I wonder whether anyone has compared the two on Freedoms that offered
the option, in particular the F-35. Compared to my F30/32, that boat
has a larger foretriangle (less of a fractional rig) so that a roller-
furler might make sense, provided the jib traveller sheeting allows it
to have a decent shape.
I am considering getting a bigger boat, but like the self-tacking
jib, so the F35 might might sense. Another option is the Tartan 3400.
If anybody has looked at it they will see a lot of things that are
familiar to Freedom owners: carbon-fibre mast (but not free standing),
a furling self-tacking 100 percent jib (but also another larger
headsail on a furler further forward–a Solent rig). It also has an
innovative carbon-fibre boom that allows the sail to fall into it–
sort of a rigid stack-pack.
Paul
F30/32 “Bagatelle” (retrofitted with sugar scoop stern)
In general, if I had a choice between a 100% camberspar or self-
tacking boom with roller furler, I think I’d choose the self tacking
boom. My rationale would be that when I really, really needed a head
sail for upwind work, I could still reduce the size, which you can’t
do with a camberspar. But then I wonder if these jibs are large
enough that I’d want to - or need to - do that anyway. On Friday in
Offsoundings, the wind was definitely gusting to 25, steady around
20, and the number 2 on a Wanderer with one reef in was sufficient
and would have remained so for another 10 knots sustained.
As far as the Tartan 3400 goes, it’s a pretty good looking boat,
open transom, interesting boom. The one across from us in Boston
only has a single headsail on furler, though, I think. I’ll look
again when I get home. I haven’t seen this one under sail, but under
power, it spins on a dime. Of course, I don’t know which keel he
has - I’m going to guess it’s the beavertail shoal draft. But you
can get it with a keel-centerboard as well, which makes it
a ‘performance gunkholer.’
I wonder whether anyone has compared the two on Freedoms that
offered
the option, in particular the F-35. Compared to my F30/32, that
boat
has a larger foretriangle (less of a fractional rig) so that a
roller-
furler might make sense, provided the jib traveller sheeting
allows it
to have a decent shape.
I am considering getting a bigger boat, but like the self-
tacking
jib, so the F35 might might sense. Another option is the Tartan
If anybody has looked at it they will see a lot of things that are
familiar to Freedom owners: carbon-fibre mast (but not free
standing),
a furling self-tacking 100 percent jib (but also another larger
headsail on a furler further forward–a Solent rig). It also has
an
innovative carbon-fibre boom that allows the sail to fall into it–
sort of a rigid stack-pack.
Paul
F30/32 “Bagatelle” (retrofitted with sugar scoop stern)
Lance,
thanks for your input on the Freedom jib and the Tartan. My
preference for the furling jib would be based on not having to go
forward to take down the camberspar jib in a strong blow, especially
when single handed (my autopilot is not too good at keeping her head-
to-wind).
The Tartan’s reacher and fittings are an option, so that it’s
quite possible that the 3400 you saw would not have had a double
headsail.
Paul
In general, if I had a choice between a 100% camberspar or self-
tacking boom with roller furler, I think I’d choose the self
tacking
boom. My rationale would be that when I really, really needed a
head
sail for upwind work, I could still reduce the size, which you
can’t
do with a camberspar. But then I wonder if these jibs are large
enough that I’d want to - or need to - do that anyway. On Friday
in
Offsoundings, the wind was definitely gusting to 25, steady around
20, and the number 2 on a Wanderer with one reef in was sufficient
and would have remained so for another 10 knots sustained.
As far as the Tartan 3400 goes, it’s a pretty good looking boat,
open transom, interesting boom. The one across from us in Boston
only has a single headsail on furler, though, I think. I’ll look
again when I get home. I haven’t seen this one under sail, but
under
power, it spins on a dime. Of course, I don’t know which keel he
has - I’m going to guess it’s the beavertail shoal draft. But you
can get it with a keel-centerboard as well, which makes it
a ‘performance gunkholer.’
