Posted by wblobsta (magicseeker@…>)
A little help please! I’ve almost decided that an F32 will be my means
of re-entry into the world of sailing, years after selling my C&C 25.
I need a shoal draft for southwest Florida Gulf waters but am confused
because I find both Hoyt designed and Mull designed versions of the
1984 model. Hoyt has a 12’ beam vs 10’3" for the Mull and the
displacement is 2500lbs more for the Hoyt. I would appreciate any
comments about pro’s and con’s of each and any explanation of how this
is possible for the same model year. Many thanks! Bill in Naples
Posted by Brian Guptil (sailordude@…>)
Bill
The Hoyt is by far the better of the two. The Mull series were commissioned in a far different financial market, and high quality (small) boats were not selling. They had to get the dollar per foot down in order to sell I have had a Hoyt 32 and Mull 36, now in a 44.
BG
On 5/18/07 2:18 PM, “wblobsta” <magicseeker@…> wrote:
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A little help please! I’ve almost decided that an F32 will be my means
of re-entry into the world of sailing, years after selling my C&C 25.
I need a shoal draft for southwest Florida Gulf waters but am confused
because I find both Hoyt designed and Mull designed versions of the
1984 model. Hoyt has a 12’ beam vs 10’3" for the Mull and the
displacement is 2500lbs more for the Hoyt. I would appreciate any
comments about pro’s and con’s of each and any explanation of how this
is possible for the same model year. Many thanks! Bill in Naples
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Posted by Bill Cimino (magicseeker@…>)
Thanks Brian for your input…I favor another of your past Freedoms, the F36 too, for a few dollars more than the F32…should I hold out and save for the F36? Actually, there are a few '86 Mulls available for under $75K.
thx,
Bill
From: Brian Guptil <sailordude@…>Reply-To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comTo: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] 1984 Freedom 32 both Hoyt and Mull?Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 15:19:55 -0300
BillThe Hoyt is by far the better of the two. The Mull series were commissioned in a far different financial market, and high quality (small) boats were not selling. They had to get the dollar per foot down in order to sell I have had a Hoyt 32 and Mull 36, now in a 44.BGOn 5/18/07 2:18 PM, “wblobsta” <magicseeker@hotmail.com> wrote:
A little help please! I’ve almost decided that an F32 will be my means of re-entry into the world of sailing, years after selling my C&C 25. I need a shoal draft for southwest Florida Gulf waters but am confused because I find both Hoyt designed and Mull designed versions of the 1984 model. Hoyt has a 12’ beam vs 10’3" for the Mull and the displacement is 2500lbs more for the Hoyt. I would appreciate any comments about pro’s and con’s of each and any explanation of how this is possible for the same model year. Many thanks! Bill in Naples
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Posted by vtaiariol (borelmfg@…>)
Bill in Naples,
I would not get too hung up on the displacement issue. The Mull’s
actual weight is higher that stated. My F36 was spec’ed at 13K. It
tipped the scales a 17K dry and no equip aboard. I call the factory
about this and they said the spec’s were Gary Mulls calculated guess
at time of design. I have sailed the Mull F30, and it is a great
boat. Other people have told me the F30 sails better that the F32
(Hoyt). As far as the beam goes, the F32 flares out quite a bit,
more than any other boat I have seen. I would bet the waterline beam
of each boat is about the same. The interior volume of the Mull F30
is quite large for a 30Ft boat. Almost a mini version of the F36
Best of luck in your search.
Regards,
Van
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “wblobsta”
<magicseeker@…> wrote:
A little help please! I’ve almost decided that an F32 will be my
means
of re-entry into the world of sailing, years after selling my C&C
I need a shoal draft for southwest Florida Gulf waters but am
confused
because I find both Hoyt designed and Mull designed versions of
the
1984 model. Hoyt has a 12’ beam vs 10’3" for the Mull and the
displacement is 2500lbs more for the Hoyt. I would appreciate any
comments about pro’s and con’s of each and any explanation of how
this
is possible for the same model year. Many thanks! Bill in Naples
Posted by jsforgey (jsforgey@…>)
Buy a Hoyt.
