Posted by fgljff (fgljff@…>)
Has anyone gone up their F25 mast? Wing mast, that is. It seems to me that
climbing a 20-
something unstayed carbon mast might be in the realm of foolhardiness (despite
what the
folks on the Sailing Anarchy website say about the matter – all have advocated
my scaling
that mast.) So I’m posing the question to people who know the boat. What say
you?
Posted by Tricia Coldren (tcoldren@…>)
I’ve been up. It’s kind of weird, but possible. Probably most
comfortable if the mast is tied off so it won’t rotate.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “fgljff” <fgljff@…> wrote:
Has anyone gone up their F25 mast? Wing mast, that is. It seems to
me that climbing a 20-
something unstayed carbon mast might be in the realm of
foolhardiness (despite what the
folks on the Sailing Anarchy website say about the matter – all
have advocated my scaling
that mast.) So I’m posing the question to people who know the boat.
What say you?
Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
I don’t think it has much to with it being unstayed or wing-shaped. I
would prevent it from turning by tying the rotation limiter to the
deck eyes. The rest has to do with the condition of the halyard lines
and hardware in relation to your body weight. Another consideration
is to have very calm water when you do this, wakes would be
disturbing to someone in a bosuns chair (I assume you’re using a
bosuns chair). Another alternative would be to rent a “cherry-picker”
person lift. I used one to work on my roof edges a while back. It’s a
self-contained unit that you bring home with your vehicle’s trailer
hitch. It’s hydraulic/electric. This would work if you can bring the
boat next to a bulkhead with pavement that can support the person-lift.
Herm
At 05:25 PM 6/19/2007, fgljff wrote:
Has anyone gone up their F25 mast? Wing mast, that is. It seems to
me that climbing a 20-
something unstayed carbon mast might be in the realm of
foolhardiness (despite what the
folks on the Sailing Anarchy website say about the matter – all
have advocated my scaling
that mast.) So I’m posing the question to people who know the boat.
What say you?
Posted by James Driebeek (jim3bk@…>)
I made a 20 foot aluminum A-frame to step and un-step my wingmast. I
could help you unstep and re-step your mast if you would like. Did you
ever resolve the issue of the missing Teflon bearing? This might be an
opportunity to solve that issue.
jim d
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Herman and Gail Schiller
<hschiller2@…> wrote:
I don’t think it has much to with it being unstayed or wing-shaped. I
would prevent it from turning by tying the rotation limiter to the
deck eyes. The rest has to do with the condition of the halyard lines
and hardware in relation to your body weight. Another consideration
is to have very calm water when you do this, wakes would be
disturbing to someone in a bosuns chair (I assume you’re using a
bosuns chair). Another alternative would be to rent a “cherry-picker”
person lift. I used one to work on my roof edges a while back. It’s a
self-contained unit that you bring home with your vehicle’s trailer
hitch. It’s hydraulic/electric. This would work if you can bring the
boat next to a bulkhead with pavement that can support the person-lift.
HermAt 05:25 PM 6/19/2007, fgljff wrote:
Has anyone gone up their F25 mast? Wing mast, that is. It seems to
me that climbing a 20-
something unstayed carbon mast might be in the realm of
foolhardiness (despite what the
folks on the Sailing Anarchy website say about the matter – all
have advocated my scaling
that mast.) So I’m posing the question to people who know the boat.
What say you?
Posted by fgljff (fgljff@…>)
I’m intrigued by the A-frame. Can you furnish me with some details? Also, could
it be
constructed of wood as well? Where do you sail out of?
