Posted by swardfullsail (swardfullsail@…>)
Has anyone ever used a boomkicker? I would like a topping lift or
something to hold the boom up higher. I have ruined my bimini top
from the boom resting on it. I have adjusted the lazyjacks however,
that doesn’t seem to correct the problem. Also when the lazyjacks are
adjusted they don’t fit properly in the mainsail cover. Always
something!!
Sward
Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)
Your boom and full batten sail might be a bit heavy for a boomkicker.
I’d talk to them in detail before ordering one. Your best be might be
a Garhauer rigid vang with a custom fabbed collar for the mast also
supplied by Garhauer. More expensive than a Boomkicker but a better
all around solution.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “swardfullsail”
<swardfullsail@…> wrote:
Has anyone ever used a boomkicker? I would like a topping lift or
something to hold the boom up higher. I have ruined my bimini top
from the boom resting on it. I have adjusted the lazyjacks
however,
that doesn’t seem to correct the problem. Also when the lazyjacks
are
adjusted they don’t fit properly in the mainsail cover. Always
something!!Sward
Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)
the Garhauer rigid vangs are less expensive than similar offerings from
Harken or Schaeffer and got an excellent write-up in Practical Sailor a
couple months ago. Also, the Garhauer folks are really great to work
with.
Lance
… More expensive than a Boomkicker but a better
all around solution.
Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)
I use boomkickers on both my main and
mizzen on my F-33. The main has a 16 foot boom. Ted at boomkicker sold me a
larger model for the main then they advertise.
Alan
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From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave_Benjamin
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006
12:44 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re:
Boomkicker - Freedom32
Your boom and full batten sail might be a bit heavy
for a boomkicker.
I’d talk to them in detail before ordering one. Your best be might be
a Garhauer rigid vang with a custom fabbed collar for the mast also
supplied by Garhauer. More expensive than a Boomkicker but a better
all around solution.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“swardfullsail”
<swardfullsail@…> wrote:
Has anyone ever used a boomkicker? I would like a topping lift or
something to hold the boom up higher. I have ruined my bimini top
from the boom resting on it. I have adjusted the lazyjacks
however,
that doesn’t seem to correct the problem. Also when the lazyjacks
are
adjusted they don’t fit properly in the mainsail cover. Always
something!!Sward
\
Posted by andre laviolette (andrelaviolette@…>)
Sward, My boom with my new sail now clears my bimini by nearly foot close hauled. What I am suggesting is that your sail’s leach may be streched out as was mine. A rigid vang would not fix this. By all means a rigid vang is a big plus. At the dock and in lowering the sail no need of a topping lift. I am very happy with my Garhauer setup. You need a custom mast collar for a carbon mast. Garhauer has these. A rigid vang can be an asset in light air to windward in some conditions but it is generaly only more or less tight off the wind depending on wind strength. Andre, " Scaramanga ".swardfullsail <swardfullsail@…> wrote: Has anyone ever used a boomkicker? I would like a topping lift or something to hold the boom up higher. I have ruined my bimini top from the boom resting on it. I have adjusted the lazyjacks however, that doesn’t seem to correct the problem. Also when the lazyjacks are adjusted they don’t fit properly in the mainsail cover. Always something!!Sward
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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)
I’ve been very happy with my
boomkickers. They made me custom brackets that bolt through the mast rings
using the mast ring bolts (about $100 each).
One nice thing about the boomkickers is
they clear the lifelines and my dodger easily (don’t know if that’s
any issue with you).
Between the boomkickers and my mackpacks my
rig is much easier to deal with on both main and mizzen. I don’t use
topping lifts.
I’ve seen some postings of others
that weren’t happy with them bouncing in a seaway but I haven’t
experienced that at all. Because they flex they’re very forgiving and
easy on the attachment points unlike a rigid vang.
If you get them and if your sails have
reef points are high on the leech then the luff (like most sails) then I’d
recommend they’re sliding track option so you have more range of motion
before the rods pop out (its safety feature).
