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Posted by svbagatelle (svbagatelle@…>)

I am still in the early stages of looking, but can anyone tell me of
major changes between earlier and later models? The only one I can
find (apart for mentions in the Practical Sailor article of things
Freedom was fixing) is the switch to Goetz for the mast, with the
transferable warranty (for 10 years).
I see that “Liberty” is still for sale in Sarasota. I recall there
were some exchanges on this board about her in February, so she has
been on the market for a long time. I wonder why that is …
Paul
F30/32 “Bagatelle”

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Posted by Fred Molden (fredmolden@…>)

Two things I have heard of are that later boats have coaming lockers for
lines and scuppers by the toe rail to drain water from low spots on the deck
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Subject: [freedomyachts2003] buying a Freedom 35

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I am still in the early stages of looking, but can anyone tell me of
major changes between earlier and later models? The only one I can
find (apart for mentions in the Practical Sailor article of things
Freedom was fixing) is the switch to Goetz for the mast, with the
transferable warranty (for 10 years).
I see that “Liberty” is still for sale in Sarasota. I recall there
were some exchanges on this board about her in February, so she has
been on the market for a long time. I wonder why that is …
Paul
F30/32 “Bagatelle”

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Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “svbagatelle”
<svbagatelle@…> wrote:

I am still in the early stages of looking, but can anyone tell me of
major changes between earlier and later models? The only one I can
find (apart for mentions in the Practical Sailor article of things
Freedom was fixing) is the switch to Goetz for the mast, with the
transferable warranty (for 10 years).
I see that “Liberty” is still for sale in Sarasota. I recall there
were some exchanges on this board about her in February, so she has
been on the market for a long time. I wonder why that is …
Paul
F30/32 “Bagatelle”

Paul,

I think there were some changes in hardware on the later models. I
think they went from aluminum deadlights and ports to the Hood
Stainless ones like we had on our old boat.

I visited Liberty while passing through Longboat Key. We had lunch with
the owners and a nice visit. My wife and I weren’t looking to buy the
boat but I had some email exchanges with the owner and we decided to
visit since we were in Longboat Key.

I did not perform a detailed inspection but I did look around the boat
a bit. Nothing jumped out at me. She is well equipped and appeared to
be well cared for. Personally I’m not a fan of shoal draft boats but
they are quite popular in thinner waters. I think the F-35 is a niche
boat and there is a limited market. I don’t think the time on the
market is necessarily an indicator of a problem with the boat.

A complicating factor for the sale of Liberty was a Miami F-35 that
appeared to be a distress sale and went awfully cheap.

If you’re seriously considering the boat why not ask the broker if
there has been any activity. I’d specifically ask if a prospective
buyer had the boat surveyed. If a deal fell through you can frequently
purchase the rights to the survey. Chances are the broker will give you
some idea of what’s going on.

If I was in the market for a shoal draft 35 I’d give Liberty a look or
at least make an inquiry. Time on market is not always an accurate
indication of the quality of the boat although I’d be suspicious of a
common production boat like a Catalina languishing on the market long
term.

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Posted by Jeff Chale (jwchale@…>)
I have been looking at the 35 for some time. I currently have a 30 in the Seattle area and would like to go bigger (I argue with myself on ths as I have spent so dang much renewing my 30!). The later model 35’s ('96 and newer?) seemed to have a rack behind the table. They also have a different cabinet arrangement on the starboard side above the setee (earlier boats had a larger nav panel), and an indented instrument mounting area on the right side of the companionway. Along with the line lockers in the cockpit, I could not find many upgrades that became standard over time (although there may be a very long list that I can not see from pictures on yachtworld!). The 35’s seems to have a long list of options: ports hull-side in aft cabin, galley cabinetry, dorade vents, electric primary, transom shower, deck lighting, electronics packages, windless and probably many others. In my search the most interesting difference I have found is the number of boats that converted from the camberspar to roller furling. I get it that they want more deck space forward, but the photos I’ve seen seem to limit sail shape with the available sheeting angles. I guess it comes down to personal preference. Jeff Chale Vashon, WA svbagatelle <svbagatelle@…> wrote: I am still in the early stages of looking, but can
anyone tell me of major changes between earlier and later models? The only one I can find (apart for mentions in the Practical Sailor article of things Freedom was fixing) is the switch to Goetz for the mast, with the transferable warranty (for 10 years).I see that “Liberty” is still for sale in Sarasota. I recall there were some exchanges on this board about her in February, so she has been on the market for a long time. I wonder why that is …PaulF30/32 “Bagatelle”
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Posted by andre laviolette (andrelaviolette@…>)
When a boat is on the market to long, PRICE is usualy not in relation to others on the market at the time as has been pointed out. We all think our boats are worth more because many of us put so much sweat equity in them and that, unfortunately, we do not get back. We are lucky to get back a small fraction of the improvements ! Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@…> wrote: — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “svbagatelle”
<svbagatelle@…> wrote:>> I am still in the early stages of looking, but can anyone tell me of > major changes between earlier and later models? The only one I can > find (apart for mentions in the Practical Sailor article of things > Freedom was fixing) is the switch to Goetz for the mast, with the > transferable warranty (for 10 years).> I see that “Liberty” is still for sale in Sarasota. I recall there > were some exchanges on this board about her in February, so she has > been on the market for a long time. I wonder why that is …> Paul> F30/32 "Bagatelle"Paul,I think there were some changes in hardware on the later models. I think they went from aluminum deadlights and ports to the Hood Stainless ones like we had on our old boat. I visited Liberty while passing through Longboat Key. We had lunch with the owners and a nice visit. My wife and
I weren’t looking to buy the boat but I had some email exchanges with the owner and we decided to visit since we were in Longboat Key.I did not perform a detailed inspection but I did look around the boat a bit. Nothing jumped out at me. She is well equipped and appeared to be well cared for. Personally I’m not a fan of shoal draft boats but they are quite popular in thinner waters. I think the F-35 is a niche boat and there is a limited market. I don’t think the time on the market is necessarily an indicator of a problem with the boat.A complicating factor for the sale of Liberty was a Miami F-35 that appeared to be a distress sale and went awfully cheap. If you’re seriously considering the boat why not ask the broker if there has been any activity. I’d specifically ask if a prospective buyer had the boat surveyed. If a deal fell through you can frequently purchase the rights to the survey. Chances are
the broker will give you some idea of what’s going on. If I was in the market for a shoal draft 35 I’d give Liberty a look or at least make an inquiry. Time on market is not always an accurate indication of the quality of the boat although I’d be suspicious of a common production boat like a Catalina languishing on the market long term.>
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Posted by svbagatelle (svbagatelle@…>)

