Diesel question

Posted by ajlorman (ajlorman@…>)

My otherwise quite reliable Yanmar 2GM20F began to behave a bit oddly
on my recent cruise. Sometimes, not always, I would set the rpm for
2800 and after holding that for a while it would slow down to 2500.
Sometimes it would rev up again on its own; sometimes not. Once this
pattern started, it seemed to continue, though the periods of up and
down varied in lenght. The rpms during this behavior generally ranged
betweem 2500 and 3000. I assume, perhaps incorrectly, that if it were
a fuel problem, it would go down and stay down, or even die.

Any suggestions before I call in a pro?

Many thanks.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

Posted by Jerome Weinraub (zayde@…>)

All signs point to a clogged fuel filter. Typical behavior

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From: ajlorman
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 5:37 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Diesel question


My otherwise quite reliable Yanmar 2GM20F began to behave a bit oddlyon my recent cruise. Sometimes, not always, I would set the rpm for2800 and after holding that for a while it would slow down to 2500. Sometimes it would rev up again on its own; sometimes not. Once thispattern started, it seemed to continue, though the periods of up anddown varied in lenght. The rpms during this behavior generally rangedbetweem 2500 and 3000. I assume, perhaps incorrectly, that if it werea fuel problem, it would go down and stay down, or even die. Any suggestions before I call in a pro?Many thanks.Al LormanF30 Ab Initio

Posted by Larry Strouse (captainl@…>)

Check your fuel filter, both the inline yanmar and the Rayco if so fitted.

Capt. Larry E. Strouse72 Forest Green DriveMandeville, LA 70448985 674 1672 Home504 835 8505 Office504 382 6078 Cell

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ajlormanSent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 4:38 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Diesel question

My otherwise quite reliable Yanmar 2GM20F began to behave a bit oddlyon my recent cruise. Sometimes, not always, I would set the rpm for2800 and after holding that for a while it would slow down to 2500. Sometimes it would rev up again on its own; sometimes not. Once thispattern started, it seemed to continue, though the periods of up anddown varied in lenght. The rpms during this behavior generally rangedbetweem 2500 and 3000. I assume, perhaps incorrectly, that if it werea fuel problem, it would go down and stay down, or even die. Any suggestions before I call in a pro?Many thanks.Al LormanF30 Ab Initio

Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)

I have three fuel filters, the original Fram, with a 30 micron, a Racor with a 2 micron, and the Tanmar, also 2. I change them regularly but I’ll be darned if I can tell whether or not they’re actually clogged. They usually look pretty clean to me.

Just from curiosity, if a filter is clogged, why would it pass 3000 rpm worth of fuel at some times and less fuel at others?

Al

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry StrouseSent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 9:50 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Diesel question


Check your fuel filter, both the inline yanmar and the Rayco if so fitted.

Capt. Larry E. Strouse72 Forest Green DriveMandeville, LA 70448985 674 1672 Home504 835 8505 Office504 382 6078 Cell

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ajlormanSent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 4:38 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Diesel question

My otherwise quite reliable Yanmar 2GM20F began to behave a bit oddlyon my recent cruise. Sometimes, not always, I would set the rpm for2800 and after holding that for a while it would slow down to 2500. Sometimes it would rev up again on its own; sometimes not. Once thispattern started, it seemed to continue, though the periods of up anddown varied in lenght. The rpms during this behavior generally rangedbetweem 2500 and 3000. I assume, perhaps incorrectly, that if it werea fuel problem, it would go down and stay down, or even die. Any suggestions before I call in a pro?Many thanks.Al LormanF30 Ab Initio
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Posted by Jay Glen (svfantasy@…>)

Try bleeding the entire fuel system and make sure all air is removed. This is usually the cause. If this fails, the fuel injection pump would be where to look next.

----- Original Message -----
From: ajlorman
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 2:37 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Diesel question


My otherwise quite reliable Yanmar 2GM20F began to behave a bit oddlyon my recent cruise. Sometimes, not always, I would set the rpm for2800 and after holding that for a while it would slow down to 2500. Sometimes it would rev up again on its own; sometimes not. Once thispattern started, it seemed to continue, though the periods of up anddown varied in lenght. The rpms during this behavior generally rangedbetweem 2500 and 3000. I assume, perhaps incorrectly, that if it werea fuel problem, it would go down and stay down, or even die. Any suggestions before I call in a pro?Many thanks.Al LormanF30 Ab Initio

Posted by Mike Bergeron (mbergero@…>)

I had the same problem with mine a couple years ago. It turned out to be a loose tachometer wire on the engine. Do you actually hear the engine speed changing, or is it just on the tach?

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Lorman, Alvin J.
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 10:18 PM
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Diesel question



I have three fuel filters, the original Fram, with a 30 micron, a Racor with a 2 micron, and the Tanmar, also 2. I change them regularly but I’ll be darned if I can tell whether or not they’re actually clogged. They usually look pretty clean to me.