Alan Kusinitz F-33 Hull
#51 1982
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From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of swardfullsail
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006
12:27 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003]
Boomkicker - Freedom32
Has anyone ever used a boomkicker? I would like a
topping lift or
something to hold the boom up higher. I have ruined my bimini top
from the boom resting on it. I have adjusted the lazyjacks however,
that doesn’t seem to correct the problem. Also when the lazyjacks are
adjusted they don’t fit properly in the mainsail cover. Always
something!!
Sward
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Posted by jerry_magic1 (jerry_magic1@…>)
— “Dave_Benjamin” wrote:
Your boom and full batten sail might be a bit heavy for a
boomkicker. (snip)
Not so. The Boomkicker on my Cat Sloop F36 supports the weight of the
sail, boom and full battens just fine and easily keeps the rig off the
dodger when dousing the sail.
However, I have not eliminated the topping lift, which was the prime
motivation for the Boomkicker in the first place. If I were to do it
again I would surely go with a hard vang. The upward pull of the
topping lift is still needed in a bumpy fairway to keep the boom and
sail gear from thrashing. All the other lines to the boom: main
sheet, soft vang and preventers have a downward or mostly downward
pull and the lazy jacks are dressed forward when headed out of the
harbor to facilitate raising the sail when the time comes.
Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)
I have a very extreme roach and long
battens and have little trouble with them snagging the lazy jacks. That may be
the difference in why they work so well to me. I generally just adjust the lazy
jacks tension occasionally based on conditions and point of sail. I’m
only concerned about chafe on long sails and generally its not a problem then. Of
course I always have the option in an extreme case of using my spare halyard as
a topping lift.
Alan F-33
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Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006
3:13 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re:
Boomkicker - Freedom32
— “Dave_Benjamin” wrote:
Your boom and full batten sail might be a bit heavy for a
boomkicker. (snip)
Not so. The Boomkicker on my Cat Sloop F36 supports the weight of the
sail, boom and full battens just fine and easily keeps the rig off the
dodger when dousing the sail.
However, I have not eliminated the topping lift, which was the prime
motivation for the Boomkicker in the first place. If I were to do it
again I would surely go with a hard vang. The upward pull of the
topping lift is still needed in a bumpy fairway to keep the boom and
sail gear from thrashing. All the other lines to the boom: main
sheet, soft vang and preventers have a downward or mostly downward
pull and the lazy jacks are dressed forward when headed out of the
harbor to facilitate raising the sail when the time comes.
\
Posted by fshellab (nshellab2@…>)
I use a boomkicker on my Freedom28 sloop. It works well to hold the
boom up off the deck - I don’t often have the bimini deployed so
that’s not a problem.
You have to balance the boom vang pulling down with the boomkicker
pushing up. One time the boomkicker bounced out of its fittings
because the vang was loose - it took a small amount of horsing around
to get it back in place while under sail.
Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)
By using their track option there is
enough length for it to slide that the rods don’t pop out.
Alan
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4:00 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re:
Boomkicker - Freedom32
I use a boomkicker on my Freedom28 sloop. It works
well to hold the
boom up off the deck - I don’t often have the bimini deployed so
that’s not a problem.
You have to balance the boom vang pulling down with the boomkicker
pushing up. One time the boomkicker bounced out of its fittings
because the vang was loose - it took a small amount of horsing around
to get it back in place while under sail.
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Posted by Herman Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, andre laviolette
<andrelaviolette@…> wrote:
Sward,
My boom with my new sail now clears my bimini by nearly foot
close hauled. What I am suggesting is that your sail’s leach may be
streched out as was mine. A rigid vang would not fix this.
By all means a rigid vang is a big plus. At the dock and in
lowering the sail no need of a topping lift. I am very happy with
my Garhauer setup. You need a custom mast collar for a carbon
mast. Garhauer has these. A rigid vang can be an asset in light
air to windward in some conditions but it is generaly only more or
less tight off the wind depending on wind strength.Andre, " Scaramanga ".
swardfullsail <swardfullsail@…> wrote:
Has anyone ever used a boomkicker? I would like a
topping lift or
something to hold the boom up higher. I have ruined my bimini top
from the boom resting on it. I have adjusted the lazyjacks
however,
that doesn’t seem to correct the problem. Also when the lazyjacks
are
adjusted they don’t fit properly in the mainsail cover. Always
something!!Sward
Has anyone tried shortening the Bimini top’s support tubes? I sawed
4" from the bottom of the two long support tubes to have the boom
clear the bimini top. I can’t believe that my leech stretched more
than 4". Previous owner’s solution was to always use the flattening
reef point.
