Posted by Dennis Gunn (dutchharborconanicut@…>)
Just started rigging our cat ketch that we bought over the winter and I have questions already.There are two lines on the mizzen that I haven’t figured out yet. They are just like the upper part of the lazyjacks(vinyl or rubber coated cable) that simply end in an eye, about seven feet off the deck. The difference from the lazyjacks is that these lines come from the top of the mast and don’t have the block at the end. Also,there is another line with each mast set up just as the halyards are. I’m guessing that these were added as topping lifts ,although there were none showing in the original rigging sketches that came with the boat. The previous owner is living in england, so any help would be
appreciated. Dennis Gunn
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Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
They might be running backstays (or at least the top portion of same)
to support the mast when using a large mizzen staysail. Herm
At 01:33 PM 6/9/2007, Dennis Gunn wrote:
Just started rigging our cat ketch that we bought overthe winter and I have questions already.There are two lines on the
mizzen that I haven’t figured out yet. They are just like the upper
part of the lazyjacks(vinyl or rubber coated cable) that simply end
in an eye, about seven feet off the deck. The difference from the
lazyjacks is that these lines come from the top of the mast and
don’t have the block at the end. Also,there is another line with
each mast set up just as the halyards are. I’m guessing that these
were added as topping lifts ,although there were none showing in
the original rigging sketches that came with the boat. The previous
owner is living in england, so any help would be
appreciated. Dennis GunnFussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect.
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Posted by Tom Keegan (tom.bayshore@…>)
My 39’ cat ketch has the same set-up. We use them as running backstays when we fly the “spinnaker” which is mmmmmmm once a year for the downhill delta run from San Francisco Bay. Tom Killin’ TimeHerman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@…> wrote: They might be running backstays (or at least the top portion of same) to support the mast when using a large mizzen staysail. HermAt 01:33 PM 6/9/2007, Dennis Gunn wrote:> Just started rigging
our cat ketch that we bought over > the winter and I have questions already.There are two lines on the > mizzen that I haven’t figured out yet. They are just like the upper > part of the lazyjacks(vinyl or rubber coated cable) that simply end > in an eye, about seven feet off the deck. The difference from the > lazyjacks is that these lines come from the top of the mast and > don’t have the block at the end. Also,there is another line with > each mast set up just as the halyards are. I’m guessing that these > were added as topping lifts ,although there were none showing in > the original rigging sketches that came with the boat. The previous > owner is living in england, so any help would be > appreciated. Dennis Gunn>>>Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. ><http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48516/*http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7>Join >Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us.>
Posted by Dennis Gunn (dutchharborconanicut@…>)
Thanks to Herman and Gail, and Tom for your input. That’s two votes so far for running backstays. Thanks again Dennis GunnTom Keegan <tom.bayshore@…> wrote: My 39’ cat ketch has the same set-up. We use them as running backstays when we fly the “spinnaker” which is mmmmmmm once a year for the downhill delta run from San Francisco Bay. Tom Killin’ TimeHerman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@suddenlink.net> wrote: They might be running backstays (or at least the top portion of same) to support the mast when using a large mizzen
staysail. HermAt 01:33 PM 6/9/2007, Dennis Gunn wrote:> Just started rigging our cat ketch that we bought over > the winter and I have questions already.There are two lines on the > mizzen that I haven’t figured out yet. They are just like the upper > part of the lazyjacks(vinyl or rubber coated cable) that simply end > in an eye, about seven feet off the deck. The difference from the > lazyjacks is that these lines come from the top of the mast and > don’t have the block at the end. Also,there is another line with > each mast set up just as the halyards are. I’m guessing that these > were added as topping lifts ,although there were none showing in > the original rigging sketches that came with the boat. The previous > owner is living in england, so any help would be > appreciated. Dennis Gunn>>>Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect.
