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Posted by jon_jlh (jon_jlh@…>)

Hi,

I have a 1897 F-30 with Edison Pedistal steering. The steering is
very stiff. I have closely examined the steering cables from the
pedistal back through the rudder post and don’t seem to see any
obvious problems.

The cables do not seem to be overy-tight as there is play in the
cables.

The boat was on blocks for about a year before I bought it. I had
the boat launched for a sea trial and did not notice any problems,
but within a day of launching, the steering became progressively
stiff.

Does anyone have any experience with the appropriate tension of the
cables or other problems with the rudder shaft gland/stuffing box.

Thanks
Jon

2

Posted by macks011 (macks04@…>)

The rudder tube construction on the Mull F30 is the same as the F36.
the material of the rudder bearings ,used at that time, is slightly
hydroscopic and swells up; thereby reducing the tolerences and
causing the rudder post to bind.

The problem is mainly in the lower bearing. Baring a structural
failure of the bearing, the solution is as follows:

Drop the rudder, use a 3" dia drum sander with 80, 150, and 220 grit
paper. Carefully and lightly, make 1 0r 2 passes around the inside
circumference of the bearing with the 80 grit. Re install the rudder
and test the fit. If good, drop the rudder and polish the bearing
with one or two passses of the finer grit paper. Do not be aggresive
or impatient.

I did this fix last season and the improvement was dramatic. This
fix was given to me by Paul Dennis at the Warren River Boat Works
401 245 6949





— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “jon_jlh” <jon_jlh@y…>
wrote:

Hi,

I have a 1897 F-30 with Edison Pedistal steering. The steering is
very stiff. I have closely examined the steering cables from the
pedistal back through the rudder post and don’t seem to see any
obvious problems.

The cables do not seem to be overy-tight as there is play in the
cables.

The boat was on blocks for about a year before I bought it. I had
the boat launched for a sea trial and did not notice any problems,
but within a day of launching, the steering became progressively
stiff.

Does anyone have any experience with the appropriate tension of
the
cables or other problems with the rudder shaft gland/stuffing box.

Thanks
Jon

3

Posted by seychellois_lib (seychellois_lib@…>)

Two possibilities immediately come to mind:

  1. Have you lubed the rudder bearings? If not, the introduction to
    water may be doing something up in the rudder stock (old lube setting
    up like concrete for example). Try a lube job.

  2. The wheel brake is on - I know, really a duh issue but you never
    know. The other possibility is that the brake isn’t releasing properly

  • or stopped releasing properly after launch.

Ok, three possibilities:

  1. You’ve got something wedged in the rudder somehow. I sail on the
    California Delta and I’ve had thule stalks wrapped around the rudder
    that caused some tightness till I got down there and pulled em out.

If the wires and cables are binding you should see it. You did remove
the headliner box in the aft cabin to check things out from that
vantage point, right?

Mike
Jacqueline
F30#3



— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “jon_jlh” <jon_jlh@y…> wrote:

Hi,

I have a 1897 F-30 with Edison Pedistal steering. The steering is
very stiff. I have closely examined the steering cables from the
pedistal back through the rudder post and don’t seem to see any
obvious problems.

The cables do not seem to be overy-tight as there is play in the
cables.

The boat was on blocks for about a year before I bought it. I had
the boat launched for a sea trial and did not notice any problems,
but within a day of launching, the steering became progressively
stiff.

Does anyone have any experience with the appropriate tension of the
cables or other problems with the rudder shaft gland/stuffing box.

Thanks
Jon

4

Posted by David G. Evans (dgevans@…>)

There’s a long history of dealing with this problem and almost as many
answers as answerers. Our 28 had been adjusted by the factory to ease the
bushing, but once in a while it would get stiff as you describe. If the
grease fitting still works, you can try to lubricate the shaft that way.
Ours has always been frozen, so I squirt mineral oil around the rudder tube.
(Some people have wondered about using lubricants that might harm the
plastic; this has always seemed safe.)
dge
----- Original Message -----
From: “jon_jlh” <jon_jlh@…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 8:45 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] F-30 steering

\

Hi,

I have a 1897 F-30 with Edison Pedistal steering. The steering is
very stiff. I have closely examined the steering cables from the
pedistal back through the rudder post and don’t seem to see any
obvious problems.

The cables do not seem to be overy-tight as there is play in the
cables.

The boat was on blocks for about a year before I bought it. I had
the boat launched for a sea trial and did not notice any problems,
but within a day of launching, the steering became progressively
stiff.

