Posted by Sward (swardfullsail@…>)
Does anyone have an elecric windlass for the 32? I have a really hard
time getting the main up. I bought a new Harken track, but to the
surprise of myself and the sailmaker it doesn’t seem to help.
Thank you
Posted by George Huffman (thatboatguy2@…>)
I know it’s been mentioned here before but I’ll bring it up again.
Yesterday we finally got a very calm day so that I could raise our
Main Sail for the first time. The winch was so stiff from neglect
that I could not turn it by hand. You can imagine what condition the
track was in. Basically our boat had sat unused for years. I sprayed
the opening at the track above the cars and let the McLube run down
onto the slides and hooked our V28 Milwaukee right angle drill up the
winch and ran the sail right up to the top of the mast with zero
effort. I did stop twice to add some more spray to new cars coming up
but essentially the drill did all the work. I’ve been using that
drill to re-rig a 54 foot cutter one or two wires at a time and that
has saved enough effort, sending my almost 200 pounds 70 feet in the
air repeatedly, to make it worth the price of the drill. We were
lucky they had a rebate going on and we received a second battery by
mail after our purchase but the one battery would suffice for any
given day of sailing I can think of.
George
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Sward” <swardfullsail@…>
wrote:
Does anyone have an elecric windlass for the 32? I have a really hard
time getting the main up. I bought a new Harken track, but to the
surprise of myself and the sailmaker it doesn’t seem to help.Thank you
Posted by Payne, Doug (doug.payne@…>)
I have been using the non right angle
Milwaukee V28 now for a number of months on my F 28. The sail goes up at the
speed of light. It has more than enough capacity and with the two handles to
grip, I don’t miss the right hand feature plus the drill is smaller and
easier to store. It comes with two batteries. I wore out a lower priced/lower
capacity drill in about a year, you need the power of the V28. I am completely
satisfied.
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Douglas M. Payne
Managing Partner - Dallas Ft. Worth
Tatum, LLC
5400 LBJ Freeway
Suite 800
Dallas, TX 75240
office ••• 972.200.1555
mobile ••• 972.953.8065
fax ••• 972.200.1349
doug.payne@…
www.tatumllc.com
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Huffman
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007
7:03 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re:
Electric Windlass
I know it’s been mentioned here before but I’ll bring
it up again.
Yesterday we finally got a very calm day so that I could raise our
Main Sail for the first time. The winch was so stiff from neglect
that I could not turn it by hand. You can imagine what condition the
track was in. Basically our boat had sat unused for years. I sprayed
the opening at the track above the cars and let the McLube run down
onto the slides and hooked our V28 Milwaukee right angle drill up the
winch and ran the sail right up to the top of the mast with zero
effort. I did stop twice to add some more spray to new cars coming up
but essentially the drill did all the work. I’ve been using that
drill to re-rig a 54 foot cutter one or two wires at a time and that
has saved enough effort, sending my almost 200 pounds 70 feet in the
air repeatedly, to make it worth the price of the drill. We were
lucky they had a rebate going on and we received a second battery by
mail after our purchase but the one battery would suffice for any
given day of sailing I can think of.
George
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com,
“Sward” <swardfullsail@…>
wrote:
Does anyone have an elecric windlass for the 32? I have a really hard
time getting the main up. I bought a new Harken track, but to the
surprise of myself and the sailmaker it doesn’t seem to help.Thank you
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Posted by katorpus (jrb@…>)
Have you serviced the sheave in the masthead turning block (for the
halyard) in recent memory?
