F-40 CK

[Jay_Glen]

Posted by Jay Glen (svfantasy@…>)

I presently store my 9’ inflatable upside down on the foredeck. I
would like to install a davit system on the stern, however, those of
you familiar with the F-40 CK know we have a boomkin with the
asscoiated bob-stays (?). In my mind I have three options;

1. Leave things as they are and continue wrestling the dinghy on and
   off the foredeck.

2. Remove the bob-stays (rigging that holds the boomkin down) and
   install some stainless steel brackets against the transom and boomkin
   to take the vertical and side stresses imposed by the mizzen sheet.
   Indoing so, I could raise the dinghy up to the bottom of the boomkin.
   But that may not be high enough when the seas are up and the boat is
   heeling.

3. The most radical idea is to remove the factory boomkin (stays and
   all) have a new stainless steel combination davit-boomkin,custom made.
   The aft end of this davit/boomkin would be elevated approx 2 - 3 feet
   above the position of the existing boomkin. Similar to an arch
   arangement, with the mizzen sheet attached at this new elevation. The
   construction would have to be substantial enough to take the loads
   imposed by the mizzen sheet.

Obviously, I’m concerned about destroying the astetics (sp) of this
beautiful design, so I do not want to get too extreme.
But, due to back problems I cannot continue lifting the dinghy over
the side of the boat. Having a dinghy suspended by davits has always
been my choice on past boats I’ve owned. And, I am aware of the
potential problems hanging one in bad weather. I just thought I give
you all a give me a reality check!!

Thanks,

Jay

[george_huffman1]

Posted by george huffman (thatboatguy2@…>)
Hi Jay,We are struggling with the same questions that you are. We have the center cockpit version and as you know from previous posts we have not even seen our boat in the water yet, let alone sailed her. My hope (looking at things from the ground) is that we can put a pair of removable davits back there for our rib and then suck the rib up tight against the boomkin bobstays. Of course we would have to have a chaffing arrangement. We thought this might be an OK arrangment for daily use and island hopping, gunkeholing, or coasting in good weather while deflating the dink and strapping her upside down on the aft deck would be best for passage making. I also thought of making the arrangement that you were talking about. I was thinking about taking my first shot at carbon fiber construction. In this way the mizzen sheet could be on a traveler across the top of the davits. Like you, we are hesitating to do
anything to garf up the looks of this boat. It’s a big part of why we bought her and we are even willing to give up life lines in favor of jack lines. Some previous owner purchased a bunch of short stantions and the wires, gates, turnbuckles, etc… and they were stored in the aft cabin so I can see that we are not the first to struggle with this. GeorgeJay Glen <svfantasy@…> wrote: I presently store my 9’ inflatable upside down on the foredeck. I would like to install a davit system on the stern,
however, those of you familiar with the F-40 CK know we have a boomkin with the asscoiated bob-stays (?). In my mind I have three options; 1. Leave things as they are and continue wrestling the dinghy on and off the foredeck. 2. Remove the bob-stays (rigging that holds the boomkin down) and install some stainless steel brackets against the transom and boomkin to take the vertical and side stresses imposed by the mizzen sheet. Indoing so, I could raise the dinghy up to the bottom of the boomkin. But that may not be high enough when the seas are up and the boat is heeling. 3. The most radical idea is to remove the factory boomkin (stays and all) have a new stainless steel combination davit-boomkin,custom made. The aft end of this davit/boomkin would be elevated approx 2 - 3 feet above the position of the existing boomkin. Similar to an arch arangement, with the mizzen sheet attached at this new
elevation. The construction would have to be substantial enough to take the loads imposed by the mizzen sheet. Obviously, I’m concerned about destroying the astetics (sp) of this beautiful design, so I do not want to get too extreme. But, due to back problems I cannot continue lifting the dinghy over the side of the boat. Having a dinghy suspended by davits has always been my choice on past boats I’ve owned. And, I am aware of the potential problems hanging one in bad weather. I just thought I give you all a give me a reality check!! Thanks, Jay
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[Jay_Glen]

Posted by Jay Glen (svfantasy@…>)
Thanks Peter and George,Thanks for your comments. George, I also thought of just “sucking” the dink against the boomkin bobstays, but was concerned about it being too close to the water. I think the easiest solution would be to remove the bobstays and install heavy stainless brackets under the boomkin that attach to the transom. In doing so, you can get the dink higher, and still maintain the overall “look” of this boat. What do you think?
JayOn 8/3/07, george huffman <thatboatguy2@…> wrote:




