Wanted - Used Blade Jib for F21

Posted by wilfred2736 (wilf.bishop@…>)

Has anyone got a second hand skinny blade jib for the F21 available
for sale? Since Garry Hoyt advises that this is useful in light
winds to improve reaching performance I would love to try one on my
twin lift keel UK-built F21 “Daydream” S/N 205. If I find it useful
I can then have a new one made-up?

From drawings I have seen this is a jib that one hanks onto the top
of the gun-mount tube abd hoists using the spinnaker halyard? The
drawing suggests a skinny blade jib with a luff of about 17ft 6in and
a max chord of around 4ft. The drwing also indicated a camberspar
type arrangement to induce permanent camber in the jib?

If anyone has such a tiny sail lying unused & unloved in their
sailbag pls contact me with comments on sail condition & an asking
price - to save cluttering-up the message board you can contact me
directly on wilf.bishop@…

Living here in England I would prefer a UK/European source but if
necessary I’ll consider buying one in the USA & shipping it over
(plus the outrageous 17.5% VAT import duty sadly!)

Thanks

Wilf Bishop

Posted by Charlie L. (clivaday@…>)

Paul Silvernail at mastheadusedsails.com (mastheadsails.com?) has
numerous Freedom used sails and might have a F21 jib. I had both a
blade and a 200% genoa/staysail for my F21. The blade was practically
useless, except in very high winds, but the genoa greatly increased
speed and pointing in up to 12 knots. I used a harken staysail furler
for the headsails, and that was a great improvement for ease of
sailing. I now have a Freedom 25, and have the same setup-a 200%
genoa/staysail on a Harken furler. A great cruising staysail for
these boats is a Doyle Sails UPS sail. You can find it on their
website. Probably the best sail for you to buy, if you’re a cruiser.
Charlie


— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “wilfred2736”
<wilf.bishop@…> wrote:

Has anyone got a second hand skinny blade jib for the F21 available
for sale? Since Garry Hoyt advises that this is useful in light
winds to improve reaching performance I would love to try one on my
twin lift keel UK-built F21 “Daydream” S/N 205. If I find it
useful
I can then have a new one made-up?

From drawings I have seen this is a jib that one hanks onto the top
of the gun-mount tube abd hoists using the spinnaker halyard? The
drawing suggests a skinny blade jib with a luff of about 17ft 6in
and
a max chord of around 4ft. The drwing also indicated a camberspar
type arrangement to induce permanent camber in the jib?

If anyone has such a tiny sail lying unused & unloved in their
sailbag pls contact me with comments on sail condition & an asking
price - to save cluttering-up the message board you can contact me
directly on wilf.bishop@…

Living here in England I would prefer a UK/European source but if
necessary I’ll consider buying one in the USA & shipping it over
(plus the outrageous 17.5% VAT import duty sadly!)

Thanks

Wilf Bishop

Posted by andre laviolette (andrelaviolette@…>)
Charlie, What is your tacking angle with your 200% genoa and where do you tack the UPS. Andre , " Scaramanga " F25.“Charlie L.” <clivaday@…> wrote: Paul Silvernail at mastheadusedsails.com (mastheadsails.com?) has numerous Freedom used sails and might have a F21 jib. I had both a blade and a 200% genoa/staysail for my F21. The blade was practically useless, except in very high winds, but the genoa greatly increased speed and pointing in up to 12 knots. I used a harken staysail furler for the headsails, and that was a great improvement for ease of sailing. I now have a Freedom 25, and have the same setup-a 200% genoa/staysail on a Harken furler. A great cruising staysail for these boats is a Doyle Sails UPS sail. You can find it on their
website. Probably the best sail for you to buy, if you’re a cruiser. Charlie— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “wilfred2736” <wilf.bishop@…> wrote:>> Has anyone got a second hand skinny blade jib for the F21 available > for sale? Since Garry Hoyt advises that this is useful in light > winds to improve reaching performance I would love to try one on my > twin lift keel UK-built F21 “Daydream” S/N 205. If I find it useful > I can then have a new one made-up?> > From drawings I have seen this is a jib that one hanks onto the top > of the gun-mount tube abd hoists using the spinnaker halyard? The > drawing suggests a skinny blade jib with a luff of about 17ft 6in and > a max chord of around 4ft. The drwing also indicated a camberspar > type arrangement to induce permanent camber in the jib?> > If anyone has such a tiny
sail lying unused & unloved in their > sailbag pls contact me with comments on sail condition & an asking > price - to save cluttering-up the message board you can contact me > directly on wilf.bishop@…> > Living here in England I would prefer a UK/European source but if > necessary I’ll consider buying one in the USA & shipping it over > (plus the outrageous 17.5% VAT import duty sadly!)> > Thanks> > Wilf Bishop>
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Posted by Charlie L. (clivaday@…>)