Exposure to salt, sun, bird crap etc will eventually “freeze” the
sheave,and it’s really difficult to get the sail up or down without
the “rolling” going on…just a thought
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Sward” <swardfullsail@…>
wrote:
Does anyone have an elecric windlass for the 32? I have a really
hard
time getting the main up. I bought a new Harken track, but to the
surprise of myself and the sailmaker it doesn’t seem to help.Thank you
Posted by Sward (swardfullsail@…>)
Thanks George, I did look into that drill one time. It looks very heavy and awkward, is it? SwardGeorge Huffman <thatboatguy2@…> wrote: I know it’s been mentioned here before but I’ll bring it up again. Yesterday we finally got a very calm day so that I could raise ourMain Sail for the first time. The winch was so stiff from neglectthat I could not turn it by hand. You can imagine what condition thetrack was in. Basically our boat had sat unused for
years. I sprayedthe opening at the track above the cars and let the McLube run downonto the slides and hooked our V28 Milwaukee right angle drill up thewinch and ran the sail right up to the top of the mast with zeroeffort. I did stop twice to add some more spray to new cars coming upbut essentially the drill did all the work. I’ve been using thatdrill to re-rig a 54 foot cutter one or two wires at a time and thathas saved enough effort, sending my almost 200 pounds 70 feet in theair repeatedly, to make it worth the price of the drill. We werelucky they had a rebate going on and we received a second battery bymail after our purchase but the one battery would suffice for anygiven day of sailing I can think of.George— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Sward” <swardfullsail@…>wrote:>> Does anyone have an elecric
windlass for the 32? I have a really hard > time getting the main up. I bought a new Harken track, but to the > surprise of myself and the sailmaker it doesn’t seem to help.> > Thank you>“Life is a Reach, then you Jibe” SWARD
Posted by George Huffman (thatboatguy2@…>)
Heavy? Well that’s relative. It’s heavier than a winch handle but
awkward? Absolutely not. Watch someone use one to raise a sail vs a
winch handle. Perhaps the straight drill would be a good choice for
you based on what’s been reported in this thread?
John,
I’ll absolutely have to service all four winches. I’m taking great
joy in bringing systems back to life on this boat. Most survived the
long sleep very well. I’m lucky to be in the business and set up a
wholesale account at Tides Marine for purchasing the parts I’ll need.
One thing I haven’t dealt with before is the full battens. They are
round and one of them is broken about two feet from the mast. Anyone
know if I can repair with fiberglass? The manufacture has gone from
plastic slides to metal. Either “naval brass” or stainless steel.
Haven’t asked yet exactly what is meant by “naval brass”. heh heh
George
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Sward <swardfullsail@…>
wrote:
Thanks George,
I did look into that drill one time. It looks very heavy and
awkward, is it?Sward
George Huffman <thatboatguy2@…> wrote:
I know it’s been mentioned here before but I’ll bring it
up again.
Yesterday we finally got a very calm day so that I could raise our
Main Sail for the first time. The winch was so stiff from neglect
that I could not turn it by hand. You can imagine what condition the
track was in. Basically our boat had sat unused for years. I sprayed
the opening at the track above the cars and let the McLube run down
onto the slides and hooked our V28 Milwaukee right angle drill up the
winch and ran the sail right up to the top of the mast with zero
effort. I did stop twice to add some more spray to new cars coming up
but essentially the drill did all the work. I’ve been using that
drill to re-rig a 54 foot cutter one or two wires at a time and that
has saved enough effort, sending my almost 200 pounds 70 feet in the
air repeatedly, to make it worth the price of the drill. We were
lucky they had a rebate going on and we received a second battery by
mail after our purchase but the one battery would suffice for any
given day of sailing I can think of.George
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Sward” <swardfullsail@>
wrote:Does anyone have an elecric windlass for the 32? I have a really hard
time getting the main up. I bought a new Harken track, but to the
surprise of myself and the sailmaker it doesn’t seem to help.Thank you
“Life is a Reach, then you Jibe”
SWARD
Posted by George Huffman (thatboatguy2@…>)
Incidentally, one thing we haven’t touched on; the halyards themselves
are causing a tremendous amount of resistance at the winch due to
being exposed to the elements for all those years. I’m going to try
and bring them back to usefulness by running them through the wash
with some fabric softener but failing that they will have to be replaced.
George
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Sward <swardfullsail@…>
wrote:
Thanks George,
I did look into that drill one time. It looks very heavy and
awkward, is it?Sward
George Huffman <thatboatguy2@…> wrote:
I know it’s been mentioned here before but I’ll bring it
up again.