Hi Jay,We are struggling with the same questions that you are. We have the center cockpit version and as you know from previous posts we have not even seen our boat in the water yet, let alone sailed her. My hope (looking at things from the ground) is that we can put a pair of removable davits back there for our rib and then suck the rib up tight against the boomkin bobstays. Of course we would have to have a chaffing arrangement. We thought this might be an OK arrangment for daily use and island hopping, gunkeholing, or coasting in good weather while deflating the dink and strapping her upside down on the aft deck would be best for passage making. I also thought of making the arrangement that you were talking about. I was thinking about taking my first shot at carbon fiber construction. In this way the mizzen sheet could be on a traveler across the top of the davits. Like you, we are hesitating to do
anything to garf up the looks of this boat. It’s a big part of why we bought her and we are even willing to give up life lines in favor of jack lines. Some previous owner purchased a bunch of short stantions and the wires, gates, turnbuckles, etc… and they were stored in the aft cabin so I can see that we are not the first to struggle with this. GeorgeJay Glen <svfantasy@…> wrote:
I presently store my 9’ inflatable upside down on the foredeck. I would like to install a davit system on the stern,
however, those of you familiar with the F-40 CK know we have a boomkin with the asscoiated bob-stays (?). In my mind I have three options; 1. Leave things as they are and continue wrestling the dinghy on and
off the foredeck. 2. Remove the bob-stays (rigging that holds the boomkin down) and install some stainless steel brackets against the transom and boomkin to take the vertical and side stresses imposed by the mizzen sheet.
Indoing so, I could raise the dinghy up to the bottom of the boomkin. But that may not be high enough when the seas are up and the boat is heeling. 3. The most radical idea is to remove the factory boomkin (stays and
all) have a new stainless steel combination davit-boomkin,custom made. The aft end of this davit/boomkin would be elevated approx 2 - 3 feet above the position of the existing boomkin. Similar to an arch arangement, with the mizzen sheet attached at this new
elevation. The construction would have to be substantial enough to take the loads imposed by the mizzen sheet. Obviously, I’m concerned about destroying the astetics (sp) of this beautiful design, so I do not want to get too extreme.
But, due to back problems I cannot continue lifting the dinghy over the side of the boat. Having a dinghy suspended by davits has always been my choice on past boats I’ve owned. And, I am aware of the
potential problems hanging one in bad weather. I just thought I give you all a give me a reality check!! Thanks, Jay Be a better Globetrotter.
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[Herman_Schiller]

Posted by Herman Schiller (hschiller2@…>)

If you ever saw the early '80s brochures of the F-40CK with the
davits and the hard dink on deck, you would agree with me how really
cool and “shippy” it looks. Given the flush deck design of this
boat,it looks esthetically appropriate. Besides, hard dinks can be
rowed, unlike the inflatable ones. Herm

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Jay Glen” <svfantasy@…>
wrote:

Thanks Peter and George,

Thanks for your comments. George, I also thought of just “sucking”
the dink
against the boomkin bobstays, but was concerned about it being too
close to
the water. I think the easiest solution would be to remove the
bobstays and
install heavy stainless brackets under the boomkin that attach to
the
transom. In doing so, you can get the dink higher, and still
maintain the
overall “look” of this boat. What do you think?

Jay

On 8/3/07, george huffman <thatboatguy2@…> wrote:

Hi Jay,

We are struggling with the same questions that you are. We have
the
center cockpit version and as you know from previous posts we
have not even
seen our boat in the water yet, let alone sailed her. My hope
(looking at
things from the ground) is that we can put a pair of removable
davits back
there for our rib and then suck the rib up tight against the
boomkin
bobstays. Of course we would have to have a chaffing
arrangement. We
thought this might be an OK arrangment for daily use and island
hopping,
gunkeholing, or coasting in good weather while deflating the dink
and
strapping her upside down on the aft deck would be best for
passage making.

I also thought of making the arrangement that you were talking
about. I
was thinking about taking my first shot at carbon fiber
construction. In
this way the mizzen sheet could be on a traveler across the top
of the
davits.

Like you, we are hesitating to do anything to garf up the looks
of this
boat. It’s a big part of why we bought her and we are even
willing to give
up life lines in favor of jack lines. Some previous owner
purchased a bunch
of short stantions and the wires, gates, turnbuckles, etc… and
they were
stored in the aft cabin so I can see that we are not the first to
struggle
with this.

George

Jay Glen <svfantasy@…> wrote:

I presently store my 9’ inflatable upside down on the foredeck. I
would like to install a davit system on the stern, however, those
of
you familiar with the F-40 CK know we have a boomkin with the
asscoiated bob-stays (?). In my mind I have three options;

1. Leave things as they are and continue wrestling the dinghy on
   and
   off the foredeck.

2. Remove the bob-stays (rigging that holds the boomkin down) and
   install some stainless steel brackets against the transom and
   boomkin
   to take the vertical and side stresses imposed by the mizzen
   sheet.
   Indoing so, I could raise the dinghy up to the bottom of the
   boomkin.
   But that may not be high enough when the seas are up and the boat
   is
   heeling.

3. The most radical idea is to remove the factory boomkin (stays
   and
   all) have a new stainless steel combination davit-boomkin,custom
   made.
   The aft end of this davit/boomkin would be elevated approx 2 - 3
   feet
   above the position of the existing boomkin. Similar to an arch
   arangement, with the mizzen sheet attached at this new elevation.
   The
   construction would have to be substantial enough to take the loads
   imposed by the mizzen sheet.

