Posted by jsforgey (jsforgey@…>)
My camber spar on my Freedom 32 does not pivot on the front part that
joins the Stay. UGH!!!
Ugh!!!
Any suggestions? How is it put togather? I see a rivet on it and a
plastic washer then the metal piece that joins the round wheel to the
stay.
Help!!!
Scott Forgey
Girlfriend
Hull #86
Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
Scott:
The camberspar manual is posted in the Files section of this group’s Yahoo site.
Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio
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My camber spar on my Freedom 32 does not pivot on the front part that joins the Stay. UGH!!!Ugh!!!Any suggestions? How is it put togather? I see a rivet on it and a plastic washer then the metal piece that joins the round wheel to the stay.Help!!!Scott ForgeyGirlfriendHull #86
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Posted by Thomas Wales (twales@…>)
Scott,
The metal piece is called the retainer clip which fits in front of the stay
so that the stay is between the wheel and the clip. It is attached to the
sail and the roller, through a cringle with a bolt and a locking type of
nut which does not have to be over tightened. The retainer clip insures
that the sail will slide easily up and down the stay and pivot
appropriately. Perhaps you’ve got the nut too tight on the bolt. The
attachment is fairly intuitive.
Good luck,
TW F32 #20 Anoush Koon
Pemaquid, ME
At 09:00 PM 9/22/2006 +0000, you wrote:
My camber spar on my Freedom 32 does not pivot on the front part that
joins the Stay. UGH!!!Ugh!!!
Any suggestions? How is it put togather? I see a rivet on it and a
plastic washer then the metal piece that joins the round wheel to the
stay.Help!!!
Scott Forgey
Girlfriend
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Posted by jsforgey@… (jsforgey@…)
The problem is not with the retainer clip, but the pivoting of the entire spar from where the clip is attached to the spar.
Simply put, it will not fall to one side or the other, but twists the stay sideways.
Is the whole front part (clip, wheel) supposed to pivot or turn at the connection to the spar?
It sure seems frozen. Like not moving.
Also, the diagram for the Camberspar on the group file section shows the schematics for the aft end of the spar, but not the inside of the fore end of the spar.
Thanks for your response.
Scott
Girlfriend
Freedom 32
Posted by jsforgey@… (jsforgey@…)
By the way, the pictures that you graciously sent through the web did not make the digital voyage intact.
If not too much trouble, could you send them again.
Thanks
Scott
Girlfriend
Posted by Fargo Rousseau (fargo_r@…>)
Hi Scott:I presume that your CamberSpar is like mine, so this might be helpful. The “clip” on my system is a formed Stainless Steel bracket, like a small slice of bread folded in half. The radius of the front part of the fold is sized to wrap around the standard forestay wire…with a little clearance. This “clip” should slide up and down on the wire freely and rotate around the wire without binding. The “clip” widens a little bit aft of the wire so that it can hold a simple groved pulley that is mounted on the front of the boom. A single bolt holds these two pieces together and attaches this assembly to the sail. There are four types of motion, three of which should be completely free. 1. The “clip” be able to move freely up and down the wire as the sail is hauled up (and as it surges a bit with changing luff tension and sail luff stretch). As the clip moves, it is supposed to roll on the pulley freely.2. The “clip”
(and the attached boom) should also be able to rotate around the wire. There should be no twist (torque) imparted to the wire stay.3. The boom, which is attached to the pulley bracket, should be able to swing up and down, with a little binding, on the bolt.4. The boom should freely rotate in its socket which attached to the pulley bracket. Only the sail pocket should limit the amount of rotation as the jib tacks back and forth. It sounds like you have a binding boom socket. If so, then that has to be fixed. I have never opened mine so cannot help you. Hopefully someone in the group can advise.FargoF30#12jsforgey@… wrote: The problem is not with the retainer clip, but the pivoting of the entire spar from where the clip is attached to the spar. Simply put, it will not fall to one side or the other, but twists the stay sideways. Is the whole front part (clip, wheel) supposed to pivot or turn at the connection to the spar? It sure seems frozen. Like not moving. Also, the diagram for the Camberspar on the group file section shows the schematics for the aft end of the spar, but not the inside of the fore end of the spar. Thanks for your response. Scott
Girlfriend Freedom 32
Posted by jsforgey@… (jsforgey@…)
Thank you for your reply. I am going to take it off next week and bring it home.
