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Posted by rnld_brr (rwhb@…>)

Does anyone know what the true dimensions of this are supposed to be.
I’ve contacted the guru Dave Bierig who made it and he sent me the
dimensions for the sail pocket. I think our spar is very very bent,
the sail won’t flip over when tacking easily and the jib looks very
curved and sags when furled. However even his pocket dimensions are
marked “approximate” and “rule of thumb”! Has anyone tried to
straighten theirs and if so how? The maximum offset seems to be about
7-8% of the length - can anyone confirm that for me?

Thanks

Ron Barr
F32 Liberte Newport RI
Bouncing around in 40k gusts!

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Posted by Brian (sailordude@…>)

Ron

My F32 and F36 had the same problem. I put slack in the forstay so that at sholder hight, it could be easily moved about a foot. On on the 36, when I had a new sail made, I found the batten was not arched properly. I replaced the batten and the problem was resolved. When you look at the batten outside of the sail it has a very exagerated foil shape. Since it is held more vertically when the jib is tightly sheeted as a result of the little lever at the back end of the batten. But when you sheet out and even go wing on wing, there will be a lot of curve in the jib. I wish I could put similar camber in my sails as I sheet out.

Brian

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Does anyone know what the true dimensions of this are supposed to be.I’ve contacted the guru Dave Bierig who made it and he sent me thedimensions for the sail pocket. I think our spar is very very bent,the sail won’t flip over when tacking easily and the jib looks verycurved and sags when furled. However even his pocket dimensions aremarked “approximate” and “rule of thumb”! Has anyone tried tostraighten theirs and if so how? The maximum offset seems to be about7-8% of the length - can anyone confirm that for me?ThanksRon BarrF32 Liberte Newport RIBouncing around in 40k gusts!

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Posted by ron barr (rwhb@…>)


Yes but I refuse to believe that ours is OK. The center
offset is supposed to be about 1/12 the length of 8ft. Ours is so curved that
it is about 7’6” and the offset is almost 22 inches instead of what
about 8”??

Ron
Hoyt F32
Newport RI

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Posted by Thomas Wales (twales@…>)

Hi Ron,
I just measured my camber spar (brought it home to re-paint).
The length measured in the straight line from end to end
(not following the curve) is about 7’ 4" and the offset at the
highest point is about 14". Your length seems correct, but the
offset is funky.
My jib works fine and looks ok. I don’t know what else to
suggest. I’m surprised the Biereg doesn’t have better information.
Good luck,
TW, '84 F32 #20
Pemaquid, ME



At 02:32 PM 10/29/2008, you wrote:

Yes but I refuse to believe that ours is OK. The center offset is
supposed to be about 1/12 the length of 8ft. Ours is so curved that
it is about 7’6" and the offset is almost 22 inches instead of what
about 8"??

Ron

Hoyt F32

Newport RI

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Posted by Scott Forgey (jsforgey@…>)


I am going to have to measure mine and let you know.

I had Dave make me a new one. He sent it with a bill and
note that he made it “more sturdy” and increased the diameter of
the pipe. It looks great but when I put it on and use it under sail the
end of it hit the mast. YIKES! What’s that clunking!

I think the length is adjustable but I will measure it and
hopefully adjust it tomorrow.

We are going to sail by the Ft. Lauderdale “boat”
show…$2B of boats…mostly huge…but a few interesting sail
boats.

Scott
Girlfriend F-32 (Hoyt)

Scott Forgey
21362 Summertrace Circle
Boca Raton, FL 33428

561.445.5179
skype: sforgey1

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what’s missing!”

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Ron

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My
F32 and F36 had the same problem. I put slack in the forstay so that at
sholder hight, it could be easily moved about a foot. On on the 36, when
I had a new sail made, I found the batten was not arched properly. I
replaced the batten and the problem was resolved. When you look
at the batten outside of the sail it has a very exagerated foil shape.
Since it is held more vertically when the jib is tightly sheeted as a result of
the little lever at the back end of the batten. But when you sheet out
and even go wing on wing, there will be a lot of curve in the jib. I wish
I could put similar camber in my sails as I sheet out.