Thanks Jeff (and others) for your comments. I too have been very
reluctant to move up from my Freedom 30/32, which has served me
well. I actually looked at a 35 which Mark Edwards showed me back in
1999, but it seemed too much boat for me then. In the meantime, I
have added the sugar scoop stern, rubrails (a great improvement, I
don’t know why others don’t do it), replaced the running rigging,
installed a new water heater and shaft seal, bought a new jib and a
used main, a bruce anchor, etc. But for 2 month (or more) cruising,
which I now want to do, she is bit too small …
I like the idea of the furling self-tending jib, though as you
say it may not have the sail shape that the camberspar provides. But
it means no trips to the bow to lower the jib and it eliminates an
obstacle when anchoring or docking. I guess some of the 35s have
eliminated the self-tacking jib completely, and added sheet winches
on the coaming. But then the boat is just a traditional sloop,
though without the hassle of standing rigging supporting the mast.
thanks again
Paul
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Chale <jwchale@…>
wrote:

I have been looking at the 35 for some time. I currently have a
30 in the Seattle area and would like to go bigger (I argue with
myself on ths as I have spent so dang much renewing my 30!).

The later model 35’s ('96 and newer?) seemed to have a rack
behind the table. They also have a different cabinet arrangement on
the starboard side above the setee (earlier boats had a larger nav
panel), and an indented instrument mounting area on the right side
of the companionway. Along with the line lockers in the cockpit, I
could not find many upgrades that became standard over time
(although there may be a very long list that I can not see from
pictures on yachtworld!). The 35’s seems to have a long list of
options: ports hull-side in aft cabin, galley cabinetry, dorade
vents, electric primary, transom shower, deck lighting, electronics
packages, windless and probably many others.

In my search the most interesting difference I have found is the
number of boats that converted from the camberspar to roller
furling. I get it that they want more deck space forward, but the
photos I’ve seen seem to limit sail shape with the available
sheeting angles. I guess it comes down to personal preference.

Jeff Chale
Vashon, WA

svbagatelle <svbagatelle@…> wrote:
I am still in the early stages of looking, but can
anyone tell me of
major changes between earlier and later models? The only one I can
find (apart for mentions in the Practical Sailor article of things
Freedom was fixing) is the switch to Goetz for the mast, with the
transferable warranty (for 10 years).
I see that “Liberty” is still for sale in Sarasota. I recall there
were some exchanges on this board about her in February, so she
has
been on the market for a long time. I wonder why that is …
Paul
F30/32 “Bagatelle”

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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)


Paul:

Gosh, Paul, you’ve done everything to your 30 that I want to do to mine. I’ve often wondered why Freedoms don’t have rubrails and I’ve thought long and hard about adding them. Would you happen to have any photos of yours that you can share? Heck, maybe I should just sell my 30 and buy yours.

Al

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svbagatelleSent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 10:17 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: buying a Freedom 35

Thanks Jeff (and others) for your comments. I too have been very reluctant to move up from my Freedom 30/32, which has served me well. I actually looked at a 35 which Mark Edwards showed me back in 1999, but it seemed too much boat for me then. In the meantime, I have added the sugar scoop stern, rubrails (a great improvement, I don’t know why others don’t do it), replaced the running rigging, installed a new water heater and shaft seal, bought a new jib and a used main, a bruce anchor, etc. But for 2 month (or more) cruising, which I now want to do, she is bit too small …I like the idea of the furling self-tending jib, though as you say it may not have the sail shape that the camberspar provides. But it means no trips to the bow to lower the jib and it eliminates an obstacle when anchoring or docking. I guess some of the 35s have eliminated the self-tacking jib completely, and added sheet winches on the coaming. But then the boat is just a traditional sloop, though without the hassle of standing rigging supporting the mast.thanks againPaul— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Chale <jwchale@…> wrote:>> I have been looking at the 35 for some time. I currently have a 30 in the Seattle area and would like to go bigger (I argue with myself on ths as I have spent so dang much renewing my 30!).> > The later model 35’s ('96 and newer?) seemed to have a rack behind the table. They also have a different cabinet arrangement on the starboard side above the setee (earlier boats had a larger nav panel), and an indented instrument mounting area on the right side of the companionway. Along with the line lockers in the cockpit, I could not find many upgrades that became standard over time (although there may be a very long list that I can not see from pictures on yachtworld!). The 35’s seems to have a long list of options: ports hull-side in aft cabin, galley cabinetry, dorade vents, electric primary, transom shower, deck lighting, electronics packages, windless and probably many others. > > In my search the most interesting difference I have found is the number of boats that converted from the camberspar to roller furling. I get it that they want more deck space forward, but the photos I’ve seen seem to limit sail shape with the available sheeting angles. I guess it comes down to personal preference.> > Jeff Chale> Vashon, WA> > > > svbagatelle <svbagatelle@…> wrote:> I am still in the early stages of looking, but can anyone tell me of > major changes between earlier and later models? The only one I can > find (apart for mentions in the Practical Sailor article of things > Freedom was fixing) is the switch to Goetz for the mast, with the > transferable warranty (for 10 years).> I see that “Liberty” is still for sale in Sarasota. I recall there > were some exchanges on this board about her in February, so she has > been on the market for a long time. I wonder why that is …> Paul> F30/32 “Bagatelle”> > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Do you Yahoo!?> Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.>