Does anyone have any experience with the appropriate tension of the
cables or other problems with the rudder shaft gland/stuffing box.

Thanks
Jon

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Posted by macks011 (macks04@…>)

According to Paul Dennis (who worked with Mark Edwards building
these boats), the grease fittings are less a function of a need for
lubrication then as a means of introducing a thick grease as a
shimming agent. Delrin and the other plastics used are self
lubricating materials.

The key is rudder play. 1" to 1-1/2" sideways movement at the bottom
of the rudder is OK. More than that and the lower bearing is shot.
Less and its too tight due to swelling.

As an historical note, in 1988 Freedom offered an upgrade to the
rudder bearings. They were made of Delrin and larger and thicker
than the bearings pre hull number 105 on the F30 and pre hull number
100 on the F36. The new bearings were standard on the later models.

. — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “David G. Evans”
<dgevans@e…> wrote:

There’s a long history of dealing with this problem and almost as
many
answers as answerers. Our 28 had been adjusted by the factory to
ease the
bushing, but once in a while it would get stiff as you describe.
If the
grease fitting still works, you can try to lubricate the shaft
that way.
Ours has always been frozen, so I squirt mineral oil around the
rudder tube.
(Some people have wondered about using lubricants that might harm
the
plastic; this has always seemed safe.)
dge
----- Original Message -----
From: “jon_jlh” <jon_jlh@y…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 8:45 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] F-30 steering

Hi,

I have a 1897 F-30 with Edison Pedistal steering. The steering
is
very stiff. I have closely examined the steering cables from the
pedistal back through the rudder post and don’t seem to see any
obvious problems.

The cables do not seem to be overy-tight as there is play in the
cables.

The boat was on blocks for about a year before I bought it. I
had
the boat launched for a sea trial and did not notice any
problems,
but within a day of launching, the steering became progressively
stiff.

Does anyone have any experience with the appropriate tension of
the
cables or other problems with the rudder shaft gland/stuffing
box.

Thanks
Jon

Yahoo! Groups Links

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Posted by JoelR (ohso2001@…>)

My F-30 is hull number 76. In the past I have
discussed via email the rudder lubrication situation
with other F-30 owners, and one owner told me his boat
had lubrication nipples on the rudder shaft for a
grease gun. His hull was earlier than mine.

I have checked numerous times for lubrication nipples
on the rudder shaft my Freedom and have found none. I
have crawled around in the lazarette and looked
everywhere in the location of the rudder shaft – with
my glasses on.

Figuring that I was an idiot, after the lubrication
issue came up on an old Freedom list, I was determined
to do this maintenance. Then next time I was having
the bottom done I paid a yard “technician” to go in
there to lubricate the rudder.

He did’t find anything to lubricate either. But he did
charge me $80 to dive into the lazarette for about 10
minutes.

The rudder continues to work fine. No problem.

The last time I had the boat out of the water, I had a
rigger at a different yard go in and take a look. He
said there was nothing to lubricate because the parts
were nylon and didn’t require lubrication.

There is nothing in my Freedom manual about
lubricating the rudder.

Although what the last rigger said doesn’t sound right
to me. I’ve had the boat seven years and have never
been able to lubricate the rudder shaft. I haven’t
dribbled mineral oil down the emergency rudder shaft
or anything else. It still works fine.

I still feel like it needs to be lubricated.

That the story of F-30 (76).

Lee


— macks011 <macks04@…> wrote:

According to Paul Dennis (who worked with Mark
Edwards building
these boats), the grease fittings are less a
function of a need for
lubrication then as a means of introducing a thick
grease as a
shimming agent. Delrin and the other plastics used
are self
lubricating materials.

The key is rudder play. 1" to 1-1/2" sideways
movement at the bottom
of the rudder is OK. More than that and the lower
bearing is shot.
Less and its too tight due to swelling.

As an historical note, in 1988 Freedom offered an
upgrade to the
rudder bearings. They were made of Delrin and larger
and thicker
than the bearings pre hull number 105 on the F30 and
pre hull number
100 on the F36. The new bearings were standard on
the later models.

. — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “David
G. Evans”
<dgevans@e…> wrote:

There’s a long history of dealing with this
problem and almost as
many
answers as answerers. Our 28 had been adjusted by
the factory to
ease the
bushing, but once in a while it would get stiff as
you describe.
If the
grease fitting still works, you can try to
lubricate the shaft
that way.
Ours has always been frozen, so I squirt mineral
oil around the
rudder tube.
(Some people have wondered about using lubricants
that might harm
the
plastic; this has always seemed safe.)
dge
----- Original Message -----
From: “jon_jlh” <jon_jlh@y…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 8:45 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] F-30 steering

Hi,

I have a 1897 F-30 with Edison Pedistal
steering. The steering
is
very stiff. I have closely examined the
steering cables from the
pedistal back through the rudder post and don’t
seem to see any
obvious problems.

The cables do not seem to be overy-tight as
there is play in the
cables.

The boat was on blocks for about a year before I
bought it. I
had
the boat launched for a sea trial and did not
notice any
problems,
but within a day of launching, the steering
became progressively
stiff.

Does anyone have any experience with the
appropriate tension of
the
cables or other problems with the rudder shaft
gland/stuffing
box.

Thanks
Jon

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Posted by Paul McFadden (pwhitmac@…>)

This is kinda interesting. It would appear that the same grease fitting (zerk) situation occurs in Hoyt 32s also. A friend of mine swears that there is no zerk fittings on the rudder bearing housing of their 32, where mine has four. One on each side both top and bottom. For the life of me I can’t understand why TPI discontinued these fittings, which is all I can assume, as the other boat is a later model than mine. Believe me, these grease fittings are benefical, they keep my helm feather light, with no leaks.

Has anyone else run into this situation?
PWMJoelR <ohso2001@…> wrote:
My F-30 is hull number 76. In the past I havediscussed via email the rudder lubrication situationwith other F-30 owners, and one owner told me his boathad lubrication nipples on the rudder shaft for agrease gun. His hull was earlier than mine. I have checked numerous times for lubrication nippleson the rudder shaft my Freedom and have found none. Ihave crawled around in the lazarette and lookedeverywhere in the location of the rudder shaft – withmy glasses on. Figuring that I was an idiot, after the lubricationissue came up on an old Freedom list, I was determinedto do this maintenance. Then next time I was havingthe bottom done I paid a yard “technician” to go inthere to lubricate the rudder.He did’t find anything to lubricate either. But he didcharge me $80 to dive into the lazarette for
about 10minutes. The rudder continues to work fine. No problem.The last time I had the boat out of the water, I had arigger at a different yard go in and take a look. Hesaid there was nothing to lubricate because the parts were nylon and didn’t require lubrication.There is nothing in my Freedom manual aboutlubricating the rudder. Although what the last rigger said doesn’t sound rightto me. I’ve had the boat seven years and have neverbeen able to lubricate the rudder shaft. I haven’tdribbled mineral oil down the emergency rudder shaftor anything else. It still works fine.I still feel like it needs to be lubricated. That the story of F-30 (76).Lee— macks011 <macks04@…> wrote:> > According to Paul Dennis (who worked with Mark> Edwards building > these boats), the grease fittings are less a> function of a need for >
lubrication then as a means of introducing a thick> grease as a > shimming agent. Delrin and the other plastics used> are self > lubricating materials.> > The key is rudder play. 1" to 1-1/2" sideways> movement at the bottom > of the rudder is OK. More than that and the lower> bearing is shot. > Less and its too tight due to swelling.> > As an historical note, in 1988 Freedom offered an> upgrade to the > rudder bearings. They were made of Delrin and larger> and thicker > than the bearings pre hull number 105 on the F30 and> pre hull number > 100 on the F36. The new bearings were standard on> the later models. > > . — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “David> G. Evans” > <dgevans@e…> wrote:> > There’s a long history of dealing with this> problem and almost as > many> > answers
as answerers. Our 28 had been adjusted by> the factory to > ease the> > bushing, but once in a while it would get stiff as> you describe. > If the> > grease fitting still works, you can try to> lubricate the shaft > that way.> > Ours has always been frozen, so I squirt mineral> oil around the > rudder tube.> > (Some people have wondered about using lubricants> that might harm > the> > plastic; this has always seemed safe.)> > dge> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: “jon_jlh” <jon_jlh@y…>> > To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 8:45 AM> > Subject: [freedomyachts2003] F-30 steering> > > > > > >> > >> > > Hi,> > >> > > I have a 1897 F-30 with Edison Pedistal>
steering. The steering > is> > > very stiff. I have closely examined the> steering cables from the> > > pedistal back through the rudder post and don’t> seem to see any> > > obvious problems.> > >> > > The cables do not seem to be overy-tight as> there is play in the> > > cables.> > >> > > The boat was on blocks for about a year before I> bought it. I > had> > > the boat launched for a sea trial and did not> notice any > problems,> > > but within a day of launching, the steering> became progressively> > > stiff.> > >> > > Does anyone have any experience with the> appropriate tension of > the> > > cables or other problems with the rudder shaft> gland/stuffing > box.> > >> >

