I sold my Nonsuch last fall and needed another boat to replace it. (Moved to a
lake). Everyone
said if I liked my Nonsuch, I’d love a Freedom. So I bought a Freedom 25, with a
wing mast. I
just trailered it home today. I expect I’ll be asking a lot of questions
regarding the rig, and a
few other items. It has a small Yanmar diesel, a folding prop, and I definitely
like the idea of a
staysail on a cat rig. I’m keeping the boat’s name (the previous owner named it
after his dog
which had passed on – so I didn’t want to take the name off the boat). Now,
come to think
of it, I do have a question. The boat has a little two-burner pressurized
alcohol stove, which I
don’t care for. Has anyone out there installed a non-pressurized alcohol stove
on their boat?
Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
The original equipment on the Freedom 25 was an Origo nonpressurized
two-burner. Your previous owner must have changed it. Herm
At 07:06 PM 11/30/2006, you wrote:
I sold my Nonsuch last fall and needed another boat to replace it.
(Moved to a lake). Everyone
said if I liked my Nonsuch, I’d love a Freedom. So I bought a
Freedom 25, with a wing mast. I
just trailered it home today. I expect I’ll be asking a lot of
questions regarding the rig, and a
few other items. It has a small Yanmar diesel, a folding prop, and I
definitely like the idea of a
staysail on a cat rig. I’m keeping the boat’s name (the previous
owner named it after his dog
which had passed on – so I didn’t want to take the name off the
boat). Now, come to think
of it, I do have a question. The boat has a little two-burner
pressurized alcohol stove, which I
don’t care for. Has anyone out there installed a non-pressurized
alcohol stove on their boat?
The original equipment on the Freedom 25 was an Origo nonpressurized
two-burner. Your previous owner must have changed it. Herm
bizarre. Most people replace the pressurized with the non-pressurized. that’s
why I
thought it was original equipment. Wonder what he was thinking.
At 07:06 PM 11/30/2006, you wrote:
I sold my Nonsuch last fall and needed another boat to replace it.
(Moved to a lake). Everyone
said if I liked my Nonsuch, I’d love a Freedom. So I bought a
Freedom 25, with a wing mast. I
just trailered it home today. I expect I’ll be asking a lot of
questions regarding the rig, and a
few other items. It has a small Yanmar diesel, a folding prop, and I
definitely like the idea of a
staysail on a cat rig. I’m keeping the boat’s name (the previous
owner named it after his dog
which had passed on – so I didn’t want to take the name off the
boat). Now, come to think
of it, I do have a question. The boat has a little two-burner
pressurized alcohol stove, which I
don’t care for. Has anyone out there installed a non-pressurized
alcohol stove on their boat?
Posted by andre laviolette (andrelaviolette@…>)
H & G, You will love the way your F 25 Wing sails. Particularly after the Nonsuch. I sail on a N 22 and a N 30 in the 1000 Islands. The 30 is ok the 22 is a dog ! The carbon mast is much stiffer and you will find that the boat flies even in light air. Do NOT forget to use the running backstays in stiff winds going downwind, or you will lose it ! I have an Origo two burner non pressurized stove on our CS 27. It’s OK. I have had a Shipmate pressurized stove on a pevious race boat. TWO fires ! Propane Sea Swing on Scaramanga. Propane cooks best. Attachment is our F25 at Boca Chita Key, Florida. Andre, " Scaramanga ". fgljff <fgljff@…> wrote: — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Herman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@…> wrote:>> The original equipment on the Freedom 25 was an Origo nonpressurized > two-burner. Your previous owner must have changed it. Hermbizarre. Most people replace the pressurized with the non-pressurized. that’s why I thought it was original equipment. Wonder what he was thinking.> > At 07:06 PM 11/30/2006, you wrote:> > >I sold my Nonsuch last fall and needed another boat to replace it. > >(Moved to a lake). Everyone>
said if I liked my Nonsuch, I’d love a Freedom. So I bought a > >Freedom 25, with a wing mast. I> >just trailered it home today. I expect I’ll be asking a lot of > >questions regarding the rig, and a> >few other items. It has a small Yanmar diesel, a folding prop, and I > >definitely like the idea of a> >staysail on a cat rig. I’m keeping the boat’s name (the previous > >owner named it after his dog> >which had passed on – so I didn’t want to take the name off the > >boat). Now, come to think> >of it, I do have a question. The boat has a little two-burner > >pressurized alcohol stove, which I> >don’t care for. Has anyone out there installed a non-pressurized > >alcohol stove on their boat?> >> >>
Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers.
