2019 Bay Area Meetup

This article came out today in 'lectronic Latitude requesting that more sailors need to visit Aquatic Park so the NPS can justify providing amenities. I have always steered away because of the “no motor” signage, but have been told (and it’s reiterated below) that this does not apply to sailboats. We had such a fun time on our first two meet-ups that we need to start planning our Third Annual Bay Area Freedom Rendez-Vous; perhaps in March or April when the weather ought to be really nice and the winds are just starting to pick up. We could tour the vessels in the museum there in Aquatic Park and do some touristy things at Fisherman’s Wharf or Fort Mason. How about we pencil in a weekend now? Please offer some dates. March 7-10 is the Ocean Film Festival at Fort Mason, which is really cool, if you’ve never done it (http://intloceanfilmfest.org/). I don’t tend to schedule out more than a month in advance so everything is wide open in March and April at the moment except for April 13, which is one of the SSS races.

Anchor in Aquatic Park Cove, Please
By Dennis O’Hanlon | January 7, 2019 |

On December 29, sailboats lit up the historic Aquatic Park anchorage with colorful holiday lights for the “Lighted Night in the Cove” to support The San Francisco Maritime National Park Association. It was a beautiful evening with perfect Bay weather conditions as the colored lights sparkled against the spectacular lighted backdrop of Ghirardelli Square and San Francisco. There were five sailboats in attendance — not as many as we hoped for, but considering the time of year, it was a good turnout. Everyone had a great time as Karen and Tim Crowe hosted the evening’s potluck aboard their Catalina 44.5 Crow’s Nest.

The idea behind holding the event was to reintroduce the Aquatic Park anchorage to the boating community in a fun and festive way. Surprisingly, many sailors aren’t aware that they can motor their sailboats into the park and anchor there. According to David Pelfrey, Aquatic Park harbormaster, the cove has the anchoring capacity of 4,380 sailboats per year, yet fewer than 300 boats anchored there last year. Part of the reason for this is misleading signage at the entrance saying “No motorboats” when they are referring to “powerboats.” Sailboats with auxiliary engines and/or dinghies with small outboards are allowed. Another common belief is that only small sailboats are allowed in, when in reality, sailboats are not limited in size. The park requests that any craft over 40-ft in length and/or with a draft of 8-ft or more contact the harbormaster for best anchoring instructions.

In San Francisco Bay, the number of anchorages is limited and needs to be preserved. The Aquatic Park anchorage in particular — with its incredible location — is quite a jewel. According to Pelfrey, the National Park Service wants the boating community to take advantage of what the park has to offer and wants to expand services for the boaters, including a dinghy dock/showers/restrooms. But, they can’t justify such an investment with such low boater attendance and zero boater input. Boaters are an important element of the customer base and part of what Aquatic Park was designed for. However, there are many different constituencies using the park, so without boater input, only non-boaters are making decisions about the direction of Aquatic Park.

According to Pelfrey, “In order for change to occur, we need the boaters.”

Aquatic Park is a gem. Been in there multiple times. Free! Sailboats should drop sails and motor in ( there used to be a restriction of no boats over 42’ but I know the Chris White designed catamaran LightSpeed - 42’ - anchored in there for 2 weeks- so don’t know about that now). Anchoring is free - just need to call VHF or phone and give boat name, length, hailing port and duration. Be very careful of swimmers - at all times of year there will be swimmers there - and at practically all hours too - no exaggeration–The problem there only being the shore! There is no dink tie up proper. we can figure out how to tie up our dinks on the open beach (which has no security).

Edit - sea lions can be a nuisance IE dinks on beach… :slight_smile:

Right, there are no amenities. :smiley:





I’m in! Pick a date.

You both have mapped out some of the issues, but we’re interested.

Thought about anchoring for New Year’s Eve and watch midnight fireworks. Carole said, “Too far, too cold.” She wasn’t wrong based on what we saw on TV that night.

My son was visiting from DC and had brought his new camera with large lens and tripod. We set up at Treasure Island with the masses on land around 9:30 and waited. The people next to us had gotten there at 6 PM. Yes, it was freezing cold and windy, but the show was nice (tho only 15 minutes long) and he got some amazing pics. It took us 1.5 hours to get back on the Bay Bridge :cry:

We r interested, sounds like fun. Shouldn’t have to work this time. Millennium Falcon.

With Tony as our most recent Bay Area Freedom owner (F40/40), we need to get a committed date on the calendar to do a raftup at Aquatic Park. The April weekends include an SSS race, the Pacific Sailboat Show and Easter, so I’m leaning toward the last weekend in March (30-31), which just coincidentally happens to be my birthday :wink:

How about it? Setting a firm date on the calendar will also get me committed to patching my dinghy right this time. Who’s in? I could notify Aquatic Park that we plan to be there. Would love to get another great showing of Freedoms. If too many people can’t come for March or we get another storm rolling in that weekend and have to cancel, we could also try another weekend in May.

We’re in


Added 3-1-19
Went to Aquatic Park yesterday - as seen, I’m in 16’ depth - better at 10-14 I believe. I was the only “non Hyde Street Pier” boat there. Lunch only. There was one swimmer towing a bright orange float right at the entrance. I was there right at a huge flood- later when I left and headed for the gate, Good Way was completely turned 180 degrees by the current - good I thought, I like sailing east anyway (I felt like I was in a Maurice Griffiths novel). Also saw a bulk carrier run aground at west end of Treasure - with the big flood he got off around 3:00pm.
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Our schedules are currently free. Add one Freedom.

