Posted by Skipper Skip (skipperf33@…>)
I must side with Steve on this! As I grow from Old to Ancient, I find that something that seemed SOOOOOO obvious six weeks ago, now has absolutely NO meaning what so ever today!
If I were to mark a yellow can with a big RED “X” today, later I will deduce something like; Oh, that “X” means that I have run that can of fuel through my filters and it is READY to pour into my tank!
Though I HATE Pee Green, in this case it would make better sense, at least for this Crusty Old Fart
Skip
1982 F33 CK, Fixed Shoal Keel
Southern CA.— On Fri, 10/24/08, sgaber@… <sgaber@…> wrote:
From: sgaber@… <sgaber@…>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Composting toiletTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comCc: “george huffman” <thatboatguy2@…>Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 9:30 AM
George, Mary, Dan:Yeah, pee green. That would be a better choice than yellow, because yellow is generally used for Diesel fuel. Red is for gasoline. Puting 5 gallons of urine in the Diesel tank could spoil one’s whole day.–Steve GaberSanderling, 1967 C-31 #77Oldsmar, FL---- george huffman <thatboatguy2@ yahoo.com> wrote: > Pea Green? > > George> > — On Fri, 10/24/08, Herman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@suddenli nk.net> wrote:> From: Herman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@suddenli nk.net>> Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Composting toilet> To: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 11:14 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > I think using a yellow (diesel) fuel can would be the more > > appropriate color (Hee, Hee). Herm> > > > At 07:44 AM 10/24/2008, you wrote:> > > > >Thanks Mary> > >> > >I’m sitting here with the door to the head open. The tide is rising on> > >the urine bottle and that ha set me thinking.> > >> > >There is a cupboard under my sink where I could install a nice “fuel> > >tank” and a handy little diaphragm pump. This installation would also> > >obviate the need of opening the head to remove the urine bottle for> > >emptying. Marvellous!!
!> > >> > >Also, my “fuel tank” would be red or green, so nobody would see the> > >colour of my wee as I scurried along to the boatyard toilets for> > >emptying! Also marvellous!> > >> > >I think I’ll visit the hardware store today,and check the size of> > >available tanks!> > >> > >Dan> > >> > >— In > > ><mailto:FreedomOwn ersGroup% 40yahoogroups. com>FreedomOwnersGr oup@ yahoogroups. com, > > >“mbb05055” <mary.bigelow@ …>> > >wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > > Please let me know if you carry out the modification> > > > >> > > > … … … … … …>
No, please, be my honored guest. You must go first.> > > >> > > > Actually I live in Maine and we tend to wander north not south so its> > > > not likely to be an issue soon.> > > >> > > > Mary> > > > F30 Corydora> > > > Belfast Maine> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Posted by Skipper Skip (skipperf33@…>)
Amen to that Steve! Here in Southern CA, the Navy uses some KILLER bottom paint on those huge ships and it leaches into our bays, thousands of pounds at a time. But OH BOY, KATY BAR THE DOORS, that I might take a piss in the water!!!
Let us not forget those hundreds of thousands of people that swim at our beaches all up and down our coasts! Why they NEVER URINATE IN THE WATER… MUCH!
