Posted by Larry Kraus (kracherlandl@…>)
Just a suggestion: Consider tempered glass so that if they break, they
don’t shatter in a million pieces.
LK
Fargo Rousseau wrote:
I got them all out today…after a final two hours of craping and
detailed picking to remove all possible caulking from the “backside” of
the fixed ports. Did not take pictures… sorry.
As I reported the other day, my ports were extra difficult to remove
because the previous owner had “potted” them in with black silicone.
This glued down the inner clamping/trim aluminum ring…and covered
the true sealing caulking area. My wife was a great held…because she
had the patience to slowly remove this black covering of silicone…and
work her way down to the real seal. Once all of the reachable original
white sealing silicone was remove from the inside…the ports were not
that hard to remove.
Will keep you posted on the next step…and try to take some
pictures… Now I have to take the ports apart…to remove the old
glazing. Am considering glass as a replacement.
Fargo
“Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Fargo:
Are you photographing your work? I will
ultimately have to do the same to my F30 and I’m always happy to borrow
someone else’s ideas.
Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio
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From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fargo
Rousseau
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 7:08 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Windows
Larry:
Success. All ports are out. We were able to remove most of the oozing
silicone caulk from the inside of the port opening before trying to
push the ports out. This made it much easier to remove the port. You
may want to do the same if you can reach your plexi glazing from the
inside.
Fargo
Larry Kraus <kracherlandl@bitstream.net>
wrote:
Thank you for the reply, Fargo. It sounds like your windows
are framed. Ours are not. They are some type of plexi that is screwed
to the outside of the fiberglass topside opening, and caulked around
the outside of the plexi. There is a white caulk around the plexi and I
didn’t check for hard or soft texture.
Let me know how yours turns out. I’ll do the same.
LK
Fargo Rousseau wrote:
Larry:
You catch us in mid stage on the port removal task on our F30. The
fixed ports are aluminum framed Bomar units…and may be similar in
many ways to what you are about to deal with. When we get them all
out, I plan to send them up to a shop in Rhode Island (will give you
the name if interested) and have the crazed plastic panels replace with
glass.
Back to step one…removal. Our fixed ports were originally bedded in
a light smear of white silcone…not 5200. BUT… the previous owner
attempted to solve some weeping problems by packing the area under the
inner finishing/clamping ring with black silicone. This did nothing
for the minor leaks, as you can imagine. But it effectively built a few
small dams the sent any leaks down behind the wood cabin liner AND it
glued the inside ring to the window…so… it did make the
removal a lot harder. We had to patiently separate the inner aluminum
ring from the wood and edge of the window frame. I found a very thin
long razor blade and holder (about 4 inches long) and was able to
insert this under the ring. This takes a lot of patience and
strength…but it is possible to work the knive along slowly…keeping
it very flat to the wood surface. I know of no other way to free the
ring…but to slice it free.
Of course, if you have never packed this area with Silicone…then you
won’t have to deal with this stage of the job… But… it still may be
a bit difficult to remove the inside ring. Once it is free and the edge
of the wood and fiberglass cabin cutout is visible from the inside, you
will have a chance to see the material that is holding down and
(partially) sealing your port. Again, on our boat it is white
silicone…and clearly visible…and reachable with a small screwdriver
blade. If it is white…but very stiff…then it could be 5200. If it
rubbery, then it is silicone…and your days ahead are brighter.
I scraped away as much of this bedding silicone as I could from the
back side of the frame. As we were scraping I could begin to see
daylight along the bedded edge… Frankly…on our boat…the cutout
was far too large for the frame… and roughly cut by hand…so
there was not much really holding onto the aluminum frame by the time a
had scraped away the excess ooze. So…I did not have to use much
persuation on the outside to free up the port.
Let me know if I can help further.
Best of luck.
Fargo
NARISA F30 #12
Larry Kraus <kracherlandl@bitstream.net>
wrote:
Hey group,
We purchased an F32 1984, in February. Most maintenance items have been
pretty easy, with the help of our new best friend, the local marine
mechanic. This weekend, we scrubbed her down real good, and noticed
that
4 of our 6 windows leak. Oddly enough, we saw little evidence of this
from your average, everyday rain storms over the summer. So this issue
is not a panic. Another piece of info is that the windows are pretty
crazed, or hazy. Finally, none of the windows in the salon or galley
are
opening ports. So the ventilation could be better.
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Has anyone had any experiences rebedding the windows, or replacing
the windows?
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Are the windows likely to be held in place with 3M 5200 (almost
impossible to remove from what I’ve read here)
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Has anyone put opening ports in place of the fixed plexi windows
that
are currently on the boat?
I’ve read alot about the hatch cover work that people have been doing,
but I’m not sure any of that discussion related to the windows.
Any ideas, history , or experiences good or bad?
Larry Kraus
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