Yesterday we finally got a very calm day so that I could raise our
Main Sail for the first time. The winch was so stiff from neglect
that I could not turn it by hand. You can imagine what condition the
track was in. Basically our boat had sat unused for years. I sprayed
the opening at the track above the cars and let the McLube run down
onto the slides and hooked our V28 Milwaukee right angle drill up the
winch and ran the sail right up to the top of the mast with zero
effort. I did stop twice to add some more spray to new cars coming up
but essentially the drill did all the work. I’ve been using that
drill to re-rig a 54 foot cutter one or two wires at a time and that
has saved enough effort, sending my almost 200 pounds 70 feet in the
air repeatedly, to make it worth the price of the drill. We were
lucky they had a rebate going on and we received a second battery by
mail after our purchase but the one battery would suffice for any
given day of sailing I can think of.George
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Sward” <swardfullsail@>
wrote:Does anyone have an elecric windlass for the 32? I have a really hard
time getting the main up. I bought a new Harken track, but to the
surprise of myself and the sailmaker it doesn’t seem to help.Thank you
“Life is a Reach, then you Jibe”
SWARD
Posted by T (fairways31@…>)
cheaper to replace em than to have one break when u need itGeorge Huffman <thatboatguy2@…> wrote: Incidentally, one thing we haven’t touched on; the halyards themselvesare causing a tremendous amount of resistance at the winch due tobeing exposed to the elements for all those years. I’m going to tryand bring them back to usefulness by running them through the washwith some fabric softener but failing that they will have to be replaced.George— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Sward <swardfullsail@…>wrote:>> Thanks George,> > I did look into that drill one time. It looks very heavy andawkward, is it?> > Sward> > George Huffman <thatboatguy2@…> wrote:> I know it’s been mentioned here before but I’ll bring itup again. > Yesterday we finally got a very calm day so that I could raise our> Main Sail for the first time. The winch was so stiff from neglect> that I could not turn it by hand. You can imagine what condition the> track was in. Basically our boat had sat unused for years. I sprayed> the opening at the track above the cars and let the McLube run down> onto the slides and hooked our V28 Milwaukee right angle drill up the> winch and ran the sail right up to the top of the mast with zero>
effort. I did stop twice to add some more spray to new cars coming up> but essentially the drill did all the work. I’ve been using that> drill to re-rig a 54 foot cutter one or two wires at a time and that> has saved enough effort, sending my almost 200 pounds 70 feet in the> air repeatedly, to make it worth the price of the drill. We were> lucky they had a rebate going on and we received a second battery by> mail after our purchase but the one battery would suffice for any> given day of sailing I can think of.> > George> > — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Sward” <swardfullsail@>> wrote:> >> > Does anyone have an elecric windlass for the 32? I have a really hard > > time getting the main up. I bought a new Harken track, but to the > > surprise of myself and the
sailmaker it doesn’t seem to help.> > > > Thank you> >> > > > > > > “Life is a Reach, then you Jibe”> > SWARD> __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Posted by Sward (swardfullsail@…>)
Thank you for that suggestion. I did go up the mast a few years ago, when this subject came up since I was having trouble at that time too. It was very hard to see, but I tried taking pictures, and spraying it with lubricant then-it didn’t help, but it’s worth checking again The mast head light needs replacing so I can make it a two for one trip deal!! Swardkatorpus <jrb@…> wrote: Have you serviced the sheave in the masthead turning block (for the halyard)
in recent memory?Exposure to salt, sun, bird crap etc will eventually “freeze” the sheave,and it’s really difficult to get the sail up or down without the “rolling” going on…just a thought— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Sward” <swardfullsail@…> wrote:>> Does anyone have an elecric windlass for the 32? I have a really hard > time getting the main up. I bought a new Harken track, but to the > surprise of myself and the sailmaker it doesn’t seem to help.> > Thank you>“Life is a Reach, then you Jibe” SWARD
Posted by ron barr (rwhb@…>)
If memory serves those are $400+ drills? Might it not be easier
in the long run to go up to a bigger self tailing winch?
Ron
Newport RI 02840
From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Payne, Doug
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:35 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Electric Windlass
\
I have
been using the non right angle Milwaukee V28 now for a number of months on my F
28. The sail goes up at the speed of light. It has more than enough capacity
and with the two handles to grip, I don’t miss the right hand feature plus the
drill is smaller and easier to store. It comes with two batteries. I wore
out a lower priced/lower capacity drill in about a year, you need the power of
the V28. I am completely satisfied.
•••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••
Douglas M. Payne
Managing Partner - Dallas Ft. Worth
Tatum, LLC
5400 LBJ Freeway
Suite 800
Dallas, TX 75240
office ••• 972.200.1555
mobile ••• 972.953.8065
fax ••• 972.200.1349
doug.payne@…
www.tatumllc.com
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Huffman
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:03 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Electric Windlass
I know it’s been mentioned here before but I’ll bring it up again.
Yesterday we finally got a very calm day so that I could raise our
Main Sail for the first time. The winch was so stiff from neglect
that I could not turn it by hand. You can imagine what condition the
track was in. Basically our boat had sat unused for years. I sprayed
the opening at the track above the cars and let the McLube run down
onto the slides and hooked our V28 Milwaukee right angle drill up the
winch and ran the sail right up to the top of the mast with zero
effort. I did stop twice to add some more spray to new cars coming up
but essentially the drill did all the work. I’ve been using that
drill to re-rig a 54 foot cutter one or two wires at a time and that
has saved enough effort, sending my almost 200 pounds 70 feet in the
air repeatedly, to make it worth the price of the drill. We were
lucky they had a rebate going on and we received a second battery by
mail after our purchase but the one battery would suffice for any
given day of sailing I can think of.