Skip
1982 F33 CK, Fixed Shoal Keel
Southern CA.— On Fri, 10/24/08, sgaber@… <sgaber@…> wrote:
From: sgaber@… <sgaber@…>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Composting toiletTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comCc: “Herman and Gail Schiller” <hschiller2@…>Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 10:49 AM
In this country, municipal sewage and stormwater runoff are combined and end up in the same treatment plants.And in each major storm event, the municipal sewage treatment plants of most towns become overwhelmed with the volume of water. Millions of gallons of untreated sewage are dumped into rivers, bays and oceans each time. More sewage in one iof these events than all the pleasure boats in the entire country have out out for a year.The outout of small boat marine heads and ensuing ennvironmental impact are small potatoes compared to the damage cause by one such occurance. But, we and our boats are easier targets for legislators to deal with, rather than solving the real problems, which would require municiple govenments to modernize their treatment plants.Bu solutions are available. I’m not suggesting that boatesr should be allowed to pump the contents of their toilets into local waters. They should use composting
toilets like the Airhead. Composting toilets have been used in Euopre for decades. If they were used in large numbers for residential applications, the problems of municipal sewage treatment and water shortages would be solved. If composting toilets were used in Thrd World countries would vastly improve local water quality and would save millions of lives annually.OK, I’m off the soapbox now.Steve GaberSanderling, 1967 C-31 #77Oldsmar, FL---- Herman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@suddenli nk.net> wrote: > Because Bureaucrats cannot handle nuance, details, and even science. > Some guys will emphasize the nitrogen present in urine being BAD for > our pristine waters, never mind all the lawn fertilizer that washes > into the water with each rainstorm. Herm> > At 12:32 PM 10/24/2008, you
wrote:> > >In light of this discussion on disposal of urine, it is worth noting > >that in normal people urine is sterile and not toxic. The > >exceptions are in people with urinary track disease, generally > >cystitis, and few of these persons would want to be on a boat.> >> >I fail to see why regulations include discharge of urine, > >especially if discharge is done substantially off-shore.> >> > - Rees Midgley> >> >> >On Oct 21, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Peter Bennett wrote:> >> >> >> >The problem is in Rhode Island and in the Florida Keys it is illegal> >to discharge anything so you are out of luck without a holding tank> >there.> >> >— In > ><mailto:FreedomOwn ersGroup% 40yahoogroups. com>FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com, > >“daniel.oshaughnes sy”> ><daniel.oshaughnes sy@…> wrote:> > >> > > I finished installing a Nature’s Head composting toilet in my F33> >(Hull> > > 45) about a week ago. The toilet is of a robust construction. I> >looked> > > at the alternative AirHead, whilst at the Annapolis boat show, but> > > thought it looked somewhat flimsy.> > > Now the important bits!!!> > > Does it smell? Not so far.> > > My head is now a delightful place to stand and shave!!!> > > I ventured up on the foredeck yesterday, where the air vent is> >sited. I> > > couldn’t resist sniffing around the area and was unable to perceive> > > any “sewage” smell. The vent is
permanently hooked up to the> >toilets> > > small extractor fan.> > > As the installation appeared to be a success, I took great pleasure> >in> >> > –
Posted by Skipper Skip (skipperf33@…>)
DOUBLE AMEN!!!
— On Fri, 10/24/08, sgaber@… <sgaber@…> wrote:
From: sgaber@… <sgaber@…>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Composting toiletTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comCc: “mbb05055” <mary.bigelow@…>Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 11:55 AM
Just dump 'em overboard or pee over the side.I’m a Park Ranger and I approve of this message.Steve GaberSanderling, 1967 C-31 #77Oldsmar, FL---- mbb05055 <mary.bigelow@ hotmail.com> wrote: > I figure that if it’s a no discharge zone there must be pump out> stations , right???> > My husband and I have two Airhead jugs and we fill them up pretty fast> when we are cruising for days and weeks at a time. Have to think> ahead a little… Not a problem in downeast Maine but I could> imagine it being annoying further south> > Mary> F 30 Corydora> Belfast Maine> –
Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
Your soapboxing (sic) is absolutely appropriate. Until communities
spend the money to separate storm sewers and sanitary sewers they
really do not have any claim on righteousness. NY spent lotsa bucks
doing this for the old cities along the Hudson River, and I believe
San Diego forced their citizens to remove their downspouts from their
sewer system. It’s all about doing the right thing.
Herm
At 01:49 PM 10/24/2008, you wrote:
In this country, municipal sewage and stormwater runoff are combined
and end up in the same treatment plants.
