Posted by James Driebeek (jim3bk@…>)
Currently there is a listing for an F-21 on Ebay. It has a buy it now
price of $2499. This is not my boat. I am just sharing this info in
case anybody is interested. The boat is located in Fayetteville, New York.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1983-Freedom-21-Sailboat-w-Main-Sail-Jib-Spinnake\
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The auction ends May-06-07 14:00:13 PDT
Jim Driebeek
Posted by George McKay & Gwen DeBaere (mmadonna@…>)
What is strange about this boat is that someone removed the bulkhead. Although it make it roomy looking down below, I would be concerned about oil canning and deck flex. Also, the mast puts some strain on the deck amplifying the forces of flexion. Anybody with experience as to how much support the bulkhead provides? GeorgeOn May 2, 2007, at 4:01 PM, James Driebeek wrote:Currently there is a listing for an F-21 on Ebay. It has a buy it nowprice of $2499. This is not my boat. I am just sharing this info incase anybody is interested. The boat is located in Fayetteville, New York.http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1983-Freedom-21-Sailboat-w-Main-Sail-Jib-Spinnaker_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ63730QQihZ016QQitemZ260113869131QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVWThe auction ends May-06-07 14:00:13 PDTJim Driebeek
Posted by wilfred2736 (wilf.bishop@…>)
A number of UK-built F21’s were made without any bulkhead but with
two simple vertical posts linking the deck moulding to the inner
moulding. These posts were situated on each side of the entrance to
the forward compartment and were simple spindle turned wooden posts.
I have recently removed the half-inch ply bulkheads on my F21 for re-
veneering and making up some wooden mouldings for the edge of the
doorway into the forward compartment since UK bouts were made with
bare ply edges in this reagion which looks shoddy to my eyes and I
fould that the GRP “tabs” linking the upper edge of the bulkhead ot
the deck moulding were really minimal and I wonder what structural
effect the bulkhead really has?
As an ex-aerospace stress engineer I feel that the balsa core
sandwich deck would be very unlikely to buckle & distort if the
bulkhead were removed but to be sure I would probably link the deck
to the inner moulding with some form of posts. If anyone wants a
photo of this “bulkheadless” UK F21 layout I’m sure I have one
somewhere that I could post on our site?
Wilf Bishop
F21 DAYDREAM
— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, George McKay & Gwen DeBaere
<mmadonna@…> wrote:
What is strange about this boat is that someone removed the
bulkhead. Although it make it roomy looking down below, I would
be
concerned about oil canning and deck flex. Also, the mast puts
some
strain on the deck amplifying the forces of flexion. Anybody
with
experience as to how much support the bulkhead provides? GeorgeOn May 2, 2007, at 4:01 PM, James Driebeek wrote:
Currently there is a listing for an F-21 on Ebay. It has a buy
it now
price of $2499. This is not my boat. I am just sharing this info
in
case anybody is interested. The boat is located in
Fayetteville,
New York.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1983-Freedom-21-Sailboat-w-Main-
Sail-
Jib-
Spinnaker_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ63730QQihZ016QQitemZ260113869131
Q
QrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
The auction ends May-06-07 14:00:13 PDT
Jim Driebeek
Posted by George McKay & Gwen DeBaere (mmadonna@…>)
I would love to see a picture as that layout would appeal to me and I am making significant modifications to my boat anyway. Thank you and i really appreciate all your contributions. GeorgeOn May 3, 2007, at 2:23 AM, wilfred2736 wrote:A number of UK-built F21’s were made without any bulkhead but with two simple vertical posts linking the deck moulding to the inner moulding. These posts were situated on each side of the entrance to the forward compartment and were simple spindle turned wooden posts.I have recently removed the half-inch ply bulkheads on my F21 for re-veneering and making up some wooden mouldings for the edge of the doorway into the forward compartment since UK bouts were made with bare ply edges in this reagion which looks shoddy to my eyes and I fould that the GRP “tabs” linking the upper edge of the bulkhead ot the deck moulding were really minimal and I wonder what structural effect the bulkhead really has?As an ex-aerospace stress engineer I feel that the balsa core sandwich deck would be very unlikely to buckle & distort if the bulkhead were removed but to be sure I would probably link the deck to the inner moulding with some form of posts. If anyone wants a photo of this “bulkheadless” UK F21 layout I’m sure I have one somewhere that I could post on our site?Wilf BishopF21 DAYDREAM— In freedom21@yahoogroups.com, George McKay & Gwen DeBaere <mmadonna@…> wrote:>> What is strange about this boat is that someone removed the > bulkhead. Although it make it roomy looking down below, I would be > concerned about oil canning and deck flex. Also, the mast puts some > strain on the deck amplifying the forces of flexion. Anybody with > experience as to how much support the bulkhead provides? George> > On May 2, 2007, at 4:01 PM, James Driebeek wrote:> > > Currently there is a listing for an F-21 on Ebay. It has a buy it now> > price of $2499. This is not my boat. I am just sharing this info in> > case anybody is interested. The boat is located in Fayetteville, > > New York.> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1983-Freedom-21-Sailboat-w-Main-Sail- > > Jib- > > Spinnaker_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ63730QQihZ016QQitemZ260113869131Q > > QrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW> > The auction ends May-06-07 14:00:13 PDT> > Jim Driebeek> >> >> >>
Posted by Medium Al (hjulbyhavn@…>)
I wouldn’t remove it entirely but a “mushroom” cut-out as in the F32
would be almost as strong - certainly as strong if it was double in
thickness.