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Does anyone know what the true dimensions of
this are supposed to be.
I’ve contacted the guru Dave Bierig who made it and he sent me the
dimensions for the sail pocket. I think our spar is very very bent,
the sail won’t flip over when tacking easily and the jib looks very
curved and sags when furled. However even his pocket dimensions are
marked “approximate” and “rule of thumb”! Has anyone tried
to
straighten theirs and if so how? The maximum offset seems to be about
7-8% of the length - can anyone confirm that for me?

Thanks

Ron Barr
F32 Liberte Newport RI
Bouncing around in 40k gusts!



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Posted by Thomas Wales (twales@…>)

Hi Scott,
When mine hits the mast, I can correct
it by tightening the jib halyard until it
clears. You might want to give that a try.
Good luck.
TW F32 Anoush Koon
Pemaquid ME



At 11:55 AM 10/31/2008, you wrote:

I am going to have to measure mine and let you know.

I had Dave make me a new one. He sent it with a
bill and note that he made it “more sturdy” and
increased the diameter of the pipe. It looks
great but when I put it on and use it under sail
the end of it hit the mast. YIKES! What’s that clunking!

I think the length is adjustable but I will
measure it and hopefully adjust it tomorrow.

We are going to sail by the Ft. Lauderdale
“boat” show…$2B of boats…mostly huge…but a few interesting sail boats.

Scott

Girlfriend F-32 (Hoyt)

Scott Forgey

21362 Summertrace Circle

Boca Raton, FL 33428

561.445.5179

skype: sforgey1

“Nothing is ever wrong in the universe, there is only what’s missing!”

                 W. Erhard

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[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:41 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] camber spar on F32

Ron

My F32 and F36 had the same problem. I put
slack in the forstay so that at sholder hight,
it could be easily moved about a foot. On on
the 36, when I had a new sail made, I found the
batten was not arched properly. I replaced the
batten and the problem was resolved. When you
look at the batten outside of the sail it has a
very exagerated foil shape. Since it is held
more vertically when the jib is tightly sheeted
as a result of the little lever at the back end
of the batten. But when you sheet out and even
go wing on wing, there will be a lot of curve in
the jib. I wish I could put similar camber in my sails as I sheet out.

Brian

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Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] camber spar on F32

Does anyone know what the true dimensions of this are supposed to be.
I’ve contacted the guru Dave Bierig who made it and he sent me the
dimensions for the sail pocket. I think our spar is very very bent,
the sail won’t flip over when tacking easily and the jib looks very
curved and sags when furled. However even his pocket dimensions are
marked “approximate” and “rule of thumb”! Has anyone tried to
straighten theirs and if so how? The maximum offset seems to be about
7-8% of the length - can anyone confirm that for me?

Thanks

Ron Barr
F32 Liberte Newport RI
Bouncing around in 40k gusts!

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Posted by Scott Forgey (jsforgey@…>)


Thanks for the tip.

The other camberspar never hit. I will check that out and
see if that makes a difference. I never pull the jib halyard more than
hand tight, as tensioning the jib halyard sounded like a bad Idea.

Am I mistaken?

It looked like the aft end was adjustable. Taking the damn
thing out of the pocket to do that is not on my list of great things to do on a
Saturday.

Scott Forgey
21362 Summertrace Circle
Boca Raton, FL 33428

561.445.5179
skype: sforgey1

“Nothing is ever wrong in the universe, there is only
what’s missing!”

W. Erhard



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Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 3:57 PM
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Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] camber spar on F32

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Hi Scott,
When mine hits the mast, I can correct
it by tightening the jib halyard until it
clears. You might want to give that a try.
Good luck.
TW F32 Anoush Koon
Pemaquid ME

At 11:55 AM 10/31/2008, you wrote:

I am going to have to measure mine and let you know.

I had Dave make me a new one. He sent it with a
bill and note that he made it “more sturdy” and
increased the diameter of the pipe. It looks
great but when I put it on and use it under sail
the end of it hit the mast. YIKES! What’s that clunking!

I think the length is adjustable but I will
measure it and hopefully adjust it tomorrow.