Just from curiosity, if a filter is clogged, why would it pass 3000 rpm worth of fuel at some times and less fuel at others?

Al

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry StrouseSent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 9:50 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Diesel question


Check your fuel filter, both the inline yanmar and the Rayco if so fitted.

Capt. Larry E. Strouse72 Forest Green DriveMandeville, LA 70448985 674 1672 Home504 835 8505 Office504 382 6078 Cell

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ajlormanSent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 4:38 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Diesel question

My otherwise quite reliable Yanmar 2GM20F began to behave a bit oddlyon my recent cruise. Sometimes, not always, I would set the rpm for2800 and after holding that for a while it would slow down to 2500. Sometimes it would rev up again on its own; sometimes not. Once thispattern started, it seemed to continue, though the periods of up anddown varied in lenght. The rpms during this behavior generally rangedbetweem 2500 and 3000. I assume, perhaps incorrectly, that if it werea fuel problem, it would go down and stay down, or even die. Any suggestions before I call in a pro?Many thanks.Al LormanF30 Ab Initio


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Posted by CaptGoodSail@… (CaptGoodSail@…)


fuel filters need replacement… like now!

Posted by CaptGoodSail@… (CaptGoodSail@…)



In a message dated 6/10/2006 10:28:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ajlorman@… writes:

Just from curiosity, if a filter is clogged, why would it pass 3000 rpm worth of fuel at some times and less fuel at others?

If your filter is not able to pass enough fuel to run at load @ 3000 RPM: Engine gets up to 3000, then a vacuum builds in the line that reduces the fuel flow-- then engine starves and RPM reduce to say 2400, fuel pump can pass enuogh fuel and vacuum subsides somewhat-- then engine runs RPMs back up to 3000, cycle repeats itself.

Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)

Mike:

I actually hear it, and then confirm the change on the tach. On my Freedom, I can’t see the darn tach unless I bend down to look at it. (Project number 394756, Series D, is to relocate the instrument panel so you can actually see it while at the helm.)

Al

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike BergeronSent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 7:57 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Diesel question


I had the same problem with mine a couple years ago. It turned out to be a loose tachometer wire on the engine. Do you actually hear the engine speed changing, or is it just on the tach?

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Lorman, Alvin J.
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 10:18 PM
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Diesel question



I have three fuel filters, the original Fram, with a 30 micron, a Racor with a 2 micron, and the Tanmar, also 2. I change them regularly but I’ll be darned if I can tell whether or not they’re actually clogged. They usually look pretty clean to me.

Just from curiosity, if a filter is clogged, why would it pass 3000 rpm worth of fuel at some times and less fuel at others?

Al

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry StrouseSent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 9:50 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Diesel question


Check your fuel filter, both the inline yanmar and the Rayco if so fitted.

Capt. Larry E. Strouse72 Forest Green DriveMandeville, LA 70448985 674 1672 Home504 835 8505 Office504 382 6078 Cell

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ajlormanSent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 4:38 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Diesel question

My otherwise quite reliable Yanmar 2GM20F began to behave a bit oddlyon my recent cruise. Sometimes, not always, I would set the rpm for2800 and after holding that for a while it would slow down to 2500. Sometimes it would rev up again on its own; sometimes not. Once thispattern started, it seemed to continue, though the periods of up anddown varied in lenght. The rpms during this behavior generally rangedbetweem 2500 and 3000. I assume, perhaps incorrectly, that if it werea fuel problem, it would go down and stay down, or even die. Any suggestions before I call in a pro?Many thanks.Al LormanF30 Ab Initio


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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)

Thanks, Jay.

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay GlenSent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 2:25 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Diesel question


Try bleeding the entire fuel system and make sure all air is removed. This is usually the cause. If this fails, the fuel injection pump would be where to look next.

----- Original Message -----
From: ajlorman
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 2:37 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Diesel question


My otherwise quite reliable Yanmar 2GM20F began to behave a bit oddlyon my recent cruise. Sometimes, not always, I would set the rpm for2800 and after holding that for a while it would slow down to 2500. Sometimes it would rev up again on its own; sometimes not. Once thispattern started, it seemed to continue, though the periods of up anddown varied in lenght. The rpms during this behavior generally rangedbetweem 2500 and 3000. I assume, perhaps incorrectly, that if it werea fuel problem, it would go down and stay down, or even die. Any suggestions before I call in a pro?Many thanks.Al LormanF30 Ab Initio
IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.

