storm sail on a F30 CK?

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Re: storm sail on a F30 CK?

Postby seadago » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:50 pm

Castaway wrote:... we never use the medium one (which my daughter christened the 'sh*tsail')....

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Yep, my thoughts exactly. That's what it is!

But I agree with you. I can lower my wishbone boom sufficiently (which I would do anyway, in a heavy blow, to minimise windage) to avoid interference on any lines from the trysail. It is an elegant solution.

I have one heavy padeye on the coach roof, forward of the forward hatch. I cant install any additional padeye elsewhere as my coachroof is totally covered with solar panels. Gerald, your sail is of a substantial size. I was thinking of something perhaps half the sq footage. As mentioned, just to provide adequate steering and manoeuvrability in a blow and heavy sea. I have a lot of dacron from the recut of from my old double-ply sails. Maybe I can have one made with that material at a reasonable cost, and try it for size. If I can beg borrow or steal one of those sexy trysails, I can also trial that.

Anyway Gents, you contribution much appreciated! Will proceed and report on progress.

Ta!

Rafa
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Re: storm sail on a F30 CK?

Postby VeloFellow » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:48 pm

I have a storm sail. Designed to be flown in staysail postition from front of cabin tack on a 3 foot tail from mizzen mast halyard. Never flown in significant wind.

Our light air staysail flown from same location in this photo at top of its wind range.
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Re: storm sail on a F30 CK?

Postby seadago » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:46 am

VeloFellow wrote:I have a storm sail. Designed to be flown in staysail postition from front of cabin tack on a 3 foot tail from mizzen mast halyard. Never flown in significant wind.

Our light air staysail flown from same location in this photo at top of its wind range.

Hi Mike
Yep, that's the idea. When you have the opportunity, can I ask you for the dimensions and shape of your storm sail?
Thanks!
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Re: storm sail on a F30 CK?

Postby andygc » Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:35 pm

My storm staysail is original equipment. It may have been used by the first owner, but not since.
Luff 5.35m 17' 7"
Leech 4.35m 14' 3"
Foot 2.14m 7' 0"

That leech measurement is the straight line. There's a fair degree of negative roach.

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Re: storm sail on a F30 CK?

Postby seadago » Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:43 pm

andygc wrote:My storm staysail is original equipment. It may have been used by the first owner, but not since.
Luff 5.35m 17' 7"
Leech 4.35m 14' 3"
Foot 2.14m 7' 0"

That leech measurement is the straight line. There's a fair degree of negative roach.

storm staysail-1.jpg

Superb.
Thanks Andy! Will show this pic to my sailmaker. See what he says.
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Re: storm sail on a F30 CK?

Postby VeloFellow » Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:07 pm

just returned from visiting my boat

My hamble fairways marine #112 has this sail.
Luff wire 220 inches. Sail luff 208 inches
12 inches wire beneath tack. Tack line acts as downhall.
Foot 88 inches
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Re: storm sail on a F30 CK?

Postby seadago » Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:55 am

Hi Mike
Many thanks. Veeery similar to Andy's sail. This suggests to me it's probably an original design geometry, not a later ad-on.
I would probably substitute the wire for some 6 or 8 strand braided dyneema. Easier to fold and store...
Great, many thanks again both.
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Re: storm sail on a F30 CK?

Postby VeloFellow » Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:59 pm

Rafa

Felt the same thing seeing the similarity of numbers and age of this sail that this was the original plan.

I would agree that Dyneema would make it easier to store and care for, especially a sail you may never have to use.,

I think a sleeved storm sail might reduce windage of the mast but have no numbers or experience to say if that would amount to anything useful.

Good sailing.
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