George
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com,
“Sward” <swardfullsail@…>
wrote:
Does anyone have an elecric windlass for the 32? I have a really hard
time getting the main up. I bought a new Harken track, but to the
surprise of myself and the sailmaker it doesn’t seem to help.Thank you
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Posted by Payne, Doug (doug.payne@…>)
I think the non right angle V28 Milwaukee
is 0724-24 and the price for the kit is $346 at www.toolup.com.
600 inch pounds of Torque
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Douglas M. Payne
Managing Partner - Dallas Ft. Worth
Tatum, LLC
5400 LBJ Freeway
Suite 800
Dallas, TX 75240
office ••• 972.200.1555
mobile ••• 972.953.8065
fax ••• 972.200.1349
doug.payne@…
www.tatumllc.com
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ron barr
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007
11:12 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Re: Electric Windlass
If memory serves those are $400+ drills? Might it not be easier
in the long run to go up to a bigger self tailing winch?
Ron
Newport RI 02840
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Payne, Doug
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007
8:35 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Re: Electric Windlass
\
I have been using the non right angle Milwaukee V28 now for a
number of months on my F 28. The sail goes up at the speed of light. It has
more than enough capacity and with the two handles to grip, I don’t miss
the right hand feature plus the drill is smaller and easier to store. It
comes with two batteries. I wore out a lower priced/lower capacity drill in
about a year, you need the power of the V28. I am completely satisfied.
•••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••
Douglas M. Payne
Managing Partner - Dallas Ft. Worth
Tatum, LLC
5400 LBJ Freeway
Suite 800
Dallas, TX
75240
office ••• 972.200.1555
mobile ••• 972.953.8065
fax ••• 972.200.1349
doug.payne@tatumllc.com
www.tatumllc.com
\
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of George Huffman
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007
7:03 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Re: Electric Windlass
I know
it’s been mentioned here before but I’ll bring it up again.
Yesterday we finally got a very calm day so that I could raise our
Main Sail for the first time. The winch was so stiff from neglect
that I could not turn it by hand. You can imagine what condition the
track was in. Basically our boat had sat unused for years. I sprayed
the opening at the track above the cars and let the McLube run down
onto the slides and hooked our V28 Milwaukee right angle drill up the
winch and ran the sail right up to the top of the mast with zero
effort. I did stop twice to add some more spray to new cars coming up
but essentially the drill did all the work. I’ve been using that
drill to re-rig a 54 foot cutter one or two wires at a time and that
has saved enough effort, sending my almost 200 pounds 70 feet in the
air repeatedly, to make it worth the price of the drill. We were
lucky they had a rebate going on and we received a second battery by
mail after our purchase but the one battery would suffice for any
given day of sailing I can think of.
George
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com,
“Sward” <swardfullsail@…>
wrote:
Does anyone have an elecric windlass for the 32? I have a really hard
time getting the main up. I bought a new Harken track, but to the
surprise of myself and the sailmaker it doesn’t seem to help.Thank you
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Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)
The
right angle version is 0721-21 and has 1,081 inch pounds of torque. A
Google search shops it is available starting at about $350.
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Payne, Doug
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:12 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Electric Windlass
\
I think
the non right angle V28 Milwaukee is 0724-24 and the price for the kit is $346
at www.toolup.com. 600 inch pounds of
Torque
•••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••
Douglas M. Payne
Managing Partner - Dallas Ft. Worth
Tatum, LLC
5400 LBJ Freeway
Suite 800
Dallas, TX 75240
office ••• 972.200.1555
mobile ••• 972.953.8065
fax ••• 972.200.1349
doug.payne@…
www.tatumllc.com
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ron barr
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 11:12 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Electric Windlass
If memory serves those are $400+ drills?
Might it not be easier in the long run to go up to a bigger self tailing winch?
Ron
Newport RI 02840
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Payne, Doug
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:35 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Electric Windlass
\
I have been using the non right angle
Milwaukee V28 now for a number of months on my F 28. The sail goes up at the
speed of light. It has more than enough capacity and with the two handles to
grip, I don’t miss the right hand feature plus the drill is smaller and
easier to store. It comes with two batteries. I wore out a lower
priced/lower capacity drill in about a year, you need the power of the V28. I
am completely satisfied.