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Posted by Jeff Chale (jwchale@…>)
Paul, One not on going forward to lower the camberspar jib - I have installed (on all three Freedom’s I have owned) a jib downhaul - a simple line attached to the top of the jib that goes through a small block at the bow and through stanchion blocks to the cockpit to a small cam cleat. It works like a dream and I don’t go forward until it is time to throw on the sail ties and cover. Jeffsvbagatelle <svbagatelle@…> wrote: Thanks Jeff (and
others) for your comments. I too have been very reluctant to move up from my Freedom 30/32, which has served me well. I actually looked at a 35 which Mark Edwards showed me back in 1999, but it seemed too much boat for me then. In the meantime, I have added the sugar scoop stern, rubrails (a great improvement, I don’t know why others don’t do it), replaced the running rigging, installed a new water heater and shaft seal, bought a new jib and a used main, a bruce anchor, etc. But for 2 month (or more) cruising, which I now want to do, she is bit too small …I like the idea of the furling self-tending jib, though as you say it may not have the sail shape that the camberspar provides. But it means no trips to the bow to lower the jib and it eliminates an obstacle when anchoring or docking. I guess some of the 35s have eliminated the self-tacking jib completely, and added sheet winches on the coaming. But then the boat
is just a traditional sloop, though without the hassle of standing rigging supporting the mast.thanks againPaul— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Chale <jwchale@…> wrote:>> I have been looking at the 35 for some time. I currently have a 30 in the Seattle area and would like to go bigger (I argue with myself on ths as I have spent so dang much renewing my 30!).> > The later model 35’s ('96 and newer?) seemed to have a rack behind the table. They also have a different cabinet arrangement on the starboard side above the setee (earlier boats had a larger nav panel), and an indented instrument mounting area on the right side of the companionway. Along with the line lockers in the cockpit, I could not find many upgrades that became standard over time (although there may be a very long list that I can not see
from pictures on yachtworld!). The 35’s seems to have a long list of options: ports hull-side in aft cabin, galley cabinetry, dorade vents, electric primary, transom shower, deck lighting, electronics packages, windless and probably many others. > > In my search the most interesting difference I have found is the number of boats that converted from the camberspar to roller furling. I get it that they want more deck space forward, but the photos I’ve seen seem to limit sail shape with the available sheeting angles. I guess it comes down to personal preference.> > Jeff Chale> Vashon, WA> > > > svbagatelle <svbagatelle@…> wrote:> I am still in the early stages of looking, but can anyone tell me of > major changes between earlier and later models? The only one I can > find (apart for mentions in the Practical Sailor article of things

Freedom was fixing) is the switch to Goetz for the mast, with the > transferable warranty (for 10 years).> I see that “Liberty” is still for sale in Sarasota. I recall there > were some exchanges on this board about her in February, so she has > been on the market for a long time. I wonder why that is …> Paul> F30/32 “Bagatelle”> > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Do you Yahoo!?> Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.>
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Posted by jerry weinraub (zayde@…>)

Some F33’s have rubrails.

----- Original Message -----
From: Lorman, Alvin J.
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 12:12 PM
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re: buying a Freedom 35




Paul:

Gosh, Paul, you’ve done everything to your 30 that I want to do to mine. I’ve often wondered why Freedoms don’t have rubrails and I’ve thought long and hard about adding them. Would you happen to have any photos of yours that you can share? Heck, maybe I should just sell my 30 and buy yours.

Al

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svbagatelleSent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 10:17 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: buying a Freedom 35

Thanks Jeff (and others) for your comments. I too have been very reluctant to move up from my Freedom 30/32, which has served me well. I actually looked at a 35 which Mark Edwards showed me back in 1999, but it seemed too much boat for me then. In the meantime, I have added the sugar scoop stern, rubrails (a great improvement, I don’t know why others don’t do it), replaced the running rigging, installed a new water heater and shaft seal, bought a new jib and a used main, a bruce anchor, etc. But for 2 month (or more) cruising, which I now want to do, she is bit too small …I like the idea of the furling self-tending jib, though as you say it may not have the sail shape that the camberspar provides. But it means no trips to the bow to lower the jib and it eliminates an obstacle when anchoring or docking. I guess some of the 35s have eliminated the self-tacking jib completely, and added sheet winches on the coaming. But then the boat is just a traditional sloop, though without the hassle of standing rigging supporting the mast.thanks againPaul— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Chale <jwchale@…> wrote:>> I have been looking at the 35 for some time. I currently have a 30 in the Seattle area and would like to go bigger (I argue with myself on ths as I have spent so dang much renewing my 30!).> > The later model 35’s ('96 and newer?) seemed to have a rack behind the table. They also have a different cabinet arrangement on the starboard side above the setee (earlier boats had a larger nav panel), and an indented instrument mounting area on the right side of the companionway. Along with the line lockers in the cockpit, I could not find many upgrades that became standard over time (although there may be a very long list that I can not see from pictures on yachtworld!). The 35’s seems to have a long list of options: ports hull-side in aft cabin, galley cabinetry, dorade vents, electric primary, transom shower, deck lighting, electronics packages, windless and probably many others. > > In my search the most interesting difference I have found is the number of boats that converted from the camberspar to roller furling. I get it that they want more deck space forward, but the photos I’ve seen seem to limit sail shape with the available sheeting angles. I guess it comes down to personal preference.> > Jeff Chale> Vashon, WA> > > > svbagatelle <svbagatelle@…> wrote:> I am still in the early stages of looking, but can anyone tell me of > major changes between earlier and later models? The only one I can > find (apart for mentions in the Practical Sailor article of things > Freedom was fixing) is the switch to Goetz for the mast, with the > transferable warranty (for 10 years).> I see that “Liberty” is still for sale in Sarasota. I recall there > were some exchanges on this board about her in February, so she has > been on the market for a long time. I wonder why that is …> Paul> F30/32 “Bagatelle”> > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Do you Yahoo!?> Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.>

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Posted by svbagatelle (svbagatelle@…>)

Al,
that’s a great idea! you can even take delivery in the Bahamas, and
save a long trip down the intracoastal. And you would get your
mainsail back too!
Paul

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@…> wrote:

Paul:

Gosh, Paul, you’ve done everything to your 30 that I want to do to
mine.
I’ve often wondered why Freedoms don’t have rubrails and I’ve
thought
long and hard about adding them. Would you happen to have any
photos of
yours that you can share? Heck, maybe I should just sell my 30
and buy
yours.

Al
-----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svbagatelle
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 10:17 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: buying a Freedom 35

Thanks Jeff (and others) for your comments. I too have been very
reluctant to move up from my Freedom 30/32, which has served me
well. I actually looked at a 35 which Mark Edwards showed me back
in
1999, but it seemed too much boat for me then. In the meantime, I
have added the sugar scoop stern, rubrails (a great improvement, I
don’t know why others don’t do it), replaced the running rigging,
installed a new water heater and shaft seal, bought a new jib and
a
used main, a bruce anchor, etc. But for 2 month (or more)
cruising,
which I now want to do, she is bit too small …
I like the idea of the furling self-tending jib, though as you
say it may not have the sail shape that the camberspar provides.
But
it means no trips to the bow to lower the jib and it eliminates an
obstacle when anchoring or docking. I guess some of the 35s have
eliminated the self-tacking jib completely, and added sheet
winches
on the coaming. But then the boat is just a traditional sloop,
though without the hassle of standing rigging supporting the mast.
thanks again
Paul
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com , Jeff Chale
<jwchale@>
wrote:

I have been looking at the 35 for some time. I currently have a
30 in the Seattle area and would like to go bigger (I argue with
myself on ths as I have spent so dang much renewing my 30!).