I will use my Dad’s motto:
“If it doesn’t work, get a bigger hammer. If it breaks, it needs replacing anyway.”
We shall see if I can get it unfrozen at the forestay.
I will upload pictures of the innards if’n I have to dismantle it.
Scott
Girlfriend
F-32
Posted by fshellab (nshellab2@…>)
I’ve got a slightly different problem with the front end of my camber
spar. It has chafed most of the way through the jib stay! I leave my
sails rigged and the bottom end of the sleeve over the jib stay bites
into the stay when it is furled. I am going to call the riggers to
replace it, of course, but I need to fix the problem because this has
happened before. I reviewed the stuff in the files (Thanks Al Lorman!)
and this thread and it’s possible that the bolt is tightened too
tightly so that the sleeve does not pivot to align with the spar. It’s
also possible that the jib stay is too loose so that it sags with the
weight of the sail creating a bend in the wire for the fitting to rest
on and bite into. I’ll be at the boat Saturday and check these things,
but are there any more ideas?
Nan Shellabarger
Freedom 28’ sloop Mutima
Bodkin Creek
Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
Nan:
If I had to guess, I’d say your sleeve is too tight; it should pivot freely. I’m having a hard time imagining how there would be enough chafe to cut through a wire stay. I plan to be at my boat this weekend and I’ll take some photos and the fitting and note how much it pivots.
Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio
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I’ve got a slightly different problem with the front end of my camberspar. It has chafed most of the way through the jib stay! I leave mysails rigged and the bottom end of the sleeve over the jib stay bitesinto the stay when it is furled. I am going to call the riggers toreplace it, of course, but I need to fix the problem because this hashappened before. I reviewed the stuff in the files (Thanks Al Lorman!)and this thread and it’s possible that the bolt is tightened tootightly so that the sleeve does not pivot to align with the spar. It’salso possible that the jib stay is too loose so that it sags with theweight of the sail creating a bend in the wire for the fitting to reston and bite into. I’ll be at the boat Saturday and check these things,but are there any more ideas?Nan ShellabargerFreedom 28’ sloop MutimaBodkin Creek
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Posted by Thomas Wales (twales@…>)
The stay should mostly contact the sheave opposite the retainer clip. My
sheave (pully) is plastic and I have not experienced any wear on the
forestay. The forestay should be somewhat loose as its purpose is to hold
the jib. You must have too much tension on the camberspar when you have
the sail furled.
TW F32 #20
Anoush Koon
Pemaquid
At 01:21 PM 9/29/2006 +0000, you wrote:
I’ve got a slightly different problem with the front end of my camber
spar. It has chafed most of the way through the jib stay! I leave my
sails rigged and the bottom end of the sleeve over the jib stay bites
into the stay when it is furled. I am going to call the riggers to
replace it, of course, but I need to fix the problem because this has
happened before. I reviewed the stuff in the files (Thanks Al Lorman!)