•••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••
Douglas M. Payne
Managing Partner - Dallas Ft. Worth
Tatum, LLC
5400 LBJ Freeway
Suite 800
Dallas, TX 75240
office ••• 972.200.1555
mobile ••• 972.953.8065
fax ••• 972.200.1349
doug.payne@…
www.tatumllc.com
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Huffman
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:03 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Electric Windlass
I know it’s been mentioned here before but I’ll bring it up again.
Yesterday we finally got a very calm day so that I could raise our
Main Sail for the first time. The winch was so stiff from neglect
that I could not turn it by hand. You can imagine what condition the
track was in. Basically our boat had sat unused for years. I sprayed
the opening at the track above the cars and let the McLube run down
onto the slides and hooked our V28 Milwaukee right angle drill up the
winch and ran the sail right up to the top of the mast with zero
effort. I did stop twice to add some more spray to new cars coming up
but essentially the drill did all the work. I’ve been using that
drill to re-rig a 54 foot cutter one or two wires at a time and that
has saved enough effort, sending my almost 200 pounds 70 feet in the
air repeatedly, to make it worth the price of the drill. We were
lucky they had a rebate going on and we received a second battery by
mail after our purchase but the one battery would suffice for any
given day of sailing I can think of.
George
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com,
“Sward” <swardfullsail@…>
wrote:
Does anyone have an elecric windlass for the 32? I have a really hard
time getting the main up. I bought a new Harken track, but to the
surprise of myself and the sailmaker it doesn’t seem to help.Thank you
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Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
Think about replacing the masthead bulb with the LED version; i
believe you can get them through Defender. With alittle luck you’ll
never replace it again, and it draws a lot less current. Herm
At 10:14 AM 10/18/2007, you wrote:
Thank you for that suggestion. I did go up the mast a few years
ago, when this subject came up since I was having trouble at that
time too. It was very hard to see, but I tried taking pictures, and
spraying it with lubricant then-it didn’t help, but it’s worth
checking again The mast head light needs replacing so I can make it
a two for one trip deal!!Sward
katorpus <jrb@…> wrote:
Have you serviced the sheave in the masthead turning block (for the
halyard) in recent memory?Exposure to salt, sun, bird crap etc will eventually “freeze” the
sheave,and it’s really difficult to get the sail up or down without
the “rolling” going on…just a thought— In
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.comFreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
,
“Sward” <swardfullsail@…>
wrote:Does anyone have an elecric windlass for the 32? I have a really
hard
time getting the main up. I bought a new Harken track, but to the
surprise of myself and the sailmaker it doesn’t seem to help.Thank you
“Life is a Reach, then you Jibe”
SWARD
Posted by rick_simonds (rick_simonds@…>)
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Sward”
<swardfullsail@…> wrote:
Does anyone have an elecric windlass for the 32?
Sward, my father and I owned our F32 since it was new. He passed away
a few years ago but before he did we looked VERY HARD at a powered
winch (he had medical problems that would have allowed him to keep
sailing by himself just fine, except he just couldn’t raise the main.
A powered winch would have been the answer.) We never did install one
but, for what it’s worth, here’s what I remember about going through
it.
-
Price: ouch. There’s a pretty hefty installation involved, too.
-
The underside location of either winch is pretty un-handy for the
drive mechanism. To port it would be on the way toward the rear bunk,
to starboard it would be right above the head. Either one would be a
really great head banger location. I’d look at making some sort of
pad to cover the motor, just to save your skull.
Other than just sucking it up there’s no good solution to #1, but for
#2 I have since seen one (Harken? I don’t remember) that has the
drive motor outside the boat, under the winch itself. To me, that
looks like perhaps a bit better solution on a 32.
I also have about 8 months with the Milwaukee 28V right angle drill
now. I’m glad I got it. It works.
2 additional data points on that:
-
The chuck of the drill is screwed on to the drill motor and then a
left hand allen bolt is screwed inside the center of the chuck to
keep the chuck from un-screwing. I broke that left hand bolt when
using the drill in reverse under very high torque conditions. A new
bolt is only a dollar or so but it took quite a long time to find it.
I carry a few spares now. -
On a whim while buying a spare battery, I bought the flashlight
that uses the 28 volt batteries, hoping it would be a good quality
searchlight for navigating the channel at night. It was $40 dollars
or so. It has been a mixed success. It’s not as bright as I thought a
28 volt light would be and it is more of a floodlight, not a focused
searchlight beam. It’s only so-so as a searchlight, good only in very
close quarters. It is a handy light for working on stuff like the
engine, though. Yes or no, would I buy it again? No, probably not.