We are going to sail by the Ft. Lauderdale
“boat” show…$2B of boats…mostly huge…but a
few interesting sail boats.

Scott

Girlfriend F-32 (Hoyt)

Scott Forgey

21362 Summertrace Circle

Boca Raton, FL 33428

561.445.5179

skype: sforgey1

“Nothing is ever wrong in the universe, there is only what’s
missing!”

W. Erhard

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On Behalf Of Brian
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:41 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] camber spar on F32

Ron

My F32 and F36 had the same problem. I put
slack in the forstay so that at sholder hight,
it could be easily moved about a foot. On on
the 36, when I had a new sail made, I found the
batten was not arched properly. I replaced the
batten and the problem was resolved. When you
look at the batten outside of the sail it has a
very exagerated foil shape. Since it is held
more vertically when the jib is tightly sheeted
as a result of the little lever at the back end
of the batten. But when you sheet out and even
go wing on wing, there will be a lot of curve in
the jib. I wish I could put similar camber in my sails as I sheet out.

Brian

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Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] camber spar on F32

Does anyone know what the true dimensions of this are supposed to be.
I’ve contacted the guru Dave Bierig who made it and he sent me the
dimensions for the sail pocket. I think our spar is very very bent,
the sail won’t flip over when tacking easily and the jib looks very
curved and sags when furled. However even his pocket dimensions are
marked “approximate” and “rule of thumb”! Has anyone
tried to
straighten theirs and if so how? The maximum offset seems to be about
7-8% of the length - can anyone confirm that for me?

Thanks

Ron Barr
F32 Liberte Newport RI
Bouncing around in 40k gusts!

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Posted by Bob Weeks (rweeks6508@…>)


You can adjust the length at the aft end
of the spar. Unfortunately the prior owner did not know that and used a saw
instead so now the spar is too short for the new sail I had made per specs.
You can drill out the pop rivets and move the ends in and out is what I did but
I am still short by an inch or so.

Bob





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4:27 PM
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Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
camber spar on F32





Thanks for the tip.

The other camberspar never hit. I will check that out and
see if that makes a difference. I never pull the jib halyard more than
hand tight, as tensioning the jib halyard sounded like a bad Idea.

Am I mistaken?

It looked like the aft end was adjustable. Taking the damn
thing out of the pocket to do that is not on my list of great things to do on a
Saturday.

Scott Forgey

21362 Summertrace Circle

Boca Raton, FL 33428

561.445.5179

skype: sforgey1

“Nothing is ever wrong in the universe,
there is only what’s missing!”

W. Erhard




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[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Wales
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008
3:57 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
camber spar on F32

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Hi Scott,
When mine hits the mast, I can correct
it by tightening the jib halyard until it
clears. You might want to give that a try.
Good luck.
TW F32 Anoush Koon
Pemaquid ME

At 11:55 AM 10/31/2008, you wrote:

I am going to have to measure mine and let you know.

I had Dave make me a new one. He sent it with a
bill and note that he made it “more sturdy” and
increased the diameter of the pipe. It looks
great but when I put it on and use it under sail
the end of it hit the mast. YIKES! What’s that clunking!

I think the length is adjustable but I will
measure it and hopefully adjust it tomorrow.

We are going to sail by the Ft.
Lauderdale
“boat” show…$2B of boats…mostly huge…but a few interesting sail boats.

Scott

Girlfriend F-32 (Hoyt)

Scott Forgey

21362 Summertrace Circle

Boca Raton, FL 33428

561.445.5179

skype: sforgey1

“Nothing is ever wrong in the universe, there is only what’s
missing!”

W. Erhard

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On Behalf Of Brian
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:41 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] camber spar on F32

Ron

My F32 and F36 had the same problem. I put
slack in the forstay so that at sholder hight,
it could be easily moved about a foot. On on
the 36, when I had a new sail made, I found the
batten was not arched properly. I replaced the
batten and the problem was resolved. When you
look at the batten outside of the sail it has a
very exagerated foil shape. Since it is held
more vertically when the jib is tightly sheeted
as a result of the little lever at the back end
of the batten. But when you sheet out and even
go wing on wing, there will be a lot of curve in
the jib. I wish I could put similar camber in my sails as I sheet out.

