F 30 fixed ports (and maye F36 too)

Posted by seychellois_lib (seychellois_lib@…>)

When I bought my F30 back in 99 I was unhappy with the look of the
ports, specifically the raggedy waterproofing grout that was squeezing
out from between the port frame and the glass on the exterior side.

I don’t know the technical term for this grout but I’m pretty sure it
was OEM (at least it was for my hull #3). You run across it
ocassionally in hardware stores. It comes in a roll that looks like a
thick roll of tape. The stuff is about 1/2 inch wide and perhaps a
1/16 th thick. Freedom used a black color. It is not cured, it
maintains a kind of very thick, greasy consitency througout its life.
This apparently accounts for fact that it squeezes out over time and
begins to take on that rageddy look I mentioned. I believe they use
the same stuff in cars for waterprofing/soundproofing/vibration
control. It seems to be a damn fine waterproofing material though.

Now, having said all of the above, I made the mistake of deciding to
“fix” the raggedy look by removing a lens and re-doing it with
different materials so it would look cleaner. You’ll note the singular
“a lens”

This is how I discovered the deep, dark secrets of Freedom 30 hull #
3’s fixed port installation. I assume Freedom did ports the same way
for hull #'s beyond mine so the following information may be useful to
some of you and is also a cautionary tale.

The construction is as follows (forgive minor digressions):

Deck mold is cut to make hole for fixed port installation. I do not
know if Freedom sealed the balsa core against water intrusion around
the periphery of this cut, I’ve heard conflicting reports. Since I
never removed the frame I don’t know for sure. Fixing wet rotting
festering balsa core is another story (yep, I’ve got one).

The port frame was installed into the cut hole and sealed with (I
assume) 3M 5200. This is the only area I have actually had a leak
since I’ve owned the boat. A gap formed between the hull and the frame

  • not the lens and the frame. This is potentially a nasty leak
    especially if the aforementioned balsa core is not sealed. Who knows?
    This leak also resulted in discoloration of interior teak and a little
    teak plywood rotting (never actually got any dripping into the boat,
    all water was sucked up by interior woodwork). I had to fix the rot
    but that’s another long story. This leak, by the way, was fixed by
    cleaning out a very narrow gap between frame and hull on exterior side
    and filling with marine silicone.

OK, so we have an open frame bedded into the hull. Now the interesting
part. The interior of the frame against which the lens is mounted is
simply a slightly curved bed. There are no screw holes or anything
else on this surface (its about an inch wide). The lens is directly
sealed to this bed with TWO components. The exterior component -
exposed to the elements - and the real waterproof seal - is the greasy
gasket material I mentioned earlier. This stuff is laid right round
the outside exterior lip of the lens and seals to the outside lib of
the bed. You actually need this to “stick” the lense to the frame
while you apply the second component which is copious amounts of black
marine silicone. The silcioone fills the INTERIOR lens to frame gap
created by the gasket material. The lens is still not supported by
anything except the sticktion of the greasy gasket material and the
uncured silicone. You DO NOT want this crap to fall back into your
boat so you put some duck tape up just in case. I found the greasy
gasket is pretty sticky so I had no problem.

After the silicone cures you have (hopefully) a sealed fixed port
lens. Next step is to get the interior frame installed. I mentioned
the the lens is stuck directly to the rounded bed, no screw holes. The
screw holes for the interior frame are located on a flange that
extends out from the lense bed and is recessed 1/2 inch so that the
interior fame covers all the ugly silicone and only exposes about 1/4
inch of lens.

The frame installation is fairly straightforward, you just screw in
the 20 or so SS machine screws and you finsihed.

So what’s the big deal? A couple of items:

The machine screws holding the interior frames in are often corroded
and very very difficult to remove. You can imagine, SS screws in
aluminum frame for 15 years exposed to moisture and whatnot. Just
getting the interior frames off can be a project. Once you get into it
you know you won’t be able to stop so prepare you Wife (or hubby) for
a month of abstenence.

Getting the old greasy gasget goop off the lens is an icky mess. If
your buying new lenses no big deal, you can take the old ones and make
fun of them before you SHITCAN them ha ha ha so “there take that damn
old scrached lenses”.

Putting the new greasy gasket goop on the new lenses is an icky mess.

Installing half a construction tube of black silicone above your head
is an icky mess.

And finally, leak checking though easy, could reveal a leak that will
break your heart. Believe me, I’ve been there. Talk about post
traumatic stress syndrome. Just pretend you didn’t see it and go home.

Be happy to try to answer any questions, some of you undoubtedly have
a better way…I hope so.