Herm SV Impulse ( Mull 28)
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Posted by Paul McFadden (pwhitmac@…>)
Hey Sward, When I purchased my H32 it was fitted with a BoomKicker. After I used it a few times I have to say (with all due respect to present owners) that I couldn’t get it off the boat quick enough. I installed a Garhauer rigid vang and have never looked back. It’s a great piece of gear @ a great price. Couldn’t be happier. I highly recommend it! PWMPs; I’m not affiliated with Garhauer. If you want more info and pic’s, email me direct. swardfullsail <swardfullsail@…> wrote: Has anyone ever used a boomkicker? I would like a topping lift or something to hold the boom up higher. I have ruined my bimini top from the boom resting on it. I have adjusted the lazyjacks however, that doesn’t seem to correct the problem. Also when the lazyjacks are adjusted they don’t fit properly in the mainsail cover. Always something!!Sward
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Posted by Michael G Katz (mgkatz@…>)
I love the Garhauer on my Freedom 38.
MK
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From: lance_ryley
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 11:07 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Boomkicker - Freedom32
the Garhauer rigid vangs are less expensive than similar offerings from Harken or Schaeffer and got an excellent write-up in Practical Sailor a couple months ago. Also, the Garhauer folks are really great to work with.Lance>… More expensive than a Boomkicker but a better > all around solution.>
Posted by Kevin Taylor (kevin683@…>)
What was it that specifically bothered you about the boomkicker? BTW,
does boomkicker refer to the factory installed boom vang?
–Kevin
On 10/2/06, Paul McFadden <pwhitmac@…> wrote:
Hey Sward,
When I purchased my H32 it was fitted with a BoomKicker. After I used it a
few times I have to say (with all due respect to present owners) that I
couldn’t get it off the boat quick enough. I installed a Garhauer rigid vang
and have never looked back. It’s a great piece of gear @ a great price.
Couldn’t be happier. I highly recommend it!
PWM
Ps; I’m not affiliated with Garhauer. If you want more info and pic’s, email
me direct.swardfullsail <swardfullsail@…> wrote:
Has anyone ever used a boomkicker? I would like a topping lift or
something to hold the boom up higher. I have ruined my bimini top
from the boom resting on it. I have adjusted the lazyjacks however,
that doesn’t seem to correct the problem. Also when the lazyjacks are
adjusted they don’t fit properly in the mainsail cover. Always
something!!Sward
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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)
Info on boomkickers is at http://www.boomkicker.com/Bk_index.htm.
Note that it works in conjunction with a regular vang. They have a larger model
then they advertise and I’d imagine the combination of the angle its
mounted out, boom length and weight of boom and sail could affect its
performance. It works great on my F-33 and is a lot less force on the
attachment points then a rigid vang since it flexes.
But I think at least one poster indicated
on his boat he felt it let the boom bob up and down (down from the point the
vang was set) in rocky conditions. This does not happen in my installation.
Alan
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From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Taylor
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006
6:58 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Re:
[freedomyachts2003] Boomkicker - Freedom32
What was
it that specifically bothered you about the boomkicker? BTW,
does boomkicker refer to the factory installed boom vang?
–Kevin
On 10/2/06, Paul McFadden <pwhitmac@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Hey Sward,
When I purchased my H32 it was fitted with a BoomKicker. After I used it a
few times I have to say (with all due respect to present owners) that I
couldn’t get it off the boat quick enough. I installed a Garhauer rigid
vang
and have never looked back. It’s a great piece of gear @ a great price.
Couldn’t be happier. I highly recommend it!