Brian

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Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] camber spar on F32

Does anyone know what the true dimensions of this are supposed to be.
I’ve contacted the guru Dave Bierig who made it and he sent me the
dimensions for the sail pocket. I think our spar is very very bent,
the sail won’t flip over when tacking easily and the jib looks very
curved and sags when furled. However even his pocket dimensions are
marked “approximate” and “rule of thumb”! Has anyone
tried to
straighten theirs and if so how? The maximum offset seems to be about
7-8% of the length - can anyone confirm that for me?

Thanks

Ron Barr
F32 Liberte Newport RI
Bouncing around in 40k gusts!

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Posted by Scott Forgey (jsforgey@…>)


Bob,

I had to get a new one because it just froze up and would not
flip. I drilled the rivets. I soaked it in a number of concoctions,
did everything but it was fused solid! I would have used some dynamite if
I could’ve got my hands on some.

Four hundred dollars later I have a new one. I think that
Dave sent me a diagram with dimensions. I will check and upload it to the
web site.

Dave is really great in a grumpy old man sort of way.

Cheers,

Scott Forgey
21362 Summertrace Circle
Boca Raton, FL 33428

561.445.5179
skype: sforgey1

“Nothing is ever wrong in the universe, there is only
what’s missing!”

W. Erhard



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Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:04 PM
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You can
adjust the length at the aft end of the spar. Unfortunately the prior
owner did not know that and used a saw instead so now the spar is too short for
the new sail I had made per specs. You can drill out the pop rivets and
move the ends in and out is what I did but I am still short by an inch or
so.

Bob





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[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Forgey
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:27 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] camber spar on F32





Thanks for the tip.

The other camberspar never hit. I
will check that out and see if that makes a difference. I never pull the
jib halyard more than hand tight, as tensioning the jib halyard sounded like a bad
Idea.

Am I mistaken?

It looked like the aft end was
adjustable. Taking the damn thing out of the pocket to do that is not on
my list of great things to do on a Saturday.

Scott Forgey
21362 Summertrace Circle
Boca Raton, FL 33428

561.445.5179
skype: sforgey1

“Nothing is ever wrong in the
universe, there is only what’s missing!”

W. Erhard



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Behalf Of Thomas Wales
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 3:57 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] camber spar on F32

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Hi Scott,
When mine hits the mast, I can correct
it by tightening the jib halyard until it
clears. You might want to give that a try.
Good luck.
TW F32 Anoush Koon
Pemaquid ME

At 11:55 AM 10/31/2008, you wrote:

I am going to have to measure mine and let you know.

I had Dave make me a new one. He sent it with a
bill and note that he made it “more sturdy” and
increased the diameter of the pipe. It looks
great but when I put it on and use it under sail
the end of it hit the mast. YIKES! What’s that clunking!

I think the length is adjustable but I will
measure it and hopefully adjust it tomorrow.

We are going to sail by the Ft. Lauderdale
“boat” show…$2B of boats…mostly huge…but a
few interesting sail boats.

Scott

Girlfriend F-32 (Hoyt)

Scott Forgey

21362 Summertrace Circle

Boca Raton, FL 33428

561.445.5179

skype: sforgey1

“Nothing is ever wrong in the universe, there is only what’s
missing!”

W. Erhard

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Brian
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:41 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] camber spar on F32

Ron

My F32 and F36 had the same problem. I put
slack in the forstay so that at sholder hight,
it could be easily moved about a foot. On on
the 36, when I had a new sail made, I found the
batten was not arched properly. I replaced the
batten and the problem was resolved. When you
look at the batten outside of the sail it has a
very exagerated foil shape. Since it is held
more vertically when the jib is tightly sheeted
as a result of the little lever at the back end
of the batten. But when you sheet out and even
go wing on wing, there will be a lot of curve in
the jib. I wish I could put similar camber in my sails as I sheet out.