The later model 35’s ('96 and newer?) seemed to have a rack
behind the table. They also have a different cabinet arrangement
on
the starboard side above the setee (earlier boats had a larger nav
panel), and an indented instrument mounting area on the right side
of the companionway. Along with the line lockers in the cockpit, I
could not find many upgrades that became standard over time
(although there may be a very long list that I can not see from
pictures on yachtworld!). The 35’s seems to have a long list of
options: ports hull-side in aft cabin, galley cabinetry, dorade
vents, electric primary, transom shower, deck lighting,
electronics
packages, windless and probably many others.

In my search the most interesting difference I have found is the
number of boats that converted from the camberspar to roller
furling. I get it that they want more deck space forward, but the
photos I’ve seen seem to limit sail shape with the available
sheeting angles. I guess it comes down to personal preference.

Jeff Chale
Vashon, WA

svbagatelle <svbagatelle@> wrote:
I am still in the early stages of looking, but can
anyone tell me of
major changes between earlier and later models? The only one I
can
find (apart for mentions in the Practical Sailor article of
things
Freedom was fixing) is the switch to Goetz for the mast, with
the
transferable warranty (for 10 years).
I see that “Liberty” is still for sale in Sarasota. I recall
there
were some exchanges on this board about her in February, so she
has
been on the market for a long time. I wonder why that is …
Paul
F30/32 “Bagatelle”

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Posted by svbagatelle (svbagatelle@…>)

Jeff,
Sounds like a neat idea. But doesn’t the jib flop around and billow
out in a strong wind unless you go forward and tie it down?
Paul
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Chale <jwchale@…>
wrote:

Paul,

One not on going forward to lower the camberspar jib - I have
installed (on all three Freedom’s I have owned) a jib downhaul - a
simple line attached to the top of the jib that goes through a small
block at the bow and through stanchion blocks to the cockpit to a
small cam cleat. It works like a dream and I don’t go forward until
it is time to throw on the sail ties and cover.

Jeff

svbagatelle <svbagatelle@…> wrote:
Thanks Jeff (and others) for your comments. I too have
been very
reluctant to move up from my Freedom 30/32, which has served me
well. I actually looked at a 35 which Mark Edwards showed me back
in
1999, but it seemed too much boat for me then. In the meantime, I
have added the sugar scoop stern, rubrails (a great improvement, I
don’t know why others don’t do it), replaced the running rigging,
installed a new water heater and shaft seal, bought a new jib and
a
used main, a bruce anchor, etc. But for 2 month (or more)
cruising,
which I now want to do, she is bit too small …
I like the idea of the furling self-tending jib, though as you
say it may not have the sail shape that the camberspar provides.
But
it means no trips to the bow to lower the jib and it eliminates an
obstacle when anchoring or docking. I guess some of the 35s have
eliminated the self-tacking jib completely, and added sheet
winches
on the coaming. But then the boat is just a traditional sloop,
though without the hassle of standing rigging supporting the mast.
thanks again
Paul
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Chale <jwchale@>
wrote:

I have been looking at the 35 for some time. I currently have a
30 in the Seattle area and would like to go bigger (I argue with
myself on ths as I have spent so dang much renewing my 30!).

The later model 35’s ('96 and newer?) seemed to have a rack
behind the table. They also have a different cabinet arrangement
on
the starboard side above the setee (earlier boats had a larger nav
panel), and an indented instrument mounting area on the right side
of the companionway. Along with the line lockers in the cockpit, I
could not find many upgrades that became standard over time
(although there may be a very long list that I can not see from
pictures on yachtworld!). The 35’s seems to have a long list of
options: ports hull-side in aft cabin, galley cabinetry, dorade
vents, electric primary, transom shower, deck lighting,
electronics
packages, windless and probably many others.

In my search the most interesting difference I have found is the
number of boats that converted from the camberspar to roller
furling. I get it that they want more deck space forward, but the
photos I’ve seen seem to limit sail shape with the available
sheeting angles. I guess it comes down to personal preference.

Jeff Chale
Vashon, WA

svbagatelle <svbagatelle@> wrote:
I am still in the early stages of looking, but can
anyone tell me of
major changes between earlier and later models? The only one I
can
find (apart for mentions in the Practical Sailor article of
things
Freedom was fixing) is the switch to Goetz for the mast, with
the
transferable warranty (for 10 years).
I see that “Liberty” is still for sale in Sarasota. I recall
there
were some exchanges on this board about her in February, so she
has
been on the market for a long time. I wonder why that is …
Paul
F30/32 “Bagatelle”