I spoke with Gary at the Miami boat show last winter. He still has a
fondness for the F-32 he designed.
We love our F-32 Hoyt. She is fast and roomy, easy to sail and a joy
in a good breeze.
Scott
Girlfriend
Posted by jsforgey@… (jsforgey@…)
No problem…this is all confusing.
The Hoyt F-32 that I have does not have a sugar scoop. It is a true 32 foot boat.
It was built in 1985 and is Hull #81.
I have heard of a number of people adding a sugar scoop, but it was not standard.
I recommend the Hoyt. We love ours.
Scott
Girlfriend
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Posted by Bill Cimino (magicseeker@…>)
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Thanks to all for their comments…still confused though…did Hoyt’s version of the 32 have a sugar scoop/ swim platform to make the 30 a 32 or did he design a true 32’ boat without the scoop adding 2 feet? I see some of the 32’s for sale are listed as Hoyt’s yet they have the 10 foot beam and the 7300 lb displacement and sugar scoop. I thought they were Mull’s if they were narrower and lighter w/ scoop. Can a 1984 boat be a Hoyt if she has the narrow beam? How in earth did there happen to be two models from two different designers in 1984? I’m about to read Hoyt’s “Ready About!” with hope that I might learn something. One member of this group mentioned that Hoyt’s were built better because the general economy of the country was more conducive for boaters to pay more for a better built smaller boat. When Mull was designer boat companies had to pinch a bit to make smaller boats less costly. Does this sound right to anyone else?
Thanks again…Bill in Naples
From: “jsforgey” <jsforgey@…>Reply-To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: 1984 Freedom 32 both Hoyt and Mull?Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 02:43:46 -0000
Buy a Hoyt.I spoke with Gary at the Miami boat show last winter. He still has a fondness for the F-32 he designed.We love our F-32 Hoyt. She is fast and roomy, easy to sail and a joy in a good breeze.ScottGirlfriend
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Posted by Fargo Rousseau (fargo_r@…>)
From a true Mull Freedom 30 owner…or now ex-owner (1986 #12):Brokers and some owners give misleading information about boats. In so far as I know the Mull series began production in 1986. There was a 28 foot model which never changed. The F30, F36, and F42 all got scoops around the end of the decade and became the F32, F38, and F45. All were about as well built as TPI knew how…meaning quite well. Some time in '86 they all got vinyl ester bottoms. I’ve heard that the F36 deep keel version does not like hard groundings, but then many boats don’t. In general, these hulls can take a serious beating from normal ocean use. The best test I know about for the F30 is still going on. The Bitter End Yacht Club in BVI bought some of the first boats for training, charter, and local racing. They are still there 20 years later. I know of no other boat that could take that kind of use and still be
commercially reliable 20 years later. For a brief time (around 1985) there was a Hoyt Freedom 29 which looks a bit like a scaled down Hoyt 32. One is for sale in Chicago if you want to look at the profile. It is nothing like the Mull boats. Hope this helps you. I would certainly get aboard both boats…and sail them if you can. Good luck,Fargo
Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)
Not to muddy the waters too much, but I saw a listing for a Freedom
45 as a Pedrick design, but the 45 Center Cockpit as Mull. anyone
want to explain that??
Lance
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, jsforgey@… wrote:
No problem…this is all confusing.
The Hoyt F-32 that I have does not have a sugar scoop. It is a
true 32 foot
boat.
It was built in 1985 and is Hull #81.
I have heard of a number of people adding a sugar scoop, but it was
not
standard.
I recommend the Hoyt. We love ours.
Scott
Girlfriend
F-32 (Hoyt)
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Posted by twales@…> (twales@…>)
I agree completely, although we Hoyt 32 owners aren’t exactly unbiased. Pound
for pound, the best boat I’ve ever sailed on.
TW Anoush Koon F32 #20 Pemaquid, ME
---- jsforgey <jsforgey@…> wrote:
Buy a Hoyt.
I spoke with Gary at the Miami boat show last winter. He still has a
fondness for the F-32 he designed.
We love our F-32 Hoyt. She is fast and roomy, easy to sail and a joy
in a good breeze.
Scott
Girlfriend