Definitive Freedom Yachts Model List

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Posted by rcm (rcm@…>)

Hello, New member here, in the process of buying a Freedom yacht
which is a long held ambition!

However, the boat that I have found is described as being a Freedom 30
circa 1982. It is a ketch with the wishbone rig.

However, I’m having problems identifying any other boats on the market
for comparison. I have found another yacht which appears to be
identical but is described as being a Freedom 29.

Does anyone have a definitive list of models produced by the builder,
preferably ordered by year?

Thanks!

Richard

2

Posted by vladimir_ud (eremeev@…>)

Are you talking about Freedom 30 on boats.com located somewhere in UK?
It is exactly same boat as my US 1979 Freedom 28.

It seems like Europe used different measure for boat length.
In US it is hull length, in Europe it is overall length, i guess…



— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “rcm” <rcm@…> wrote:

Hello, New member here, in the process of buying a Freedom yacht
which is a long held ambition!

However, the boat that I have found is described as being a Freedom 30
circa 1982. It is a ketch with the wishbone rig.

However, I’m having problems identifying any other boats on the market
for comparison. I have found another yacht which appears to be
identical but is described as being a Freedom 29.

Does anyone have a definitive list of models produced by the builder,
preferably ordered by year?

Thanks!

Richard

3

Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)

Richard,

It’s like Vladimir says. The US F28CK (cetketch) is the UK built F30CK.
Likewise, the US F33CK is the UK built F35CK. The F40CK is named F40
on both sides of the Atlantic. As far as I know, all the other Freedom,
mainly the sloops, were only built in the USA, so when shipped and sold
to Europe, they kept their original type name. I guess these
differences stem from the fact that in the USA, it’s very unhealthy for
a boat builder to overstate the boat’s length. At the time, the claim
culture was not so developed in Europe, so they weren’t too afraid to
round up the type names.

But perhaps there’s a whole different philosophy behind it that I don’t
know of.

Best,
Michel Capel
F44CK, hull length 12.90m = 42.32’; overall length 13.70m = 44.95’


— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “rcm” <rcm@…> wrote:

Hello, New member here, in the process of buying a Freedom yacht
which is a long held ambition!

However, the boat that I have found is described as being a Freedom 30
circa 1982. It is a ketch with the wishbone rig.

However, I’m having problems identifying any other boats on the market
for comparison. I have found another yacht which appears to be
identical but is described as being a Freedom 29.

Does anyone have a definitive list of models produced by the builder,
preferably ordered by year?

Thanks!

Richard

4

Posted by rcm (rcm@…>)

Thanks all for the replies - this certainly looks to be the answer to
the riddle. It seems however that Freedom made certain changes to the
layout below. The one that I’m interested in has the galley
immediately under the companionway to port, the heads opposite on
starboard, a saloon with table on the centreboard box and berths
/seats either side with a double V-berth in the forepeak. There seems
to be considerable variation in layouts having looked at other 28’s on
Yachtworld!

Vlad - does your boat have the 2 ply wrap around sails on wishbones?
If so, I’d be very interested in your experiences with this rig and
also any advice you can give me on getting new sails built and am
considering the option of having mast tracks installed so that I can
move away from the 2 ply sails (which are rotten!)

Thanks again,
Richard

5

Posted by nathansteve (Nathansteve@…>)

-As part of our NW Freedom Rendezvous we have started putting tgether a
list of Freedom models and years nad designers. Here is a copy of this
list. Anyone who can add information to this list please contact us at
nathansteve@…

We would love to assemble a complete list.
Model Years # Produced Designer Comments
F-21 Hoyt
F-25 Hoyt
F-28 Mull Cat Sloop
F-29 Hoyt Cat Sloop, GunMount
Spinnaker ;
Similar in design to
32
F-30 1986 Mull Cat Sloop, Gun Mount Spinnaker
F-32 Hoyt Cat Sloop ,Gun Mount Spinnaker
F-33 Hoyt
F-35 1993 85 David Pedrick
F-36 Mull Cat Sloop or Ketch, Gun Mount
Spinnaker
F-38 Mull Same as 36 but with sugar scoop
swim platform
F-39 Ron Holland Pilothouse Schooner
F-40 1976- Hoyt Cat Ketch
F-40/40 David Pedrick
F-42 Mull Cat Sloop
F-44 Hoyt Cat Ketch
F-45 Up to #54 Mull Same as 42 but with sugar scoop
swim platform



