Al Lorman & Lazy Jacks

Posted by ron barr (rwhb@…>)


Al,

Could you possibly send me a photo of your lazy jack set up as described
in your email earlier this year?

I don’t get the advantage of having a cleat at the AFT end of
the boom – seems like the wrong place to me, forward is easier to reach and
probably safer.
As I see it the blocks up in the air are ok as long as they don’t
chafe the sail and bang around ie: light – but wouldn’t it be easier to have a
couple of lengths of shock cord leading back towards the mast to hold the lazy
jacks forward when the cleat is released while raising the main. This would get
them free of obstructing the sail and assume the use of a rigid boom vang – presumably
like the Garhauer.

Thoughts anyone else??
Thanks

Ron
Newport RI

\

Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)


Ron:

I
posted a diagram of the revised last jacks in the Files section of this web
site. I installed the cleat with pop rivets. It is at the aft end so that all
adjustments can be made from the cockpit. Since I do have a Garhauer rigid
vang, I only use the lazy jacks to catch the sail when it comes down.

Al



From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ron barr
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:23 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Al Lorman & Lazy Jacks

\





Al,

Could you possibly send me a photo of
your lazy jack set up as described in your email earlier this year?

I don’t get the advantage of having a
cleat at the AFT end of the boom – seems like the wrong place to me, forward is
easier to reach and probably safer.
As I see it the blocks up in the air are
ok as long as they don’t chafe the sail and bang around ie: light – but
wouldn’t it be easier to have a couple of lengths of shock cord leading back
towards the mast to hold the lazy jacks forward when the cleat is released
while raising the main. This would get them free of obstructing the sail and
assume the use of a rigid boom vang – presumably like the Garhauer.

Thoughts anyone else??
Thanks

Ron
Newport RI




\

Posted by ron barr (rwhb@…>)


Thanks Al, I’ll see if I can find it… the Garhauer rig
presumably eliminates the topping lift? Is it the same as the Boomkicker – I have
forgotten, old age creeping in….

Ron Barr
82 Bridge Street
Newport RI 02840



From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Al Lorman
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:50 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Al Lorman & Lazy Jacks

\





Ron:

I posted a diagram of the revised last jacks in the Files
section of this web site. I installed the cleat with pop rivets. It is at
the aft end so that all adjustments can be made from the cockpit. Since I
do have a Garhauer rigid vang, I only use the lazy jacks to catch the sail when
it comes down.

Al



From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of ron barr
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:23 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Al Lorman & Lazy Jacks

\





Al,

Could you possibly send me a photo of
your lazy jack set up as described in your email earlier this year?

I don’t get the advantage of having a
cleat at the AFT end of the boom – seems like the wrong place to me, forward is
easier to reach and probably safer.
As I see it the blocks up in the air are
ok as long as they don’t chafe the sail and bang around ie: light – but
wouldn’t it be easier to have a couple of lengths of shock cord leading back
towards the mast to hold the lazy jacks forward when the cleat is released
while raising the main. This would get them free of obstructing the sail and
assume the use of a rigid boom vang – presumably like the Garhauer.

Thoughts anyone else??
Thanks

Ron
Newport RI








\

Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)


Ron:

The
Garhauer rigid vang (or any other brand) does eliminate the need for a topping
lift. On the F30, though, there never was a topping lift; the lazy jacks were
used to hold up the boom.

The
Boomkicker is a kind of rigid vang. Not having one, I can’t compare it to a
Garhauer.

Al



From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of ron barr
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:18 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Al Lorman & Lazy Jacks

\





Thanks Al, I’ll see if I can find it…
the Garhauer rig presumably eliminates the topping lift? Is it the same as the
Boomkicker – I have forgotten, old age creeping in….

Ron Barr
82 Bridge Street
Newport RI 02840



From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Al Lorman
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:50 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Al Lorman & Lazy Jacks

\





Ron:

I posted a diagram of the revised last jacks in the Files
section of this web site. I installed the cleat with pop rivets. It is at
the aft end so that all adjustments can be made from the cockpit. Since I
do have a Garhauer rigid vang, I only use the lazy jacks to catch the sail when
it comes down.

Al



From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of ron barr
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:23 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Al Lorman & Lazy Jacks

\





Al,

Could you possibly send me a photo of
your lazy jack set up as described in your email earlier this year?

