Diesel Engine

Herman_and_Gail_Schi · November 23, 2008, 7:59pm

Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)

These pumps are generally in rural (farm) areas, and places where
heavy equipment is regularly towed around on trailers. We have a big
pine-lumbering business in the area (and a stinking paper-making
plant, too) which require a lot of off-road logging contraptions. Herm

At 02:54 PM 11/23/2008, you wrote:

Ok,

Two points reiterated. Most tanks have baffles that have to be
taken into consideration when polishing fuel or cleaning them. And
the red dye used for “off-road” diesel is also present in diesel
sold in marinas for the same reason that it does not have road tax
applied to it, although in most states sales tax still applies.

One additional point. If you are about to take that cover plate off
your tank, do yourself a favor and index it. Most of the time the
screw holes are not evenly spaced so there will be but one way to
re-install it. You can index it yourself easily with a line drawn
across it with a sharpie pen or two arrows etc…

Now I need to find a cheap fuel dock or an off-road pump in the
Annapolis area before the prices go back up!

George

— On Sun, 11/23/08, Herman and Gail Schiller
<hschiller2@…> wrote:
From: Herman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@…>
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Diesel Engine
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 2:45 PM

Hey, my fuel is red; I buy it at an “off-road” pump about 6 miles
away from my home. Your fuel might have been bought at such a pump. Herm

At 10:01 AM 11/23/2008, you wrote:

Most Freedoms have an access port in the top of the fuel tank. This
should be removed and the debris agitated as the fuel is being
polished. Polishing is not a quick process and takes time, that is
why it is expensive when having it professionally done. I will be
polishing the 30+ gallons in my F32 myself using a borrowed
polishing system which is basically a Racor 500FG filter assy, an
RCI technology fuel purifier and a fuel pump, I expect to run this
system at least 4 to 6 hours. After polishing I will use a ‘cetane’
booster to improve the combustability of the fuel.

The fuel in my tank was thought to be at least 3 years old when I
bought the boat in June, it almost looked like dyed ‘off-road’
fuel. I had considered just disposing of the fuel and cleaning the
tank by hand, the disposal of the old diesel would be a bit of a
problem though.

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Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 9:24 AM
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Last year my boat suffered a near terminal dose of bad fuel. Tried
all the so called remedies but in the end the only solution was to
fully drain the fuel into approx 25 litres containers and allow the
fuel to settle. The sediment eventually does drop to the bottom. The
fuel tank was only capable of being cleaned by cutting a lid into
the top and very carefully removing the considerable amount of algae
that had accumulated. Thereafter the clear fuel was decanted into
the fuel tank but leaving approx 2 - 4 litres in the container that
was then again allowed to settle. I only lost about 10 litres out of
225 litres. New in line filters were fitted as well in time the
engine fule filter. No problems after this seasons use. Beware
claims for fuel polishing as the problem will almost certainly be
residual crud in the bottom of the tank that no fuel polishing
will ever cure.

David H

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I have used a fuel “polishing” filter system made by algae-x, it
worked well once I was able to get to the lowest level of the tank-
that is where all the water and crud was.

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From: “lolaltd” <lolaltd@yahoo. com>
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:23:52 -0000
To: <FreedomOwnersGroup @ yahoogroups. com>
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Diesel Engine

–Yes, and i was taught how to bleed the engine…and that is when we
found the crud.

Wondering if others have had the flush out and cleaning of the fuel
with good results?

Lola F30 1987

lolaltd · November 23, 2008, 8:00pm

Posted by lolaltd (lolaltd@…>)

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, george huffman
<thatboatguy2@…> wrote:

Where are you?

Im in SC

LOla

        --- In FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com, Herman and

Gail Schiller

<hschiller2@ …> wrote:

Herm,

Mine is red, bought at my Marina

Lola

george_huffman1 · November 23, 2008, 9:30pm

Posted by george huffman (thatboatguy2@…>)
Also found in truck stops for refer-fuel. But depending on the truck stop they may or may not let you fill jerries.George— On Sun, 11/23/08, Herman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@…> wrote:From: Herman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@…>Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Diesel EngineTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comDate: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 2:59 PM

These pumps are generally in rural (farm) areas, and places where
heavy equipment is regularly towed around on trailers. We have a big
pine-lumbering business in the area (and a stinking paper-making
plant, too) which require a lot of off-road logging contraptions. Herm

At 02:54 PM 11/23/2008, you wrote:

Ok,

Two points reiterated. Most tanks have baffles that have to be
taken into consideration when polishing fuel or cleaning them. And
the red dye used for “off-road” diesel is also present in diesel
sold in marinas for the same reason that it does not have road tax
applied to it, although in most states sales tax still applies.