Brian

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Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] camber spar on F32

Does anyone know what the true dimensions of this are supposed to be.
I’ve contacted the guru Dave Bierig who made it and he sent me the
dimensions for the sail pocket. I think our spar is very very bent,
the sail won’t flip over when tacking easily and the jib looks very
curved and sags when furled. However even his pocket dimensions are
marked “approximate” and “rule of thumb”! Has anyone
tried to
straighten theirs and if so how? The maximum offset seems to be about
7-8% of the length - can anyone confirm that for me?

Thanks

Ron Barr
F32 Liberte Newport RI
Bouncing around in 40k gusts!

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Posted by ron barr (rwhb@…>)


Hitting the mast is certainly not the issue since the spar
has excessive camber thereby shortening it. The sail and battens are new this
year. Measuring the offset at the center it is approximately 23”, whereas
1/12 the length of approximately 8ft = 8”!!!

I guess my question is how the heck to straighten i? Beirig
talks about putting it under the stairs and levering it – my wife does
not approve needless to say!
Also the camber must not be a consistent one throughout the
length since the luff must be more full. Anybody bent these things back?

Ron
Hoyt F32
Newport RI

11

Posted by Bob Weeks (rweeks6508@…>)


Rather then using aluminum for the spar
has anyone heard of anyone making it from carbon fiber? It would be light,
strong, and it would seem to be more movable in lighter air.

Bob





From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Forgey
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008
10:56 AM
To:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
camber spar on F32





Bob,

I had to get a new one because it just froze up and would not
flip. I drilled the rivets. I soaked it in a number of concoctions,
did everything but it was fused solid! I would have used some dynamite if
I could’ve got my hands on some.

Four hundred dollars later I have a new one. I think that
Dave sent me a diagram with dimensions. I will check and upload it to the
web site.

Dave is really great in a grumpy old man sort of way.

Cheers,

Scott Forgey

21362 Summertrace Circle

Boca Raton, FL 33428

561.445.5179

skype: sforgey1

“Nothing is ever wrong in the universe,
there is only what’s missing!”

W. Erhard




From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Weeks
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008
6:04 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
camber spar on F32

\





You can adjust the length at the aft end of the spar.
Unfortunately the prior owner did not know that and used a saw instead so now
the spar is too short for the new sail I had made per specs. You can
drill out the pop rivets and move the ends in and out is what I did but I am
still short by an inch or so.

Bob





From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Forgey
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008
4:27 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
camber spar on F32





Thanks for the tip.

The other camberspar never hit. I will check that out and
see if that makes a difference. I never pull the jib halyard more than
hand tight, as tensioning the jib halyard sounded like a bad Idea.

Am I mistaken?

It looked like the aft end was adjustable. Taking the damn
thing out of the pocket to do that is not on my list of great things to do on a
Saturday.

Scott Forgey
21362 Summertrace Circle
Boca Raton, FL 33428

561.445.5179
skype: sforgey1

“Nothing is ever wrong in the universe,
there is only what’s missing!”

W. Erhard



From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Wales
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008
3:57 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
camber spar on F32

\




Hi Scott,
When mine hits the mast, I can correct
it by tightening the jib halyard until it
clears. You might want to give that a try.
Good luck.
TW F32 Anoush Koon
Pemaquid ME

At 11:55 AM 10/31/2008, you wrote:

I am going to have to measure mine and let you know.

I had Dave make me a new one. He sent it with a
bill and note that he made it “more sturdy” and
increased the diameter of the pipe. It looks
great but when I put it on and use it under sail
the end of it hit the mast. YIKES! What’s that clunking!

I think the length is adjustable but I will
measure it and hopefully adjust it tomorrow.

We are going to sail by the Ft.
Lauderdale
“boat” show…$2B of boats…mostly huge…but a few interesting sail boats.

Scott

Girlfriend F-32 (Hoyt)

Scott Forgey

21362 Summertrace Circle

Boca Raton, FL 33428

561.445.5179

skype: sforgey1

“Nothing is ever wrong in the universe, there is only what’s
missing!”

W. Erhard

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Brian
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:41 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] camber spar on F32

Ron

My F32 and F36 had the same problem. I put
slack in the forstay so that at sholder hight,
it could be easily moved about a foot. On on
the 36, when I had a new sail made, I found the
batten was not arched properly. I replaced the
batten and the problem was resolved. When you
look at the batten outside of the sail it has a
very exagerated foil shape. Since it is held
more vertically when the jib is tightly sheeted
as a result of the little lever at the back end
of the batten. But when you sheet out and even
go wing on wing, there will be a lot of curve in
the jib. I wish I could put similar camber in my sails as I sheet out.