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Posted by macks011 (macks04@…>)

I have, as part of my boat documents, complete factory blue prints
of the rudder tube, upper and lower rudder bearings (new style),
upper and lower bearings (old style) and a document
titled “Retrofitting Rudder Bearing Parts Kit, Freedom 30/ Freedom
36” As far as I can tell, The retro fit was never performed on my
boat. Three things, however: The original factory drawings of the
rudder tube and bearings do not show any zerk fittings. The parts
list for the Retrofit Kit calls out 4 Grease Fittings and the
instructions say to lubricate monthly. The original Factory Manual
makes no mention of a lubrication requirement that I can find.

I think that some PO’s had rudder problems and went with a modified
fix and only installed the grease fittings rather than the whole
retrofit.

My F36 is hull # 29 and it has the grease fittings.





— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Paul McFadden
<pwhitmac@y…> wrote:

This is kinda interesting. It would appear that the same grease
fitting (zerk) situation occurs in Hoyt 32s also. A friend of mine
swears that there is no zerk fittings on the rudder bearing housing
of their 32, where mine has four. One on each side both top and
bottom. For the life of me I can’t understand why TPI discontinued
these fittings, which is all I can assume, as the other boat is a
later model than mine. Believe me, these grease fittings are
benefical, they keep my helm feather light, with no leaks.

Has anyone else run into this situation?
PWM

JoelR <ohso2001@y…> wrote:
My F-30 is hull number 76. In the past I have
discussed via email the rudder lubrication situation
with other F-30 owners, and one owner told me his boat
had lubrication nipples on the rudder shaft for a
grease gun. His hull was earlier than mine.

I have checked numerous times for lubrication nipples
on the rudder shaft my Freedom and have found none. I
have crawled around in the lazarette and looked
everywhere in the location of the rudder shaft – with
my glasses on.

Figuring that I was an idiot, after the lubrication
issue came up on an old Freedom list, I was determined
to do this maintenance. Then next time I was having
the bottom done I paid a yard “technician” to go in
there to lubricate the rudder.

He did’t find anything to lubricate either. But he did
charge me $80 to dive into the lazarette for about 10
minutes.

The rudder continues to work fine. No problem.

The last time I had the boat out of the water, I had a
rigger at a different yard go in and take a look. He
said there was nothing to lubricate because the parts
were nylon and didn’t require lubrication.

There is nothing in my Freedom manual about
lubricating the rudder.

Although what the last rigger said doesn’t sound right
to me. I’ve had the boat seven years and have never
been able to lubricate the rudder shaft. I haven’t
dribbled mineral oil down the emergency rudder shaft
or anything else. It still works fine.

I still feel like it needs to be lubricated.

That the story of F-30 (76).

Lee

— macks011 <macks04@o…> wrote:

According to Paul Dennis (who worked with Mark
Edwards building
these boats), the grease fittings are less a
function of a need for
lubrication then as a means of introducing a thick
grease as a
shimming agent. Delrin and the other plastics used
are self
lubricating materials.

The key is rudder play. 1" to 1-1/2" sideways
movement at the bottom
of the rudder is OK. More than that and the lower
bearing is shot.
Less and its too tight due to swelling.

As an historical note, in 1988 Freedom offered an
upgrade to the
rudder bearings. They were made of Delrin and larger
and thicker
than the bearings pre hull number 105 on the F30 and
pre hull number
100 on the F36. The new bearings were standard on
the later models.

. — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “David
G. Evans”
<dgevans@e…> wrote:

There’s a long history of dealing with this
problem and almost as
many
answers as answerers. Our 28 had been adjusted by
the factory to
ease the
bushing, but once in a while it would get stiff as
you describe.
If the
grease fitting still works, you can try to
lubricate the shaft
that way.
Ours has always been frozen, so I squirt mineral
oil around the
rudder tube.
(Some people have wondered about using lubricants
that might harm
the
plastic; this has always seemed safe.)
dge
----- Original Message -----
From: “jon_jlh” <jon_jlh@y…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 8:45 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] F-30 steering

Hi,

I have a 1897 F-30 with Edison Pedistal
steering. The steering
is
very stiff. I have closely examined the
steering cables from the
pedistal back through the rudder post and don’t
seem to see any
obvious problems.