Weather wimps that we are, alternative to sailing was shopping–Blue Pelican, West Marine–and walking the docks in Alameda. Saw a needs-some-help Freedom 32 at Farallone.

Hey everyone! We’re just two weeks away from our SF Bay Rendezvous. Looks like 4 boats so far. Just curious to hear if the Aquatic Park venue is scaring off some folks. Is everyone still committed to there? Would anyone else be coming if we were to move it, perhaps to Angel Island instead? We’d still need dinghies because there’s no overnight dockage. What are your thoughts?

BTW, I heard the Freedom 30 at Farallone Yachts was sold to a pilot in the South Bay with not much sailing experience, but seems excited to learn. I passed on the link about our Rendezvous plans via his broker and I am hoping he will join the forum.

Enjoyed a day on the bay Saturday until…

A squealing that I cannot reproduce. Only made noise when transmission engaged, so assume it to be from there back. Nothing I can readily access has a lube fitting. Will take the boat out again this weekend to ascertain what’s up.

Sail it until it breaks not appealing when it could be a shaft bearing. :frowning:

Ohh, sorry to hear. When my dripless shaft seal was leaking, the lack of the water lubricant was creating friction on the collar and this heat made the prop squeal. The shaft seal might also have a bubble in it, which will create heat, too. I suggest trying to “burb” it first before you go out and see if that doesn’t fix it.

Thanks C for the advice. I remember reading something akin to your idea. Kind of the way this goes. Read a lot, forget most, then the disaster occurs. Mind scrambles to find the engrams that have that apply.

Now I have to figure how to get that rubber gizmo up on my shoulder to burp it. :stuck_out_tongue:

Bill and Carole — to “burp” the thing , pull the water intake 1/2” hose to the pss shaft. pull aft about an inch - the water should squirt briskly and forcibly out of it! Have motor running and put in forward at dock, pull the water intake again at the pss seal. Water should squirt all over from there. If water is flowing you should be good— put in forward and reverse. If no water squirts then you have an obstruction in the hose somewhere.

Asking this at 6am, so if I am not clear, consider the hour. :wink:

As there is no water delivery to what I am looking at, assume I have a dripless seal? This is a rubber boot immediately after a small bit of shaft exiting the transmission.

Bill - could be you have a Volvo seal which doesn’t have a vent hose. Web search says it must be burped upon launch - If it is a Volvo seal, to burp it, grab the seal, squeeze and slightly twist it until water comes out, then let go…
Also check out this on pss https://pbase.com/mainecruising/pss_shaft_seal&page=2

Also Bill - we have the same boat so let’s check out these details when we meet - mine has pss shaft seal with vent hose. Vent hose runs directly aft and up by my exhaust hose - a very tight fit indeed. If I put a good bit of pressure on the exhaust hose, it touches the vent hose and water squirts out the bellows on the shaft. I have the exhaust hose tied off away from the vent hose (1/2” off).

The PYI shaft seals also come without a vent hose but you have to specify it. The default is a vent but that adds another inch or two to the length and won’t fit the short spacing that I have between the shaft log and the transmission coupling. If you don’t have the vent, you should have some type of rubber baffle that can be pressed aftwards enough that the water squirt outs. The water automatically fills up inside the baffle as long as the air bubble has been removed. If you’ve hauled out, this is why the baffle needs to be burped, but it’s possible that an air bubble has caught up in there. In my case, there was room on the shaft log for only one hose clamp. I put two on because 2 is always better than 1 (right…?!?) and coming back from my sail to Hawaii, the hose clamp slipped and gouged into the baffle. Because I did not have good water source for the lubricant, the spinning prop’s friction on the metal collar against the Delrin ring created too much friction and heat, which create the squeal that I heard. squealing.

FYI “dripless” means it does not have a stuffing box, which is meant to leak. There are other types of dripless seals. So far, I’ve only found the PYI type to work on the F38. which is too bad because others are less expensive…

This is what the PYI baffle looks like:
https://www.shaftseal.com/pss-maintenance-kit.html

And this is the PYI seal with the Delrin ring and SS collar: https://www.shaftseal.com/pss-type-a-seal.html

However that second link is also showing the vent line…

Bay Area roundup is Saturday! We plan on getting to Aquatic 11 ish. Raft up or straight anchor is good. If we can, lunch ashore for clam chowder etc is right there very close by? Dink ashore. Do we want to plan a pot luck type dinner and breakfast on board? Breakfast we can bring hash browns, bacon, and varied peppers, etc…, dinner we are open! Suggestions? Who’s coming? :slight_smile:

Tom, I think I’m down but for Saturday only. I am a consultant and I’ve been in full on drought conditions lately. Right now, the work feels like drinking from a fire hose, which has the potential to shut off without warning. So I need to work this Sunday again. It might also just be Good Way and Kynntana. Haven’t heard from any others.

Apologize for not following up…

Thanks to all for advice. Took the boat out again for a run short and no squeal; Moral of story, burping is good for boats and babies.

We’re out, headed to see daughter instead. I should make a separate thread for shaft seal maintenance. :wink: