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Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)


How
about a full report once you’ve used it for a while? I’ve been
tempted top buy one. too.



From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sward
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:03 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Electric Windlass

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Thanks Al,

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I ordered it today. It was less than $350.00-on
sale!! Really low shipping-couldn’t believe it.

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Sward

Al Lorman <ajl@…> wrote:






The right angle version is
0721-21 and has 1,081 inch pounds of torque. A Google search shops it is
available starting at about $350.




From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Payne, Doug
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:12 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Electric Windlass








I think the non
right angle V28 Milwaukee is 0724-24 and the price for the kit is $346 at www.toolup.com. 600 inch pounds of Torque



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From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of ron barr
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 11:12 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Electric Windlass







If memory
serves those are $400+ drills? Might it not be easier in the long run to go up
to a bigger self tailing winch?


Ron



Newport RI 02840





From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Payne, Doug
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:35 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Electric Windlass








I have been using
the non right angle Milwaukee V28 now for a number of months on my F 28. The
sail goes up at the speed of light. It has more than enough capacity and with
the two handles to grip, I don’t miss the right hand feature plus the
drill is smaller and easier to store. It comes with two batteries. I wore
out a lower priced/lower capacity drill in about a year, you need the power of
the V28. I am completely satisfied.



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Douglas M. Payne
Managing Partner - Dallas Ft. Worth
Tatum, LLC
5400 LBJ Freeway
Suite 800
Dallas, TX 75240


office ••• 972.200.1555
mobile ••• 972.953.8065
fax ••• 972.200.1349
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From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of George Huffman
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:03 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Electric Windlass






I know it’s been mentioned here before but I’ll bring it up
again.
Yesterday we finally got a very calm day so that I could raise our
Main Sail for the first time. The winch was so stiff from neglect
that I could not turn it by hand. You can imagine what condition the
track was in. Basically our boat had sat unused for years. I sprayed
the opening at the track above the cars and let the McLube run down
onto the slides and hooked our V28 Milwaukee right angle drill up the
winch and ran the sail right up to the top of the mast with zero
effort. I did stop twice to add some more spray to new cars coming up
but essentially the drill did all the work. I’ve been using that
drill to re-rig a 54 foot cutter one or two wires at a time and that
has saved enough effort, sending my almost 200 pounds 70 feet in the
air repeatedly, to make it worth the price of the drill. We were
lucky they had a rebate going on and we received a second battery by
mail after our purchase but the one battery would suffice for any
given day of sailing I can think of.

George

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com,
“Sward” <swardfullsail@…>
wrote:

Does anyone have an elecric windlass for the 32? I have a really hard
time getting the main up. I bought a new Harken track, but to the
surprise of myself and the sailmaker it doesn’t seem to help.

Thank you

























“Life is a Reach, then you
Jibe”

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SWARD





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Posted by Rees Midgley (rmidgley@…>)
Why has no one responded to my query re. use of a longer winch handle? Going from 10 to 12 inches should give 20% greater power, albeit with a 20% greater circumference to travel. Yet, this should be much cheaper than a new winch with different gears/drum size to give the greater power, or an electric winch, or the drill.FWIW, in 2004 I purchased a “Cinch Winch” at a boat show for far too much money (I think they are now out of business). It turned out to be an 18 volt Milwaukee right angle drill with the right bit to drive a winch. Apparently the battery was bad as soon after I bought the drill, it failed to raise my sail (55 ft. mast on an F36/38) and needed re-charging after each use. I wound up discarding the insides of the battery and soldering some heavy cables into the connectors in the battery. I then led the heavy wires to a 12 VDC to 18 VDC converter. This worked well a couple of times. But then the screw that holds the chuck on in reverse broke. I replaced and think all will be well again (the boat is in the BVI so sailing season for me will begin in Dec). The battery problem should be less for most as I believe that Milwaukee will guarantee the battery – something I could not do at the time in the BVI.The main remaining problems with my solution (suggested by someone earlier on this board) are the weight and bulk of the drill plus the wires running to a connector that I mounted near the winches. These are not serious problems, but they do complicate trying to feed large amounts of line in a confined area. Clearly, the best solution would be an electric winch, but it probably runs around $6000 to $7000. Ergo, why not the winch handle? Relatively cheap. Small. Simple. Fool-proof… If a 10 inch handle will work, albeit with some difficulty, the 12 inch should make the job significantly easier. I think I like the idea! - ReesOn Oct 19, 2007, at 4:04 PM, Al Lorman wrote:How about a full report once you’ve used it for a while? I’ve been tempted top buy one. too. From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SwardSent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:03 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Electric Windlass Thanks Al, I ordered it today. It was less than $350.00-on sale!! Really low shipping-couldn’t believe it. SwardAl Lorman <ajl@lormanlawdc.com> wrote:The right angle version is 0721-21 and has 1,081 inch pounds of torque. A Google search shops it is available starting at about $350.From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Payne, DougSent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:12 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Electric WindlassI think the non right angle V28 Milwaukee is 0724-24 and the price for the kit is $346 at www.toolup.com. 600 inch pounds of Torque•••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••Douglas M. Payne Managing Partner - Dallas Ft. WorthTatum, LLC 5400 LBJ Freeway Suite 800Dallas, TX 75240office ••• 972.200.1555mobile ••• 972.953.8065fax ••• 972.200.1349doug.payne@tatumllc.comwww.tatumllc.com From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ron barrSent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 11:12 AMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Electric WindlassIf memory serves those are $400+ drills? Might it not be easier in the long run to go up to a bigger self tailing winch?RonNewport RI 02840From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Payne, DougSent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:35 AMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Electric WindlassI have been using the non right angle Milwaukee V28 now for a number of months on my F 28. The sail goes up at the speed of light. It has more than enough capacity and with the two handles to grip, I don’t miss the right hand feature plus the drill is smaller and easier to store. It comes with two batteries. I wore out a lower priced/lower capacity drill in about a year, you need the power of the V28. I am completely satisfied.•••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••Douglas M. Payne Managing Partner - Dallas Ft. WorthTatum, LLC 5400 LBJ Freeway Suite 800Dallas, TX 75240office ••• 972.200.1555mobile ••• 972.953.8065fax ••• 972.200.1349doug.payne@tatumllc.comwww.tatumllc.com From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George HuffmanSent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:03 AMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Electric WindlassI know it’s been mentioned here before but I’ll bring it up again. Yesterday we finally got a very calm day so that I could raise ourMain Sail for the first time. The winch was so stiff from neglectthat I could not turn it by hand. You can imagine what condition thetrack was in. Basically our boat had sat unused for years. I sprayedthe opening at the track above the cars and let the McLube run downonto the slides and hooked our V28 Milwaukee right angle drill up thewinch and ran the sail right up to the top of the mast with zeroeffort. I did stop twice to add some more spray to new cars coming upbut essentially the drill did all the work. I’ve been using thatdrill to re-rig a 54 foot cutter one or two wires at a time and thathas saved enough effort, sending my almost 200 pounds 70 feet in theair repeatedly, to make it worth the price of the drill. We werelucky they had a rebate going on and we received a second battery bymail after our purchase but the one battery would suffice for anygiven day of sailing I can think of.George— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Sward” <swardfullsail@…>wrote:>> Does anyone have an elecric windlass for the 32? I have a really hard > time getting the main up. I bought a new Harken track, but to the > surprise of myself and the sailmaker it doesn’t seem to help.> > Thank you>“Life is a Reach, then you Jibe” SWARD
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Posted by rick_simonds (rick_simonds@…>)

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Rees Midgley
<rmidgley@…> wrote:

Has anyone used a longer (12 inch) winch handle? Taylor &
Snediker
(800-599-0800) sells one made of brass for $135.

- Rees



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we looked VERY HARD at a powered
winch (he had medical problems that would have allowed him to keep
sailing by himself just fine, except he just couldn’t raise the
main.
A powered winch would have been the answer.)


My actual answer is “no”, but I never let a little thing like “not
knowing what I’m talking about” stop me! :^)

With my dad we experimented with a very long mechanic’s breaker bar
as a winch handle. Going from a 10" to a 12" handle might not be a
big deal but the very long breaker bar experiment was an unqualified
bust. What we gained in leverage we lost in awkwardness. The long
handle starts running into stuff like hatches and travelers and, even
if it doesn’t, it’s awkward. It was too long a reach to grind in a
circular motion and my dad couldn’t do it.

Maybe adding 2" wouldn’t introduce this problem but it’s still a
longer reach. You may not like it.

Rick

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Posted by Merlin Clark (merlineoddive@…>)
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Posted by Sward (swardfullsail@…>)
If you are speaking to me, the answer is no. I don’t know when that will happen. I don’t have anyone to haul me up the mast right now.SwardMerlin Clark <merlineoddive@…> wrote: Have you had a chance to check the sheave? __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com “Life is a Reach, then you Jibe” SWARD

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Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)

On Bright Star, there were two winches on the cabin top, the primary
for halyards and one for the centerboard. someone used the 10" winch
handle on the centerboard winch, which was mounted slightly forward
compared to the primary, and gouged the dodger plastic. I put a note on
the winch that said “Short Handle Only.”

You’re probably right that a longer winch handle would help, as long as
(as was previously stated) you actually have the room to swing that
thing. Going from a 20" to a 24" diameter swing may make the cockpit a
tad more hazardous.

However, based on Sward’s past posts and the problems they’ve had, it
sounds to me like there is a severe point of resistance somewhere in
the system that even an electric winch will not solve. Our electric
winch is definitely powerful enough to haul the sail (or me) up the
mast, but when there is resistance on the system, the circuit breaker
breaks. I’d continue along the lines of, in no particular order,
masthead sheave, any turning blocks from the mast to the cockpit, sail
track and slides either dirty or mis-sized, winch gummed up with solid
grease (also a problem on Bright Star - took me about 2 hours to get
the winch base and parts degreased before reapplying a synthetic, and
wow what a difference that made).

Glory has a Strong track system, and while I understand that it’s a bit
pricey, that main goes up and down like a bullet.

Lance
“Glory”

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Rees Midgley <rmidgley@…>
wrote:

Why has no one responded to my query re. use of a longer winch
handle? Going from 10 to 12 inches should give 20% greater power,
albeit with a 20% greater circumference to travel. Yet, this

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Posted by marno_ss (marno@…>)

On my F39 Express, I have Harken Batcars and can pull the sails up to
within about a foot or so fo the top of the mast, without using the
manual winch. I don’t know what the system is worth, but it may well
be cheaper and simpler than an electric winch.
Marno
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@…> wrote:

On Bright Star, there were two winches on the cabin top, the
primary
for halyards and one for the centerboard. someone used the 10"
winch
handle on the centerboard winch, which was mounted slightly forward
compared to the primary, and gouged the dodger plastic. I put a
note on
the winch that said “Short Handle Only.”

You’re probably right that a longer winch handle would help, as
long as
(as was previously stated) you actually have the room to swing that
thing. Going from a 20" to a 24" diameter swing may make the
cockpit a
tad more hazardous.

However, based on Sward’s past posts and the problems they’ve had,
it
sounds to me like there is a severe point of resistance somewhere
in
the system that even an electric winch will not solve. Our electric
winch is definitely powerful enough to haul the sail (or me) up the
mast, but when there is resistance on the system, the circuit
breaker
breaks. I’d continue along the lines of, in no particular order,
masthead sheave, any turning blocks from the mast to the cockpit,
sail
track and slides either dirty or mis-sized, winch gummed up with
solid
grease (also a problem on Bright Star - took me about 2 hours to
get
the winch base and parts degreased before reapplying a synthetic,
and
wow what a difference that made).

Glory has a Strong track system, and while I understand that it’s a
bit
pricey, that main goes up and down like a bullet.

Lance
“Glory”

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Rees Midgley <rmidgley@>
wrote:

Why has no one responded to my query re. use of a longer winch
handle? Going from 10 to 12 inches should give 20% greater
power,
albeit with a 20% greater circumference to travel. Yet, this

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Posted by tom (ketch_22@…>)

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Rees Midgley <rmidgley@…>
wrote:

Why has no one responded to my query re. use of a longer winch
handle? Going from 10 to 12 inches should give 20% greater power,
albeit with a 20% greater circumference to travel. Yet, this should
be much cheaper than a new winch with different gears/drum size to
give the greater power, or an electric winch, or the drill.



On Ketch 22, the dodger windows and stainless structure would
interfere with the use of a longer winch handle.

I looked into Harken Bat Cars and decided it was an excellent
solution. Younger crew is a far more economical solution however. I
don’t remember the exact price for the Bat Cars, but I think roughly
$1500/mast.


Tom