The cables do not seem to be overy-tight as
there is play in the
cables.

The boat was on blocks for about a year before I
bought it. I
had
the boat launched for a sea trial and did not
notice any
problems,
but within a day of launching, the steering
became progressively
stiff.

Does anyone have any experience with the
appropriate tension of
the
cables or other problems with the rudder shaft
gland/stuffing
box.

Thanks
Jon

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Posted by Doug Payne (doug.payne@…>)


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Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005
10:10 PM
To:
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Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re:
F-30 steering

I have, as part of my boat documents, complete
factory blue prints
of the rudder tube, upper and lower rudder
bearings (new style),
upper and lower bearings (old style) and a
document
titled “Retrofitting Rudder Bearing Parts
Kit, Freedom 30/ Freedom
36” As far as I can tell, The retro fit was
never performed on my
boat. Three things, however: The original factory
drawings of the
rudder tube and bearings do not show any zerk
fittings. The parts
list for the Retrofit Kit calls out 4 Grease
Fittings and the
instructions say to lubricate monthly. The
original Factory Manual
makes no mention of a lubrication requirement that
I can find.

I think that some PO’s had rudder problems and
went with a modified
fix and only installed the grease fittings rather
than the whole
retrofit.

My F36 is hull # 29 and it has the grease
fittings.





— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Paul
McFadden
<pwhitmac@y…> wrote:

This is kinda interesting. It would appear
that the same grease
fitting (zerk) situation occurs in Hoyt 32s also.
A friend of mine
swears that there is no zerk fittings on the
rudder bearing housing
of their 32, where mine has four. One on each side
both top and
bottom. For the life of me I can’t understand why
TPI discontinued
these fittings, which is all I can assume, as the
other boat is a
later model than mine. Believe me, these grease
fittings are
benefical, they keep my helm feather light, with
no leaks.

Has anyone else run into this situation?
PWM

JoelR <ohso2001@y…> wrote:
My F-30 is hull number 76. In the past I have
discussed via email the rudder lubrication
situation
with other F-30 owners, and one owner told me
his boat
had lubrication nipples on the
rudder shaft for a
grease gun. His hull was earlier than mine.

I have checked numerous times for lubrication
nipples
on the rudder shaft my Freedom and have found
none. I
have crawled around in the lazarette and
looked
everywhere in the location of the rudder
shaft – with
my glasses on.

Figuring that I was an idiot, after the
lubrication
issue came up on an old Freedom list, I was
determined
to do this maintenance. Then next time I was
having
the bottom done I paid a yard
“technician” to go in
there to lubricate the rudder.

He did’t find anything to lubricate either.
But he did
charge me $80 to dive into the lazarette for
about 10
minutes.

The rudder continues to work fine. No
problem.

The last time I had the boat out of the
water, I had a
rigger at a different yard go in and take a
look. He
said there was nothing to lubricate because
the parts
were nylon and didn’t require lubrication.

There is nothing in my Freedom manual about
lubricating the rudder.

Although what the last rigger said doesn’t
sound right
to me. I’ve had the boat seven years and have
never
been able to lubricate the rudder shaft. I
haven’t
dribbled mineral oil down the emergency
rudder shaft
or anything else. It still works fine.

I still feel like it needs to be lubricated.

That the story of F-30 (76).

Lee

— macks011 <macks04@o…> wrote:

According to Paul Dennis (who worked
with Mark
Edwards building
these boats), the grease fittings are
less a
function of a need for
lubrication then as a means of
introducing a thick
grease as a
shimming agent. Delrin and the other
plastics used
are self
lubricating materials.

The key is rudder play. 1" to
1-1/2" sideways
movement at the bottom
of the rudder is OK. More than that and
the lower
bearing is shot.
Less and its too tight due to swelling.

As an historical note, in 1988 Freedom
offered an
upgrade to the
rudder bearings. They were made of
Delrin and larger
and thicker
than the bearings pre hull number 105 on
the F30 and
pre hull number
100 on the F36. The new bearings were
standard on
the later models.

. — In
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “David
G. Evans”
<dgevans@e…> wrote:

There’s a long history of dealing
with this
problem and almost as
many
answers as answerers. Our 28 had
been adjusted by
the factory to
ease the
bushing, but once in a while it
would get stiff as
you describe.
If the
grease fitting still works, you can
try to
lubricate the shaft
that way.
Ours has always been frozen, so I
squirt mineral
oil around the
rudder tube.
(Some people have wondered about
using lubricants
that might harm
the
plastic; this has always seemed
safe.)
dge
----- Original Message -----
From: “jon_jlh”
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To:
<freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 8:45
AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] F-30
steering

Hi,

I have a 1897 F-30 with Edison
Pedistal
steering. The steering
is
very stiff. I have
closely examined the
steering cables from the
pedistal back through the
rudder post and don’t
seem to see any
obvious problems.