In regard to the teflon ring, I haven’t resolved that yet. I’m not sure where to
get one. I
suppose I’ll construct one if I can find a suitable material and when I unstep
the mast I’ll
try to install it.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “James Driebeek” <jim3bk@…> wrote:
I made a 20 foot aluminum A-frame to step and un-step my wingmast. I
could help you unstep and re-step your mast if you would like. Did you
ever resolve the issue of the missing Teflon bearing? This might be an
opportunity to solve that issue.jim d
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Herman and Gail Schiller
<hschiller2@> wrote:I don’t think it has much to with it being unstayed or wing-shaped. I
would prevent it from turning by tying the rotation limiter to the
deck eyes. The rest has to do with the condition of the halyard lines
and hardware in relation to your body weight. Another consideration
is to have very calm water when you do this, wakes would be
disturbing to someone in a bosuns chair (I assume you’re using a
bosuns chair). Another alternative would be to rent a “cherry-picker”
person lift. I used one to work on my roof edges a while back. It’s a
self-contained unit that you bring home with your vehicle’s trailer
hitch. It’s hydraulic/electric. This would work if you can bring the
boat next to a bulkhead with pavement that can support the person-lift.
HermAt 05:25 PM 6/19/2007, fgljff wrote:
Has anyone gone up their F25 mast? Wing mast, that is. It seems to
me that climbing a 20-
something unstayed carbon mast might be in the realm of
foolhardiness (despite what the
folks on the Sailing Anarchy website say about the matter – all
have advocated my scaling
that mast.) So I’m posing the question to people who know the boat.
What say you?
Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
I’ve built a 20’ A-frame from 20’ 2x4 with 2x2 glued to the side to
create a stubby “T” shape. At the top, I wrapped the top of each of
the legs with some epoxy-saturated fiberglass tape and drilled hole
for 5/16" bolt. I fastened a 4" horn cleat at a convenient height on
one of the legs. Using the cleat you can stop at any point to adjust
or contemplate something. Pivoting between the two legs on the 5/16"
bolt was a steel “mending plate” (a piece of steel with holes in it
available at hardware stores in many sizes). This was where you hang
the lifting tackle from. The A-frame was steadied, fore and aft with
dacron lines, tied around the 5/16" bolt at the top. I used the vang
blocks with a much longer line to act as lifting tackle. You need to
use a line that has a loop in it around the mast that will ride up
the mast to just above the balance point, and is secured to the
rotation limiter for the purpose of actually lifting. You’ll want to
pad the top of the cabin and the bow rails to rest the mast on. An
aluminum alloy A-frame will be much lighter, and therefore to operate
with. Try and find some tubing as surplus at a metal recycling establishment.
The A-frame has been left at the Chelsea (NY) Yacht Club some ten
years ago. I now sail out of Fairfield Harbour which is near New
Bern, NC. The Freedom 25 is nearby, but I now sail a Mull 28 Freedom.
Now to the teflon bearing. You need to find a supplier of teflon
sheet on the Internet (such as ridoutplastics.com), and get a piece
of teflon 24" long by 1/16" or 3/32" thick. You’ll cut a 2" wide
slice of this to create your bearing. You then cut one end of the
24" piece at a 45-degree angle, and place it inside the depression
at deck level inside the mast tube. You then mark the uncut end using
the 45-degree end to establish the exact size of the bearing strip
and cut this to size. I’ve found that tin snips are the best way to
cut this stuff. Secure the bearing strip inside the mast tube with
masking tape, and try hard not to disturb it when inserting the mast.
Best of luck with your Freedom 25. Herm
At 07:37 AM 6/21/2007, fgljff wrote:
I’m intrigued by the A-frame. Can you furnish me with some details?