Posted by jgeorgas@…> (jgeorgas@…>)

From: “Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…>
Date: Sun Jun 11 13:03:24 CDT 2006
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Diesel question

I had the same problem last year until the engine finally stopped. Replacing the
fuel pump solved the problem.
Mike: I actually hear it, and then confirm the change on the tach. On my
Freedom, I can’t see the darn tach unless I bend down to look at it. (Project
number 394756, Series D, is to relocate the instrument panel so you can actually
see it while at the helm.) Al -----Original Message-----
From:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Bergeron
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 7:57 AM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Diesel question


I had the same problem with mine a couple years ago. It turned out to be a
loose tachometer wire on the engine. Do you actually hear the engine speed
changing, or is it just on the tach? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From:
Lorman, Alvin J. To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday,
June 10, 2006 10:18 PM Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Diesel question

I have three fuel filters, the original Fram, with a 30 micron, a Racor with
a 2 micron, and the Tanmar, also 2. I change them regularly but I’ll be
darned if I can tell whether or not they’re actually clogged. They usually
look pretty clean to me. Just from curiosity, if a filter is clogged,
why would it pass 3000 rpm worth of fuel at some times and less fuel at
others? Al -----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Strouse
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 9:50 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Diesel question


Check your fuel filter, both the inline yanmar and the Rayco if so fitted.

Capt. Larry E. Strouse
72 Forest Green Drive
Mandeville, LA 70448

985 674 1672 Home
504 835 8505 Office
504 382 6078 Cell -----Original Message-----
From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ajlorman
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 4:38 PM
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Diesel question


My otherwise quite reliable Yanmar 2GM20F began to behave a bit oddly
on my recent cruise. Sometimes, not always, I would set the rpm for
2800 and after holding that for a while it would slow down to 2500.
Sometimes it would rev up again on its own; sometimes not. Once this
pattern started, it seemed to continue, though the periods of up and
down varied in lenght. The rpms during this behavior generally ranged
betweem 2500 and 3000. I assume, perhaps incorrectly, that if it were
a fuel problem, it would go down and stay down, or even die.

Any suggestions before I call in a pro?

Many thanks.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio





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Posted by Jim Demerest (jdemer@…>)

Al,

Your fuel filter is clogged. The filter will temporaly clear itsself causing the rpm to fall then rise. Had that problem with my 3GM30.

Jim Demerest
Lady of Remes
F38

Posted by Jim Demerest (jdemer@…>)

I like the explanation the that vacuum changes when the rpm drops. I always thought that the filter cleared itself. This makes more sense. Result is the same. Anytime I have had an air leak the engine just stops until the system is bleed.

Jim Demerest
Lady of Remes
F38

Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)

I had a similar problem not with an air leak but with a plugged return
line. The engine would race, then die down, then race again… when
the return line got fully plugged, the engine acted the same as if it
were drawing air - it would die, you’d bleed it, then it would run
until it died again. I put an electric tire compressor on the return
line, waited for good bubbles in the tank, then reconnected everything
and it’s been fine ever since.

Lance

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Jim Demerest” <jdemer@…>
wrote:

I like the explanation the that vacuum changes when the rpm drops. I
always thought that the filter cleared itself. This makes more sense.
Result is the same. Anytime I have had an air leak the engine just
stops until the system is bleed.

Jim Demerest
Lady of Remes
F38

Posted by CaptGoodSail@… (CaptGoodSail@…)


that’s right… is much easier for the pump to pull air than fuel…

Posted by Paul McFadden (pwhitmac@…>)
If you’re pretty sure that your filters aren’t the problem, I’d check ALL the bleed fittings in your system. They have a nasty habit of vibrating loose at very inopportune times, or as happened to me, some idiot tightened one finger tight! If that doesn’t solve the problem, it could be contaminated (water) fuel. Name your poison…PWM"Lorman, Alvin J." <ajlorman@…> wrote: I have three fuel filters, the original Fram, with a 30 micron, a Racor with a 2 micron,
and the Tanmar, also 2. I change them regularly but I’ll be darned if I can tell whether or not they’re actually clogged. They usually look pretty clean to me. Just from curiosity, if a filter is clogged, why would it pass 3000 rpm worth of fuel at some times and less fuel at others? Al -----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry
StrouseSent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 9:50 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] Diesel question Check your fuel filter, both the inline yanmar and the Rayco if so fitted. Capt. Larry E. Strouse72 Forest Green DriveMandeville, LA 70448985 674 1672 Home504 835 8505 Office504 382 6078 Cell -----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ajlormanSent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 4:38 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Diesel
question My otherwise quite reliable Yanmar 2GM20F began to behave a bit oddlyon my recent cruise. Sometimes, not always, I would set the rpm for2800 and after holding that for a while it would slow down to 2500. Sometimes it would rev up again on its own; sometimes not. Once thispattern started, it seemed to continue, though the periods of up anddown varied in lenght. The rpms during this behavior generally rangedbetweem 2500 and 3000. I assume, perhaps incorrectly, that if it werea fuel problem, it would go down and stay down, or even die. Any suggestions before I call in a pro?Many thanks.Al LormanF30 Ab Initio IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw
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