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Posted by andre laviolette (andrelaviolette@…>)
Scaramanga has had rubrails added and they are a boon ! They are a PVC pultrusion about 1 1/2 in. thick and capped with a stainless steel rail. Can be seen in photos, " Scaramanga ". Between deck edge and blue cove stripe. 2K installed.jerry weinraub <zayde@…> wrote: Some F33’s have rubrails. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lorman, Alvin J. To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 12:12 PM Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re: buying a Freedom 35 Paul: Gosh, Paul, you’ve done everything to your 30 that I want to do to mine. I’ve often wondered why Freedoms don’t have rubrails and I’ve thought long and hard
about adding them. Would you happen to have any photos of yours that you can share? Heck, maybe I should just sell my 30 and buy yours. Al -----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svbagatelleSent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 10:17 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: buying a Freedom 35 Thanks Jeff (and others) for your comments. I too have been very
reluctant to move up from my Freedom 30/32, which has served me well. I actually looked at a 35 which Mark Edwards showed me back in 1999, but it seemed too much boat for me then. In the meantime, I have added the sugar scoop stern, rubrails (a great improvement, I don’t know why others don’t do it), replaced the running rigging, installed a new water heater and shaft seal, bought a new jib and a used main, a bruce anchor, etc. But for 2 month (or more) cruising, which I now want to do, she is bit too small …I like the idea of the furling self-tending jib, though as you say it may not have the sail shape that the camberspar provides. But it means no trips to the bow to lower the jib and it eliminates an obstacle when anchoring or docking. I guess some of the 35s have eliminated the self-tacking jib completely, and added sheet winches on the coaming. But then the boat is just a traditional sloop, though without
the hassle of standing rigging supporting the mast.thanks againPaul— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Chale <jwchale@…> wrote:>> I have been looking at the 35 for some time. I currently have a 30 in the Seattle area and would like to go bigger (I argue with myself on ths as I have spent so dang much renewing my 30!).> > The later model 35’s ('96 and newer?) seemed to have a rack behind the table. They also have a different cabinet arrangement on the starboard side above the setee (earlier boats had a larger nav panel), and an indented instrument mounting area on the right side of the companionway. Along with the line lockers in the cockpit, I could not find many upgrades that became standard over time (although there may be a very long list that I can not see from pictures on yachtworld!). The 35’s
seems to have a long list of options: ports hull-side in aft cabin, galley cabinetry, dorade vents, electric primary, transom shower, deck lighting, electronics packages, windless and probably many others. > > In my search the most interesting difference I have found is the number of boats that converted from the camberspar to roller furling. I get it that they want more deck space forward, but the photos I’ve seen seem to limit sail shape with the available sheeting angles. I guess it comes down to personal preference.> > Jeff Chale> Vashon, WA> > > > svbagatelle <svbagatelle@…> wrote:> I am still in the early stages of looking, but can anyone tell me of > major changes between earlier and later models? The only one I can > find (apart for mentions in the Practical Sailor article of things > Freedom was fixing) is the switch to Goetz for
the mast, with the > transferable warranty (for 10 years).> I see that “Liberty” is still for sale in Sarasota. I recall there > were some exchanges on this board about her in February, so she has > been on the market for a long time. I wonder why that is …> Paul> F30/32 “Bagatelle”> > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Do you Yahoo!?> Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.> IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If
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Posted by Jeff Chale (jwchale@…>)
Yes, it does flop around a bit, but not anything unmanagable. I usually don’t drop it until I am minutes from docking, so it works fine for me. In bad weather I will always reef the main before dropping the jib, so I don’t find myself in rough conditions going forward to put the ties on the jib. Still concerned about the sheeting angles on the roller furling and would love to hear from others on how well it works. Jeffsvbagatelle <svbagatelle@…> wrote: Jeff,Sounds like a neat idea. But doesn’t the jib flop around and billow out in a strong wind unless you go forward and tie it down? Paul— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Chale <jwchale@…> wrote:>> Paul,> > One not on going forward to lower the camberspar jib - I have installed (on all three Freedom’s I have owned) a jib downhaul - a simple line attached to the top of the jib that goes through a small block at the bow and through stanchion blocks to the cockpit to a small cam cleat. It works like a dream and I don’t go forward until it is time to throw on the sail ties and cover.> > Jeff> > svbagatelle <svbagatelle@…> wrote:> Thanks Jeff (and others) for your comments. I too have been very > reluctant to move up from my Freedom
30/32, which has served me > well. I actually looked at a 35 which Mark Edwards showed me back in > 1999, but it seemed too much boat for me then. In the meantime, I > have added the sugar scoop stern, rubrails (a great improvement, I > don’t know why others don’t do it), replaced the running rigging, > installed a new water heater and shaft seal, bought a new jib and a > used main, a bruce anchor, etc. But for 2 month (or more) cruising, > which I now want to do, she is bit too small …> I like the idea of the furling self-tending jib, though as you > say it may not have the sail shape that the camberspar provides. But > it means no trips to the bow to lower the jib and it eliminates an > obstacle when anchoring or docking. I guess some of the 35s have > eliminated the self-tacking jib completely, and added sheet winches > on the coaming. But then the boat is
just a traditional sloop, > though without the hassle of standing rigging supporting the mast.> thanks again> Paul> — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Chale <jwchale@> > wrote:> >> > I have been looking at the 35 for some time. I currently have a > 30 in the Seattle area and would like to go bigger (I argue with > myself on ths as I have spent so dang much renewing my 30!).> > > > The later model 35’s ('96 and newer?) seemed to have a rack > behind the table. They also have a different cabinet arrangement on > the starboard side above the setee (earlier boats had a larger nav > panel), and an indented instrument mounting area on the right side > of the companionway. Along with the line lockers in the cockpit, I > could not find many upgrades that became standard
over time > (although there may be a very long list that I can not see from > pictures on yachtworld!). The 35’s seems to have a long list of > options: ports hull-side in aft cabin, galley cabinetry, dorade > vents, electric primary, transom shower, deck lighting, electronics > packages, windless and probably many others. > > > > In my search the most interesting difference I have found is the > number of boats that converted from the camberspar to roller > furling. I get it that they want more deck space forward, but the > photos I’ve seen seem to limit sail shape with the available > sheeting angles. I guess it comes down to personal preference.> > > > Jeff Chale> > Vashon, WA> > > > > > > > svbagatelle <svbagatelle@> wrote:> > I am still in the early stages of looking, but can >
anyone tell me of > > major changes between earlier and later models? The only one I can > > find (apart for mentions in the Practical Sailor article of things > > Freedom was fixing) is the switch to Goetz for the mast, with the > > transferable warranty (for 10 years).> > I see that “Liberty” is still for sale in Sarasota. I recall there > > were some exchanges on this board about her in February, so she > has > > been on the market for a long time. I wonder why that is …> > Paul> > F30/32 “Bagatelle”> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > Do you Yahoo!?> > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.> >> > > > > > >
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Posted by willie doyle (williedoylemom@…>)
Re a 35 - We are really enjoying the one we bought in RI this summer. It has a roller furling jib with jib sheets on jib tracks led aft to winches. We do not get quite the set we’d like and are going to get a whisker pole for downwind runs. We just did not want to h ave to clamber over a camber spar on the foredeck while docking, achoring etc. As for the nice 35 in Sarasota, “Liberty,” We would have bought her as she was a sweet boat with nice add ons. The only reason we did not was that our new ('96) boat came with a paid-for slip in Narragansett Bay and we really liked the idea of getting to know our boat in an area we’d never sailed in before. Had some great sails (an some truly lousy weather) and were delighted to be near Paul Dennis for all sorts of “shake down” issues. She’s just been trucked down to her new home port of St. Petersburg. Don’t know why
Liberty is still for sale, maybe the same reason that most of the others that we looked at last December still are as well. Her canvas was a bit tired but servicable. That was the ony real negative we could find and it was minor. Faith Jeff Chale <jwchale@…> wrote: Yes, it does flop around a bit, but not anything unmanagable. I usually don’t drop it until I am minutes from docking, so it works fine for me. In bad weather I will
always reef the main before dropping the jib, so I don’t find myself in rough conditions going forward to put the ties on the jib. Still concerned about the sheeting angles on the roller furling and would love to hear from others on how well it works. Jeffsvbagatelle <svbagatelle@yahoo.com> wrote: Jeff,Sounds like a neat idea. But doesn’t the jib flop around and billow out in a strong wind unless you go forward and tie it down? Paul— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Chale <jwchale@…> wrote:>> Paul,> > One not on going forward to lower the camberspar jib - I have installed (on all three Freedom’s I have owned) a
jib downhaul - a simple line attached to the top of the jib that goes through a small block at the bow and through stanchion blocks to the cockpit to a small cam cleat. It works like a dream and I don’t go forward until it is time to throw on the sail ties and cover.> > Jeff> > svbagatelle <svbagatelle@…> wrote:> Thanks Jeff (and others) for your comments. I too have been very > reluctant to move up from my Freedom 30/32, which has served me > well. I actually looked at a 35 which Mark Edwards showed me back in > 1999, but it seemed too much boat for me then. In the meantime, I > have added the sugar scoop stern, rubrails (a great improvement, I > don’t know why others don’t do it), replaced the running rigging, > installed a new water heater and shaft seal, bought a new jib and a > used main, a bruce anchor, etc. But for 2 month (or more)
cruising, > which I now want to do, she is bit too small …> I like the idea of the furling self-tending jib, though as you > say it may not have the sail shape that the camberspar provides. But > it means no trips to the bow to lower the jib and it eliminates an > obstacle when anchoring or docking. I guess some of the 35s have > eliminated the self-tacking jib completely, and added sheet winches > on the coaming. But then the boat is just a traditional sloop, > though without the hassle of standing rigging supporting the mast.> thanks again> Paul> — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Chale <jwchale@> > wrote:> >> > I have been looking at the 35 for some time. I currently have a > 30 in the Seattle area and would like to go bigger (I argue with > myself on ths
as I have spent so dang much renewing my 30!).> > > > The later model 35’s ('96 and newer?) seemed to have a rack > behind the table. They also have a different cabinet arrangement on > the starboard side above the setee (earlier boats had a larger nav > panel), and an indented instrument mounting area on the right side > of the companionway. Along with the line lockers in the cockpit, I > could not find many upgrades that became standard over time > (although there may be a very long list that I can not see from > pictures on yachtworld!). The 35’s seems to have a long list of > options: ports hull-side in aft cabin, galley cabinetry, dorade > vents, electric primary, transom shower, deck lighting, electronics > packages, windless and probably many others. > > > > In my search the most interesting difference I have found is the > number of
boats that converted from the camberspar to roller > furling. I get it that they want more deck space forward, but the > photos I’ve seen seem to limit sail shape with the available > sheeting angles. I guess it comes down to personal preference.> > > > Jeff Chale> > Vashon, WA> > > > > > > > svbagatelle <svbagatelle@> wrote:> > I am still in the early stages of looking, but can > anyone tell me of > > major changes between earlier and later models? The only one I can > > find (apart for mentions in the Practical Sailor article of things > > Freedom was fixing) is the switch to Goetz for the mast, with the > > transferable warranty (for 10 years).> > I see that “Liberty” is still for sale in Sarasota. I recall there > > were some exchanges on this board about her in February, so
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Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)