Also, could it be
constructed of wood as well? Where do you sail out of?In regard to the teflon ring, I haven’t resolved that yet. I’m not
sure where to get one. I
suppose I’ll construct one if I can find a suitable material and
when I unstep the mast I’ll
try to install it.— In
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.comfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“James Driebeek” <jim3bk@…> wrote:I made a 20 foot aluminum A-frame to step and un-step my wingmast. I
could help you unstep and re-step your mast if you would like. Did you
ever resolve the issue of the missing Teflon bearing? This might be an
opportunity to solve that issue.jim d
— In
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.comfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
Herman and Gail Schiller
<hschiller2@> wrote:I don’t think it has much to with it being unstayed or wing-shaped. I
would prevent it from turning by tying the rotation limiter to the
deck eyes. The rest has to do with the condition of the halyard lines
and hardware in relation to your body weight. Another consideration
is to have very calm water when you do this, wakes would be
disturbing to someone in a bosuns chair (I assume you’re using a
bosuns chair). Another alternative would be to rent a “cherry-picker”
person lift. I used one to work on my roof edges a while back. It’s a
self-contained unit that you bring home with your vehicle’s trailer
hitch. It’s hydraulic/electric. This would work if you can bring the
boat next to a bulkhead with pavement that can support the person-lift.
HermAt 05:25 PM 6/19/2007, fgljff wrote:
Has anyone gone up their F25 mast? Wing mast, that is. It seems to
me that climbing a 20-
something unstayed carbon mast might be in the realm of
foolhardiness (despite what the
folks on the Sailing Anarchy website say about the matter – all
have advocated my scaling
that mast.) So I’m posing the question to people who know the boat.
What say you?
Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
The Freedom 25 lower mast bearing is a common front wheel bearing
available in automotive shops, as is the metal/rubber grease seal.
Bring the old ones in to your favorite auto parts store, and they’ll
fix you up with replacements. Herm
At 09:43 AM 6/21/2007, you wrote:
I’ve built a 20’ A-frame from 20’ 2x4 with 2x2 glued to the side to
create a stubby “T” shape. At the top, I wrapped the top of each of
the legs with some epoxy-saturated fiberglass tape and drilled hole
for 5/16" bolt. I fastened a 4" horn cleat at a convenient height on
one of the legs. Using the cleat you can stop at any point to adjust
or contemplate something. Pivoting between the two legs on the 5/16"
bolt was a steel “mending plate” (a piece of steel with holes in it
available at hardware stores in many sizes). This was where you hang
the lifting tackle from. The A-frame was steadied, fore and aft with
dacron lines, tied around the 5/16" bolt at the top. I used the vang
blocks with a much longer line to act as lifting tackle. You need to
use a line that has a loop in it around the mast that will ride up
the mast to just above the balance point, and is secured to the
rotation limiter for the purpose of actually lifting. You’ll want to
pad the top of the cabin and the bow rails to rest the mast on. An
aluminum alloy A-frame will be much lighter, and therefore to operate
with. Try and find some tubing as surplus at a metal recycling establishment.The A-frame has been left at the Chelsea (NY) Yacht Club some ten
years ago. I now sail out of Fairfield Harbour which is near New
Bern, NC. The Freedom 25 is nearby, but I now sail a Mull 28 Freedom.Now to the teflon bearing. You need to find a supplier of teflon
sheet on the Internet (such as ridoutplastics.com), and get a piece
of teflon 24" long by 1/16" or 3/32" thick. You’ll cut a 2" wide
slice of this to create your bearing. You then cut one end of the
24" piece at a 45-degree angle, and place it inside the depression
at deck level inside the mast tube. You then mark the uncut end using
the 45-degree end to establish the exact size of the bearing strip
and cut this to size. I’ve found that tin snips are the best way to
cut this stuff. Secure the bearing strip inside the mast tube with
masking tape, and try hard not to disturb it when inserting the mast.Best of luck with your Freedom 25. Herm
At 07:37 AM 6/21/2007, fgljff wrote:
I’m intrigued by the A-frame. Can you furnish me with some details?