PWM
Ps; I’m not affiliated with Garhauer. If you want more info and pic’s,
me direct.swardfullsail <swardfullsail@yahoo.com>
wrote:Has anyone ever used a boomkicker? I would like a topping lift or
something to hold the boom up higher. I have ruined my bimini top
from the boom resting on it. I have adjusted the lazyjacks however,
that doesn’t seem to correct the problem. Also when the lazyjacks are
adjusted they don’t fit properly in the mainsail cover. Always
something!!Sward
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Posted by Paul McFadden (pwhitmac@…>)
The Boom-kicker I had on my boat was the actual “Boom Kicker” brand, which consisted basically of two fiberglass rods attached at the base of the mast and on the underside of the boom at about a 45deg. angle. It really only functioned as a support for the boom/sail weight by the flexing of the fiberglass rods. The rod flex had to be maintained by either a standard rope vang, or (if you’re adventurous) the tension of the main sheet. Most of my problems came when reefing or when I needed to jibe, especially in light air. Mine would “pop” out of the fitting on the boom, crash down to the top of the cabin just when you need its support. Couple that with the fact that you are fighting the spring tendency with your rope vang constantly made me realize that this unit was not for me. As I said in my previous post, I replaced it with a Garhauer rigid vang and haven’t looked back. I’m sure there are probably people
out there that love their Boom-Kickers, but I’m not a member of that elite club. PWM PS, I don’t know who provided the OEM vang…PKevin Taylor <kevin683@…> wrote: What was it that specifically bothered you about the boomkicker? BTW,does boomkicker refer to the factory installed boom vang?–KevinOn 10/2/06, Paul McFadden <pwhitmac@yahoo.com>
wrote:>>>>>>> Hey Sward,> When I purchased my H32 it was fitted with a BoomKicker. After I used it a> few times I have to say (with all due respect to present owners) that I> couldn’t get it off the boat quick enough. I installed a Garhauer rigid vang> and have never looked back. It’s a great piece of gear @ a great price.> Couldn’t be happier. I highly recommend it!> PWM> Ps; I’m not affiliated with Garhauer. If you want more info and pic’s, email> me direct.>> swardfullsail <swardfullsail@yahoo.com> wrote:>>> Has anyone ever used a boomkicker? I would like a topping lift or> something to hold the boom up higher. I have ruined my bimini top> from the boom resting on it. I have adjusted the lazyjacks however,> that doesn’t seem to correct the problem. Also
when the lazyjacks are> adjusted they don’t fit properly in the mainsail cover. Always> something!!>> Sward>>>>> ________________________________> How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates.>>>>
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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)
Well I don’t know about elite club J but I am happy with my
boom kickers.
The positioning of the boom attachment is
critical. It allows a few inches of travel upwards and then the rods pop out. The
few inches can work on some boats depending on the angle and the reef point
angle. However they have an option for a short track you screw to the bottom
of the boom and then you have a very large range so the rods will not pop out. My
old sails were okay without the track but my new ones were not so I added the
track (it can be varying lengths I think used 12 or 18 inches.
It is true when you pull on the vang you
are countering the force of the rods but most rigid vangs have the same issue
with spring pressure. I do not find it a problem.
Alan
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From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul McFadden
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006
7:14 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Re:
[freedomyachts2003] Boomkicker - Freedom32
The Boom-kicker I had on my boat was the actual “Boom Kicker”
brand, which consisted basically of two fiberglass rods attached at the base of
the mast and on the underside of the boom at about a 45deg. angle. It really
only functioned as a support for the boom/sail weight by the flexing of the
fiberglass rods. The rod flex had to be maintained by either a standard rope
vang, or (if you’re adventurous) the tension of the main sheet.
\
Most of my problems came when reefing or when I needed to jibe,
especially in light air. Mine would “pop” out of the fitting on the
boom, crash down to the top of the cabin just when you need its support. Couple
that with the fact that you are fighting the spring tendency with your rope
vang constantly made me realize that this unit was not for me. As I said in my
previous post, I replaced it with a Garhauer rigid vang and haven’t looked
back.