I don’t get the advantage of having a cleat
at the AFT end of the boom – seems like the wrong place to me, forward is
easier to reach and probably safer.
As I see it the blocks up in the air are
ok as long as they don’t chafe the sail and bang around ie: light – but
wouldn’t it be easier to have a couple of lengths of shock cord leading back
towards the mast to hold the lazy jacks forward when the cleat is released
while raising the main. This would get them free of obstructing the sail and
assume the use of a rigid boom vang – presumably like the Garhauer.

Thoughts anyone else??
Thanks

Ron
Newport RI












\

Posted by katorpus (jrb@…>)

The F40 doesn’t use a topping lift either, and originally came with
soft vangs. The single line lazy jacks hold up the boom.

If you haven’t already done so, replace the upper turning blocks on
the lazy jack system with the “cheekless” kind. These will hang up a
lot LESS than the original Schaefers.

Don’t ease the lazy jacks until after the sail is raised. That way
the sail won’t “fall off” of the boom, and the boom will stay
supported. Release the sheet (or at least ease it several feet) when
hoisting the sail and it will “weathervane” into the wind, making up
for any minor errors in heading as you head into the wind to hoist
the sail(s). I do this all the time, singlehandedly, without benefit
of autopilot or wheel brake… I just reach back and move the wheel a
little (under power) to fix things if the boat starts heading off too
far.

Tighten the lazy jacks before dropping the sail…mark the line where
it runs through the cleat and you’ll know how much to tighten it
initially, and you won’t have to go back and retighten it with the
sails dropped.

When you’re done, move the halyard from the headboard to the end of
the boom and snug it up enough to take some of the pressure off of
the lazy jack lines.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Al Lorman” <ajl@…>
wrote:

Ron:

The Garhauer rigid vang (or any other brand) does eliminate the
need for a topping lift. On the F30, though, there never was a
topping lift; the lazy jacks were used to hold up the boom.

The Boomkicker is a kind of rigid vang. Not having one, I can’t
compare it to a Garhauer.

Al

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ron barr
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:18 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Al Lorman & Lazy Jacks

Thanks Al, I’ll see if I can find it… the Garhauer rig
presumably eliminates the topping lift? Is it the same as the
Boomkicker â€" I have forgotten, old age creeping in….

Ron Barr

82 Bridge Street

Newport RI 02840

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Al Lorman
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:50 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Al Lorman & Lazy Jacks

Ron:

I posted a diagram of the revised last jacks in the Files section
of this web site. I installed the cleat with pop rivets. It is at
the aft end so that all adjustments can be made from the cockpit.
Since I do have a Garhauer rigid vang, I only use the lazy jacks to
catch the sail when it comes down.

Al

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ron barr
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:23 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Al Lorman & Lazy Jacks

Al,

Could you possibly send me a photo of your lazy jack set up as
described in your email earlier this year?

I don’t get the advantage of having a cleat at the AFT end of the
boom â€" seems like the wrong place to me, forward is easier to reach
and probably safer.

As I see it the blocks up in the air are ok as long as they don’t
chafe the sail and bang around ie: light â€" but wouldn’t it be
easier to have a couple of lengths of shock cord leading back towards
the mast to hold the lazy jacks forward when the cleat is released
while raising the main. This would get them free of obstructing the
sail and assume the use of a rigid boom vang â€" presumably like the
Garhauer.

Thoughts anyone else??

Thanks

Ron

Newport RI

Posted by rick_simonds (rick_simonds@…>)

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “ron barr” <rwhb@…> wrote:

Thanks Al, I’ll see if I can find it… the Garhauer rig
presumably eliminates the topping lift? Is it the same as the
Boomkicker â€" I have forgotten, old age creeping in….

The Garhauer solid vang is, IMHO, a different and much better product
than a Boomkicker, and it turns out it’s substantially cheaper. It
will support the boom every bit as well and is FAR more powerful at
pulling it down when needed, off the wind. The custom made collar they
made that goes around the mast was something like $150 and it is
impressive: strong and beautiful, the work of an artisan. My highest
recommendation for the Garhauer. My ability to trim for a balanced
helm improved greatly by installing a powerful vang.

I don’t tighten or loosen my lazy jacks ever, I just leave them with a
slight bit of slack in them all the time. I do have to head into the
wind to raise the sail. They rarely, if ever, touch the sail when it’s
up. They catch the sail just fine coming down. I’ve never bothered
with a topping lift, either. The lazy jacks held the boom up fine
before I had the solid vang and now that seems even better.

Rick
Tallahassee