Mike
Jacqueline
F30 #3

Posted by Michel Capel (mike_c_f35ck@…>)

Mike,

although I realize that you must have been in agony for weeks - I
couldn’t help first smiling and then laughing when I read your
report. You certainly have a talent to describe a ‘successful’ do-it-
yourself job…

Good luck with the other port… ;^P

mike

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “seychellois_lib”
<seychellois_lib@y…> wrote:

When I bought my F30 back in 99 I was unhappy with the look of the
ports, specifically the raggedy waterproofing grout that was
squeezing
out from between the port frame and the glass on the exterior side.

I don’t know the technical term for this grout but I’m pretty sure
it
was OEM (at least it was for my hull #3). You run across it
ocassionally in hardware stores. It comes in a roll that looks like
a
thick roll of tape. The stuff is about 1/2 inch wide and perhaps a
1/16 th thick. Freedom used a black color. It is not cured, it
maintains a kind of very thick, greasy consitency througout its
life.
This apparently accounts for fact that it squeezes out over time and
begins to take on that rageddy look I mentioned. I believe they use
the same stuff in cars for waterprofing/soundproofing/vibration
control. It seems to be a damn fine waterproofing material though.

Now, having said all of the above, I made the mistake of deciding to
“fix” the raggedy look by removing a lens and re-doing it with
different materials so it would look cleaner. You’ll note the
singular
“a lens”

This is how I discovered the deep, dark secrets of Freedom 30 hull #
3’s fixed port installation. I assume Freedom did ports the same way
for hull #'s beyond mine so the following information may be useful
to
some of you and is also a cautionary tale.

The construction is as follows (forgive minor digressions):

Deck mold is cut to make hole for fixed port installation. I do not
know if Freedom sealed the balsa core against water intrusion around
the periphery of this cut, I’ve heard conflicting reports. Since I
never removed the frame I don’t know for sure. Fixing wet rotting
festering balsa core is another story (yep, I’ve got one).

The port frame was installed into the cut hole and sealed with (I
assume) 3M 5200. This is the only area I have actually had a leak
since I’ve owned the boat. A gap formed between the hull and the
frame

  • not the lens and the frame. This is potentially a nasty leak
    especially if the aforementioned balsa core is not sealed. Who
    knows?
    This leak also resulted in discoloration of interior teak and a
    little
    teak plywood rotting (never actually got any dripping into the boat,
    all water was sucked up by interior woodwork). I had to fix the rot
    but that’s another long story. This leak, by the way, was fixed by
    cleaning out a very narrow gap between frame and hull on exterior
    side
    and filling with marine silicone.

OK, so we have an open frame bedded into the hull. Now the
interesting
part. The interior of the frame against which the lens is mounted is
simply a slightly curved bed. There are no screw holes or anything
else on this surface (its about an inch wide). The lens is directly
sealed to this bed with TWO components. The exterior component -
exposed to the elements - and the real waterproof seal - is the
greasy
gasket material I mentioned earlier. This stuff is laid right round
the outside exterior lip of the lens and seals to the outside lib of
the bed. You actually need this to “stick” the lense to the frame
while you apply the second component which is copious amounts of
black
marine silicone. The silcioone fills the INTERIOR lens to frame gap
created by the gasket material. The lens is still not supported by
anything except the sticktion of the greasy gasket material and the
uncured silicone. You DO NOT want this crap to fall back into your
boat so you put some duck tape up just in case. I found the greasy
gasket is pretty sticky so I had no problem.

After the silicone cures you have (hopefully) a sealed fixed port
lens. Next step is to get the interior frame installed. I mentioned
the the lens is stuck directly to the rounded bed, no screw holes.
The
screw holes for the interior frame are located on a flange that
extends out from the lense bed and is recessed 1/2 inch so that the
interior fame covers all the ugly silicone and only exposes about
1/4
inch of lens.

The frame installation is fairly straightforward, you just screw in
the 20 or so SS machine screws and you finsihed.

So what’s the big deal? A couple of items:

The machine screws holding the interior frames in are often corroded
and very very difficult to remove. You can imagine, SS screws in
aluminum frame for 15 years exposed to moisture and whatnot. Just
getting the interior frames off can be a project. Once you get into
it
you know you won’t be able to stop so prepare you Wife (or hubby)
for
a month of abstenence.

Getting the old greasy gasget goop off the lens is an icky mess. If
your buying new lenses no big deal, you can take the old ones and
make
fun of them before you SHITCAN them ha ha ha so “there take that
damn
old scrached lenses”.

Putting the new greasy gasket goop on the new lenses is an icky
mess.

Installing half a construction tube of black silicone above your
head
is an icky mess.

And finally, leak checking though easy, could reveal a leak that
will
break your heart. Believe me, I’ve been there. Talk about post
traumatic stress syndrome. Just pretend you didn’t see it and go
home.

Be happy to try to answer any questions, some of you undoubtedly
have
a better way…I hope so.

Mike
Jacqueline
F30 #3