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Posted by Tom Keegan (tom.bayshore@…>)
One more fun thing for fun with ketches. Use your main and mizzen hayard to put a young and brave sailor in a bosun chair, lift them above the main boom and you have a great swing!!! Tom Killin’ TimeDennis Gunn <dutchharborconanicut@…> wrote: Thanks to Herman and Gail, and Tom for your input. That’s two votes so far for running backstays. Thanks again Dennis GunnTom Keegan <tom.bayshore@sbcglobal.net> wrote: My 39’ cat ketch has the
same set-up. We use them as running backstays when we fly the “spinnaker” which is mmmmmmm once a year for the downhill delta run from San Francisco Bay. Tom Killin’ TimeHerman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@suddenlink.net> wrote: They might be running backstays (or at least the top portion of same) to support the mast when using a large mizzen staysail. HermAt 01:33 PM 6/9/2007, Dennis Gunn wrote:> Just started rigging our cat ketch that we bought over > the winter and I have questions already.There are two lines on the > mizzen that I haven’t figured out yet. They are just like the upper > part of the lazyjacks(vinyl or rubber coated cable) that simply end > in an eye, about seven feet off the deck. The difference from
the > lazyjacks is that these lines come from the top of the mast and > don’t have the block at the end. Also,there is another line with > each mast set up just as the halyards are. I’m guessing that these > were added as topping lifts ,although there were none showing in > the original rigging sketches that came with the boat. The previous > owner is living in england, so any help would be > appreciated. Dennis Gunn>>>Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. ><http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48516/*http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7>Join >Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us.> Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)
Dennis,
The plasticated stainless wires are indeed your running backstays.
There has to be a tackle and cleat at the end of each one. When not
in use, put the snapshackle at the end of the tackle on the footrail
atwarthships of the mizzen mast. They will help as a handhold to get
on board.
Always use the windward backstay when you fly a staysail or you
might risk breaking your masttop. The Freedom masts are not designed
for top loads. Attach the snapshackle to the aftmost point available
on your foot rail and tension the backstay.
The two extra halyards on your masts are a spare halyard on the main
and a staysail/spare halyard on the mizzen.
Have a good time rigging out.
michel
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<dutchharborconanicut@…> wrote:
Just started rigging our cat ketch that we bought over
the winter and I have questions already.There are two lines on the
mizzen that I haven’t figured out yet. They are just like the upper
part of the lazyjacks(vinyl or rubber coated cable) that simply end
in an eye, about seven feet off the deck. The difference from the
lazyjacks is that these lines come from the top of the mast and
don’t have the block at the end. Also,there is another line with
each mast set up just as the halyards are. I’m guessing that these
were added as topping lifts ,although there were none showing in the
original rigging sketches that came with the boat. The previous
owner is living in england, so any help would be
appreciated. Dennis Gunn
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Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)
Those are running backstays, sort of. I’ll add my 2 cts to what
Michel has said.
First, I took mine off Bright Star. The rigger I consulted said that
they actually weren’t necessary on the Freedoms, as long as you
actually had your mizzen up. Since in 3 years I’ve never flown the
mizzen staysails or spinnaker, I decided to take them down since they
were simply making noise, banging the masts and adding windage.
Second, if you want to stay on the safe side and run them anyway
(there’s nothing wrong with extra safety, after all), rest assured
that they would ONLY be needed on the mizzen, since that is the spar
from which you fly your staysails. Also, I highly recommend that if
you intend to stay with them, replace the originals. they are vinyl
coated wire, which is prone to crevice corrosion, and if they are
anything like what was on Bright Star, they are undersized for the
task at hand anyway. If you want running backs, I’d consider going
with a high-tech line solution, with a true block and tackle purchase
at the deck end.
Like I said, just my 2cts, but if it’s important to you to have them,
I’d consider having a rigger engineer the proper size and strength
for your rig.
Lance
Soon to be a two-freedom owner.