Gary Hoyt founded Freedom Yachts in 1976 with the F-40.
Gary Hoyt sold Freedom Yachts in 1985.
Gary Hoyt lives in R.I.
Gary Mull died in 1994 at age 55 from cancer.
Ron Holland apprenticed under Gary Mull.


– In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “rcm” <rcm@…> wrote:

Hello, New member here, in the process of buying a Freedom yacht
which is a long held ambition!

However, the boat that I have found is described as being a Freedom 30
circa 1982. It is a ketch with the wishbone rig.

However, I’m having problems identifying any other boats on the market
for comparison. I have found another yacht which appears to be
identical but is described as being a Freedom 29.

Does anyone have a definitive list of models produced by the builder,
preferably ordered by year?

Thanks!

Richard

6

Posted by Thomas Wales (twales@…>)

If any of you ever has a reason to call Garry Hoyt (he still takes
phone calls), ask him about the original F40 he raced in the
Bahamas. It had no engine and was propelled by sweeps (long
oars). He won many races with that boat and no only is an innovator
ahead of his time, but a he’s also a real hoot.
TW
F32 Anoush Koon, Pemaquid ME


At 02:53 PM 8/26/2008, you wrote:

-As part of our NW Freedom Rendezvous we have started putting tgether a
list of Freedom models and years nad designers. Here is a copy of this
list. Anyone who can add information to this list please contact us at
mailto:nathansteve%40msn.comnathansteve@…

We would love to assemble a complete list.
Model Years# ProducedDesignerComments
F-21 Hoyt
F-25 Hoyt
F-28 Mull Cat Sloop
F-29 Hoyt Cat Sloop, GunMount
Spinnaker ;
Similar in design to
32
F-301986 MullCat Sloop, Gun Mount Spinnaker
F-32 HoytCat Sloop ,Gun Mount Spinnaker
F-33 Hoyt
F-351993 85 David Pedrick
F-36 MullCat Sloop or Ketch, Gun Mount
Spinnaker
F-38 MullSame as 36 but with sugar scoop
swim platform
F-39 Ron HollandPilothouse Schooner
F-401976- HoytCat Ketch
F-40/40 David Pedrick
F-42 MullCat Sloop
F-44 HoytCat Ketch
F-45Up to #54MullSame as 42 but with sugar scoop
swim platform

Gary Hoyt founded Freedom Yachts in 1976 with the F-40.
Gary Hoyt sold Freedom Yachts in 1985.
Gary Hoyt lives in R.I.
Gary Mull died in 1994 at age 55 from cancer.
Ron Holland apprenticed under Gary Mull.

– In
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.comFreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
,
“rcm” <rcm@…> wrote:

Hello, New member here, in the process of buying a Freedom yacht
which is a long held ambition!

However, the boat that I have found is described as being a Freedom 30
circa 1982. It is a ketch with the wishbone rig.

However, I’m having problems identifying any other boats on the market
for comparison. I have found another yacht which appears to be
identical but is described as being a Freedom 29.

Does anyone have a definitive list of models produced by the builder,
preferably ordered by year?

Thanks!

Richard

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Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)


He
also usually shows up at the Annapolis Boat Show in October, with his Alerions.