and this thread and it’s possible that the bolt is tightened too
tightly so that the sleeve does not pivot to align with the spar. It’s
also possible that the jib stay is too loose so that it sags with the
weight of the sail creating a bend in the wire for the fitting to rest
on and bite into. I’ll be at the boat Saturday and check these things,
but are there any more ideas?Nan Shellabarger
Freedom 28’ sloop Mutima
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Posted by Fargo Rousseau (fargo_r@…>)
Nan:I notice a SINGLE broken (chafed?) wire on the forestay just as it exits the swedge fitting. I suspected that it was caused by the camberspar “sleeve” but have no clear evidence of this. The previous owner had placed a hose clamp around the swedge fitting just below the wire, and let the lower jib hank and “sleeve” decend down to this clamp. He may have been trying to keep the sleeve away from the swedge fittling.I replace the wire and turnbuckle before leaving Florida for New England. But I also decided to make and “improvement” in the system. I bought a piece of the toughest white hose I could find with an internal diameter just large enough to slide over the turnbuckle. I cut it to a length that extends from the base of the turnbuckle all the way up to a location just below where the first jib hank attaches to the forestay when the sail hoisted. The upper end of the hose is protected by a a nylon hose fitting that fits
tight inside the hose and has an internal hole large enough to slide the stay threaded stay fitting through. This has worked well. It protects the wire termial and keeps the boom up off the deck, giving a little more clear for anchoring, etc. So…it may well be a real improvement. Only time will tell.FargoF30#12 NARISA"Lorman, Alvin J." <ajlorman@…> wrote: Nan: If I had to guess, I’d say your sleeve is too tight; it should pivot freely. I’m having a hard time imagining how there would be enough chafe to cut through a wire stay. I plan to be at my boat this weekend and I’ll take some photos and the fitting and note how much it pivots. Al Lorman F30 Ab Initio -----Original
Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of fshellabSent: Friday, September 29, 2006 9:22 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Camber Spar I’ve got a slightly different problem with the front end of my camberspar. It has chafed most of the way through the jib stay! I leave mysails rigged and the bottom end of the sleeve over the jib stay bitesinto the stay when it is furled. I am going to call the riggers toreplace it, of course, but I need to fix the problem because this hashappened before. I reviewed the stuff in the files (Thanks Al Lorman!)and this thread and it’s possible that the bolt is tightened tootightly so that the sleeve does not pivot to align with the spar. It’salso possible that the jib stay
is too loose so that it sags with theweight of the sail creating a bend in the wire for the fitting to reston and bite into. I’ll be at the boat Saturday and check these things,but are there any more ideas?Nan ShellabargerFreedom 28’ sloop MutimaBodkin Creek IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing
(by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Posted by Herman Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “fshellab” <nshellab2@…>
wrote:
I’ve got a slightly different problem with the front end of my
camber
spar. It has chafed most of the way through the jib stay! I
leave my
sails rigged and the bottom end of the sleeve over the jib stay
bites
into the stay when it is furled. I am going to call the riggers to
replace it, of course, but I need to fix the problem because this
has
happened before. I reviewed the stuff in the files (Thanks Al
Lorman!)
and this thread and it’s possible that the bolt is tightened too
tightly so that the sleeve does not pivot to align with the spar.
It’s
also possible that the jib stay is too loose so that it sags with
the
weight of the sail creating a bend in the wire for the fitting to
rest
on and bite into. I’ll be at the boat Saturday and check these
things,
but are there any more ideas?Nan Shellabarger
Freedom 28’ sloop Mutima
Bodkin Creek
I have MULL-designed Freedom 28. I put a plastic caster wheel (only)
that I had intended for preventing genoas from being punctured by
being put on shrouds above the spreader on a previous boat. My
camber-spar fitting dropped over the turnbuckle when I dropped the
jib, then jammed the next time I tried to raise it. The caster wheel
once intended for the shrouds prevented the thing from jamming on
the turnbuckle. Note, the commercial product meant for shrouds is a
two-piece unit. I sawed the caster wheel in half, and screwed it
back together on the jibstay with Stainless Steel sheet metal screws.