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<dutchharborconanicut@…> wrote:
Just started rigging our cat ketch that we bought over
the winter and I have questions already.There are two lines on the
mizzen that I haven’t figured out yet. They are just like the upper
part of the lazyjacks(vinyl or rubber coated cable) that simply end
in an eye, about seven feet off the deck. The difference from the
lazyjacks is that these lines come from the top of the mast and don’t
have the block at the end. Also,there is another line with each mast
set up just as the halyards are. I’m guessing that these were added
as topping lifts ,although there were none showing in the original
rigging sketches that came with the boat. The previous owner is
living in england, so any help would be
appreciated. Dennis Gunn
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Posted by Dennis Gunn (dutchharborconanicut@…>)
Thanks Lance and Michel . that makes it 4 for 4 , the running backstays are batting a thousand. I really don’t have any experience with running backstays, and I’ll probably keep it that way. This being our first freedom,I thought part of the freedom idea was to eliminate shrouds and stays. So the possibility of these being running backstays never entered my mind.Thanks again,I feel a lot better now than I did when I left the boat a week ago. Now if we could only get her in the water. Dennislance_ryley <lance_ryley@…> wrote: Those are running backstays, sort of. I’ll add my 2 cts to what Michel has said.First, I took mine off Bright Star. The rigger I consulted said that they actually weren’t necessary on the Freedoms, as long as you actually had your mizzen up. Since in 3 years I’ve never flown the mizzen staysails or spinnaker, I decided to take them down since they were simply making noise, banging the masts and adding windage. Second, if you want to stay on the safe side and run them anyway (there’s nothing wrong with extra safety, after all), rest assured that they would ONLY be needed on the mizzen, since that is the spar from which you fly your staysails. Also, I highly recommend that if you intend to stay with them, replace the originals. they are vinyl coated wire, which is prone to crevice corrosion, and if they are anything like what was on Bright Star, they are undersized for the task at hand
anyway. If you want running backs, I’d consider going with a high-tech line solution, with a true block and tackle purchase at the deck end. Like I said, just my 2cts, but if it’s important to you to have them, I’d consider having a rigger engineer the proper size and strength for your rig.LanceSoon to be a two-freedom owner.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Gunn <dutchharborconanicut@…> wrote:>> Just started rigging our cat ketch that we bought over the winter and I have questions already.There are two lines on the mizzen that I haven’t figured out yet. They are just like the upper part of the lazyjacks(vinyl or rubber coated cable) that simply end in an eye, about seven feet off the deck. The difference from the lazyjacks is that these lines come from the top of the mast and don’t have the
block at the end. Also,there is another line with each mast set up just as the halyards are. I’m guessing that these were added as topping lifts ,although there were none showing in the original rigging sketches that came with the boat. The previous owner is living in england, so any help would be appreciated. Dennis Gunn> > ---------------------------------> Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us.>
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Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)
Dennis,
Good luck, and as Lance says, if you don’t ever use mizzen
staysails, you don’t need backstays. I replaced mine because they
were badly corroded; plasticated stainless steel is probably not the
best solution, but it was much cheaper than no stretch Dyneema
alternatives The plastic coated wires will last for the next 10 to
15 years, I guess. I’m going to buy a huge mizzen gennaker for my
F44, so I do want the backstays. The main and mizzen sail do not
give very large sideways bending loads on the upper mast section. A
mizzen halyard at the masthead with a huge staysail does.
Michel
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<dutchharborconanicut@…> wrote:
Thanks Lance and Michel . that makes it 4 for 4 , the running
backstays are batting a thousand. I really don’t have any experience
with running backstays, and I’ll probably keep it that way. This
being our first freedom,I thought part of the freedom idea was to
eliminate shrouds and stays. So the possibility of these being
running backstays never entered my mind.Thanks again,I feel a lot
better now than I did when I left the boat a week ago. Now if we
could only get her in the water.
Dennis
lance_ryley <lance_ryley@…> wrote:
Those are running backstays, sort of. I’ll add my 2 cts
to what
Michel has said.First, I took mine off Bright Star. The rigger I consulted said
that
they actually weren’t necessary on the Freedoms, as long as you
actually had your mizzen up. Since in 3 years I’ve never flown the
mizzen staysails or spinnaker, I decided to take them down since
they
were simply making noise, banging the masts and adding windage.Second, if you want to stay on the safe side and run them anyway
(there’s nothing wrong with extra safety, after all), rest assured
that they would ONLY be needed on the mizzen, since that is the
spar
from which you fly your staysails. Also, I highly recommend that
if
you intend to stay with them, replace the originals. they are
vinyl
coated wire, which is prone to crevice corrosion, and if they are
anything like what was on Bright Star, they are undersized for the
task at hand anyway. If you want running backs, I’d consider going
with a high-tech line solution, with a true block and tackle
purchase
at the deck end.Like I said, just my 2cts, but if it’s important to you to have
them,
I’d consider having a rigger engineer the proper size and strength
for your rig.Lance
Soon to be a two-freedom owner.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Gunn
<dutchharborconanicut@> wrote:Just started rigging our cat ketch that we bought over
the winter and I have questions already.There are two lines on the
mizzen that I haven’t figured out yet. They are just like the
upper
part of the lazyjacks(vinyl or rubber coated cable) that simply
end
in an eye, about seven feet off the deck. The difference from the
lazyjacks is that these lines come from the top of the mast and
don’t
have the block at the end. Also,there is another line with each
mast
set up just as the halyards are. I’m guessing that these were
added
as topping lifts ,although there were none showing in the original
rigging sketches that came with the boat. The previous owner is
living in england, so any help would be
appreciated. Dennis Gunn
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Posted by celij (junk@…>)
Lance - A two Freedom owner? Can not get enough of a good thing?