Rick
Tallahassee
Posted by Bob Weeks (rweeks6508@…>)
Have you got the spec for the bulb?
My lights are dead also so before I go up I would like to be prepared. Is
the bulb dual contacts or single? Are the side tips even or one high and
one low (not sure of the terminology)? And now the famous question what
LED bulb is the replacement?
Bob
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Herman and Gail Schiller
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007
5:09 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Re: Electric Windlass
Think about replacing the masthead bulb with the LED
version; i
believe you can get them through Defender. With alittle luck you’ll
never replace it again, and it draws a lot less current. Herm
At 10:14 AM 10/18/2007, you wrote:
Thank you for that suggestion. I did go up the mast a few years
ago, when this subject came up since I was having trouble at that
time too. It was very hard to see, but I tried taking pictures, and
spraying it with lubricant then-it didn’t help, but it’s worth
checking again The mast head light needs replacing so I can make it
a two for one trip deal!!Sward
katorpus <jrb@…>
wrote:
Have you serviced the sheave in the masthead turning block (for the
halyard) in recent memory?Exposure to salt, sun, bird crap etc will eventually “freeze” the
sheave,and it’s really difficult to get the sail up or down without
the “rolling” going on…just a thought— In
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.comFreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com,
“Sward” <swardfullsail@…>
wrote:Does anyone have an elecric windlass for the 32? I have a really
hard
time getting the main up. I bought a new Harken track, but to the
surprise of myself and the sailmaker it doesn’t seem to help.Thank you
“Life is a Reach, then you Jibe”
SWARD
\
Posted by Sward (swardfullsail@…>)
Rick, Thank you so much for that detailed information. I did look into the Milwaukee drill online. The best price is about $350.00 for the kit. That sure beats a couple of thousand for the electric windlass. I bought the drill bit a couple of years ago and it didn’t work with my drill-12 volt. Not enough power and not right angled. I may go that route. Otherwise I wish there was a winch on the mast like traditional boats have.’ Thanks again, Swardrick_simonds <rick_simonds@…> wrote: — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Sward” <swardfullsail@…> wrote:>> Does anyone have an elecric windlass for the 32? Sward, my father and I owned our F32 since it was new. He passed away a few years ago but before he did we looked VERY HARD at a powered winch (he had medical problems that would have allowed him to keep sailing by himself just fine, except he just couldn’t raise the main. A powered winch would have been the answer.) We never did install one but, for what it’s worth, here’s what I remember about going through it.1) Price: ouch. There’s a pretty hefty installation involved, too.2) The underside location of either winch is pretty un-handy for the drive mechanism. To port it would be on the way toward the rear bunk,
to starboard it would be right above the head. Either one would be a really great head banger location. I’d look at making some sort of pad to cover the motor, just to save your skull.Other than just sucking it up there’s no good solution to #1, but for #2 I have since seen one (Harken? I don’t remember) that has the drive motor outside the boat, under the winch itself. To me, that looks like perhaps a bit better solution on a 32.I also have about 8 months with the Milwaukee 28V right angle drill now. I’m glad I got it. It works.2 additional data points on that:1) The chuck of the drill is screwed on to the drill motor and then a left hand allen bolt is screwed inside the center of the chuck to keep the chuck from un-screwing. I broke that left hand bolt when using the drill in reverse under very high torque conditions. A new bolt is only a dollar or so but it took quite a long time to find it.