I wonder whether anyone has compared the two on Freedoms that
offered
the option, in particular the F-35. Compared to my F30/32, that
boat
has a larger foretriangle (less of a fractional rig) so that a
roller-
furler might make sense, provided the jib traveller sheeting
allows it
to have a decent shape.
I am considering getting a bigger boat, but like the self-
tacking
jib, so the F35 might might sense. Another option is the Tartan
If anybody has looked at it they will see a lot of things that
are
familiar to Freedom owners: carbon-fibre mast (but not free
standing),
a furling self-tacking 100 percent jib (but also another larger
headsail on a furler further forward–a Solent rig). It also
has
an
innovative carbon-fibre boom that allows the sail to fall into
it–
sort of a rigid stack-pack.
Paul
F30/32 “Bagatelle” (retrofitted with sugar scoop stern)
Paul - My wife an I chartered one of the first Freedom 35s built and
we loved it. Thirteen years later, we bought one. One of the things
that attracted us to the particular 35 we bought was the self-tacking
jib on the roller fulling. We found the camberspar made things like
dropping an anchor more difficult because of the space it took up.
Likewise, hoisting vs pulling out a line – the roller furling is much
easier.
However, dead downwind, the camberspar is much better as it serves as
more of a whisker pole and it made going wing on wing literally a
breeze. The dead downwind behavior of the roller furling jib is not
nearly as nice, but I will still take it over the camberspar.
I wonder whether anyone has compared the two on Freedoms that offered
the option, in particular the F-35. Compared to my F30/32, that boat
has a larger foretriangle (less of a fractional rig) so that a roller-
furler might make sense, provided the jib traveller sheeting allows it
to have a decent shape.
I am considering getting a bigger boat, but like the self-tacking
jib, so the F35 might might sense. Another option is the Tartan 3400.
If anybody has looked at it they will see a lot of things that are
familiar to Freedom owners: carbon-fibre mast (but not free standing),
a furling self-tacking 100 percent jib (but also another larger
headsail on a furler further forward–a Solent rig). It also has an
innovative carbon-fibre boom that allows the sail to fall into it–
sort of a rigid stack-pack.
Paul
F30/32 “Bagatelle” (retrofitted with sugar scoop stern)
Mac,
thanks for your advice. I agree, the camberspar gets in the way. And
going dead downwind, the big mainsail is enough to drive the boat,
one can just furl (or take down) the jib. If necessary, one could
just use a whisker pole–I find this useful going wing on wing, even
with the camberspar jib on my boat.
Paul
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “sitchmo” <sylvanm@…>
wrote:
Paul - My wife an I chartered one of the first Freedom 35s built
and
we loved it. Thirteen years later, we bought one. One of the things
that attracted us to the particular 35 we bought was the self-
tacking
jib on the roller fulling. We found the camberspar made things like
dropping an anchor more difficult because of the space it took up.
Likewise, hoisting vs pulling out a line – the roller furling is
much
easier.
However, dead downwind, the camberspar is much better as it serves
as
more of a whisker pole and it made going wing on wing literally a
breeze. The dead downwind behavior of the roller furling jib is not
nearly as nice, but I will still take it over the camberspar.
I wonder whether anyone has compared the two on Freedoms that
offered
the option, in particular the F-35. Compared to my F30/32, that
boat
has a larger foretriangle (less of a fractional rig) so that a
roller-
furler might make sense, provided the jib traveller sheeting
allows it
to have a decent shape.
I am considering getting a bigger boat, but like the self-
tacking
jib, so the F35 might might sense. Another option is the Tartan
If anybody has looked at it they will see a lot of things that
are
familiar to Freedom owners: carbon-fibre mast (but not free
standing),
a furling self-tacking 100 percent jib (but also another larger
headsail on a furler further forward–a Solent rig). It also
has an
innovative carbon-fibre boom that allows the sail to fall into
it–
sort of a rigid stack-pack.
Paul
F30/32 “Bagatelle” (retrofitted with sugar scoop stern)