Posted by Helmut Flintrop (dr.flintrop@…>)
Hallo Jack,
I was in contact with John Oakly by telephone about half a year ago after searching the web. I should have his address on the boat. After a new search I found:
J. Oakly(01489) 787378 12, Beech RdHedge End , SouthamptonSO30 4FY
I am not sure if it is the right number. His wife’s name is Lauren and as far as I remember they were registered under her name. For me it is to late now for a test call. I will check on the boat during the weekend and inform you Monday. John is retired does no longer sail and told me with a laugh that he now only has a small motor boat.
Regards
Helmut
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----Von: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von Jack GeorgeGesendet: Donnerstag, 8. September 2005 18:27An: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comBetreff: Re: AW: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F33 CK - change of rig
Good Morning Dr Fintrop, I also purchased a freedom 35 CHAMELA in england in 1982. I bought it thru John Oakley, and sailed with him as he set up the rig. Ive lost touch with Mr Oakley and was wondering if you might know how to reach him.If so please let me know. Thank you. Jack on CHAMELAHelmut Flintrop <dr.flintrop@…> wrote:
Hi,
I am the new owner of the FR44 IVORY GOOSE Mike Capel mentioned he sailed last week end. Before purchasing the FR44 I sailed the FR35CB ”FLOODTIDE” for 24 years which I ordered in 1981at the London boat show. The included photos of the FR35CB “Samiel” I made a few days after first rigging the through battened sails without using a track. Trim could be better and today after some years experience they are optimal trimmed and ”Samiel” is extremely fast.
Helmut Flintrop
-----UrsprÝngliche Nachricht-----Von: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von Ian MacphersonGesendet: Mittwoch, 31. August 2005 11:09An: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comBetreff: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F33 CK - change of rigHello MichelCan you please tell me how to find the pics of Samielon this board?I’m about to convert my F40CC to a Wylie system and amvery interested in this whole subject.RegardsIan Macpherson— Michel Capel <mike_c_f35ck@…> wrote:---------------------------------Philip,I like your plan! I did not try it myself because Isold my F33/35 CK beforehand, but if you indeed follow the ideas ofTom Wylie (of Wyliecat) you must be able to build a high performancerig. If you select your track and cars carefully, you must be ableto swing out your sails far enough, i.e. forward of the mast. Makesure you let the sails build by someone with experience withunstayed rigs; the mast bend is different and therefore the roach isaffected in a different way when the wind pipes up. Let us know whatyou decide, I’m sure there are many more catketch ownersinterested in rig improvements beyond the ordinary conversion toconventional booms. Last weekend I had a sail on a F44 with conventionalbooms and I was amazed by the forces exerted on the boom kicker. Usingthe wishbones, these forces are different and I wouldthink far less than with booms. During this same sailing event(European Freedom Meeting in the Netherlands) there was an F33/35 CKwith a revolutionary rig (see pics of S/Y Samiel on thisboard) that almost kept up with two F44’s ! Good luck.Mike— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “spjwpja”<spjwpja@y…> wrote:> I have the old wrap around sails on my cat ketch.The main problem is > ease of handling and stowing. Also relatively poorperformance. To > solve these problems with the rig I plan to keep thewishbone booms, > add track and fully battened sails with large roach.I would rig the > wishbone like on a tanton or wyliecat; this could beachieved by > simply turning the most 180 degress and using theboom lift > attachments (thanks Mike Capel for the idea). Thelarge roach should > add lift with reduced drag = more power.> > I can see very few problems with this plan althoughperhaps I will not > be able to swing the boom so far forward of the beam- but this seems > a minor problems since they should still be possibleto swing to over > 90 degress.> > Is there any problem with this plan and has anyoneelse tried this?> > Philip --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group “freedomyachts2003” on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:freedomyachts2003-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!Terms of Service. ---------------------------------
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Posted by Jack George (chamela7@…>)
Thank you Dr Flintrop. I will write him a letter. thanks JackHelmut Flintrop <dr.flintrop@…> wrote:
Hallo Jack,
I was in contact with John Oakly by telephone about half a year ago after searching the web. I should have his address on the boat. After a new search I found:
J. Oakly(01489) 787378 12, Beech RdHedge End , SouthamptonSO30 4FY
I am not sure if it is the right number. His wife’s name is Lauren and as far as I remember they were registered under her name. For me it is to late now for a test call. I will check on the boat during the weekend and inform you Monday. John is retired does no longer sail and told me with a laugh that he now only has a small motor boat.
