Are Your Holes in Core Epoxied?

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Posted by dbwnycl (dbwnycl@…>)

As your boat ages, what discoveries have you made about Freedom/TPI’s
practices regarding epoxying holes in cored areas? For example, are
the holes in the cockpit sole for your pedestal and binacle expoxied?
If not, have you experienced wet core/delamination in that or any
other area that you’ve had to repair?

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Posted by dbwnycl (dbwnycl@…>)

As your boat ages, what discoveries have you made about Freedom/TPI’s
practices regarding epoxying holes in cored areas? For example, are
the holes in the cockpit sole for your pedestal and binacle expoxied?
If not, have you experienced wet core/delamination in that or any
other area that you’ve had to repair?

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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)

I replaced the diesel fuel deck fill on my F30 and found that Freedom had simply applied some caulking around the screw holes (yes, screws, not bolts and nuts). There was a little water damage in the core, so I scooped out the core all around the hole and filled with epoxy. The hinges on the cockpit lockers are simply screwed through the cored locker lid. I had to replace about a square foot of soggy core on the larger locker lid.

The pad on which the winches and rope clutches are mounted is solid fiberglass. I replaced one of the deck organizers and found that, while the core was not removed and replaced with epoxy, there was no evidence of any water intrusion (possibly because of the teak block, which provides plenty of area for caulking).

I understand that all holes below the water line are through solid glass.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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Posted by macks011 (macks04@…>)

Coring is the exception and not the norm on the early F36’s. I have
removed, inspected and repaired almost every deck and hull
penetration on my boat. The stanchion, deck fills and rail mounts
around the perimeter of the deck are through a 4" band of solid
glass that comprises the hull/deck joint. The depth sounder is
through solid glass which comprises the seam where the 2 halfs of
the hull were joined. All penetrations in the transom are through
solid glass as the transom is not cored.

Everywhere else, I have looked is balsa cored with backing plates.
Factory installed penetrations have no epoxy core, including High
stress points such as traveler and mainsheet attachment. Fittings
are secured with 5200 and backing plates. The only damage I have
found to date is 2 rotten core areas at hand rail penetrations and 8
sq ft of rotten core around the companionway hatch. I think that
TPI / Freedom relied on the thickness of the fiberglass skins to
resist the crushing loads. For the most part, it worked, but I have
epoxy cored everything regardless.







-– In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@y…> wrote:

I replaced the diesel fuel deck fill on my F30 and found that
Freedom
had simply applied some caulking around the screw holes (yes,
screws,
not bolts and nuts). There was a little water damage in the core,
so I
scooped out the core all around the hole and filled with epoxy.
The
hinges on the cockpit lockers are simply screwed through the cored
locker lid. I had to replace about a square foot of soggy core on
the
larger locker lid.

The pad on which the winches and rope clutches are mounted is solid
fiberglass. I replaced one of the deck organizers and found that,
while
the core was not removed and replaced with epoxy, there was no
evidence
of any water intrusion (possibly because of the teak block, which
provides plenty of area for caulking).

I understand that all holes below the water line are through solid
glass.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Are Your Holes in Core Epoxied?

As your boat ages, what discoveries have you made about
Freedom/TPI’s
practices regarding epoxying holes in cored areas? For example,
are
the holes in the cockpit sole for your pedestal and binacle
expoxied?
If not, have you experienced wet core/delamination in that or any
other area that you’ve had to repair?

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Posted by paulsebra (paulsebra@…>)

Good day,

I am rehabbing a 1981 F33 and have found mixed results in TPI’s
diligence … the thru-hulls were okay, but when I moved the fuel
fill from the cockpit floor to the coaming, I had to take out the top
layer of glass and core for an area better then a square foot, because
the cutout for the fuel fill had nothing done to the core around the
hole … as I am a new owner, I don’t know if the fuel fill in the
floor was standard or something the PO cooked up. Any way with the
new fill in the coaming aft of the winch, things are hunky-dory.

Paul