One additional point. If you are about to take that cover plate off
your tank, do yourself a favor and index it. Most of the time the
screw holes are not evenly spaced so there will be but one way to
re-install it. You can index it yourself easily with a line drawn
across it with a sharpie pen or two arrows etc…

Now I need to find a cheap fuel dock or an off-road pump in the
Annapolis area before the prices go back up!

George

— On Sun, 11/23/08, Herman and Gail Schiller
<hschiller2@suddenli nk.net> wrote:
From: Herman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@suddenli nk.net>
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Diesel Engine
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 2:45 PM

Hey, my fuel is red; I buy it at an “off-road” pump about 6 miles
away from my home. Your fuel might have been bought at such a pump. Herm

At 10:01 AM 11/23/2008, you wrote:

Most Freedoms have an access port in the top of the fuel tank. This
should be removed and the debris agitated as the fuel is being
polished. Polishing is not a quick process and takes time, that is
why it is expensive when having it professionally done. I will be
polishing the 30+ gallons in my F32 myself using a borrowed
polishing system which is basically a Racor 500FG filter assy, an
RCI technology fuel purifier and a fuel pump, I expect to run this
system at least 4 to 6 hours. After polishing I will use a ‘cetane’
booster to improve the combustability of the fuel.

The fuel in my tank was thought to be at least 3 years old when I
bought the boat in June, it almost looked like dyed ‘off-road’
fuel. I had considered just disposing of the fuel and cleaning the
tank by hand, the disposal of the old diesel would be a bit of a
problem though.

From:
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yahoogroups. com
[mailto:FreedomOwn ersGroup@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of DAVID HEAD
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 9:24 AM
To:
<mailto:FreedomOwne rsGroup%40yahoog roups.com> FreedomOwnersGro up@
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Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Diesel Engine

Last year my boat suffered a near terminal dose of bad fuel. Tried
all the so called remedies but in the end the only solution was to
fully drain the fuel into approx 25 litres containers and allow the
fuel to settle. The sediment eventually does drop to the bottom. The
fuel tank was only capable of being cleaned by cutting a lid into
the top and very carefully removing the considerable amount of algae
that had accumulated. Thereafter the clear fuel was decanted into
the fuel tank but leaving approx 2 - 4 litres in the container that
was then again allowed to settle. I only lost about 10 litres out of
225 litres. New in line filters were fitted as well in time the
engine fule filter. No problems after this seasons use. Beware
claims for fuel polishing as the problem will almost certainly be
residual crud in the bottom of the tank that no fuel polishing
will ever cure.

David H

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Sent: Sunday, 23 November, 2008 2:14:03 PM
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Diesel Engine

I have used a fuel “polishing” filter system made by algae-x, it
worked well once I was able to get to the lowest level of the tank-
that is where all the water and crud was.

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

From: “lolaltd” <lolaltd@yahoo. com>
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:23:52 -0000
To: <FreedomOwnersGroup @ yahoogroups. com>
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Diesel Engine

–Yes, and i was taught how to bleed the engine…and that is when we
found the crud.

Wondering if others have had the flush out and cleaning of the fuel
with good results?

Lola F30 1987

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george_huffman1 · November 23, 2008, 9:32pm

Posted by george huffman (thatboatguy2@…>)
Bummer, too far to go for a $400 job. You need a new engine? heh heh George— On Sun, 11/23/08, lolaltd <lolaltd@…> wrote:From: lolaltd <lolaltd@…>Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Diesel EngineTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comDate: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 3:00 PM

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com, george huffman
<thatboatguy2@ …> wrote:

Where are you?

Im in SC

LOla

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com, Herman and
Gail Schiller

<hschiller2@ …> wrote:

Herm,

Mine is red, bought at my Marina

Lola

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lolaltd · November 23, 2008, 9:47pm

Posted by lolaltd (lolaltd@…>)

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, george huffman
<thatboatguy2@…> wrote:

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George STOP IT…LOL…A

Bummer, too far to go for a $400 job. You need a new engine? heh heh

George

— On Sun, 11/23/08, lolaltd <lolaltd@…> wrote:
From: lolaltd <lolaltd@…>
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Diesel Engine
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 3:00 PM
        --- In FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com, george huffman
<thatboatguy2@ …> wrote:

Where are you?