The cables do not seem to be
overy-tight as
there is play in the
cables.

The boat was on blocks for
about a year before I
bought it. I
had
the boat launched for a sea
trial and did not
notice any
problems,
but within a day of launching,
the steering
became progressively
stiff.

Does anyone have any
experience with the
appropriate tension of
the
cables or other problems with
the rudder shaft
gland/stuffing
box.

Thanks
Jon

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Posted by Weeks MD, Andrew (aweeks@…>)


If it aint broke….
I have F-30 ##62. No grease nipples and
steering works great as long as I don’t wrap a lobsta pot warp around it…
Andy Weeks Windfall

-----Original Message-----
From: JoelR
[mailto:ohso2001@…]
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 7:12
PM
To:
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003]
Re: F-30 steering

My F-30 is hull number 76. In the past I have
discussed via email the rudder lubrication
situation
with other F-30 owners, and one owner told me his
boat
had lubrication nipples on the rudder
shaft for a
grease gun. His hull was earlier than mine.

I have checked numerous times for lubrication
nipples
on the rudder shaft my Freedom and have found
none. I
have crawled around in the lazarette and looked
everywhere in the location of the rudder shaft –
with
my glasses on.

Figuring that I was an idiot, after the
lubrication
issue came up on an old Freedom list, I was
determined
to do this maintenance. Then next time I was
having
the bottom done I paid a yard
“technician” to go in
there to lubricate the rudder.

He did’t find anything to lubricate either. But he
did
charge me $80 to dive into the lazarette for about
10
minutes.

The rudder continues to work fine. No problem.

The last time I had the boat out of the water, I
had a
rigger at a different yard go in and take a look.
He
said there was nothing to lubricate because the
parts
were nylon and didn’t require lubrication.

There is nothing in my Freedom manual about
lubricating the rudder.

Although what the last rigger said doesn’t sound
right
to me. I’ve had the boat seven years and have
never
been able to lubricate the rudder shaft. I haven’t
dribbled mineral oil down the emergency rudder
shaft
or anything else. It still works fine.

I still feel like it needs to be lubricated.

That the story of F-30 (76).

Lee


— macks011 <macks04@…> wrote:

According to Paul Dennis (who worked with
Mark
Edwards building
these boats), the grease fittings are less a
function of a need for
lubrication then as a means of introducing a
thick
grease as a
shimming agent. Delrin and the other plastics
used
are self
lubricating materials.

The key is rudder play. 1" to
1-1/2" sideways
movement at the bottom
of the rudder is OK. More than that and the
lower
bearing is shot.
Less and its too tight due to swelling.

As an historical note, in 1988 Freedom
offered an
upgrade to the
rudder bearings. They were made of Delrin and
larger
and thicker
than the bearings pre hull number 105 on the
F30 and
pre hull number
100 on the F36. The new bearings were standard
on
the later models.

. — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“David
G. Evans”
<dgevans@e…> wrote:

There’s a long history of dealing with
this
problem and almost as
many
answers as answerers. Our 28 had been
adjusted by
the factory to
ease the
bushing, but once in a while it would
get stiff as
you describe.
If the
grease fitting still works, you can try
to
lubricate the shaft
that way.
Ours has always been frozen, so I squirt
mineral
oil around the
rudder tube.
(Some people have wondered about using
lubricants
that might harm
the
plastic; this has always seemed safe.)
dge
----- Original Message -----
From: “jon_jlh”
<jon_jlh@y…>
To: <freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 8:45 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] F-30
steering

Hi,

I have a 1897 F-30 with Edison
Pedistal
steering. The steering
is
very stiff. I have closely
examined the
steering cables from the
pedistal back through the rudder
post and don’t
seem to see any
obvious problems.

The cables do not seem to be
overy-tight as
there is play in the
cables.

The boat was on blocks for about a
year before I
bought it. I
had
the boat launched for a sea trial
and did not
notice any
problems,
but within a day of launching, the
steering
became progressively
stiff.

Does anyone have any experience
with the
appropriate tension of
the
cables or other problems with the
rudder shaft
gland/stuffing
box.

Thanks
Jon

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