the mast by myself. I

secured the lifting line at the gooseneck, and it looped around the > mast. The loop was lifted by the lifting tackle to just above the > center of gravity of the entire mast. If you use 16’ A-frame, you’ll > need to let the loop up to a spot low enough to withdraw the mast > from the deck, but as high as possible. This situation will be below > the center of gravity, and when the mast is free of the deck, it be > “top-heavy”, and hence must be controlled by someone, while the guy > on the mainsheet tackle slowly lets the mast down to the deck.> Good luck, Herm SV Impulse> My boat is also an '82, with a wing mast. The yard is pulling the mast with their crane, but they claimed that they needed to ‘unrig’ the mast, ie detach all the shrouds and stays. I told them the boat has neither shrouds nor stays. There is only a running backstay and the boom, which can be unfastened at the
gooseneck in less than a minute. I’m going to have them simply lay the mast on the deck with several foam blocks fore and aft, beneath it. I’ll secure it with tie downs.> At 08:07 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote:> > >I just bought a Freedom 25 and will be trailering it home (about 110 > >miles). I didn’t get a> >chance to look closely at the gooseneck. How is the boom attached to > >the mast? Also, other> >than the bolt at the mast step, are there any other attachment > >points? I’d like to prepare it for> >trailering myself because this yard where the boat’s located (New > >England) is nickle and> >diming me for everything. Any other advice on trailering the boat > >would be appreciated as> >well.> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/472 - Release Date: 11/10/2006
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Posted by andre laviolette (andrelaviolette@…>)
Attach mast lifting line as high up on the mast as pratical and attach bridle from lifting line down to gooseneck.Wilf Bishop <wilf.bishop@…> wrote: Regarding mast lifting on the F21 - I posted two articles on this on our site. One describes the gear needed and the other shows step-by-step photos of the whole operation. Although my F21 mast is only 30ft long I guess that the F25 mast at 40ft is no greater problem - only needing longer sheer legs? I find that with good
sheer legs and lifting tackle the weight of the mast is not the problem - only the possibility of the mast moving around in a stiff breeze when suspended from the hoisting tackle. So lift in light wind conditions & have two helpers to steady & guide the mast foot and everything should be OK? Also treat yourself (and your helpers) to a stiff drink afterwards. Wilf Bishop F21 DAYDREAM UK Sail No 205 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Fischer To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: unstepping mast on a 25 Please be careful. I have a Freedom 21, that I trailer. I unstep the mast every time. It gets heavy all of a sudden. I wouldn’t want to hear about someone dropping the mast. Bill… Blue Lightning F21 . . ----- Original Message ----- From: fgljff To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:31 PM Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: unstepping mast on a 25 — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Herman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@…> wrote:>> I had an ‘82 F-25 with wing mast, so some of this may not apply to > your boat which I assume has a round mast. I don’t know how the mast > is attached; the wing mast is held down by the halyard, vang and > reefing lines. If it’s like my F-28, then
the mast is also wedged in > place by a rubber wedge compressed by the alloy collar at the deck > level. The boom is attached to the mast very conventionally with a > clevis pin and cotter pin. I lifted the mast out of the boat using an > A-frame made of two 20 foot 2"x4"s, and to increase power, I used > the mainsheet tackle. The A-frame was steadied by lines to the bow, > and the stern of the boat. the bottom of the A-frame was also tied to > the stanchions to keep them from moving. I think 16 foot 2x4s could > do the job provided you have someone securing/controlling the bottom > of the mast as it comes out of the hole. I also had two wooden > cradles, one each on each of the pulpits, with the one on the front > pulpit having a trailer roller to let me move the mast by myself. I > secured the lifting line at the gooseneck, and it looped around the > mast. The loop was lifted
by the lifting tackle to just above the > center of gravity of the entire mast. If you use 16’ A-frame, you’ll > need to let the loop up to a spot low enough to withdraw the mast > from the deck, but as high as possible. This situation will be below > the center of gravity, and when the mast is free of the deck, it be > “top-heavy”, and hence must be controlled by someone, while the guy > on the mainsheet tackle slowly lets the mast down to the deck.> Good luck, Herm SV Impulse> My boat is also an '82, with a wing mast. The yard is pulling the mast with their crane, but they claimed that they needed to ‘unrig’ the mast, ie detach all the shrouds and stays. I told them the boat has neither shrouds nor stays. There is only a running backstay and the boom, which can be unfastened at the gooseneck in less than a minute. I’m going to have them simply lay the mast on the deck with several foam blocks
fore and aft, beneath it. I’ll secure it with tie downs.> At 08:07 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote:> > >I just bought a Freedom 25 and will be trailering it home (about 110 > >miles). I didn’t get a> >chance to look closely at the gooseneck. How is the boom attached to > >the mast? Also, other> >than the bolt at the mast step, are there any other attachment > >points? I’d like to prepare it for> >trailering myself because this yard where the boat’s located (New > >England) is nickle and> >diming me for everything. Any other advice on trailering the boat > >would be appreciated as> >well.> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus
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