Attachment: (image/jpeg) IMAG0011.JPG [not stored]
I have a pressurized alcohol stove in my F25 and RV. The flame does
not burn very hot but I like them both. The stove on my F25 has only
one functioning burner and therefore I am looking for a replacement.
If your pressurized alcohol stove is in working order I would be
interested in taking it off our hands.
The original equipment on the Freedom 25 was an Origo
nonpressurized
two-burner. Your previous owner must have changed it. Herm
bizarre. Most people replace the pressurized with the non-
pressurized. that’s why I
thought it was original equipment. Wonder what he was thinking.
At 07:06 PM 11/30/2006, you wrote:
I sold my Nonsuch last fall and needed another boat to replace
it.
(Moved to a lake). Everyone
said if I liked my Nonsuch, I’d love a Freedom. So I bought a
Freedom 25, with a wing mast. I
just trailered it home today. I expect I’ll be asking a lot of
questions regarding the rig, and a
few other items. It has a small Yanmar diesel, a folding prop,
and I
definitely like the idea of a
staysail on a cat rig. I’m keeping the boat’s name (the
previous
owner named it after his dog
which had passed on – so I didn’t want to take the name off
the
boat). Now, come to think
of it, I do have a question. The boat has a little two-burner
pressurized alcohol stove, which I
don’t care for. Has anyone out there installed a non-
pressurized
alcohol stove on their boat?
I have a pressurized alcohol stove in my F25 and RV. The flame does
not burn very hot but I like them both. The stove on my F25 has only
one functioning burner and therefore I am looking for a replacement.
If your pressurized alcohol stove is in working order I would be
interested in taking it off our hands.
I haven’t fired it up yet, but I’m going to remove it and you’re certainly
welcome to it. By
the way, do you, or anyone else happen to know the weight of the wing mast? I’m
going to
try to get it off the deck, where it’s lashed, and down onto some sawhorses for
the winter.
I"m wondering how many people I’ll need for this operation.
The original equipment on the Freedom 25 was an Origo
nonpressurized
two-burner. Your previous owner must have changed it. Herm
bizarre. Most people replace the pressurized with the non-
pressurized. that’s why I
thought it was original equipment. Wonder what he was thinking.
At 07:06 PM 11/30/2006, you wrote:
I sold my Nonsuch last fall and needed another boat to replace
it.
(Moved to a lake). Everyone
said if I liked my Nonsuch, I’d love a Freedom. So I bought a
Freedom 25, with a wing mast. I
just trailered it home today. I expect I’ll be asking a lot of
questions regarding the rig, and a
few other items. It has a small Yanmar diesel, a folding prop,
and I
definitely like the idea of a
staysail on a cat rig. I’m keeping the boat’s name (the
previous
owner named it after his dog
which had passed on – so I didn’t want to take the name off
the
boat). Now, come to think
of it, I do have a question. The boat has a little two-burner
pressurized alcohol stove, which I
don’t care for. Has anyone out there installed a non-
pressurized
alcohol stove on their boat?
“I"m wondering how many people I’ll need for this operation.”
Three people can lift your mast; most of the weight is in the bottom third…
Mark Kelly
“Scherzo” (F-25, wing mast),.,___
Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
I Built an A-Frame, about 20’ high, stayed it fore and aft with lines
and used the mainsheet tackle (with a longer sheet) to lift it. While
you have the mast down, permanently mark where its Center of Gravity
is located. That way you will always know how high to set your
lifting loop on the mast to control it. I also made a wooden fixture
for the pulpit and rear rail to support the mast when down. I placed
a trailer keel roller on the front fixture so I could roll the mast
aft after lowering it. I did this entire operation (up and Down) by
myself for many years.
Herm
At 12:16 PM 12/1/2006, you wrote:
“I"m wondering how many people I’ll need for this operation.”