I carry a few spares now.2) On a whim while buying a spare battery, I bought the flashlight that uses the 28 volt batteries, hoping it would be a good quality searchlight for navigating the channel at night. It was $40 dollars or so. It has been a mixed success. It’s not as bright as I thought a 28 volt light would be and it is more of a floodlight, not a focused searchlight beam. It’s only so-so as a searchlight, good only in very close quarters. It is a handy light for working on stuff like the engine, though. Yes or no, would I buy it again? No, probably not.RickTallahassee"Life is a Reach, then you Jibe" SWARD
Posted by Rees Midgley (rmidgley@…>)
Has anyone used a longer (12 inch) winch handle? Taylor & Snediker (800-599-0800) sells one made of brass for $135. - ReesOn Oct 18, 2007, at 9:01 PM, Sward wrote:Rick, Thank you so much for that detailed information. I did look into the Milwaukee drill online. The best price is about $350.00 for the kit. That sure beats a couple of thousand for the electric windlass. I bought the drill bit a couple of years ago and it didn’t work with my drill-12 volt. Not enough power and not right angled. I may go that route. Otherwise I wish there was a winch on the mast like traditional boats have.’ Thanks again, Swardrick_simonds <rick_simonds@yahoo.com> wrote:— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Sward” <swardfullsail@…> wrote:>> Does anyone have an elecric windlass for the 32? Sward, my father and I owned our F32 since it was new. He passed away a few years ago but before he did we looked VERY HARD at a powered winch (he had medical problems that would have allowed him to keep sailing by himself just fine, except he just couldn’t raise the main. A powered winch would have been the answer.) We never did install one but, for what it’s worth, here’s what I remember about going through it.1) Price: ouch. There’s a pretty hefty installation involved, too.2) The underside location of either winch is pretty un-handy for the drive mechanism. To port it would be on the way toward the rear bunk, to starboard it would be right above the head. Either one would be a really great head banger location. I’d look at making some sort of pad to cover the motor, just to save your skull.Other than just sucking it up there’s no good solution to #1, but for #2 I have since seen one (Harken? I don’t remember) that has the drive motor outside the boat, under the winch itself. To me, that looks like perhaps a bit better solution on a 32.I also have about 8 months with the Milwaukee 28V right angle drill now. I’m glad I got it. It works.2 additional data points on that:1) The chuck of the drill is screwed on to the drill motor and then a left hand allen bolt is screwed inside the center of the chuck to keep the chuck from un-screwing. I broke that left hand bolt when using the drill in reverse under very high torque conditions. A new bolt is only a dollar or so but it took quite a long time to find it. I carry a few spares now.2) On a whim while buying a spare battery, I bought the flashlight that uses the 28 volt batteries, hoping it would be a good quality searchlight for navigating the channel at night. It was $40 dollars or so. It has been a mixed success. It’s not as bright as I thought a 28 volt light would be and it is more of a floodlight, not a focused searchlight beam. It’s only so-so as a searchlight, good only in very close quarters. It is a handy light for working on stuff like the engine, though. Yes or no, would I buy it again? No, probably not.RickTallahassee"Life is a Reach, then you Jibe" SWARD
Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
Typically, masthead lights use so-called “Festoon” bulbs which look a
little like glass fuses on steroids, in that there’s a glass envelope
between two metal end-contacts. It depends on what kind of masthead
lighting fixture you have up there. My ‘87 Mull 28’ had a Perko,
which uses festoon bulbs. Take a look at page 319 of the current
Defender catalog, or go on line to Defender.com. Herm
At 07:07 PM 10/18/2007, you wrote:
Have you got the spec for the bulb? My lights are dead also so
before I go up I would like to be prepared. Is the bulb dual
contacts or single? Are the side tips even or one high and one low
(not sure of the terminology)? And now the famous question what LED
bulb is the replacement?Bob
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Herman and
Gail Schiller
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:09 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Electric WindlassThink about replacing the masthead bulb with the LED version; i
believe you can get them through Defender. With alittle luck you’ll
never replace it again, and it draws a lot less current. HermAt 10:14 AM 10/18/2007, you wrote:
Thank you for that suggestion. I did go up the mast a few years
ago, when this subject came up since I was having trouble at that
time too. It was very hard to see, but I tried taking pictures, and
spraying it with lubricant then-it didn’t help, but it’s worth
checking again The mast head light needs replacing so I can make it
a two for one trip deal!!Sward
katorpus <mailto:jrb%40jrbtax.comjrb@…> wrote:
Have you serviced the sheave in the masthead turning block (for the
halyard) in recent memory?Exposure to salt, sun, bird crap etc will eventually “freeze” the
sheave,and it’s really difficult to get the sail up or down without
the “rolling” going on…just a thought— In
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com<mailto:FreedomOwnersG
roup%40yahoogroups.com>FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com,
“Sward” <swardfullsail@…>
wrote:Does anyone have an elecric windlass for the 32? I have a really
hard
time getting the main up. I bought a new Harken track, but to the
surprise of myself and the sailmaker it doesn’t seem to help.Thank you
“Life is a Reach, then you Jibe”
SWARD
Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
Typically, masthead lights use so-called “Festoon” bulbs which look a