Im in SC

LOla
        --- In FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com, Herman and
Gail Schiller

<hschiller2@ …> wrote:

Herm,

Mine is red, bought at my Marina

Lola

Alan_Kusinitz · November 23, 2008, 10:21pm

Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)

My understanding is diesel fuel is colored red in the US for uses
that are not subject to the automotive highway taxes so its cheaper. No other
difference.
Alan

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Behalf Of lolaltd
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:52 PM
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Herman and Gail Schiller
<hschiller2@…> wrote:

Herm,

Mine is red, bought at my Marina

Lola

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Thomas_Wales · November 24, 2008, 2:26pm

Posted by Thomas Wales (twales@…>)

Hi Lola,
If your fuel is dirty, you’ll probably end up with sediment
in the tank which happened to me a few years ago. I bit the bullet,
emptied the tank (saving the fuel), opened up the empty tank and
cleaned out the sediment. It’s an unpleasant job, but it needed to
get done. I had the fuel filtered before returning it to my clean
tank. I also replaced the elements in my fuel filters.
Good luck,
TW F32 Anoush Koon, Pemaquid, ME

At 09:20 PM 11/22/2008, you wrote:

-Well, I have a new problem, if you can give advice on.

My fuel is dirty and contaminated.

Weds, I have a man who will clean my fuel, by running through filters.

The engine starts, then turns off.

Fellow sailor at Marina noted its very dirty, even when we changed the
filter.

I have a full tank.

Any one else have their fuel cleaned?

Thank you

Lola F 30 1978

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Jim_Demerest · November 24, 2008, 5:43pm

Posted by Jim Demerest (jdemer@…>)

Just want to add my 2 cents. I had fuel problems with my 36/38 several years ago. Had the fuel “polished” by pros and with a rig made by a friend. Also, drained the tank and tried to clean it. Nothing worked. An older friend said he pumps the low point in his tank a couple of times a year and never has problems. Tried that and it work. First time got water and gunk after that just gunk. Finally only clean fuel. Without water you can’t get algae. Also, replaced the “o” ring in the fuel filler cap. It’s been close to ten years since I’ve had any problems.

BTW my tank has an inspection tank on the forward inboard end.

Jim Demerest
F36/38 Lady of Remes

Weeks_MD_Andrew · November 24, 2008, 5:59pm

Posted by Weeks MD, Andrew (aweeks@…>)

Once a few years I let the
tank get low; open the inspection port and siphon out the fuel (using a battery
powered kerosene pump form the hardware store). All old oil I take home and put
in my heating oil tank; I use disposable diapers and wipe out the tank then
refill with clean diesel form jerry cans. It’s a great time to calibrate
the gage on often odd shaped fuel tank.
Andy weeks Windfall, F30

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Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008
10:01 AM
To:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Re: Diesel Engine

Most Freedoms
have an access port in the top of the fuel tank. This should be removed
and the debris agitated as the fuel is being polished. Polishing is not a
quick process and takes time, that is why it is expensive when having it
professionally done. I will be polishing the 30+ gallons in my F32 myself
using a borrowed polishing system which is basically a Racor 500FG filter assy,
an RCI technology fuel purifier and a fuel pump, I expect to run this system at
least 4 to 6 hours. After polishing I will use a ‘cetane’ booster to
improve the combustability of the fuel.

The fuel in my
tank was thought to be at least 3 years old when I bought the boat in June, it
almost looked like dyed ‘off-road’ fuel. I had considered just disposing
of the fuel and cleaning the tank by hand, the disposal of the old diesel would
be a bit of a problem though.

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DAVID HEAD
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008
9:24 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Re: Diesel Engine

Last year my boat suffered a near terminal dose of bad
fuel. Tried all the so called remedies but in the end the only solution was to
fully drain the fuel into approx 25 litres containers and allow the fuel to
settle. The sediment eventually does drop to the bottom. The fuel tank was only
capable of being cleaned by cutting a lid into the top and very carefully
removing the considerable amount of algae that had accumulated. Thereafter the
clear fuel was decanted into the fuel tank but leaving approx 2 - 4 litres in
the container that was then again allowed to settle. I only lost about 10
litres out of 225 litres. New in line filters were fitted as well in time the
engine fule filter. No problems after this seasons use. Beware claims for
fuel polishing as the problem will almost certainly be residual crud in the
bottom of the tank that no fuel polishing will ever cure.

\

David H

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Sent: Sunday, 23 November, 2008
2:14:03 PM
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Re: Diesel Engine

I have used a fuel “polishing” filter system
made by algae-x, it worked well once I was able to get to the lowest level of
the tank- that is where all the water and crud was.
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

From:
“lolaltd” <lolaltd@yahoo. com>
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:23:52
-0000
To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@
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Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re:
Diesel Engine

–Yes, and i was taught
how to bleed the engine…and that is when we
found the crud.

Wondering if others have had the flush out and cleaning of the fuel
with good results?

Lola F30 1987

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