Three people can lift your mast; most of the weight is in the bottom third…
----- Original Message -----
From: Herman and Gail Schiller
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Bought a Freedom 25 and just trailered it home
I Built an A-Frame, about 20’ high, stayed it fore and aft with lines and used the mainsheet tackle (with a longer sheet) to lift it. While you have the mast down, permanently mark where its Center of Gravity is located. That way you will always know how high to set your lifting loop on the mast to control it. I also made a wooden fixture for the pulpit and rear rail to support the mast when down. I placed a trailer keel roller on the front fixture so I could roll the mast aft after lowering it. I did this entire operation (up and Down) by myself for many years.HermAt 12:16 PM 12/1/2006, you wrote:>“I"m wondering how many people I’ll need for this operation.”>>Three people can lift your mast; most of the weight is in the bottom third…>>Mark Kelly>“Scherzo” (F-25, wing mast),.,___>>----------><http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redir=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom%2Fnewaol>Check >out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security >tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across >the web, free AOL Mail and more.>
No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.4/563 - Release Date: 12/2/2006 9:59 AM
Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
Allen,
I’m sorry, but I never thought it of interest and never took
pictures. What’s important (if you do this operation solo) is to have
a cleat on one of the legs of the A-frame/bipod, so that any moment,
you can cleat off your lifting line and take care of some minor
glitch. The bottom of the bipod legs were secured (with a line) to a
nearby fittings (I think the stanchions, but maybe deck eyes) near
the teak rails at the deck edge. Some means of easily moving the
mast aft after lowering must be found. In my case I had a trailer
roller on the bow, using it as the other “hand” to center the mast on
the boat. A willing body capable of walking on deck with about 60
lbs. also will work. I had 2"x3" wooden fixtures that clamped onto my
bow and stern rails to support the mast while down for the winter. I
can supply more details if you want. Herm
I Built an A-Frame, about 20’ high, stayed it fore and aft with lines
and used the mainsheet tackle (with a longer sheet) to lift it. While
you have the mast down, permanently mark where its Center of Gravity
is located. That way you will always know how high to set your
lifting loop on the mast to control it. I also made a wooden fixture
for the pulpit and rear rail to support the mast when down. I placed
a trailer keel roller on the front fixture so I could roll the mast
aft after lowering it. I did this entire operation (up and Down) by
myself for many years.
Herm
At 12:16 PM 12/1/2006, you wrote:
“I"m wondering how many people I’ll need for this operation.”
Three people can lift your mast; most of the weight is in the
bottom third…
l?redir=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom%2Fnewaol>http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615\
326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redir=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom%2Fnewaol>Che
ck
out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security
tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across
the web, free AOL Mail and more.
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.4/563 - Release Date:
12/2/2006 9:59 AM
I never took much interest in the operation either–until I hauled my boat to a lake in North Carolina where there was no gantry. I created the “A” frame hoist designed by Wilf Bishop, but when I got the mast about half way up the legs began to bow. Not good. I’ve been struggling with this for a month now.
Allen
----- Original Message -----
From: Herman and Gail Schiller
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Bought a Freedom 25 and just trailered it home
Allen,I’m sorry, but I never thought it of interest and never took pictures. What’s important (if you do this operation solo) is to have a cleat on one of the legs of the A-frame/bipod, so that any moment, you can cleat off your lifting line and take care of some minor glitch. The bottom of the bipod legs were secured (with a line) to a nearby fittings (I think the stanchions, but maybe deck eyes) near the teak rails at the deck edge. Some means of easily moving the mast aft after lowering must be found. In my case I had a trailer roller on the bow, using it as the other “hand” to center the mast on the boat. A willing body capable of walking on deck with about 60 lbs. also will work. I had 2"x3" wooden fixtures that clamped onto my bow and stern rails to support the mast while down for the winter. I can supply more details if you want. HermAt 03:04 AM 12/14/2007, you wrote:>Herman,>>Do you have any photos of this operation?>>Allen McClung><mailto:amcclung@insightbb.com>amcclung@insightbb.com>>>----- Original Message ----->From: <mailto:hschiller2@suddenlink.net>Herman and Gail Schiller>To: ><mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 12:56 PM>Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Bought a Freedom 25 and just >trailered it home>>I Built an A-Frame, about 20’ high, stayed it fore and aft with lines>and used the mainsheet tackle (with a longer sheet) to lift it. While>you have the mast down, permanently mark where its Center of Gravity>is located. That way you will always know how high to set your>lifting loop on the mast to control it. I also made a wooden fixture>for the pulpit and rear rail to support the mast when down. I placed>a trailer keel roller on the front fixture so I could roll the mast>aft after lowering it. I did this entire operation (up and Down) by>myself for many years.>Herm>>At 12:16 PM 12/1/2006, you wrote:>> >“I"m wondering how many people I’ll need for this operation.”> >> >Three people can lift your mast; most of the weight is in the > bottom third…> >> >Mark Kelly> >“Scherzo” (F-25, wing mast),.,___> >> >----------> ><<http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/ao > l?redir=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom%2Fnewaol>http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redir=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom%2Fnewaol>Check >> >out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security> >tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across> >the web, free AOL Mail and more.> >>>>---------->>>>>---------->No virus found in this incoming message.>Checked by AVG Free Edition.>Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.4/563 - Release Date: >12/2/2006 9:59 AM>>
No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.2/1184 - Release Date: 12/14/2007 11:29 AM
Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
I glued 2"x2" on the sides of the 2"x4" legs to get rid of the bowing
in the transverse (relative to boat) direction. That increased the
weight of the A-frame, but got rid of the bowing. My A-frame legs
were 20’ long having been built of 2x4 which were epoxy-glued 8:1
scarf joints. You might get along with a 16-foot 2x2s glued to the
central portion of the 2x4s. If you do this, taper both ends of the
2x2s to minimize the stress concentrations where the 2x2s end.