From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Thomas Wales
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:17 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Definitive Freedom Yachts Model
List

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If any of you ever has a reason to call Garry
Hoyt (he still takes
phone calls), ask him about the original F40 he raced in the
Bahamas. It had no engine and was propelled by sweeps (long
oars). He won many races with that boat and no only is an innovator
ahead of his time, but a he’s also a real hoot.
TW
F32 Anoush Koon, Pemaquid ME

At 02:53 PM 8/26/2008, you wrote:

-As part of our NW Freedom Rendezvous we have started putting tgether a
list of Freedom models and years nad designers. Here is a copy of this
list. Anyone who can add information to this list please contact us at
mailto:nathansteve%40msn.comnathansteve@…

We would love to assemble a complete list.
Model Years# ProducedDesignerComments
F-21 Hoyt
F-25 Hoyt
F-28 Mull Cat Sloop
F-29 Hoyt Cat Sloop, GunMount
Spinnaker ;
Similar in design to
32
F-301986 MullCat Sloop, Gun Mount Spinnaker
F-32 HoytCat Sloop ,Gun Mount Spinnaker
F-33 Hoyt
F-351993 85 David Pedrick
F-36 MullCat Sloop or Ketch, Gun Mount
Spinnaker
F-38 MullSame as 36 but with sugar scoop
swim platform
F-39 Ron HollandPilothouse Schooner
F-401976- HoytCat Ketch
F-40/40 David Pedrick
F-42 MullCat Sloop
F-44 HoytCat Ketch
F-45Up to #54MullSame as 42 but with sugar scoop
swim platform

Gary Hoyt founded Freedom Yachts in 1976 with the F-40.
Gary Hoyt sold Freedom Yachts in 1985.
Gary Hoyt lives in R.I.
Gary Mull died in 1994 at age 55 from cancer.
Ron Holland apprenticed under Gary Mull.

– In
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.comFreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com,

“rcm” <rcm@…> wrote:

Hello, New member here, in the process of buying a Freedom yacht
which is a long held ambition!

However, the boat that I have found is described as being a Freedom
30
circa 1982. It is a ketch with the wishbone rig.

However, I’m having problems identifying any other boats on the
market
for comparison. I have found another yacht which appears to be
identical but is described as being a Freedom 29.

Does anyone have a definitive list of models produced by the builder,
preferably ordered by year?

Thanks!

Richard

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Posted by Thomas Wales (twales@…>)

Last I heard from Garry, he no longer represents Alerion Express
Yachts. They wanted to move in another direction,
marketing-wise. He may still show up with his new rig.



At 03:25 PM 8/26/2008, you wrote:

He also usually shows up at the Annapolis Boat Show in October, with
his Alerions.

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Wales
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:17 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Definitive Freedom Yachts Model List

If any of you ever has a reason to call Garry Hoyt (he still takes
phone calls), ask him about the original F40 he raced in the
Bahamas. It had no engine and was propelled by sweeps (long
oars). He won many races with that boat and no only is an innovator
ahead of his time, but a he’s also a real hoot.
TW
F32 Anoush Koon, Pemaquid ME

At 02:53 PM 8/26/2008, you wrote:

-As part of our NW Freedom Rendezvous we have started putting tgether a
list of Freedom models and years nad designers. Here is a copy of this
list. Anyone who can add information to this list please contact us at
mailto:nathansteve%40msn.commailto:nathansteve%40msn.comnathans
teve@…

We would love to assemble a complete list.
Model Years# ProducedDesignerComments
F-21 Hoyt
F-25 Hoyt
F-28 Mull Cat Sloop
F-29 Hoyt Cat Sloop, GunMount
Spinnaker ;
Similar in design to
32
F-301986 MullCat Sloop, Gun Mount Spinnaker
F-32 HoytCat Sloop ,Gun Mount Spinnaker
F-33 Hoyt
F-351993 85 David Pedrick
F-36 MullCat Sloop or Ketch, Gun Mount
Spinnaker
F-38 MullSame as 36 but with sugar scoop
swim platform
F-39 Ron HollandPilothouse Schooner
F-401976- HoytCat Ketch
F-40/40 David Pedrick
F-42 MullCat Sloop
F-44 HoytCat Ketch
F-45Up to #54MullSame as 42 but with sugar scoop
swim platform

Gary Hoyt founded Freedom Yachts in 1976 with the F-40.
Gary Hoyt sold Freedom Yachts in 1985.
Gary Hoyt lives in R.I.
Gary Mull died in 1994 at age 55 from cancer.
Ron Holland apprenticed under Gary Mull.