And in each major storm event, the municipal sewage treatment plants
of most towns become overwhelmed with the volume of water. Millions
of gallons of untreated sewage are dumped into rivers, bays and
oceans each time. More sewage in one iof these events than all the
pleasure boats in the entire country have out out for a year.
The outout of small boat marine heads and ensuing ennvironmental
impact are small potatoes compared to the damage cause by one such occurance.
But, we and our boats are easier targets for legislators to deal
with, rather than solving the real problems, which would require
municiple govenments to modernize their treatment plants.
Bu solutions are available. I’m not suggesting that boatesr should
be allowed to pump the contents of their toilets into local waters.
They should use composting toilets like the Airhead.
Composting toilets have been used in Euopre for decades. If they
were used in large numbers for residential applications, the
problems of municipal sewage treatment and water shortages would be
solved. If composting toilets were used in Thrd World countries
would vastly improve local water quality and would save millions of
lives annually.
Because Bureaucrats cannot handle nuance, details, and even science.
Some guys will emphasize the nitrogen present in urine being BAD for
our pristine waters, never mind all the lawn fertilizer that washes
into the water with each rainstorm. Herm
At 12:32 PM 10/24/2008, you wrote:
In light of this discussion on disposal of urine, it is worth noting
that in normal people urine is sterile and not toxic. The
exceptions are in people with urinary track disease, generally
cystitis, and few of these persons would want to be on a boat.
I fail to see why regulations include discharge of urine,
especially if discharge is done substantially off-shore.
Rees Midgley
On Oct 21, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Peter Bennett wrote:
The problem is in Rhode Island and in the Florida Keys it is illegal
to discharge anything so you are out of luck without a holding tank
there.
I finished installing a Nature’s Head composting toilet in my F33
(Hull
45) about a week ago. The toilet is of a robust construction. I
looked
at the alternative AirHead, whilst at the Annapolis boat show, but
thought it looked somewhat flimsy.
Now the important bits!!!
Does it smell? Not so far.
My head is now a delightful place to stand and shave!!!
I ventured up on the foredeck yesterday, where the air vent is
sited. I
couldn’t resist sniffing around the area and was unable to perceive
any “sewage” smell. The vent is permanently hooked up to the
toilets
small extractor fan.
As the installation appeared to be a success, I took great pleasure
in
This is the 39 PH Schooner Goodwind and yes we have a great time racing
down the bay with Resolute - even though she nearly always beats us! www.schoonerrace.org
I installed an Airhead four years ago and never looked back. I love it -
another advantage is the total lack of noise. Those late night guest
trips to the head used to wake everyone up with all that pumping
swishing and sucking sounds. Now wonderful silence!
Other advantages - I eliminated two more thu-hulls - Traditional Heads
are known to flood and even sink boats. No sloshing of leftover water
in heavy seas either.
No winterization work
I did build a step of about 4 inches for your feet when seated as
composters are a bit taller.
When guests baord I do the usual “how to use the head” review and
remind them to keep the lid down (helps keep the negative air pressure
working to keep the head smelling great) and to report to me when the
urine tank is getting full.
The volume is the issue with new construction in Florida. We
boaters add very little to the massive volume of waste created by housing.
Luckily, new construction is down in South Florida. The
contamination of the water in the keys is a real problem. The infrastructure
can not handle the sewage…yet they built and built to accommodate the real
estate boom.
In FTL we can easily call and they pump our tanks. Leave 30
under the cushion and they will do it while you are off at lunch.
Girlfriend
F-32
Scott Forgey
21362 Summertrace Circle
Boca Raton, FL 33428
561.445.5179
skype: sforgey1
“Nothing is ever wrong in the universe, there is only what’s
missing!”
I figure that if it’s a no discharge zone there must be pump out
stations , right???
My husband and I have two Airhead jugs and we fill them up pretty fast
when we are cruising for days and weeks at a time. Have to think
ahead a little… Not a problem in downeast Maine but I could
imagine it being annoying further south
Mary
F 30 Corydora
Belfast Maine
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