Also, could it be
constructed of wood as well? Where do you sail out of?In regard to the teflon ring, I haven’t resolved that yet. I’m not
sure where to get one. I
suppose I’ll construct one if I can find a suitable material and
when I unstep the mast I’ll
try to install it.— In
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:freedomyachts20
03%40yahoogroups.com>freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“James Driebeek” <jim3bk@…> wrote:I made a 20 foot aluminum A-frame to step and un-step my wingmast. I
could help you unstep and re-step your mast if you would like. Did you
ever resolve the issue of the missing Teflon bearing? This might be an
opportunity to solve that issue.jim d
— In
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogro
ups.com>freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
Herman and Gail Schiller
<hschiller2@> wrote:
I don’t think it has much to with it being unstayed or wing-shaped. I
would prevent it from turning by tying the rotation limiter to the
deck eyes. The rest has to do with the condition of the halyard lines
and hardware in relation to your body weight. Another consideration
is to have very calm water when you do this, wakes would be
disturbing to someone in a bosuns chair (I assume you’re using a
bosuns chair). Another alternative would be to rent a “cherry-picker”
person lift. I used one to work on my roof edges a while back. It’s a
self-contained unit that you bring home with your vehicle’s trailer
hitch. It’s hydraulic/electric. This would work if you can bring the
boat next to a bulkhead with pavement that can support the person-lift.
HermAt 05:25 PM 6/19/2007, fgljff wrote:
Has anyone gone up their F25 mast? Wing mast, that is. It seems to
me that climbing a 20-
something unstayed carbon mast might be in the realm of
foolhardiness (despite what the
folks on the Sailing Anarchy website say about the matter – all
have advocated my scaling
that mast.) So I’m posing the question to people who know the boat.
What say you?
Posted by James Driebeek (jim3bk@…>)
I used the information provided by Herm and a British Freedom 21 owner
to build my A-frame. I made it last month and have tried it out twice.
Once in my back yard and once on the boat (still on the hard) to make
sure all went well before I tried to step my mast in the harbor.
Everything worked out fine so the risk of making a fool of myself in
the harbor is minimal. With my setup I can perform the whole operation
by myself, but a second person would come in handy.
I bought two 24 foot 1.75" square aluminum tubes with a 1/8 wall. I
cut them to 20 feet thinking that would be plenty but I now think 21
feet would be better. I figured that using aluminum would be easier
and lighter than wood. The frame weighs about 40 pounds.
At the top the two tubes are connected with a regular door hinge. At
the bottom I bolted on swivel bases you find on ladders. These bases
are connected to two boards that are attached between the stanchions.
To secure the frame in the upright position I use my jacklines with a
short extension attached the cleats in the rear. In the front I use
two pulleys and my main sheet to raise and secure the frame. To hoist
the mast I use my mainsheet blocks with an old main halyard. At the
top the mainsheet block and jacklines are attached to a heavy bolt
that goes through both legs.
I sail out of Milford CT on Long Island Sound
Jim Driebeek
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “fgljff” <fgljff@…> wrote:
I’m intrigued by the A-frame. Can you furnish me with some details?
Also, could it be
constructed of wood as well? Where do you sail out of?In regard to the teflon ring, I haven’t resolved that yet. I’m not
sure where to get one. I
suppose I’ll construct one if I can find a suitable material and
when I unstep the mast I’ll
try to install it.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “James Driebeek” <jim3bk@>
wrote:I made a 20 foot aluminum A-frame to step and un-step my wingmast. I
could help you unstep and re-step your mast if you would like. Did you
ever resolve the issue of the missing Teflon bearing? This might be an
opportunity to solve that issue.jim d
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Herman and Gail Schiller
<hschiller2@> wrote:I don’t think it has much to with it being unstayed or
wing-shaped. I
would prevent it from turning by tying the rotation limiter to the
deck eyes. The rest has to do with the condition of the halyard
lines
and hardware in relation to your body weight. Another consideration
is to have very calm water when you do this, wakes would be
disturbing to someone in a bosuns chair (I assume you’re using a
bosuns chair). Another alternative would be to rent a
“cherry-picker”
person lift. I used one to work on my roof edges a while back.