Brian

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Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] camber spar on F32

Does anyone know what the true dimensions of this are supposed to be.
I’ve contacted the guru Dave Bierig who made it and he sent me the
dimensions for the sail pocket. I think our spar is very very bent,
the sail won’t flip over when tacking easily and the jib looks very
curved and sags when furled. However even his pocket dimensions are
marked “approximate” and “rule of thumb”! Has anyone
tried to
straighten theirs and if so how? The maximum offset seems to be about
7-8% of the length - can anyone confirm that for me?

Thanks

Ron Barr
F32 Liberte Newport RI
Bouncing around in 40k gusts!

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Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)

And about triple the cost. The technical
advantages all come at a price in the sailboat business. Herm

At 05:41 PM 11/2/2008, you wrote:

Rather then using aluminum for the spar has
anyone heard of anyone making it from carbon
fiber? It would be light, strong, and it would
seem to be more movable in lighter air.

Bob

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Forgey
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 10:56 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] camber spar on F32

Bob,

I had to get a new one because it just froze up
and would not flip. I drilled the rivets. I
soaked it in a number of concoctions, did
everything but it was fused solid! I would have
used some dynamite if I could’ve got my hands on some.

Four hundred dollars later I have a new one. I
think that Dave sent me a diagram with
dimensions. I will check and upload it to the web site.

Dave is really great in a grumpy old man sort of way.

Cheers,

Scott Forgey

21362 Summertrace Circle

Boca Raton, FL 33428

561.445.5179

skype: sforgey1

“Nothing is ever wrong in the universe, there is only what’s missing!”

                 W. Erhard

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Weeks
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:04 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] camber spar on F32

You can adjust the length at the aft end of the
spar. Unfortunately the prior owner did not
know that and used a saw instead so now the spar
is too short for the new sail I had made per
specs. You can drill out the pop rivets and
move the ends in and out is what I did but I am still short by an inch or so.

Bob

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Forgey
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:27 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] camber spar on F32

Thanks for the tip.

The other camberspar never hit. I will check
that out and see if that makes a difference. I
never pull the jib halyard more than hand tight,
as tensioning the jib halyard sounded like a bad Idea.

Am I mistaken?

It looked like the aft end was
adjustable. Taking the damn thing out of the
pocket to do that is not on my list of great things to do on a Saturday.

Scott Forgey

21362 Summertrace Circle

Boca Raton, FL 33428

561.445.5179

skype: sforgey1

“Nothing is ever wrong in the universe, there is only what’s missing!”

                 W. Erhard

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Wales
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 3:57 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] camber spar on F32

Hi Scott,
When mine hits the mast, I can correct
it by tightening the jib halyard until it
clears. You might want to give that a try.
Good luck.
TW F32 Anoush Koon
Pemaquid ME

At 11:55 AM 10/31/2008, you wrote:

I am going to have to measure mine and let you know.

I had Dave make me a new one. He sent it with a
bill and note that he made it “more sturdy” and
increased the diameter of the pipe. It looks
great but when I put it on and use it under sail
the end of it hit the mast. YIKES! What’s that clunking!

I think the length is adjustable but I will
measure it and hopefully adjust it tomorrow.

We are going to sail by the Ft. Lauderdale
“boat” show…$2B of boats…mostly huge…but a few interesting sail boats.

Scott

Girlfriend F-32 (Hoyt)

Scott Forgey

21362 Summertrace Circle

Boca Raton, FL 33428

561.445.5179

skype: sforgey1

“Nothing is ever wrong in the universe, there is only what’s missing!”

