Posted by neilbob99 (neilbob99@…>)
This last Saturday on my way out to a club race (in a Freedom 32), as
I backed out of the slip the gear shifter would not go back to
neutral…I killed the engine and drifted into an empty slip
(thankfully at this point it was a ‘quiet’ day. So, as I was
crawling around in the bottom of the boat looking for linkage clues,
I discovered my rudder post housing (?) was full of salt water and
sort of slowly dripping…acting like it had been doing this for a
long time. We (being the intrepid club racers we are) finally
figured out how to disconnect the linkage from the tranny and had a
crew member acting as “Scotty the engineer” as I chanted ‘2 bells
forward’, ‘1 bell neutral’ and ‘3 bells reverse’ (it’s actually very
good docking and manuevering skills building, and off we went to the
race and resulting raft up. After several hours of good natured
partying (it was the “rum run” no less) as we decided to depart, the
ignition refused to ignite; full batteries and all, no spunk. SO, it
is often a good thing to have a reformed juvenile delinquent on board
to jump the starter and we made our way home.
My questions are:
-
Linkage- any clues how this is connected-absent an obvious
connection in the lazzarette I am guessing its in the binnacle
somewhere-anyone have experience with this-am I just looking at a lot
of WD-40? This has worked very smoothyly and this was a big surprise!
-
RUdder post water-anyone know where/how this is coming from and
how to remediate?
-
Ignition, I hope this is just too much salt water and wear and
tear but any clues helpful. Is it still possible to get a replacement
switch? Are they Yanmar specific or can any one do?
Thanks in advance,
Neil in Seattle
Posted by Doug Payne (doug.payne@…>)
Can only comment on the ignition.
Chartered a F 32 in California, on the trial the first day, the engine failed to restart out in
the ocean after an afternoon of sailing. As it was a charter and not wanting to
take any chances sailing in to the dock we called for a tow. Back at the dock,
the mechanic tested the starter switch and the ignition switch. It was the
starter button switch. Five minutes later we were back in business. Should be
fairly easy to test both to determine if the problem lies there. I didn’t
have my volt meter with me.
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-----Original Message-----
From: neilbob99
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Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004
7:36 PM
To:
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Any
day on the water in a Freedom is great but…
This last Saturday on my way out to a club race
(in a Freedom 32), as
I backed out of the slip the gear shifter would
not go back to
neutral…I killed the engine and drifted into an
empty slip
(thankfully at this point it was a ‘quiet’
day. So, as I was
crawling around in the bottom of the boat looking
for linkage clues,
I discovered my rudder post housing (?) was full
of salt water and
sort of slowly dripping…acting like it had been
doing this for a
long time. We (being the intrepid club
racers we are) finally
figured out how to disconnect the linkage from the
tranny and had a
crew member acting as “Scotty the
engineer” as I chanted ‘2 bells
forward’, ‘1 bell neutral’ and ‘3 bells reverse’
(it’s actually very
good docking and manuevering skills building, and
off we went to the
race and resulting raft up. After several
hours of good natured
partying (it was the “rum run” no less)
as we decided to depart, the
ignition refused to ignite; full batteries and
all, no spunk. SO, it
is often a good thing to have a reformed juvenile
delinquent on board
to jump the starter and we made our way home.
My questions are:
-
Linkage- any clues how this is connected-absent
an obvious
connection in the lazzarette I am guessing its in
the binnacle
somewhere-anyone have experience with this-am I
just looking at a lot
of WD-40? This has worked very smoothyly and this
was a big surprise!
-
RUdder post water-anyone know where/how this is
coming from and
how to remediate?
-
Ignition, I hope this is just too much salt
water and wear and
tear but any clues helpful. Is it still possible
to get a replacement
switch? Are they Yanmar specific or can any one
do?
Thanks in advance,
Neil in Seattle
\
Posted by rick_simonds (rick_simonds@…>)
No help on the transmission (though I’d start by lubricating
everything in sight) but the other two I have some experience with.
The rudder post has packing material in it just like the prop shaft
stuffing box. Is it time to replace that? There are several earlier
posts about that process.
Your starting problem was absolutely nothing when you pushed the
button, as in dead silence, but an instant strong spin when you
bypassed the cockpit wiring, right? If so it can’t be the starter and
has to be the wiring. It’s easy to test for continuity through the
key switch and the button. If that checks out I’d bet the problem is
the horrible “gang” connectors between the engine and the start
button. All of the engine wiring comes off the various engine devices
and gets grouped into 2 multi-connection plugs at the back of the
engine, under the sink. These 2 gang connectors make about 8-10 wire
connections each. There is a set at the back of the engine, a set
behind the panel and at least 2 sets along the way, probably under
the aft bunk. They vibrate loose and corrode, especially the set
right at the engine. They are really, really lousy quality. No, wait,
…let me rephrase that: They are a total POS.
Spray them with contact cleaner and jiggle and push them together
until they work, but I always had inexplicable bouts of dead silence
until I replaced the start button wire with a length of heavy gauge,
continuous, marine quality wire (pre-tinned with soldered and
adhesive heat shrink terminals) with no joints and NO GANG CONNECTORS
between the starter and the button. My engine now cranks every time I
push the button .