She’s just been trucked down to her new home port of St. Petersburg.

Faith,

One of our vendors is twisting my arm to do the St Pete show with him.
We used to keep a race boat in St Pete so I’m pretty familiar with the
area. Be nice to meet up if there’s time. Not sure if I’m going out
there or not. Right now I’m getting ready for Thailand to attend the
dedication of our new loft.

I agree with your assessment of Liberty. She seems like a pretty nice
boat. I think there was a pretty good track system for the main.
Scratching my head but I think it had a conventional genoa setup but
it’s been about 8 months since I’ve seen it. Hopefully someone buys it
and goes sailing.

There was a 35 for sale near me in Seattle that was on the market for
quite some time. Seems like they take a long time to sell. I tried to
get a friend of mine to buy it.

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Posted by Jeff Chale (jwchale@…>)
I looked at the '96 35 in Seattle. It took so long to sell because it had been raced and was in rough shape - hatches shattered (still intact) starboard skylight broken, and a long list of other problems that were the direct result of hard use and improper maintenance. I believe she sold for between $110k-$115k. Jeff Chale Vashon, WADave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@…> wrote: She’s just been trucked down to her new home port of St. Petersburg.> >
Faith,One of our vendors is twisting my arm to do the St Pete show with him. We used to keep a race boat in St Pete so I’m pretty familiar with the area. Be nice to meet up if there’s time. Not sure if I’m going out there or not. Right now I’m getting ready for Thailand to attend the dedication of our new loft.I agree with your assessment of Liberty. She seems like a pretty nice boat. I think there was a pretty good track system for the main. Scratching my head but I think it had a conventional genoa setup but it’s been about 8 months since I’ve seen it. Hopefully someone buys it and goes sailing. There was a 35 for sale near me in Seattle that was on the market for quite some time. Seems like they take a long time to sell. I tried to get a friend of mine to buy it.
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Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)

Odd that she was raced so heavily and not looked after. I never saw
the boat in person. Hard to believe someone would let such a fine
boat deteriorate that way. People amaze me. I bet whoever owned her
didn’t have to work too hard to earn the money to buy that boat new
or they would have taken more pride in her upkeep.

Vashon looks like a wonderful place to live. I’ve sailed past the
island and flown over it countless times but never had the chance to
visit. I’ve always liked the idea of commuting by ferry and not
driving so much but I suppose it gets old after a while.


— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Chale <jwchale@…>
wrote:

I looked at the '96 35 in Seattle. It took so long to sell because
it had been raced and was in rough shape - hatches shattered (still
intact) starboard skylight broken, and a long list of other problems
that were the direct result of hard use and improper maintenance. I
believe she sold for between $110k-$115k.

Jeff Chale
Vashon, WA

Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@…> wrote:
She’s just been trucked down to her new home port of St.
Petersburg.

Faith,

One of our vendors is twisting my arm to do the St Pete show with
him.
We used to keep a race boat in St Pete so I’m pretty familiar with
the
area. Be nice to meet up if there’s time. Not sure if I’m going out
there or not. Right now I’m getting ready for Thailand to attend
the
dedication of our new loft.

I agree with your assessment of Liberty. She seems like a pretty
nice
boat. I think there was a pretty good track system for the main.
Scratching my head but I think it had a conventional genoa setup
but
it’s been about 8 months since I’ve seen it. Hopefully someone buys
it
and goes sailing.

There was a 35 for sale near me in Seattle that was on the market
for
quite some time. Seems like they take a long time to sell. I tried
to
get a friend of mine to buy it.