I hope this also helps. Herm SV Impulse28
Posted by mike cunningham (seychellois_lib@…>)
I had the same problem years ago. I solved it by using a 1 inch length of fuel hose (thick wall) and cut it down one side so that I could wrap it around the stay just above the turnbuckle. I then used whipping twine and wrapped the hose tightly from top to bottom. This little stopper has been in place for five years now and works like a charm.Mike----- Original Message ----From: Fargo Rousseau <fargo_r@…>To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:26:03 PMSubject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Camber
Spar
Nan:I notice a SINGLE broken (chafed?) wire on the forestay just as it exits the swedge fitting. I suspected that it was caused by the camberspar “sleeve” but have no clear evidence of this. The previous owner had placed a hose clamp around the swedge fitting just below the wire, and let the lower jib hank and “sleeve” decend down to this clamp. He may have been trying to keep the sleeve away from the swedge fittling.I replace the wire and turnbuckle before leaving Florida for New England. But I also decided to make and “improvement” in the system. I bought a piece of the toughest white hose I could find with an internal diameter just large enough to slide over the turnbuckle. I cut it to a length that extends from the base of the turnbuckle all the way up to a location just below where the first jib hank attaches to the forestay when the sail hoisted. The upper end of the hose is protected by a a nylon hose
fitting that fits
tight inside the hose and has an internal hole large enough to slide the stay threaded stay fitting through. This has worked well. It protects the wire termial and keeps the boom up off the deck, giving a little more clear for anchoring, etc. So…it may well be a real improvement. Only time will tell.FargoF30#12 NARISA"Lorman, Alvin J." <ajlorman@yahoo. com> wrote: Nan: If I had to guess, I’d say your sleeve is too tight; it should pivot freely. I’m having a hard
time imagining how there would be enough chafe to cut through a wire stay. I plan to be at my boat this weekend and I’ll take some photos and the fitting and note how much it pivots. Al Lorman F30 Ab Initio -----Original
Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:freedomyach ts2003@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of fshellabSent: Friday, September 29, 2006 9:22 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@ yahoogroups. comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Camber Spar I’ve got a slightly different problem with the front end of my camberspar. It has chafed most of the way through the jib stay! I leave mysails rigged and the bottom end of the sleeve over the jib stay bitesinto the stay when it is furled. I am going to call the riggers toreplace it, of course, but I need to fix the problem because this hashappened before. I reviewed the stuff in the files (Thanks Al Lorman!)and this thread and it’s possible that the bolt is tightened tootightly so that the sleeve does not pivot to align with the spar. It’salso possible that the jib stay
is too loose so that it sags with theweight of the sail creating a bend in the wire for the fitting to reston and bite into. I’ll be at the boat Saturday and check these things,but are there any more ideas?Nan ShellabargerFreedom 28’ sloop MutimaBodkin Creek IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing
(by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Posted by Dave Evans (dave@…>)
The rigger added one of these “line stoppers” on the forestay last
time I had one made – http://www.sailonset.com/DCP_2251x300.jpg.
dge
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, mike cunningham
<seychellois_lib@…> wrote:
I had the same problem years ago. I solved it by using a 1 inch
length of fuel hose (thick wall) and cut it down one side so that I
could wrap it around the stay just above the turnbuckle. I then used
whipping twine and wrapped the hose tightly from top to bottom. This
little stopper has been in place for five years now and works like a
charm.Mike
----- Original Message ----
From: Fargo Rousseau <fargo_r@…>
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:26:03 PM
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Camber SparNan:I notice a SINGLE broken (chafed?) wire on the forestay just as it
exits the swedge fitting. I suspected that it was caused by the
camberspar “sleeve” but have no clear evidence of this. The
previous owner had placed a hose clamp around the swedge fitting
just below the wire, and let the lower jib hank and “sleeve” decend
down to this clamp. He may have been trying to keep the sleeve away
from the swedge fittling.I replace the wire and turnbuckle before leaving Florida for New
England. But I also decided to make and “improvement” in the
system. I bought a piece of the toughest white hose I could find
with an internal diameter just large enough to slide over the
turnbuckle. I cut it to a length that extends from the base of the
turnbuckle all the way up to a location just below where the first
jib hank attaches to the forestay when the sail hoisted. The upper
end of the hose is protected by a a nylon hose fitting that fits
tight inside the hose and has an internal hole large enough to
slide the stay threaded stay fitting through. This has worked well.
It protects the wire termial and keeps the boom up off the deck,
giving a little more clear for anchoring, etc. So…it may well be
a real improvement. Only time will tell.Fargo
F30#12 NARISA“Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@yahoo. com> wrote:
Nan:
If I had to guess, I’d say your sleeve is too tight; it should
pivot freely. I’m having a hard time imagining how there would be
enough chafe to cut through a wire stay. I plan to be at my boat
this weekend and I’ll take some photos and the fitting and note how
much it pivots.Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio-----Original
Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:freedomyach
ts2003@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of fshellab
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 9:22 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Camber SparI’ve got a slightly different problem with the front end of my
camber
spar. It has chafed most of the way through the jib stay! I leave
my
sails rigged and the bottom end of the sleeve over the jib stay
bites
into the stay when it is furled. I am going to call the riggers to
replace it, of course, but I need to fix the problem because this
has
happened before. I reviewed the stuff in the files (Thanks Al
Lorman!)
and this thread and it’s possible that the bolt is tightened too
tightly so that the sleeve does not pivot to align with the spar.