W. Erhard

From:

mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.comFreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:41 PM
To:

mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.comFreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] camber spar on F32

Ron

My F32 and F36 had the same problem. I put
slack in the forstay so that at sholder hight,
it could be easily moved about a foot. On on
the 36, when I had a new sail made, I found the
batten was not arched properly. I replaced the
batten and the problem was resolved. When you
look at the batten outside of the sail it has a
very exagerated foil shape. Since it is held
more vertically when the jib is tightly sheeted
as a result of the little lever at the back end
of the batten. But when you sheet out and even
go wing on wing, there will be a lot of curve in
the jib. I wish I could put similar camber in my sails as I sheet out.

Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:02 PM

Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] camber spar on F32

Does anyone know what the true dimensions of this are supposed to be.
I’ve contacted the guru Dave Bierig who made it and he sent me the
dimensions for the sail pocket. I think our spar is very very bent,
the sail won’t flip over when tacking easily and the jib looks very
curved and sags when furled. However even his pocket dimensions are
marked “approximate” and “rule of thumb”! Has anyone tried to
straighten theirs and if so how? The maximum offset seems to be about
7-8% of the length - can anyone confirm that for me?

Thanks

Ron Barr
F32 Liberte Newport RI
Bouncing around in 40k gusts!

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Posted by Thomas Wales (twales@…>)

Come’ on Scott…
Think of us poor folks up here in the
frozen north. I’d like nothing better to do on a
Saturday than mess with my camber spar. Is there
anything bad to do in Boca in the winter?..
TW



At 03:27 PM 10/31/2008, you wrote:

Thanks for the tip.

The other camberspar never hit. I will check
that out and see if that makes a difference. I
never pull the jib halyard more than hand tight,
as tensioning the jib halyard sounded like a bad Idea.

Am I mistaken?

It looked like the aft end was
adjustable. Taking the damn thing out of the
pocket to do that is not on my list of great things to do on a Saturday.

Scott Forgey

21362 Summertrace Circle

Boca Raton, FL 33428

561.445.5179

skype: sforgey1

“Nothing is ever wrong in the universe, there is only what’s missing!”

                 W. Erhard

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Wales
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 3:57 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] camber spar on F32

Hi Scott,
When mine hits the mast, I can correct
it by tightening the jib halyard until it
clears. You might want to give that a try.
Good luck.
TW F32 Anoush Koon
Pemaquid ME

At 11:55 AM 10/31/2008, you wrote:

I am going to have to measure mine and let you know.

I had Dave make me a new one. He sent it with a
bill and note that he made it “more sturdy” and
increased the diameter of the pipe. It looks
great but when I put it on and use it under sail
the end of it hit the mast. YIKES! What’s that clunking!

I think the length is adjustable but I will
measure it and hopefully adjust it tomorrow.

We are going to sail by the Ft. Lauderdale
“boat” show…$2B of boats…mostly huge…but a few interesting sail boats.

Scott

Girlfriend F-32 (Hoyt)

Scott Forgey

21362 Summertrace Circle

Boca Raton, FL 33428

561.445.5179

skype: sforgey1

“Nothing is ever wrong in the universe, there is only what’s missing!”

W. Erhard

From:

mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.comFreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:41 PM
To:

mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.comFreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] camber spar on F32

Ron

My F32 and F36 had the same problem. I put
slack in the forstay so that at sholder hight,
it could be easily moved about a foot. On on
the 36, when I had a new sail made, I found the
batten was not arched properly. I replaced the
batten and the problem was resolved. When you
look at the batten outside of the sail it has a
very exagerated foil shape. Since it is held
more vertically when the jib is tightly sheeted
as a result of the little lever at the back end
of the batten. But when you sheet out and even
go wing on wing, there will be a lot of curve in
the jib. I wish I could put similar camber in my sails as I sheet out.

Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:02 PM

Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] camber spar on F32

Does anyone know what the true dimensions of this are supposed to be.
I’ve contacted the guru Dave Bierig who made it and he sent me the
dimensions for the sail pocket. I think our spar is very very bent,
the sail won’t flip over when tacking easily and the jib looks very
curved and sags when furled. However even his pocket dimensions are
marked “approximate” and “rule of thumb”! Has anyone tried to
straighten theirs and if so how? The maximum offset seems to be about
7-8% of the length - can anyone confirm that for me?

Thanks

Ron Barr
F32 Liberte Newport RI
Bouncing around in 40k gusts!

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