\
I’m sure there are probably people out there that love their
Boom-Kickers, but I’m not a member of that elite club.
\
PWM
\
PS, I don’t know who provided the OEM vang…P
Kevin Taylor <kevin683@gmail.com>
wrote:
What was it that specifically bothered you about the boomkicker? BTW,
does boomkicker refer to the factory installed boom vang?
–Kevin
On 10/2/06, Paul McFadden <pwhitmac@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Hey Sward,
When I purchased my H32 it was fitted with a BoomKicker. After I used it a
few times I have to say (with all due respect to present owners) that I
couldn’t get it off the boat quick enough. I installed a Garhauer rigid
vang
and have never looked back. It’s a great piece of gear @ a great price.
Couldn’t be happier. I highly recommend it!
PWM
Ps; I’m not affiliated with Garhauer. If you want more info and pic’s,
me direct.swardfullsail <swardfullsail@yahoo.com>
wrote:Has anyone ever used a boomkicker? I would like a topping lift or
something to hold the boom up higher. I have ruined my bimini top
from the boom resting on it. I have adjusted the lazyjacks however,
that doesn’t seem to correct the problem. Also when the lazyjacks are
adjusted they don’t fit properly in the mainsail cover. Always
something!!Sward
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Posted by Paul McFadden (pwhitmac@…>)
Like I said Alan, I’m sure there are people out there, etc, etc… That being said, It’s a hell of a lot easier to counteract the spring pressure with a 20 to 1 purchase, as opposed to a 4 or 5 to 1. In addition, it takes the teeth out of vang adjustment in heavier conditions when you need it It’s all a matter of personal preference. PWMAlan Kusinitz <akusinitz@…> wrote: Well I don’t know about elite club J but I am happy with my boom kickers. The positioning of the boom attachment is critical. It allows a few inches of travel upwards and then the rods pop out. The few inches can work on some boats depending on the angle and the reef point angle. However they have an option for a short track you screw to the bottom of the boom and then you have a very large range so the rods will not pop out. My old sails were okay without the track but my new ones were not so I added the track (it can be
varying lengths I think used 12 or 18 inches. It is true when you pull on the vang you are countering the force of the rods but most rigid vangs have the same issue with spring pressure. I do not find it a problem. Alan ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above and may be subject to attorney client privilege if so marked. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. ********************************************************************** From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul McFaddenSent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:14 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Boomkicker - Freedom32 The Boom-kicker I had on my boat was the actual “Boom Kicker” brand, which consisted basically of two fiberglass rods attached at the base of the mast and on the underside of the boom at about a 45deg. angle. It really only functioned as a support for the boom/sail weight by the flexing of the fiberglass rods. The rod flex had to be maintained by either a standard rope vang, or (if you’re adventurous) the tension of the main sheet. Most of my problems came when reefing or when I needed to jibe, especially in light air. Mine would “pop” out of the fitting on the boom, crash down to the top of the cabin just when you need its support. Couple that with the fact that you are fighting the spring tendency with your rope vang constantly made me realize that this unit was not for me. As I said in my previous post, I replaced it with a Garhauer rigid vang and haven’t looked back. I’m sure there are probably people out there that love their
Boom-Kickers, but I’m not a member of that elite club. PWM PS, I don’t know who provided the OEM vang…PKevin Taylor <kevin683@gmail.com> wrote: What was it that specifically bothered you about the boomkicker? BTW,does boomkicker refer to the factory installed boom vang?–KevinOn 10/2/06, Paul McFadden <pwhitmac@yahoo.com> wrote:>>>>>>> Hey Sward,> When I purchased my H32 it was fitted with a BoomKicker. After I used it a> few times I have to say (with all due respect to present owners) that I> couldn’t get it off the boat quick enough. I installed a Garhauer rigid vang> and have never looked back. It’s a great piece of gear @ a great price.> Couldn’t be happier. I highly recommend it!> PWM> Ps; I’m not affiliated with Garhauer. If you want more info and pic’s, email> me direct.>> swardfullsail <swardfullsail@yahoo.com> wrote:>>> Has anyone
ever used a boomkicker? I would like a topping lift or> something to hold the boom up higher. I have ruined my bimini top> from the boom resting on it. I have adjusted the lazyjacks however,> that doesn’t seem to correct the problem. Also when the lazyjacks are> adjusted they don’t fit properly in the mainsail cover. Always> something!!>> Sward>>>>> ________________________________> How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates.>>>> How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates.