Hello Andre. I just got the 200%, and raced it for the first time
Sunday. This sail has a luff of 25’, leech of 24’ and lp of 12’, so
it is tacked to the top of the spinnaker pole tube. The tacking angle
on Sunday was about 3% under the S2 7.9, two S2 6.?s, and a J24–much
better than I have ever done against them with a smaller jib. Wind
ranged from 8 to 14 knots. I actually passed up these boats downwind
and on the reaching leg, using a small wisker pole–also a first for
me against these boats. I expect to do better when I relocate my
sheeting blocks. I tack the UPS to the top of the spinnaker pole
tube. I also have a genoa with a luff of 27’, and LP of 9, which I
tack to the deck eye. I use the Harken furler for all 3 of these
headsails. Without the furler, the luffs of the sails could be made
longer. The F25 handles the 200% sail much easier in 12+ knots of
wind, than the F21 did with its 200% genoa. Of course, these sails
are “staysails”, and not jibs or genoas. Happy sailing. Charlie


— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, andre laviolette
<andrelaviolette@…> wrote:

Charlie,

What is your tacking angle with your 200% genoa and where do you
tack the UPS.

Andre , " Scaramanga " F25.

“Charlie L.” <clivaday@…> wrote:
Paul Silvernail at mastheadusedsails.com (mastheadsails.com?) has
numerous Freedom used sails and might have a F21 jib. I had both a
blade and a 200% genoa/staysail for my F21. The blade was
practically
useless, except in very high winds, but the genoa greatly increased
speed and pointing in up to 12 knots. I used a harken staysail
furler
for the headsails, and that was a great improvement for ease of
sailing. I now have a Freedom 25, and have the same setup-a 200%
genoa/staysail on a Harken furler. A great cruising staysail for
these boats is a Doyle Sails UPS sail. You can find it on their
website. Probably the best sail for you to buy, if you’re a
cruiser.
Charlie

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “wilfred2736”
<wilf.bishop@> wrote:

Has anyone got a second hand skinny blade jib for the F21
available
for sale? Since Garry Hoyt advises that this is useful in light
winds to improve reaching performance I would love to try one on
my
twin lift keel UK-built F21 “Daydream” S/N 205. If I find it
useful
I can then have a new one made-up?

From drawings I have seen this is a jib that one hanks onto the
top
of the gun-mount tube abd hoists using the spinnaker halyard?
The
drawing suggests a skinny blade jib with a luff of about 17ft 6in
and
a max chord of around 4ft. The drwing also indicated a
camberspar
type arrangement to induce permanent camber in the jib?

If anyone has such a tiny sail lying unused & unloved in their
sailbag pls contact me with comments on sail condition & an
asking
price - to save cluttering-up the message board you can contact
me
directly on wilf.bishop@

Living here in England I would prefer a UK/European source but if
necessary I’ll consider buying one in the USA & shipping it over
(plus the outrageous 17.5% VAT import duty sadly!)

Thanks

Wilf Bishop

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Posted by Medium Al (hjulbyhavn@…>)

I got a used one from Baconsails .com - in good condition and cheap. I
don’t think the class head sails got nearly as much attention as the
main so you can probably do as well with a used one. You can even use
bacons site to find the dimensions of the boats the sails were sewn for
so they wount be too far off. If you fly it from the Gunmount you can
use a sail with a somewhat longer J as you will be sheeting it downward
anyway.