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Posted by pmouligne@… (pmouligne@…)
I hear lots of talk about expensive F35 for sale (+$100K…)
I have sailed many Freedom since 1980, I have owned a F32 for 4 years and a freedom 44 for 17 years.
By far my favorite of all Freedoms is the 44. The Ketch rig is very well balanced, you can sail without using the jib and tack very easily. The jib adds .75knts and 7deg going to weather, you can roll it in or out from the cockpit, all halyards, reefing lines, boom vangs and sheets are led to the cockpit. She is the very best Freedom for short handed sailing and can cruise very comfortably with 2 couples +kids.
Frog-Kiss F44 is a very good deal in comparison to other Freedom on the market.
Thanks,
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Hi Patrick, Sorry it was hard to talk in the shop. Pretty noisy where I was. Here is the listing for Frog Kiss. The floppy with the actual photos is at Freedom and I’m sure that Roe and Paul would give this to you if you want it. I can tell you/them right where to find it. I’ll call in a few to see if this comes through OK. Best wishes for the New Year. Yours, Mark Edwards, True North Yachts, 774-526-0914 cell











Frog Kiss

44’ Freedom Yachts Freedom 44

Year: 1982 Current Price: US$ 138,500 Located in Portsmouth, RI Hull Material: Fiberglass Engine/Fuel Type: Single Diesel YW# 1484-1080818 Inactive







Other photos: View aft from fwd head, Nav station and companionway, Galley, Stbd Settee Main Salon, Port Settee and Heater, Aft Cabin double, Aft head, Cockpit, Hull hauled.
Locally famous Freedom 44 “Frog Kiss” is a unique and desirable example of this Freedom classic. The Freedom 44’s have enjoyed a cult following for years and for good reason. Many believe these are the most powerful Freedoms ever built. With two overall wins and four class victories in the tough Bermuda 1-2 race, it’s hard to deny her fast passagemaking capabilities. “Frog Kiss” has all the gear one needs for safe, shorthanded, extended cruising. She is customized in many ways by her very knowledgable owner including the installation of a retractable,carbon fiber bowsprit for a roller furling blade jib forward of the main. She is fitted with a lovely varnished ash interior that makes her brighter and airier than the average 44. Don’t wait on this unique cat ketch rigged Freedom. Owner wants to move up and so offers are strongly encouraged!

Additional Specs, Equipment and Information:




Builder/Designer






Builder: Freedom Yachts
Designer: Garry Hoyt


Dimensions






LOA: 44’
LWL: 39’ 6"
Beam: 12’

Displacement: 24,000
Draft: 6’
Ballast: 7,000



Engines






Engine(s): Perkins
Engine(s) HP: 50
Engine Model: 4:108

Hours: 1500


Tankage






Fuel: 125
Water: 160
Holding: two tanks




Accommodations"Frog Kiss" is lovely example of this most powerful Freedom classic. Her interior is bright and airy with lovely varnished ash bulkheads and teak trim. The hull sides are lined with Alaskan yellow cedar and the sole is solid teak and holly boards. There is 6’4" headroom and sleeping for 6 and dining accommodations for 8 in two private staterooms with two heads. There is a large vee berth forward with insert which makes into a double berth. There is a lee cloth divider that can be tied up to divide this berth into two separate berths. Two opening portlights and a large deck hatch overhead make this space light and comfortable. Aft of the forward cabin is a walk-through head with toilet, shower, sink vanity and two large lockers. There is an opening deck hatch with solar vent in this head. The main salon features a straight settee to port and a U-shaped settee to starboard with a fixed table with leaves set for dining from both sides. Storage and book shelves abound. There is a pretty Balmar diesel heater on the forward bulkhead with a unique gravity feed fuel day tank which draws air from on deck. This heats the cabin and adds a homey ambiance. The starboard settee pulls out to a double berth and the port settee sleeps one. The Galley runs aft on the port side and is conveniently located between the main salon and the companionway. Just aft is the Nav Station with custom electrical panel and full array of electronics all within easy reach. The large chart table faces aft to the cockpit. There is a clear roll-up protective curtain over the custom electrical breaker panel. To starboard is a Private Aft Cabin with double berth outboard, a hanging locker, and separate head with shower.





Diesel Cabin heater from Balmar with gravity day tank fed by 12v pump from fwd fuel tank Toilets replaced in 1992 and 1994


7 Cast Aluminum Deck hatches 8 Cast Aluminum Opening portlights 6 Passive ventilators Custom wine rack



GalleyThe galley is open to the main cabin and conveniently close to the companionway. It is well set up for meal preparation with plenty of counter space, a custom working shelf, deep double basin stainless sinks with custom seacock outlet so it will drain easily on port and starboard tacks, and a gimballed Force 10 propane stove with three burners and an oven and broiler and a stove guard. (2-20# propane tanks located under helm seat in cockpit). Refrigeration is top shelf Grunert hold-over plates with top loading freezer inboard and front loading reefer outboard. Plumbing at the sink includes pressurized sea water and hot and cold fresh water plus a fresh water hand pump and a spigot feed from the water maker. An opening portlight and a hatch over the stove ventilate this area nicely.





Electronics





GPS - Micrologic ML 250 Furuno 25 mile Radar Radar Alarm RA-48(1996) Icom IC M80 VHF radio (1996) Icom M700 SSB radio with computer hook up for weather fax and auto tuner Robertson Autopilot with main control at helm and remote controls at nav station, cockpit, and mid-deck Proximity Radar Alert receiver in owner’s cabin with loud alarm Hand held digital HF receiver Datamarine wind and boat speed new 1996 Datamarine depth Distance log repeater at Nav Station Water temp gauge at nav station Lo-Kata Watchman Lo-Kata RDF Cell phone with masthead antenna Premier Mosfet Stereo/CD with Pioneer speakers in salon and cockpit speakers



ElectricalThe electrical system including most wiring, custom Bass electrical breaker panel, and batteries were redone in 1995. Frog Kiss has been raced to and from Bermuda and cruised extensively to the Caribbean and locally in the waters of New England. Her electrical, battery, and charging systems all reflect and are well suited to this use. Two battery banks include a house bank with large Surrette 6v batteries with a total capacity of 675 amps and a separate engine start 12v battery. Two parallel switches provide flexibility to keep both banks separated however all batteries can be combined through these switches in an emergency. There are two alternators on the engine including one 60 amp and one high output 100 amp Balmar alternator with smart Balmar regulator and Balmar DCM-200 battery monitor.