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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)
Yes I agree 20-1 is better of course. I just
wanted to mention the track which solves the rod popping out problem.
The things I like about the boomkicker are
a matter of preference (softer in terms of shock, clears my lifelines and dodger
easier).
Otherwise I would have gone with the garhauer.
Not trying to argue.
Alan
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3:32 PM
To:
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Subject: RE: Re:
[freedomyachts2003] Boomkicker - Freedom32
Like I said Alan, I’m sure there are people out there, etc,
etc… That being said, It’s a hell of a lot easier to counteract the
spring pressure with a 20 to 1 purchase, as opposed to a 4 or 5 to 1. In
addition, it takes the teeth out of vang adjustment in heavier conditions when
you need it
It’s all a matter of personal preference.
PWM
Alan Kusinitz <akusinitz@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Well I don’t know about elite club J but I am happy with my
boom kickers.
The positioning of the boom attachment is
critical. It allows a few inches of travel upwards and then the rods pop out.
The few inches can work on some boats depending on the angle and the reef point
angle. However they have an option for a short track you screw to the
bottom of the boom and then you have a very large range so the rods will not
pop out. My old sails were okay without the track but my new ones were not so I
added the track (it can be varying lengths I think used 12 or 18 inches.
It is true when you pull on the vang you
are countering the force of the rods but most rigid vangs have the same issue
with spring pressure. I do not find it a problem.
Alan
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Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006
7:14 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Re:
[freedomyachts2003] Boomkicker - Freedom32
The Boom-kicker I had on my boat was the actual “Boom Kicker”
brand, which consisted basically of two fiberglass rods attached at the base of
the mast and on the underside of the boom at about a 45deg. angle. It really
only functioned as a support for the boom/sail weight by the flexing of the
fiberglass rods. The rod flex had to be maintained by either a standard rope
vang, or (if you’re adventurous) the tension of the main sheet.
Most of my problems came when reefing or when I needed to jibe,
especially in light air. Mine would “pop” out of the fitting on the
boom, crash down to the top of the cabin just when you need its support. Couple
that with the fact that you are fighting the spring tendency with your rope
vang constantly made me realize that this unit was not for me. As I said in my
previous post, I replaced it with a Garhauer rigid vang and haven’t looked back.
I’m sure there are probably people out there that love their
Boom-Kickers, but I’m not a member of that elite club.
PWM
PS, I don’t know who provided the OEM vang…P
Kevin Taylor
<kevin683@gmail.com> wrote:
What was it that specifically bothered you about the boomkicker? BTW,
does boomkicker refer to the factory installed boom vang?
–Kevin
On 10/2/06, Paul McFadden <pwhitmac@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Hey Sward,
When I purchased my H32 it was fitted with a BoomKicker. After I used it a
few times I have to say (with all due respect to present owners) that I
couldn’t get it off the boat quick enough. I installed a Garhauer rigid
vang
and have never looked back. It’s a great piece of gear @ a great price.
Couldn’t be happier. I highly recommend it!