Herm
At 11:30 AM 12/14/2007, you wrote:
Thanks for getting back to me, Herm.
I never took much interest in the operation either–until I hauled
my boat to a lake in North Carolina where there was no gantry. I
created the “A” frame hoist designed by Wilf Bishop, but when I got
the mast about half way up the legs began to bow. Not good. I’ve
been struggling with this for a month now.
Allen,
I’m sorry, but I never thought it of interest and never took
pictures. What’s important (if you do this operation solo) is to have
a cleat on one of the legs of the A-frame/bipod, so that any moment,
you can cleat off your lifting line and take care of some minor
glitch. The bottom of the bipod legs were secured (with a line) to a
nearby fittings (I think the stanchions, but maybe deck eyes) near
the teak rails at the deck edge. Some means of easily moving the
mast aft after lowering must be found. In my case I had a trailer
roller on the bow, using it as the other “hand” to center the mast on
the boat. A willing body capable of walking on deck with about 60
lbs. also will work. I had 2"x3" wooden fixtures that clamped onto my
bow and stern rails to support the mast while down for the winter. I
can supply more details if you want. Herm
I Built an A-Frame, about 20’ high, stayed it fore and aft with lines
and used the mainsheet tackle (with a longer sheet) to lift it. While
you have the mast down, permanently mark where its Center of Gravity
is located. That way you will always know how high to set your
lifting loop on the mast to control it. I also made a wooden fixture
for the pulpit and rear rail to support the mast when down. I placed
a trailer keel roller on the front fixture so I could roll the mast
aft after lowering it. I did this entire operation (up and Down) by
myself for many years.
Herm
At 12:16 PM 12/1/2006, you wrote:
“I"m wondering how many people I’ll need for this operation.”
Three people can lift your mast; most of the weight is in the
bottom third…
out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security
tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across
the web, free AOL Mail and more.
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.4/563 - Release Date:
12/2/2006 9:59 AM
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.2/1184 - Release Date:
12/14/2007 11:29 AM
I glued 2"x2" on the sides of the 2"x4" legs to get rid of the
bowing
in the transverse (relative to boat) direction. That increased the
weight of the A-frame, but got rid of the bowing. My A-frame legs
were 20’ long having been built of 2x4 which were epoxy-glued 8:1
scarf joints. You might get along with a 16-foot 2x2s glued to the
central portion of the 2x4s. If you do this, taper both ends of the
2x2s to minimize the stress concentrations where the 2x2s end.
Herm
At 11:30 AM 12/14/2007, you wrote:
Thanks for getting back to me, Herm.
I never took much interest in the operation either–until I hauled
my boat to a lake in North Carolina where there was no gantry. I
created the “A” frame hoist designed by Wilf Bishop, but when I
got
the mast about half way up the legs began to bow. Not good. I’ve
been struggling with this for a month now.
Allen
----- Original Message -----
From: mailto:hschiller2@...Herman and Gail Schiller
To:
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Bought a Freedom 25 and just
trailered it home
Allen,
I’m sorry, but I never thought it of interest and never took
pictures. What’s important (if you do this operation solo) is to
have
a cleat on one of the legs of the A-frame/bipod, so that any
moment,
you can cleat off your lifting line and take care of some minor
glitch. The bottom of the bipod legs were secured (with a line) to
a
nearby fittings (I think the stanchions, but maybe deck eyes) near
the teak rails at the deck edge. Some means of easily moving the
mast aft after lowering must be found. In my case I had a trailer
roller on the bow, using it as the other “hand” to center the mast
on
the boat. A willing body capable of walking on deck with about 60
lbs. also will work. I had 2"x3" wooden fixtures that clamped onto
my
bow and stern rails to support the mast while down for the winter.
