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Antal two-way traveler winch install

Posted: Tue May 19, 2020 6:10 pm
by Belanich
I just finished installing the Antal two-way winch to handle the traveler controls. The 8:1 winch and the 2:1 blocks gives me a 16:1 purchase. 12 turns on winch to go from all the way port to all the way stbd.
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Re: Antal two-way traveler winch install

Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 5:12 pm
by JohnReinagel
Great idea, very nice. I'm certain that you will miss the burns though. I may need to consider this mod, I like it.

Re: Antal two-way traveler winch install

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:19 pm
by TonyB
A great solution. I am trying to think of how I could install one on my F40/40. I am the only person that seems to be able to adjust the traveler by hand, even with all the purchase. There is so much friction in the system. Wondering if any others with F40/40s have come up with a solution.

Re: Antal two-way traveler winch install

Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 8:22 am
by Salacia
If you are having a lot of trouble with the traveler, it is time to change the ball bearings. I have a '97 Pedrick 35. The ball bearings definitely needed replacing. Changed them this spring. Follow the Harken instructions. The only trouble I had was the screws holding down the control cars at the end of the traveler. Stainless steel into aluminum and 23 years of salt water and sun had bound them tight. I tried different techniques for over a week. A friend brought over his impact drill, put it at at the lowest setting and they loosened up.

Re: Antal two-way traveler winch install

Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 12:05 pm
by TonyB
I will definitely take a look!

Re: Antal two-way traveler winch install

Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 5:28 pm
by Camino
Salacia - I believe my 1999 F35 P also needs traveler ball bearing replacement :D Did you use Torlon bAlls? What size and how many did you need to buy (packs)? All set to try too... Do your end pieces look like these?

Thanks

Re: Antal two-way traveler winch install

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:15 am
by Salacia
The parts are all Harken. For the traveler car, use HBB197 Big Boat Non-captive Bearing Car Rebuild Kit. Yes, big boat. This is a big main.
The major problem I had was removing the control cars at the end of the track as I mentioned in the prior message. Be gentle with an impact drill. If they loosen by hand, so much the better.
Do be careful rolling the car onto the carloader. You can end up with bearings everywhere. It can go very smoothly though.
You might also want to change the bearings in the control cars. Part # 176 6 mm Delrin Ball Bearing — 21 Balls per bag. You will probably need more than one bag. I don't know how many per block.
This is trickier. There are four grooves that need bearings and the bearings do want to come out. Do this work over something with a lip because the balls falling out is very likely. I was told by a rigger to use toothpaste to hold them in and then rinse thoroughly with water. Boat smells like spearmint but that is OK.

Re: Antal two-way traveler winch install

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:56 am
by TonyB
I spent time working on my traveler yesterday. Turns out two of the blocks were completely frozen. I ended up lining all blocks and the traveler cars (yes there are two) with McLube One Drop. Got everything moving much better. But I do think a bearing replacement is in order for both cars and all blocks.
I am also considering going down to 5/16 line to help reduce friction. The way the blocks are set up on the F40/40 there are places where the line seems to just barely touch moving in opposite directions.