Posted by svfantasy@… (svfantasy@…)
Thanks Herman, that pretty much explains all the confusion.
Jay
----- Original Message -----From: “Herman Schiller” To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Beautiful weekend on Boston HarborDate: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:27:03 -0000
After reading the whole discussion about Freedom 40 centerboards, I referred to my collection of (near) ancient F-40 brochures. There may be an explanation for the contrasting opinions expressed. One of the brochures talks of 6000 pound internal lead ballast and a plastic centerboard, and another talks of 4000 pound internal ballast and a 2000 pound cast iron and epoxy centerboard. There are no indications of the age of these brochure items; no copyright notice. Possibly there were two flavors of this boat and centerboard, which would explain why some of you are having trouble grunting the things upward.Herm S.V. Impulse— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, svfantasy@… wrote:>> Lance/Norm,> > I own an F-40 CK 1981, hull # 60, My centerboard winch is an Barient> 27-48 (self-tailing) mounted just port of the companionway hatch. I have> 1/2 " double braid line running from the winch to the thimble on the> centerboard. I had the yard replace it when I purchased the boat two> years ago. It just takes a few turns to raise the board, and its fairly> easy. Just to clarify, the board on the F-40 is weighted significantly.> I’ve been trying to determine the weight of the board,however, I’ve not> been successful in finding this info. While hauled out, it is obvious the> board weighs in excess of 500 lbs, and the construction is cast iron with> glass over, at least that is what I was told.> > Jay> > “Fantasy” F40 CK> > San Francisco Bay> > ----- Original Message -----> From: “Norm Friberg”> To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Beautiful weekend on Boston> Harbor> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:12:57 -0400> > Lance, Yes, I’m interested in seeing your system, and also how your> dodger is set up. Many Thanks,Norm> > ----- Original Message ----- From: lance_ryleyTo:> freedomyachts2003@…: Wednesday, September 13,> 2006 4:36 PMSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Beautiful weekend on> Boston Harbor> > Norm,> if you’re interested, I’ll take some pictures of my arrangement,> which seems entirely different from yours, also from a Freedom 40> CK.> > In the case of Bright Star, the centerboard winch is mounted next> to> the companionway where you can get at it from the cockpit. Our> pennant is cord all the way to the board, but is spliced into> nylon> webbing that actually wraps around the winch. we use a> short-handled> winch handle (so it doesn’t smack the dodger plexiglass), and I> can’t say I’ve ever had a problem getting the centerboard up.> > I may be wrong, but I believe that the centerboard in the 40 is> pretty much neutral buoyancy, as opposed to the 33/35, where they> put some ballast in its construction.> > If you’d like to see the layout, let me know and I’ll send some> pictures along.> > Lance> Bright Star> > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Norm Friberg> <nfriberg@> wrote:> >> > Michel,> >> > The knob attachment might be a good idea. I am also looking> into> the idea of the right-angle electric drill with the winch bit. I> have to take some measurements to see if it will fit. Maybe the> thinner line would also help. The position of the winch is> forward> of the mizzen, but it is up higher so you can be sitting of> nealing> on the forward cockpit seat (bridge deck?). Not so uncomfortable.> >> > The extra block purchase is also a good idea if I can work out> how> to do it. Thanks for the ideas.> >> > Norm> >> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: michel.capel> > To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:31 AM> > Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Beautiful weekend on Boston> Harbor> >> >> > Norm,> > If I understand you, your CB winch is forward of the mizzen??> so> you> > have to crouch on deck to manhandle it? Not an easy task, with> this> > funky T-ford steering wheel! Perhaps if you mount a handhold on> the> > wheel, like they have on tractors, that would help a bit> swirling> > the wheel around.> >> > I replaced the pennant on my F33/35 a few years ago with 5 mm> > Dyneema line in stead of the line+wire combination. It made the> > board a lot easier to lift.> >> > A few years before that, I put in some extra blocks to increase> the> > purchase on the CB. I had to do 80 turns to fully lift the 450> kg> > of the CB. Still a bear, but good for the biceps. It also> convinced> > me to finally quit smoking.> >> > Michel> >> > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Norm Friberg> > <nfriberg@> wrote:> > >> > > Lance,> > >> > > It’s an old bronze winch mounted horizontally. I think you> would> > call it reversable. Clockwise is always up, counterclockwise is> > always down, and there is a ratcheting brake mechanism. Since> the> > winch is only a few inches forward of the mizzen mast, a normal> > winch handle won’t fit. There is a circular handle that> actually> > looks like the steering wheel off an old car, but isn’t. Only> about> > 25 turns gets the board from full up to full down. A longer> lever> > arm (winch handle) would be nice but there is little room. The> > original pendant (pennant?) had a wire section spliced into the> > winch end and was attached to the winch drum by a set screw. As> I> > didn’t have a spliced-wire option at the time, my new pennant> is> > held onto the drum by friction- ie. it’s wrapped around itself.> I> > added five feet of line to make sure it wouldn’t slip.> > >> > > The new pennant (pendant?) hasn’t made lifting the board any> > easier, which leads me to wonder about the condition of the> > centerboard hinge. I have not yet figured out how to access> this> > for checking. During my amateur diving under the boat, the> block> > that the pennant (I give up) runs through seemed to be in good> shape> > and turned easliy.> > >> > > Reading Garry Hoyt’s book about how sailing should be easier> leads> > me to wonder what he was smoking when he came up with this> > arrangement. Nevertheless, it’s only a minor inconvenience. I> love> > my boat anyway.> > >> > > Best regards,> > > Norm Friberg> > >> > > ----- Original Message -----> > > From: lance_ryley> > > To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:58 AM> > > Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Beautiful weekend on Boston> > Harbor> > >> > >> > > Norm,> > > has it gotten easier to raise the centerboard since you> replaced> > the> > > pennant? Also, what kind of lifting arrangement do you have?> > Bright> > > Star has a reversible winch (I think it was a halyard winch> from> > an> > > Atlantic at one time) and I’ve never had a problem lifting> the> > > board, even when under sail.> > >> > > Just curious to hear what may be happening with yours…> > >> > > Lance> > >> > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Norm Friberg> > > <nfriberg@> wrote:> > > >> > > > This discussion is very interesting, guys. First, let me> say> > that> > > I had a delightful day holding my breath underwater in an> oily> > > marina replacing the center board pendant on my F40CK a few> > weeks> > > ago. What fun! At least the section of the hull that my body> > > rubbed against is now clean.> > > >> > > > Regarding the use of the centerboard (is it one word or> two?)> > I> > > have found in the first few months of sailing her that the> board> > > does affect heeling angle and maneuvering ability; she heels> > less> > > and turns more readily with the board down. However, having> said> > > that, don’t try motoring into the marina at low tide with the> > board> > > still down. My poor little diesel was cranking its> 28-year-old> > > heart out, but the brakes were ON. And what a bear cranking> that> > > board back up!> > > >> > > > I have also been relieved, and even favorably impressed, at> > the> > > pointing ability of the boat, after hearing, on this news> board> > and> > > elsewhere, that Freedom Cat-Ketches don’t sail to windward.> My> > > experience on Long Island Sound this past summer is that,> given> > at> > > least 10 knots of wind, she will tack in about 100 degrees,> that> > is,> > > 50 degrees to either side of the wind. While not exactly> > Americas> > > Cup standards, perfectly adequate for my needs. She sure> takes> > her> > > time coming about, however. A real “gentleman’s tack” as my> > friend> > > put it.> > > >> > > > Regards to all,> > > > Norm Friberg> > > > SV Freyja> > > >> > >> >>