little like glass fuses on steroids, in that there’s a glass envelope
between two metal end-contacts. It depends on what kind of masthead
lighting fixture you have up there. My ‘87 Mull 28’ had a Perko,
which uses festoon bulbs. Take a look at page 319 of the current
Defender catalog, or go on line to Defender.com. I now have a Hella
dual masthead light, which uses two 10W - 12Volt festoon bulbs. Herm
At 07:07 PM 10/18/2007, you wrote:
Have you got the spec for the bulb? My lights are dead also so
before I go up I would like to be prepared. Is the bulb dual
contacts or single? Are the side tips even or one high and one low
(not sure of the terminology)? And now the famous question what LED
bulb is the replacement?Bob
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Herman and
Gail Schiller
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:09 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Electric WindlassThink about replacing the masthead bulb with the LED version; i
believe you can get them through Defender. With alittle luck you’ll
never replace it again, and it draws a lot less current. HermAt 10:14 AM 10/18/2007, you wrote:
Thank you for that suggestion. I did go up the mast a few years
ago, when this subject came up since I was having trouble at that
time too. It was very hard to see, but I tried taking pictures, and
spraying it with lubricant then-it didn’t help, but it’s worth
checking again The mast head light needs replacing so I can make it
a two for one trip deal!!Sward
katorpus <mailto:jrb%40jrbtax.comjrb@…> wrote:
Have you serviced the sheave in the masthead turning block (for the
halyard) in recent memory?Exposure to salt, sun, bird crap etc will eventually “freeze” the
sheave,and it’s really difficult to get the sail up or down without
the “rolling” going on…just a thought— In
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.comFreedomOwnersGroup@yah
oogroups.com,
“Sward” <swardfullsail@…>
wrote:Does anyone have an elecric windlass for the 32? I have a really
hard
time getting the main up. I bought a new Harken track, but to the
surprise of myself and the sailmaker it doesn’t seem to help.Thank you
“Life is a Reach, then you Jibe”
SWARD
Posted by Sward (swardfullsail@…>)
Thanks Al, I ordered it today. It was less than $350.00-on sale!! Really low shipping-couldn’t believe it. SwardAl Lorman <ajl@…> wrote: The right angle version is 0721-21 and has 1,081 inch pounds of torque. A Google search shops it is available starting at about $350. From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Payne, DougSent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:12 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Electric Windlass I think the non right angle V28 Milwaukee is 0724-24 and the price for the kit is $346 at www.toolup.com. 600 inch pounds of Torque •••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••Douglas M. Payne Managing Partner - Dallas Ft. WorthTatum, LLC 5400 LBJ Freeway Suite 800Dallas, TX 75240 office ••• 972.200.1555mobile ••• 972.953.8065fax ••• 972.200.1349doug.payne@tatumllc.comwww.tatumllc.com From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ron barrSent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 11:12 AMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Electric Windlass If memory serves those are $400+ drills? Might it not be easier in the long run to go up to a bigger self tailing winch? Ron Newport RI 02840 From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Payne, DougSent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:35 AMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Electric Windlass I have been using the non right angle Milwaukee V28 now for a number of months on my F 28. The sail goes up at the speed of light. It has more than enough capacity and with the two handles to grip, I don’t miss the right hand feature plus the drill is smaller and easier to store. It comes with two batteries. I wore out a lower priced/lower capacity drill in about a year, you need the power of the V28. I am completely satisfied. •••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••Douglas M. Payne Managing Partner - Dallas Ft. WorthTatum, LLC 5400 LBJ Freeway Suite 800Dallas, TX 75240 office ••• 972.200.1555mobile ••• 972.953.8065fax ••• 972.200.1349doug.payne@tatumllc.comwww.tatumllc.com From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George HuffmanSent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:03 AMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Electric Windlass I know it’s been mentioned here before but I’ll bring it up again. Yesterday we finally got a very calm day so that I could raise
ourMain Sail for the first time. The winch was so stiff from neglectthat I could not turn it by hand. You can imagine what condition thetrack was in. Basically our boat had sat unused for years. I sprayedthe opening at the track above the cars and let the McLube run downonto the slides and hooked our V28 Milwaukee right angle drill up thewinch and ran the sail right up to the top of the mast with zeroeffort. I did stop twice to add some more spray to new cars coming upbut essentially the drill did all the work. I’ve been using thatdrill to re-rig a 54 foot cutter one or two wires at a time and thathas saved enough effort, sending my almost 200 pounds 70 feet in theair repeatedly, to make it worth the price of the drill. We werelucky they had a rebate going on and we received a second battery bymail after our purchase but the one battery would suffice for anygiven day of sailing I can think of.George—
In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Sward” <swardfullsail@…>wrote:>> Does anyone have an elecric windlass for the 32? I have a really hard > time getting the main up. I bought a new Harken track, but to the > surprise of myself and the sailmaker it doesn’t seem to help.> > Thank you> “Life is a Reach, then you Jibe” SWARD
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