– In
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:FreedomOwnersG
roup%40yahoogroups.com>FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com,
“rcm” <rcm@…> wrote:

Hello, New member here, in the process of buying a Freedom yacht
which is a long held ambition!

However, the boat that I have found is described as being a Freedom 30
circa 1982. It is a ketch with the wishbone rig.

However, I’m having problems identifying any other boats on the market
for comparison. I have found another yacht which appears to be
identical but is described as being a Freedom 29.

Does anyone have a definitive list of models produced by the builder,
preferably ordered by year?

Thanks!

Richard

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Posted by vladimir_ud (eremeev@…>)

Richard, you describe interior of early centerboard models. They also
feature light colored (yellowish) wood inside (I still can not
identify the wood, may be birch). They also have wooden toerail on
outside (instead of aluminum). There were very few boats built in US,
I have heard number 10. There are two variation - “open interior” and
enclosed V-berth. “Open interior” has partial fore bullhead and there
is no door. Other than that, both layouts are similar.

I have seen two more layouts for fixed keel models. Fixed keel boats
have a lot more room inside (It seems like they have, because trunk is
gone) and there are variations with galley/pilot berth locations. They
have head next to V-birth.

About the rig.

Original owner of the boat didn’t like wrap-around sails. At some
point he had entire rigs replaced at a factory. Masts, booms,
everything. So, I’m lucky - I have “conventional” rigs with newer
masts. It shows - there is no single surface crack, typical for first
generation of masts.

However I was looking for the right boat for about 5 years and I
thought a lot about what I’d do with wrap-around sails.

I’d keep wishbooms. I’d put track and use single ply sail, similar
set-up to Nonsuch boats.

My track is riveted, so, I guess, riveting is a right way to do it.

If you get fancy, and purchase carbonfiber track, then, I guess, it
can be glued/epoxied to a mast.

Good luck anyway and welcome to the board.

Vlad




— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “rcm” <rcm@…> wrote:

Thanks all for the replies - this certainly looks to be the answer to
the riddle. It seems however that Freedom made certain changes to the
layout below. The one that I’m interested in has the galley
immediately under the companionway to port, the heads opposite on
starboard, a saloon with table on the centreboard box and berths
/seats either side with a double V-berth in the forepeak. There seems
to be considerable variation in layouts having looked at other 28’s on
Yachtworld!

Vlad - does your boat have the 2 ply wrap around sails on wishbones?
If so, I’d be very interested in your experiences with this rig and
also any advice you can give me on getting new sails built and am
considering the option of having mast tracks installed so that I can
move away from the 2 ply sails (which are rotten!)

Thanks again,
Richard

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Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)

I have a few magazine articles about the first Freedom catketch and
the era around 1978. I’ll try to post them here in the files section.
Michel


— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Wales <twales@…>
wrote:

If any of you ever has a reason to call Garry Hoyt (he still takes
phone calls), ask him about the original F40 he raced in the
Bahamas. It had no engine and was propelled by sweeps (long
oars). He won many races with that boat and no only is an
innovator
ahead of his time, but a he’s also a real hoot.
TW
F32 Anoush Koon, Pemaquid ME

At 02:53 PM 8/26/2008, you wrote:

-As part of our NW Freedom Rendezvous we have started putting
tgether a
list of Freedom models and years nad designers. Here is a copy of
this
list. Anyone who can add information to this list please contact
us at
mailto:nathansteve%40msn.comnathansteve@…

We would love to assemble a complete list.
Model Years# ProducedDesignerComments
F-21 Hoyt
F-25 Hoyt
F-28 Mull Cat Sloop
F-29 Hoyt Cat Sloop, GunMount
Spinnaker ;
Similar in design to
32
F-301986 MullCat Sloop, Gun Mount Spinnaker
F-32 HoytCat Sloop ,Gun Mount Spinnaker
F-33 Hoyt
F-351993 85 David Pedrick
F-36 MullCat Sloop or Ketch, Gun Mount
Spinnaker
F-38 MullSame as 36 but with sugar scoop
swim platform
F-39 Ron HollandPilothouse Schooner
F-401976- HoytCat Ketch
F-40/40 David Pedrick
F-42 MullCat Sloop
F-44 HoytCat Ketch
F-45Up to #54MullSame as 42 but with sugar scoop
swim platform