Regards
Helmut
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----Von: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von Jack GeorgeGesendet: Donnerstag, 8. September 2005 18:27An: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comBetreff: Re: AW: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F33 CK - change of rig
Good Morning Dr Fintrop, I also purchased a freedom 35 CHAMELA in england in 1982. I bought it thru John Oakley, and sailed with him as he set up the rig. Ive lost touch with Mr Oakley and was wondering if you might know how to reach him.If so please let me know. Thank you. Jack on CHAMELAHelmut Flintrop <dr.flintrop@…> wrote:
Hi,
I am the new owner of the FR44 IVORY GOOSE Mike Capel mentioned he sailed last week end. Before purchasing the FR44 I sailed the FR35CB ”FLOODTIDE” for 24 years which I ordered in 1981at the London boat show. The included photos of the FR35CB “Samiel” I made a few days after first rigging the through battened sails without using a track. Trim could be better and today after some years experience they are optimal trimmed and ”Samiel” is extremely fast.
Helmut Flintrop
-----UrsprÝngliche Nachricht-----Von: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von Ian MacphersonGesendet: Mittwoch, 31. August 2005 11:09An: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comBetreff: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F33 CK - change of rigHello MichelCan you please tell me how to find the pics of Samielon this board?I’m about to convert my F40CC to a Wylie system and amvery interested in this whole subject.RegardsIan Macpherson— Michel Capel <mike_c_f35ck@…> wrote:---------------------------------Philip,I like your plan! I did not try it myself because Isold my F33/35 CK beforehand, but if you
indeed follow the ideas ofTom Wylie (of Wyliecat) you must be able to build a high performancerig. If you select your track and cars carefully, you must be ableto swing out your sails far enough, i.e. forward of the mast. Makesure you let the sails build by someone with experience withunstayed rigs; the mast bend is different and therefore the roach isaffected in a different way when the wind pipes up. Let us know whatyou decide, I’m sure there are many more catketch ownersinterested in rig improvements beyond the ordinary conversion toconventional booms. Last weekend I had a sail on a F44 with conventionalbooms and I was amazed by the forces exerted on the boom kicker. Usingthe wishbones, these forces are different and I wouldthink far less than with booms. During this same sailing event(European Freedom Meeting in the Netherlands) there was an F33/35 CKwith a
revolutionary rig (see pics of S/Y Samiel on thisboard) that almost kept up with two F44’s ! Good luck.Mike— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “spjwpja”<spjwpja@y…> wrote:> I have the old wrap around sails on my cat ketch.The main problem is > ease of handling and stowing. Also relatively poorperformance. To > solve these problems with the rig I plan to keep thewishbone booms, > add track and fully battened sails with large roach.I would rig the > wishbone like on a tanton or wyliecat; this could beachieved by > simply turning the most 180 degress and using theboom lift > attachments (thanks Mike Capel for the idea). Thelarge roach should > add lift with reduced drag = more power.> > I can see very few problems with this plan althoughperhaps I will not > be able to swing the boom so far forward of
the beam- but this seems > a minor problems since they should still be possibleto swing to over > 90 degress.> > Is there any problem with this plan and has anyoneelse tried this?> > Philip --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group “freedomyachts2003” on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:freedomyachts2003-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!Terms of Service. ---------------------------------
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