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@…> wrote:
Those are running backstays, sort of. I’ll add my 2 cts to what
Michel has said.First, I took mine off Bright Star. The rigger I consulted said that
they actually weren’t necessary on the Freedoms, as long as you
actually had your mizzen up. Since in 3 years I’ve never flown the
mizzen staysails or spinnaker, I decided to take them down since they
were simply making noise, banging the masts and adding windage.Second, if you want to stay on the safe side and run them anyway
(there’s nothing wrong with extra safety, after all), rest assured
that they would ONLY be needed on the mizzen, since that is the spar
from which you fly your staysails. Also, I highly recommend that if
you intend to stay with them, replace the originals. they are vinyl
coated wire, which is prone to crevice corrosion, and if they are
anything like what was on Bright Star, they are undersized for the
task at hand anyway. If you want running backs, I’d consider going
with a high-tech line solution, with a true block and tackle purchase
at the deck end.Like I said, just my 2cts, but if it’s important to you to have them,
I’d consider having a rigger engineer the proper size and strength
for your rig.Lance
Soon to be a two-freedom owner.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Gunn
<dutchharborconanicut@> wrote:Just started rigging our cat ketch that we bought overthe winter and I have questions already.There are two lines on the
mizzen that I haven’t figured out yet. They are just like the upper
part of the lazyjacks(vinyl or rubber coated cable) that simply end
in an eye, about seven feet off the deck. The difference from the
lazyjacks is that these lines come from the top of the mast and don’t
have the block at the end. Also,there is another line with each mast
set up just as the halyards are. I’m guessing that these were added
as topping lifts ,although there were none showing in the original
rigging sketches that came with the boat. The previous owner is
living in england, so any help would be
appreciated. Dennis Gunn
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Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)
Noow, Lance and his wife need more space for their shoes and clothes
hangers.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “celij” <junk@…> wrote:
Lance - A two Freedom owner? Can not get enough of a good thing?
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@> wrote:Those are running backstays, sort of. I’ll add my 2 cts to what
Michel has said.First, I took mine off Bright Star. The rigger I consulted said
that
they actually weren’t necessary on the Freedoms, as long as you
actually had your mizzen up. Since in 3 years I’ve never flown
the
mizzen staysails or spinnaker, I decided to take them down since
they
were simply making noise, banging the masts and adding windage.Second, if you want to stay on the safe side and run them anyway
(there’s nothing wrong with extra safety, after all), rest
assured
that they would ONLY be needed on the mizzen, since that is the
spar
from which you fly your staysails. Also, I highly recommend that
if
you intend to stay with them, replace the originals. they are
vinyl
coated wire, which is prone to crevice corrosion, and if they are
anything like what was on Bright Star, they are undersized for
the
task at hand anyway. If you want running backs, I’d consider
going
with a high-tech line solution, with a true block and tackle
purchase
at the deck end.Like I said, just my 2cts, but if it’s important to you to have
them,
I’d consider having a rigger engineer the proper size and
strength
for your rig.Lance
Soon to be a two-freedom owner.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Gunn
<dutchharborconanicut@> wrote:Just started rigging our cat ketch that we bought
over
the winter and I have questions already.There are two lines on
the
mizzen that I haven’t figured out yet. They are just like the
upper
part of the lazyjacks(vinyl or rubber coated cable) that simply
end
in an eye, about seven feet off the deck. The difference from the
lazyjacks is that these lines come from the top of the mast and
don’t
have the block at the end. Also,there is another line with each
mast
set up just as the halyards are. I’m guessing that these were
added
as topping lifts ,although there were none showing in the
original
rigging sketches that came with the boat. The previous owner is
living in england, so any help would be
appreciated. Dennis
Gunn
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