Posted by Paul McFadden (pwhitmac@…>)
As far as the shifting problem is concerned, what type of shifter do you have, and what is it’s location (mine is a Morse, located on module beside the pedestal. Single lever)? At any rate, I’d take apart the shifting mechanism, and insure that something hadn’t come adrift, thereby jamming the system. I assume that your “human shifter” below had no problem actuating the transmission, right?
As someone mentioned, your rudder has packing material similar to a shaft. It also has a collar with bolts to “squeeze down” the packing material so it doesn’t leak. To adjust this collar, use a light duty torque wrench, and tighten them all down to the same torque to just where it (the collar)stops leaking. DO NOT over-tighten!! If you can’t get it to stop leaking, then you are probably going to have to bit the bullet and replace the packing.
I have had periodic/intermittent problems with my starter switch. I eventually bypassed the wire loom with one run of Anchor tinned wire, and replaced the push-to-start switch. I’d love to report that it solved my problem, it didn’t. I do find, however that if I push it a couple of times it ALWAYS catches. I suspect a weak solenoid, but I haven’t gotten around to testing it, as it ALWAYS catches, right…Yeah right. By the way, Starter Switches are readily available thru any Yanmar Dealer. They tell me that they sell lots of them!
Good luck!..PWMneilbob99 <neilbob99@…> wrote:
This last Saturday on my way out to a club race (in a Freedom 32), as I backed out of the slip the gear shifter would not go back to neutral…I killed the engine and drifted into an empty slip (thankfully at this point it was a ‘quiet’ day. So, as I was crawling around in the bottom of the boat looking for linkage clues, I discovered my rudder post housing (?) was full of salt water and sort of slowly dripping…acting like it had been doing this for a long time. We (being the intrepid club racers we are) finally figured out how to disconnect the linkage from the tranny and had a crew member acting as “Scotty the engineer” as I chanted ‘2 bells forward’, ‘1 bell neutral’ and ‘3 bells reverse’ (it’s actually very good docking and manuevering skills building, and off we went to the race and resulting raft up.
After several hours of good natured partying (it was the “rum run” no less) as we decided to depart, the ignition refused to ignite; full batteries and all, no spunk. SO, it is often a good thing to have a reformed juvenile delinquent on board to jump the starter and we made our way home.My questions are:1) Linkage- any clues how this is connected-absent an obvious connection in the lazzarette I am guessing its in the binnacle somewhere-anyone have experience with this-am I just looking at a lot of WD-40? This has worked very smoothyly and this was a big surprise!2) RUdder post water-anyone know where/how this is coming from and how to remediate?3) Ignition, I hope this is just too much salt water and wear and tear but any clues helpful. Is it still possible to get a replacement switch? Are they Yanmar specific or can any one do?Thanks in advance,Neil in Seattle
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Posted by john reed (john-reed@…>)
This has an all-too-familiar sound. Our F32 displays the ‘starts on the second push’ syndrome. In our case, there is a load on the starter so it looks like the engine compression is more than the starter can handle. I had the starter rebuilt by a reputable shop and it still happens. I’ve taken to opening the compression valve on one of the cylinders. It seems to do the trick. If there is no load on the starter, then, like everyone else has said, you’ve got an electrical switch problem.
The original equipment Teledyne-Morse shifter on ours has gotten to the point where I was having trouble going from reverse to forward. It would pop out the neutral button when it passed through the center. Given that we were on the Piscattua river with one NASTY current. And add to that a fairway that was only 1.5 of our boat lengths across. And add the rocks and bridge pillars that bound the fairway and you can see why I’m going to a Edson control on the pedestal. Our '85 seems to have outlasted the control.
John & Karen Reed
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-----Original Message-----From: neilbob99 [mailto:neilbob99@…]Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:36 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Any day on the water in a Freedom is great but…This last Saturday on my way out to a club race (in a Freedom 32), as I backed out of the slip the gear shifter would not go back to neutral…I killed the engine and drifted into an empty slip (thankfully at this point it was a ‘quiet’ day. So, as I was crawling around in the bottom of the boat looking for linkage clues, I discovered my rudder post housing (?) was full of salt water and sort of slowly dripping…acting like it had been doing this for a long time. We (being the intrepid club racers we are) finally figured out how to disconnect the linkage from the tranny and had a crew member acting as “Scotty the engineer” as I chanted ‘2 bells forward’, ‘1 bell neutral’ and ‘3 bells reverse’ (it’s actually very good docking and manuevering skills building, and off we went to the race and resulting raft up. After several hours of good natured partying (it was the “rum run” no less) as we decided to depart, the ignition refused to ignite; full batteries and all, no spunk. SO, it is often a good thing to have a reformed juvenile delinquent on board to jump the starter and we made our way home.My questions are:1) Linkage- any clues how this is connected-absent an obvious connection in the lazzarette I am guessing its in the binnacle somewhere-anyone have experience with this-am I just looking at a lot of WD-40? This has worked very smoothyly and this was a big surprise!2) RUdder post water-anyone know where/how this is coming from and how to remediate?3) Ignition, I hope this is just too much salt water and wear and tear but any clues helpful. Is it still possible to get a replacement switch? Are they Yanmar specific or can any one do?Thanks in advance,Neil in Seattle