It’s a
self-contained unit that you bring home with your vehicle’s trailer
hitch. It’s hydraulic/electric. This would work if you can bring
the
boat next to a bulkhead with pavement that can support the
person-lift.
HermAt 05:25 PM 6/19/2007, fgljff wrote:
Has anyone gone up their F25 mast? Wing mast, that is. It seems to
me that climbing a 20-
something unstayed carbon mast might be in the realm of
foolhardiness (despite what the
folks on the Sailing Anarchy website say about the matter – all
have advocated my scaling
that mast.) So I’m posing the question to people who know the
boat.
What say you?
Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
This sounds like a great implementation of the basic idea. I’d add a
cleat on one of the legs, to permit pausing in the middle of raising
or lowering, by tying off the lifting line. Herm
At 11:45 PM 6/21/2007, you wrote:
I used the information provided by Herm and a British Freedom 21 owner
to build my A-frame. I made it last month and have tried it out twice.
Once in my back yard and once on the boat (still on the hard) to make
sure all went well before I tried to step my mast in the harbor.
Everything worked out fine so the risk of making a fool of myself in
the harbor is minimal. With my setup I can perform the whole operation
by myself, but a second person would come in handy.
I bought two 24 foot 1.75" square aluminum tubes with a 1/8 wall. I
cut them to 20 feet thinking that would be plenty but I now think 21
feet would be better. I figured that using aluminum would be easier
and lighter than wood. The frame weighs about 40 pounds.
At the top the two tubes are connected with a regular door hinge. At
the bottom I bolted on swivel bases you find on ladders. These bases
are connected to two boards that are attached between the stanchions.
To secure the frame in the upright position I use my jacklines with a
short extension attached the cleats in the rear. In the front I use
two pulleys and my main sheet to raise and secure the frame. To hoist
the mast I use my mainsheet blocks with an old main halyard. At the
top the mainsheet block and jacklines are attached to a heavy bolt
that goes through both legs.I sail out of Milford CT on Long Island Sound
Jim Driebeek
— In
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.comfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“fgljff” <fgljff@…> wrote:I’m intrigued by the A-frame. Can you furnish me with some details?
Also, could it be
constructed of wood as well? Where do you sail out of?In regard to the teflon ring, I haven’t resolved that yet. I’m not
sure where to get one. I
suppose I’ll construct one if I can find a suitable material and
when I unstep the mast I’ll
try to install it.— In
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.comfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“James Driebeek” <jim3bk@>
wrote:I made a 20 foot aluminum A-frame to step and un-step my wingmast. I
could help you unstep and re-step your mast if you would like. Did you
ever resolve the issue of the missing Teflon bearing? This might be an
opportunity to solve that issue.jim d
— In
mailto:freedomyachts2003%40yahoogroups.comfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
Herman and Gail Schiller
<hschiller2@> wrote:I don’t think it has much to with it being unstayed or
wing-shaped. I
would prevent it from turning by tying the rotation limiter to the
deck eyes. The rest has to do with the condition of the halyard
lines
and hardware in relation to your body weight. Another consideration
is to have very calm water when you do this, wakes would be
disturbing to someone in a bosuns chair (I assume you’re using a
bosuns chair). Another alternative would be to rent a
“cherry-picker”
person lift. I used one to work on my roof edges a while back.
It’s a
self-contained unit that you bring home with your vehicle’s trailer
hitch. It’s hydraulic/electric. This would work if you can bring
the
boat next to a bulkhead with pavement that can support the
person-lift.
HermAt 05:25 PM 6/19/2007, fgljff wrote:
Has anyone gone up their F25 mast? Wing mast, that is. It seems to
me that climbing a 20-
something unstayed carbon mast might be in the realm of
foolhardiness (despite what the
folks on the Sailing Anarchy website say about the matter – all
have advocated my scaling
that mast.) So I’m posing the question to people who know the
boat.
What say you?