Gary Hoyt founded Freedom Yachts in 1976 with the F-40.
Gary Hoyt sold Freedom Yachts in 1985.
Gary Hoyt lives in R.I.
Gary Mull died in 1994 at age 55 from cancer.
Ron Holland apprenticed under Gary Mull.

– In
<mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%
40yahoogroups.com>FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com,
“rcm” <rcm@> wrote:

Hello, New member here, in the process of buying a Freedom yacht
which is a long held ambition!

However, the boat that I have found is described as being a
Freedom 30
circa 1982. It is a ketch with the wishbone rig.

However, I’m having problems identifying any other boats on the
market
for comparison. I have found another yacht which appears to be
identical but is described as being a Freedom 29.

Does anyone have a definitive list of models produced by the
builder,
preferably ordered by year?

Thanks!

Richard

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Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)

I believe the early boats used Ash for the interiors. My 1982
25-footer did. Herm

At 09:32 PM 8/26/2008, you wrote:

Richard, you describe interior of early centerboard models. They also
feature light colored (yellowish) wood inside (I still can not
identify the wood, may be birch). They also have wooden toerail on
outside (instead of aluminum). There were very few boats built in US,
I have heard number 10. There are two variation - “open interior” and
enclosed V-berth. “Open interior” has partial fore bullhead and there
is no door. Other than that, both layouts are similar.

I have seen two more layouts for fixed keel models. Fixed keel boats
have a lot more room inside (It seems like they have, because trunk is
gone) and there are variations with galley/pilot berth locations. They
have head next to V-birth.

About the rig.

Original owner of the boat didn’t like wrap-around sails. At some
point he had entire rigs replaced at a factory. Masts, booms,
everything. So, I’m lucky - I have “conventional” rigs with newer
masts. It shows - there is no single surface crack, typical for first
generation of masts.

However I was looking for the right boat for about 5 years and I
thought a lot about what I’d do with wrap-around sails.

I’d keep wishbooms. I’d put track and use single ply sail, similar
set-up to Nonsuch boats.

My track is riveted, so, I guess, riveting is a right way to do it.

If you get fancy, and purchase carbonfiber track, then, I guess, it
can be glued/epoxied to a mast.

Good luck anyway and welcome to the board.

Vlad

— In
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.comFreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
,
“rcm” <rcm@…> wrote:

Thanks all for the replies - this certainly looks to be the answer to
the riddle. It seems however that Freedom made certain changes to the
layout below. The one that I’m interested in has the galley
immediately under the companionway to port, the heads opposite on
starboard, a saloon with table on the centreboard box and berths
/seats either side with a double V-berth in the forepeak. There seems
to be considerable variation in layouts having looked at other 28’s on
Yachtworld!

Vlad - does your boat have the 2 ply wrap around sails on wishbones?
If so, I’d be very interested in your experiences with this rig and
also any advice you can give me on getting new sails built and am
considering the option of having mast tracks installed so that I can
move away from the 2 ply sails (which are rotten!)

Thanks again,
Richard

12

Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)

The UK version of the Freedom 28 Ketch was designated as a Freedom
30. Herm

At 11:28 AM 8/25/2008, you wrote:

Hello, New member here, in the process of buying a Freedom yacht
which is a long held ambition!

However, the boat that I have found is described as being a Freedom 30
circa 1982. It is a ketch with the wishbone rig.

However, I’m having problems identifying any other boats on the market
for comparison. I have found another yacht which appears to be
identical but is described as being a Freedom 29.

Does anyone have a definitive list of models produced by the builder,
preferably ordered by year?

Thanks!

Richard