Heart 1500w Inverter Heart Link 20 monitor 110v Battery charger 50’ shore cord - 30 amp Wind/air generator from Ampair Full bonding system Visual alarms in cockpit for bilge pump activiy Individual amp meters battery banks in cockpit


Two navigation light systems including masthead tri-color and strobe Deck lights on main and mizzen with switch in cockpit 12v lights inside - white and red Numerous oscillating fans 12v plugs inside and in cockpit for search light Red night light in cockpit with handy switch



MechanicalThe Perkins 4:108 has been a reliable work horse and was overhauled in 1995. There are two separate Racor fuel filters which can be switched while running. There is a separate 12v fuel pump to facilitate bleeding the engine. A three blade featering Max prop adds to powering and sailing performance. A shaft line cutter adds to safety.




Perkins 4:108 overhauled - 1995 Dual Racor fuel filters 12v fuel pump Manual oil changing pump is permanently installed Large inventory of spare parts Engine has Morse single lever control


Pur 12v 100 gal/day Water Maker Three Blade Feathering Max prop Shaft Spurs line cutter



Sails and rigThe Freedom 44 may be the fastest Freedom design ever. “Frog Kiss” has won the overall honors in the Bermuda 1-2 race twice and class honors four times. She has sailed short handed to the Caribbean for a family sabbatical. This a true, fast, ocean passage-maker. The Ketch rig features two carbon fiber free standing masts with fully battened sails. All lines are led to the cockpit so all sail handling including raising, lowering, reefing, vangs, and sheeting is all done from the safety of the cockpit. Reefing is single line with two reefs easily set in each sail in seconds. Each sail is set to take a third reef as well. A custom carbon fiber, retractable bow sprit designed by TPI engineering is installed for a permanently set roller furling jib which enhances up wind and reaching performance by almost one knot. It also helps with balance and helps to minimize loading on the autopilot. This knowledgeable owner has upgraded the boom vang attachments with high load deck mounted padeyes. He has also reinforced the keel mounted mast step arrangements with glass, epoxy, and an anti-rotation through bolt.




Full battened North mainsail- 1994 recut 1998. Full battened North mizzen- 1994 recut in 1998. Roller furling jib - North Medium nylon staysail - Haarstick Large nylon staysail - Haarstick Schaefer roller furler Spare halyards set with messengers Boom preventers mounted ready on booms Windex mounted on mizzen masthead



Deck and HullThe Freedom 44 is a very solid cruiser, heavily built by TPI. She has a skeg hung rudder for added cruising safety and a solid fiberglass rub rail with stainless steel nosing protects the hull from pilings. An aluminum toe rail is very useful and strong and her cambered deck house and wavebreak enhance her comfort at sea and protect her cockpit. Extra winches are added on the cockpit coamings and the main and mizzen sheets are aft for easy control from the helm. The best feature of the deck is the cockpit. The cockpit is long and accommodates a crowd easily. There is a large varnished permanently mounted cockpit table with two leaves so 8 can dine in comfort. The cockpit has a tee shape so the helmsman can sit outboard on curved seats or stand straight and comfortably to leeward on an angled non-skid floor. This is the first yacht I have listed where the ground tackle deserves its own paragraph. There are three anchor rollers forward witha 55# Bruce set up on 300’ of chain with 200’ of rode. A second rode is ready for deployment on the port side with 50’ chain and 200’ of rode. A Fortress anchor is secured ready at bow rail. In the stern, a permanently mounted reel with 250’ of 3/4" high strength flat nylon ribbon is ready for a second Fortress anchor. There is also a 60# folding Luke storm anchor. Ground tackle is handled by manual S-L double action two speed windlass. Note that brand new electrical vertical windlass is available but not yet mounted.




Hull is light gray gel coat Deck is white with light gray non-skid Masts are painted white Canvas is light gray Dodger with leather covered grab rails Bimini Canvas cover for main hatch with protective sides Covers for all winches Cockpit cushions


4 Barient # 27 self-tailing winches 2 Barient # 21 self-tailing winches Salt water pressure washdown Hot and cold pressure water cockpit shower Globe Master binnacle compass from Ritchie Separate Goiot compass can be mounted at companionway or nav station Three large stainless dorades on teak boxes with guards Three additional vents



MiscellaneousBroker’s comments: This is a real opportunity to own a rare and desirable cruiser/racer. This boat is well thought out and well equipped and ready to go. Don’t delay. Please note that this listing is still preliminary and will be updated again soon.




9’ Avon inflatable dinghy with floors 6hp Mariner outboard Switlik 6 Person Life raft in cannister permanently mounted on deck Teak swim ladder MOM 8A on stern rail Lifesling Radar reflector mounted on mizzen Fenders and Dock lines Coast Guard Safety package Fire Extinguishers Lifejackets


Owner’s personal effects are excluded



DisclaimerThe Company offers the details of this vessel in good faith but cannot guarantee or warrant the accuracy of this information nor warrant the condition of the vessel. A buyer should instruct his agents, or his surveyors, to investigate such details as the buyer desires validated. This vessel is offered subject to prior sale, price change, or withdrawal without notice.

Last Revised: Jul 08, 2003










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Posted by willie doyle (williedoylemom@…>)
Dave, I don’t know why some Freedoms take so long to sell. We are absolutely over the moon about our new “Vesper.” Such a comfortable, roomy, easy boat to sail. Lots of storage. Our came with all sorts of goodies since she’d been shipped to Germany and then sailed back across the pond to Atlantic City in 2000 were the fellow we bought it from fell in love with it. Just as we did in R.I. Yup, Liberty is a dandy boat. The owner kindly took us out for a sail so we could see how the tiny (to us!) jib did when sheeted back to winches. The hardware for a self tacking system is still in place but, obviously, the first owner - ther German fellow- preferred it on genoa tracks. As do we, recovering racers that we are. But we bought the F35 because it has all the things we need for possible geriatric sailing!! Call us if you get to St. Pete - 727 822 8383. FaithDave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@…> wrote: She’s just been trucked down to her new home port of St. Petersburg.> > Faith,One of our vendors is twisting my arm to do the St Pete show with him. We used to keep a race boat in St Pete so I’m pretty familiar with the area. Be nice to meet up if there’s time. Not sure if I’m going out there or not. Right now I’m getting ready for Thailand to attend the dedication of our new loft.I agree with your assessment of
Liberty. She seems like a pretty nice boat. I think there was a pretty good track system for the main. Scratching my head but I think it had a conventional genoa setup but it’s been about 8 months since I’ve seen it. Hopefully someone buys it and goes sailing. There was a 35 for sale near me in Seattle that was on the market for quite some time. Seems like they take a long time to sell. I tried to get a friend of mine to buy it.
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