It’s
also possible that the jib stay
is too loose so that it sags with the
weight of the sail creating a bend in the wire for the fitting to
rest
on and bite into. I’ll be at the boat Saturday and check these
things,
but are there any more ideas?Nan Shellabarger
Freedom 28’ sloop Mutima
Bodkin CreekIRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax
matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer,
Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer
for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under
U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in
promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity,
investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice
was written to support the promotion or marketing
(by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that
transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice
based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent
tax advisor.This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely
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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
I did the same thing with two cable ties.
-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave EvansSent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 10:45 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Camber Spar
The rigger added one of these “line stoppers” on the forestay last time I had one made – http://www.sailonset.com/DCP_2251x300.jpg.dge--- In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, mike cunningham <seychellois_lib@…> wrote:>> I had the same problem years ago. I solved it by using a 1 inch length of fuel hose (thick wall) and cut it down one side so that I could wrap it around the stay just above the turnbuckle. I then used whipping twine and wrapped the hose tightly from top to bottom. This little stopper has been in place for five years now and works like a charm.> > Mike> > ----- Original Message ----> From: Fargo Rousseau <fargo_r@…>> To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:26:03 PM> Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Camber Spar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nan:> > I notice a SINGLE broken (chafed?) wire on the forestay just as it exits the swedge fitting. I suspected that it was caused by the camberspar “sleeve” but have no clear evidence of this. The previous owner had placed a hose clamp around the swedge fitting just below the wire, and let the lower jib hank and “sleeve” decend down to this clamp. He may have been trying to keep the sleeve away from the swedge fittling.> > I replace the wire and turnbuckle before leaving Florida for New England. But I also decided to make and “improvement” in the system. I bought a piece of the toughest white hose I could find with an internal diameter just large enough to slide over the turnbuckle. I cut it to a length that extends from the base of the turnbuckle all the way up to a location just below where the first jib hank attaches to the forestay when the sail hoisted. The upper end of the hose is protected by a a nylon hose fitting that fits> tight inside the hose and has an internal hole large enough to slide the stay threaded stay fitting through. This has worked well. It protects the wire termial and keeps the boom up off the deck, giving a little more clear for anchoring, etc. So…it may well be a real improvement. Only time will tell.> > Fargo> F30#12 NARISA> > > > “Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@yahoo. com> wrote:> > Nan:> > If I had to guess, I’d say your sleeve is too tight; it should pivot freely. I’m having a hard time imagining how there would be enough chafe to cut through a wire stay. I plan to be at my boat this weekend and I’ll take some photos and the fitting and note how much it pivots.> > Al Lorman> F30 Ab Initio> > -----Original> Message-----> From: freedomyachts2003@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:freedomyach ts2003@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of fshellab> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 9:22 AM> To: freedomyachts2003@ yahoogroups. com> Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Camber Spar> > > I’ve got a slightly different problem with the front end of my camber> spar. It has chafed most of the way through the jib stay! I leave my> sails rigged and the bottom end of the sleeve over the jib stay bites> into the stay when it is furled. I am going to call the riggers to> replace it, of course, but I need to fix the problem because this has> happened before. I reviewed the stuff in the files (Thanks Al Lorman!)> and this thread and it’s possible that the bolt is tightened too> tightly so that the sleeve does not pivot to align with the spar. It’s> also possible that the jib stay> is too loose so that it sags with the> weight of the sail creating a bend in the wire for the fitting to rest> on and bite into. I’ll be at the boat Saturday and check these things,> but are there any more ideas?> > Nan Shellabarger> Freedom 28’ sloop Mutima> Bodkin Creek> > > > > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. 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