Posted by davisjonathan1946 (jon@…>)
it seems that a lot of f33 rigs are being converted from wraparound
sails and wishbones to fully batten sails on a mast track with a
conventional boom as i am looking to buy a f33 can owners please give
reasons for changing over and also the advantages and disadvatages of
the two rigs as i do not have experience of the wishbone rig however
I can see it is easier and safer to gybe any help will be appreciated
as there are a confusing amount of different rigs,what sets the sails
best is easy to use etc.thanks Jon Davis
Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)
There are a number of discussion threads on this if you use the search feature.
I have an F-33 that was converted by Freedom Yachts for the original owner. I have no way to compare with the original wishbones. The current sails were made by North Sails in 1998. The full batten sails provide some additional sail area in the extended roach (but of course lack the wraparound of the mast of the originals) and have the benefits of full batten mainsails in general. I am quite happy with the rig. The sails raise and lower easily (the sheaves at the mastheads were changed to harken ball bearing sheaves) and have some sort of bat cars to handle the compression load of the full battens.
My second hand understanding is that many owners of the original freedom rig had trouble lowering and reefing the wraparound sails. Some owners kept the wishbones but went to a sail track.
With the freestanding masts even with the converted rig the booms wing out slightly beyond 90 degrees but still have significant jibe potential and it is difficult to use a boom brake or similar item on the main since the mast is right at the bow.
Alan F-33 Hull #51
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Subject: [freedomyachts2003] ck f33 wishbones or convetional booms
it seems that a lot of f33 rigs are being converted from wraparound sails and wishbones to fully batten sails on a mast track with a conventional boom as i am looking to buy a f33 can owners please give reasons for changing over and also the advantages and disadvatages of the two rigs as i do not have experience of the wishbone rig however I can see it is easier and safer to gybe any help will be appreciated as there are a confusing amount of different rigs,what sets the sails best is easy to use etc.thanks Jon Davis
Posted by John Jones (a1john@…>)
I love the wrap-arounds but, replacement costs are disastrous. The 33
that I purchased used in 1989 has been an outstanding performer. It is
easy to sail single-handed and the reefing is all from the cockpit and
very straight-forward if you will just practice the procedure. It
helps to furl the reefed portion which means going forward, but it is
usually not required… The possibility of a gybe is not threatening
because of the friction between the sail and mast. However, in extreme
winds that is probably exciting even though it is all above your head.
The mizzen sheets can give you a fat ear if you are not careful in
gybbing a winged out mizzen sail. Remember that if you convert to a
sail track you may need a standard boom and gooseneck with subsequent
reinforcing of the mast at that point. Hoisting these two-ply sails can
be a bear and I have just installed a big Milwaukee right angle drill
and a bit to fit the winches. Childs play and it will hoist a man quite
easily also. At my age I’m permitted some help. John Jones “Lady Marion”
davisjonathan1946 wrote:
it seems that a lot of f33 rigs are being converted from wraparound
sails and wishbones to fully batten sails on a mast track with a
conventional boom as i am looking to buy a f33 can owners please give
reasons for changing over and also the advantages and disadvatages of
the two rigs as i do not have experience of the wishbone rig however
I can see it is easier and safer to gybe any help will be appreciated
as there are a confusing amount of different rigs,what sets the sails
best is easy to use etc.thanks Jon Davis
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Posted by Jack George (chamela7@…>)
I agree with Mr. Jones having sailed from England, thru the med, all of the carib up to florida then down to cuba, panama, on up to mazatlan mex. the wrap-around wishbone is hard to beat. I did have problems with the bridel but replaced the cloth with a steel tefflon bearing. my sails are 22 years old and I am not looking foward to replacement costs. trying to come up with ideas like having 2ply on first third then 1ply for the last two thirds Look what they are doing with wind surfer sails. Iam open for Ideals? Jack on “CHAMELA” John Jones <a1john@…> wrote:
I love the wrap-arounds but, replacement costs are disastrous. The 33 that I purchased used in 1989 has been an outstanding performer. It is easy to sail single-handed and the reefing is all from the cockpit and very straight-forward if you will just practice the procedure. It helps to furl the reefed portion which means going forward, but it is usually not required… The possibility of a gybe is not threatening because of the friction between the sail and mast. However, in extreme winds that is probably exciting even though it is all above your head. The mizzen sheets can give you a fat ear if you are not careful in gybbing a winged out mizzen sail. Remember that if you convert to a sail track you may need a standard boom and gooseneck with subsequent reinforcing of the mast at that
point. Hoisting these two-ply sails can be a bear and I have just installed a big Milwaukee right angle drill and a bit to fit the winches. Childs play and it will hoist a man quite easily also. At my age I’m permitted some help. John Jones "Lady Marion"davisjonathan1946 wrote:>it seems that a lot of f33 rigs are being converted from wraparound >sails and wishbones to fully batten sails on a mast track with a >conventional boom as i am looking to buy a f33 can owners please give >reasons for changing over and also the advantages and disadvatages of >the two rigs as i do not have experience of the wishbone rig however >I can see it is easier and safer to gybe any help will be appreciated >as there are a confusing amount of different rigs,what sets the sails >best is easy to use etc.thanks Jon Davis>>>>>>> >Yahoo! Groups
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Posted by Michel Capel (mike_c_f35ck@…>)
Guys,
Have a look at the Wyliecat! If I have to replace my wraparounds, I
definitely want to keep the wishbones, but not the two ply sail. The
Wylie rig has a track and a beautifully roached single ply sail with
a wishbone boom having the simplest adjustment system you could ever
come up with, just a few lines, no bridle at all. Check out
www.wyliecat.com
Mike
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jack George <chamela7@y…>
wrote:
I agree with Mr. Jones having sailed from England, thru the med,
all of the carib up to florida then down to cuba, panama, on up to
mazatlan mex. the wrap-around wishbone is hard to beat. I did have
problems with the bridel but replaced the cloth with a steel tefflon
bearing. my sails are 22 years old and I am not looking foward to
replacement costs. trying to come up with ideas like having 2ply on
first third then 1ply for the last two thirds Look what they are
doing with wind surfer sails. Iam open for Ideals? Jack on “CHAMELA”
John Jones <a1john@c…> wrote:I love the wrap-arounds but,
replacement costs are disastrous. The 33
that I purchased used in 1989 has been an outstanding performer. It
is
easy to sail single-handed and the reefing is all from the cockpit
and
very straight-forward if you will just practice the procedure.
It
helps to furl the reefed portion which means going forward, but it
is
usually not required… The possibility of a gybe is not threatening
because of the friction between the sail and mast. However, in
extreme
winds that is probably exciting even though it is all above your
head.
The mizzen sheets can give you a fat ear if you are not careful in
gybbing a winged out mizzen sail. Remember that if you convert to
a
sail track you may need a standard boom and gooseneck with
subsequent
reinforcing of the mast at that point. Hoisting these two-ply sails
can
be a bear and I have just installed a big Milwaukee right angle
drill
and a bit to fit the winches. Childs play and it will hoist a man
quite
easily also. At my age I’m permitted some help. John Jones “Lady
Marion”
davisjonathan1946 wrote:
it seems that a lot of f33 rigs are being converted from
wraparound
sails and wishbones to fully batten sails on a mast track with a
conventional boom as i am looking to buy a f33 can owners please
give
reasons for changing over and also the advantages and disadvatages
of
the two rigs as i do not have experience of the wishbone rig
however
I can see it is easier and safer to gybe any help will be
appreciated
as there are a confusing amount of different rigs,what sets the
sails
best is easy to use etc.thanks Jon Davis
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