I
can supply more details if you want. Herm
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Bought a Freedom 25 and just
trailered it home
I Built an A-Frame, about 20’ high, stayed it fore and aft with
lines
and used the mainsheet tackle (with a longer sheet) to lift it.
While
you have the mast down, permanently mark where its Center of
Gravity
is located. That way you will always know how high to set your
lifting loop on the mast to control it. I also made a wooden
fixture
for the pulpit and rear rail to support the mast when down. I
placed
a trailer keel roller on the front fixture so I could roll the
mast
aft after lowering it. I did this entire operation (up and Down)
by
myself for many years.
Herm
At 12:16 PM 12/1/2006, you wrote:
“I"m wondering how many people I’ll need for this operation.”
Three people can lift your mast; most of the weight is in the
bottom third…
out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and
security
tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from
across
the web, free AOL Mail and more.
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.4/563 - Release Date:
12/2/2006 9:59 AM
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.2/1184 - Release Date:
12/14/2007 11:29 AM
Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
Jim,
I agree that the 20-footer was borderline, I always had to
2-block the hoisting blocks to clear the tubing housing the mast on
deck. I feel that 20’ 6" might be sufficient to assure decent
clearance as you withdraw the mast from its housing. I suppose it
does matter what kind of blocks you use to hoist, and how the block
is attached to the top of the uprights. Herm
I glued 2"x2" on the sides of the 2"x4" legs to get rid of the
bowing
in the transverse (relative to boat) direction. That increased the
weight of the A-frame, but got rid of the bowing. My A-frame legs
were 20’ long having been built of 2x4 which were epoxy-glued 8:1
scarf joints. You might get along with a 16-foot 2x2s glued to the
central portion of the 2x4s. If you do this, taper both ends of the
2x2s to minimize the stress concentrations where the 2x2s end.
Herm
At 11:30 AM 12/14/2007, you wrote:
Thanks for getting back to me, Herm.
I never took much interest in the operation either–until I hauled
my boat to a lake in North Carolina where there was no gantry. I
created the “A” frame hoist designed by Wilf Bishop, but when I
got
the mast about half way up the legs began to bow. Not good. I’ve
been struggling with this for a month now.
Allen
----- Original Message -----
From: mailto:hschiller2@...Herman and Gail Schiller
To:
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Bought a Freedom 25 and just
trailered it home
Allen,
I’m sorry, but I never thought it of interest and never took
pictures. What’s important (if you do this operation solo) is to
have
a cleat on one of the legs of the A-frame/bipod, so that any
moment,
you can cleat off your lifting line and take care of some minor
glitch. The bottom of the bipod legs were secured (with a line) to
a
nearby fittings (I think the stanchions, but maybe deck eyes) near
the teak rails at the deck edge. Some means of easily moving the
mast aft after lowering must be found. In my case I had a trailer
roller on the bow, using it as the other “hand” to center the mast
on
the boat. A willing body capable of walking on deck with about 60
lbs. also will work. I had 2"x3" wooden fixtures that clamped onto
my
bow and stern rails to support the mast while down for the winter.
I
can supply more details if you want. Herm
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Bought a Freedom 25 and just
trailered it home
I Built an A-Frame, about 20’ high, stayed it fore and aft with
lines
and used the mainsheet tackle (with a longer sheet) to lift it.
While
you have the mast down, permanently mark where its Center of
Gravity
is located. That way you will always know how high to set your
lifting loop on the mast to control it. I also made a wooden
fixture
for the pulpit and rear rail to support the mast when down. I
placed
a trailer keel roller on the front fixture so I could roll the
mast
aft after lowering it. I did this entire operation (up and Down)
by
myself for many years.
Herm
At 12:16 PM 12/1/2006, you wrote:
“I"m wondering how many people I’ll need for this operation.”
Three people can lift your mast; most of the weight is in the
bottom third…
out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and
security
tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from
across
the web, free AOL Mail and more.
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.4/563 - Release Date:
12/2/2006 9:59 AM
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.2/1184 - Release Date:
12/14/2007 11:29 AM