PWM
Ps; I’m not affiliated with Garhauer. If you want more info and pic’s,
me direct.swardfullsail <swardfullsail@yahoo.com>
wrote:Has anyone ever used a boomkicker? I would like a topping lift or
something to hold the boom up higher. I have ruined my bimini top
from the boom resting on it. I have adjusted the lazyjacks however,
that doesn’t seem to correct the problem. Also when the lazyjacks are
adjusted they don’t fit properly in the mainsail cover. Always
something!!Sward
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I have just purchased a new 28" wheel and after spending the past few days cruising to Ocracoke, NC on the outerbanks, south of Cape Hattaras, I am very happy with it. I have also ordered a Garhauer Boom Vang and a Kato Island Davit system. I have spoken to someone about altering the davit system to allow for solar panels to be installed on it He suggested that I buy that system and he would fabricate extra pieces for that purpose and it would be a good system and cheaper than to have him fabricate an entire new system.from scratch I have recently realized that I have lived aboard my Freedom32 for 5 years as of this Thanksgiving. I have been extremely happy with my decision and have never looked back or would want to go ashore any time soon. People are amazed at the space I have on my
boat when they come aboard. I love how she sails in all wind conditions. In December I may take her to the Bahama’s for the winter. I single hand and wouldn’t do it alone, but have several friends that are going and I may tag along Had hopped to have a significant other to go with but that hasn’t happened yet so I need to move on myself . I’ll let you know in a few weeks how the davit system and boom vang work out. Sward Paul McFadden <pwhitmac@…> wrote: Like I said Alan, I’m sure there are people out there, etc, etc… That being said, It’s a hell of a lot easier to counteract the spring pressure with a 20 to 1 purchase, as opposed to a 4 or 5 to 1. In addition, it takes the teeth out of vang adjustment in heavier conditions when you need it It’s all a matter of personal preference. PWMAlan Kusinitz <akusinitz@yahoo.com> wrote: Well I don’t know about elite club J but I am happy with my boom kickers. The positioning of the boom attachment is critical. It allows a few inches of travel upwards and then the rods pop out. The few inches can work on some boats depending on the angle and the reef point angle. However they have an option for a short track you screw to the bottom of the boom and then you have a very large range so the rods will not pop out. My old sails were okay without the track but my new ones were not so I added the track (it can be varying lengths I think used 12 or 18 inches. It is true when you pull on the vang you are countering the force of the rods but most rigid vangs have the same issue with spring pressure. I do not find it a problem. Alan ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above and may be subject to attorney client privilege if so marked. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. ********************************************************************** From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul McFaddenSent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:14 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: Re: [freedomyachts2003]
Boomkicker - Freedom32 The Boom-kicker I had on my boat was the actual “Boom Kicker” brand, which consisted basically of two fiberglass rods attached at the base of the mast and on the underside of the boom at about a 45deg. angle. It really only functioned as a support for the boom/sail weight by the flexing of the fiberglass rods. The rod flex had to be maintained by either a standard rope vang, or (if you’re adventurous) the tension of the main sheet. Most of my problems came when reefing or when I needed to jibe, especially in light air. Mine would “pop” out of the fitting on the boom, crash down to the top of the cabin just when you need its support. Couple that with the fact that you are fighting the spring tendency with your rope vang constantly made me realize that this unit was not for me. As I said in my previous post, I replaced it with a Garhauer rigid vang and haven’t looked back. I’m sure there are probably people out there that love their Boom-Kickers, but I’m not a member of that elite club. PWM PS, I don’t know who provided the OEM vang…PKevin Taylor <kevin683@gmail.com> wrote: What was it that specifically bothered you about the boomkicker? BTW,does boomkicker refer to the factory installed boom vang?–KevinOn 10/2/06, Paul McFadden
<pwhitmac@yahoo.com> wrote:>>>>>>> Hey Sward,> When I purchased my H32 it was fitted with a BoomKicker. After I used it a> few times I have to say (with all due respect to present owners) that I> couldn’t get it off the boat quick enough. I installed a Garhauer rigid vang> and have never looked back. It’s a great piece of gear @ a great price.> Couldn’t be happier. I highly recommend it!> PWM> Ps; I’m not affiliated with Garhauer. If you want more info and pic’s, email> me direct.>> swardfullsail <swardfullsail@yahoo.com> wrote:>>> Has anyone ever used a boomkicker? I would like a topping lift or> something to hold the boom up higher. I have ruined my bimini top> from the boom resting on it. I have adjusted the
lazyjacks however,> that doesn’t seem to correct the problem. Also when the lazyjacks are> adjusted they don’t fit properly in the mainsail cover. Always> something!!>> Sward>>>>> ________________________________> How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates.>>>> How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Do you Yahoo!?Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.