Posted by Doug Payne (doug.payne@…>)
Having heard quite a few discussions on
the topic of rudder bearing problems, could you post the factory blue prints
etc. on our site. That would be very helpful to all. Thanks in advance
Douglas M. Payne
Managing Partner Arizona Colorado
Tatum Partners
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-----Original Message-----
From: macks011 [mailto:macks04@…]
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005
10:10 PM
To:
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re:
F-30 steering
I have, as part of my boat documents, complete
factory blue prints
of the rudder tube, upper and lower rudder
bearings (new style),
upper and lower bearings (old style) and a
document
titled “Retrofitting Rudder Bearing Parts
Kit, Freedom 30/ Freedom
36” As far as I can tell, The retro fit was
never performed on my
boat. Three things, however: The original factory
drawings of the
rudder tube and bearings do not show any zerk
fittings. The parts
list for the Retrofit Kit calls out 4 Grease
Fittings and the
instructions say to lubricate monthly. The
original Factory Manual
makes no mention of a lubrication requirement that
I can find.
I think that some PO’s had rudder problems and
went with a modified
fix and only installed the grease fittings rather
than the whole
retrofit.
My F36 is hull # 29 and it has the grease
fittings.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Paul
McFadden
<pwhitmac@y…> wrote:
This is kinda interesting. It would appear
that the same grease
fitting (zerk) situation occurs in Hoyt 32s also.
A friend of mine
swears that there is no zerk fittings on the
rudder bearing housing
of their 32, where mine has four. One on each side
both top and
bottom. For the life of me I can’t understand why
TPI discontinued
these fittings, which is all I can assume, as the
other boat is a
later model than mine. Believe me, these grease
fittings are
benefical, they keep my helm feather light, with
no leaks.
Has anyone else run into this situation?
PWM
JoelR <ohso2001@y…> wrote:
My F-30 is hull number 76. In the past I have
discussed via email the rudder lubrication
situation
with other F-30 owners, and one owner told me
his boat
had lubrication nipples on the
rudder shaft for a
grease gun. His hull was earlier than mine.
I have checked numerous times for lubrication
nipples
on the rudder shaft my Freedom and have found
none. I
have crawled around in the lazarette and
looked
everywhere in the location of the rudder
shaft – with
my glasses on.
Figuring that I was an idiot, after the
lubrication
issue came up on an old Freedom list, I was
determined
to do this maintenance. Then next time I was
having
the bottom done I paid a yard
“technician” to go in
there to lubricate the rudder.
He did’t find anything to lubricate either.
But he did
charge me $80 to dive into the lazarette for
about 10
minutes.
The rudder continues to work fine. No
problem.
The last time I had the boat out of the
water, I had a
rigger at a different yard go in and take a
look. He
said there was nothing to lubricate because
the parts
were nylon and didn’t require lubrication.
There is nothing in my Freedom manual about
lubricating the rudder.
Although what the last rigger said doesn’t
sound right
to me. I’ve had the boat seven years and have
never
been able to lubricate the rudder shaft. I
haven’t
dribbled mineral oil down the emergency
rudder shaft
or anything else. It still works fine.
I still feel like it needs to be lubricated.
That the story of F-30 (76).
Lee
— macks011 <macks04@o…> wrote:
According to Paul Dennis (who worked
with Mark
Edwards building
these boats), the grease fittings are
less a
function of a need for
lubrication then as a means of
introducing a thick
grease as a
shimming agent. Delrin and the other
plastics used
are self
lubricating materials.
The key is rudder play. 1" to
1-1/2" sideways
movement at the bottom
of the rudder is OK. More than that and
the lower
bearing is shot.
Less and its too tight due to swelling.
As an historical note, in 1988 Freedom
offered an
upgrade to the
rudder bearings. They were made of
Delrin and larger
and thicker
than the bearings pre hull number 105 on
the F30 and
pre hull number
100 on the F36. The new bearings were
standard on
the later models.
. — In
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “David
G. Evans”
<dgevans@e…> wrote:
There’s a long history of dealing
with this
problem and almost as
many
answers as answerers. Our 28 had
been adjusted by
the factory to
ease the
bushing, but once in a while it
would get stiff as
you describe.
If the
grease fitting still works, you can
try to
lubricate the shaft
that way.
Ours has always been frozen, so I
squirt mineral
oil around the
rudder tube.
(Some people have wondered about
using lubricants
that might harm
the
plastic; this has always seemed
safe.)
dge
----- Original Message -----
From: “jon_jlh”
<jon_jlh@y…>
To:
<freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 8:45
AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] F-30
steering
Hi,
I have a 1897 F-30 with Edison
Pedistal
steering. The steering
is
very stiff. I have
closely examined the
steering cables from the
pedistal back through the
rudder post and don’t
seem to see any
obvious problems.
The cables do not seem to be
overy-tight as
there is play in the
cables.
The boat was on blocks for
about a year before I
bought it. I
had
the boat launched for a sea
trial and did not
notice any
problems,
but within a day of launching,
the steering
became progressively
stiff.
Does anyone have any
experience with the
appropriate tension of
the
cables or other problems with
the rudder shaft
gland/stuffing
box.
Thanks
Jon
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