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And it begins

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Well I figured I would submit my before/after projects. Starting with the removal of the headliner.
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Saw your project, congratulations. I see you are in Alaska. I am on Gulf Coast of Texas but I think we may be thinking alike on one issue. That would be insulation. I am trying to put AC on my boat and the insulation would make the AC more efficient and also more comfortable. Have you thought about what to do there? If you don't mind, please consider sharing your thoughts. Thanks, Charles.

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Yes to insulation but as mention for different effects.

My last boat I pulled the headliner and insulated it. I utilized a few of the 6-pack of the 14" x 3' stuff from Home Depot. Basically Styrofoam. It worked find and I am did so for control of cold and condensation. The original headline for this boat saw the dumpster and it wont be missed. I have a game plan yet there are a few other things I need to get done while I have it exposed.

Right now it's demo time to expose all the issues. Will have to rebuild some of the existing wood due to rot but not too big of deal - just time and saw dust. My neighbors in all the slips around me are all the same regarding mindset so we help each other out. The head, all supply/return lines and tank have been removed. I am a fan of Compositing Toilets so that is the route that I have gone.

I will post photos as I go. I am giving my self two years to get it back up and running. Mostly due to work, time and winter.

PS. We had to eat dinner in the RV because it got too hot here (73-F).... :P (I am originally from FL and was station in Panama and Egypt/Israel so I have become a wimp when it comes to heat... :lol:
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Compost toilet - still have to add the vent.
Ignor the runny stain/varnish... Arggg guess they never heard of blue painter tape...
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Anchor chain had rusted together as a large clump. Had to break it up with a hammer before pulling it out. (As I shake my head)
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And no more holding tank - will become additional storage.
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Bye bye relic, I mean radar... You don't want to see the vintage VHF...
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We'd very much appreciate details - what materials, etc. as you go and as to what works well and what didn't. We need to replace all our headliner and I'm not looking forward to doing it for two major reasons - the mess (glue has dried and flakes everywhere) and working over my head. A friend redid his boat (and nice job) and told us to take down each section and use it as a template to make a thin plywood piece. Then he glued the headliner to that, and installed the whole piece. So he wasn't working over his head to install the headliner, just to screw it in place. What technique do you think you'll use? And how did you clean up the dried glue that flakes? Thanks for any help you can provide.
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Performed this task a decade ago on my Mull 32 (i.e. use the existing luan (1/8") as a template for new sections of luan. Glue new vinyl to same and remount. Still looks great, and no problems to date. The only recommendation I would make would be to directly glue vinyl to the replacement luan (and not use vinyl cloth with foam (typically 1/8") or add foam to same. The foam will not last, it will disintegrate -- and you will be back to the same problem a number of years hence.

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Once I get all the deck items sorted out I plan on the following:

1. Drill out all of the screw holes that were put in place for the old headliner, bevel each one and fill with thicken epoxy/410. I was kinda shocked in the amount of screws.
2. Remove ALL deck hardware, drill out each hole (Oversize), fill with thicken epoxy/410. Redrill and remount deck hardware. High stress areas I will use a better backing plate than fender washers. NO 5200 - all butyl tape.
3. Epoxy in place wood furring strips. The spacing will be either 16 or 24 oc. In between I will place insulation which will be kept in place via tension. Last time I did this I used Cedar 2x2 for new tabs. It bends ok as long as you kerf one side. I also coated each tab completely with Epoxy and held in place with 1x2. Boy it was a pain in the arse to get around but after 24 hours I was able to remove the temporary bracing.
4. I am looking a vinyl planking strips for the headliner (See Photo Example). This will be screwed to the new furring strip and those screws will be covered with new wood trim.

This will most likely happen either this coming winter or next summer. I will start pulling an item every other evening but work keeps getting into my free time :lol:

Last night I pulled ALL the running rigging, took it home and confirmed diameter and length. Will not order replacement yet until I figure out sail replacement via G-10 or original design.
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