Obviously, I’m concerned about destroying the astetics (sp) of
this
beautiful design, so I do not want to get too extreme.
But, due to back problems I cannot continue lifting the dinghy
over
the side of the boat. Having a dinghy suspended by davits has
always
been my choice on past boats I’ve owned. And, I am aware of the
potential problems hanging one in bad weather. I just thought I
give
you all a give me a reality check!!

Thanks,

Jay

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Posted by Skipper Skip (skipperf33@…>)
Have you given any thought to building a davit system or crane affair that would place the dink on the foredeck? Maybe something designed to be removed or folded down along the gunwale when not in active use? Just a thought. Skip F-33Jay Glen <svfantasy@…> wrote: I presently store my 9’ inflatable upside down on the foredeck. Iwould like to install a davit system on the stern, however, those ofyou
familiar with the F-40 CK know we have a boomkin with theasscoiated bob-stays (?). In my mind I have three options;1. Leave things as they are and continue wrestling the dinghy on andoff the foredeck.2. Remove the bob-stays (rigging that holds the boomkin down) andinstall some stainless steel brackets against the transom and boomkinto take the vertical and side stresses imposed by the mizzen sheet.Indoing so, I could raise the dinghy up to the bottom of the boomkin.But that may not be high enough when the seas are up and the boat isheeling.3. The most radical idea is to remove the factory boomkin (stays andall) have a new stainless steel combination davit-boomkin,custom made.The aft end of this davit/boomkin would be elevated approx 2 - 3 feetabove the position of the existing boomkin. Similar to an archarangement, with the mizzen sheet attached at this new elevation. Theconstruction would have to
be substantial enough to take the loadsimposed by the mizzen sheet.Obviously, I’m concerned about destroying the astetics (sp) of thisbeautiful design, so I do not want to get too extreme.But, due to back problems I cannot continue lifting the dinghy overthe side of the boat. Having a dinghy suspended by davits has alwaysbeen my choice on past boats I’ve owned. And, I am aware of thepotential problems hanging one in bad weather. I just thought I giveyou all a give me a reality check!!Thanks,Jay
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[george_huffman1]

Posted by george huffman (thatboatguy2@…>)
I don’t know the answer yet. After the post about the “massive dinghy” I went and measured my aft deck. If the dink was arranged fore and aft it couldn’t be more than 8 feet… I think I might be able to arrange our little RIB in chocks with a minimum of overhang so davits (removable ones like the Kingstons for sale in Defender) would actually work out pretty good on the port side of the boat… hmmm need more measurements. Worth looking into for a solutions less than $800 eh? GeorgeSkipper Skip <skipperf33@…> wrote: Have you given any thought to building a davit system or crane affair that would place the dink on the foredeck? Maybe something designed to be removed or folded down along the gunwale when not in active use? Just a thought. Skip F-33Jay Glen <svfantasy@gmail.com> wrote: I presently store my 9’ inflatable upside down on the foredeck. Iwould like to install a davit system on the stern, however, those ofyou familiar with the F-40 CK know we have a boomkin with theasscoiated bob-stays (?). In my mind I have three options;1. Leave things as they are and continue wrestling the dinghy on andoff the foredeck.2. Remove the
bob-stays (rigging that holds the boomkin down) andinstall some stainless steel brackets against the transom and boomkinto take the vertical and side stresses imposed by the mizzen sheet.Indoing so, I could raise the dinghy up to the bottom of the boomkin.But that may not be high enough when the seas are up and the boat isheeling.3. The most radical idea is to remove the factory boomkin (stays andall) have a new stainless steel combination davit-boomkin,custom made.The aft end of this davit/boomkin would be elevated approx 2 - 3 feetabove the position of the existing boomkin. Similar to an archarangement, with the mizzen sheet attached at this new elevation. Theconstruction would have to be substantial enough to take the loadsimposed by the mizzen sheet.Obviously, I’m concerned about destroying the astetics (sp) of thisbeautiful design, so I do not want to get too extreme.But, due to back problems I
cannot continue lifting the dinghy overthe side of the boat. Having a dinghy suspended by davits has alwaysbeen my choice on past boats I’ve owned. And, I am aware of thepotential problems hanging one in bad weather. I just thought I giveyou all a give me a reality check!!Thanks,Jay Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.
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[katorpus1]

Posted by katorpus (jrb@…>)

Consider this alternative


http://www.porta-bote.com/dimensions.html

With a hull weight of 47 to 96 lbs (8 to 14 ft sizes), and the small
outboard required, you could hoist this thing to the deck using a
halyard and a manual winch.

No davits, haul it on the foredeck (folded flat) or inside the
lifelines (island hopping or coastal cruising).

You could stuff any of the 3 smaller sizes down below if you needed
to (then you’d only be worried about someone stealing the outboard).

The 8, 10, or 12 footers would fit on edge on the cabin sole in the
main saloon (for security, when going off and leaving the boat)…but
I wouldn’t want to share the space with any of them on an offshore
voyage.

I’ve seen them around at boat shows…I was impressed.

(I have no vested interest here, just passing on an alternative idea)









— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, george huffman
<thatboatguy2@…> wrote:

I don’t know the answer yet. After the post about the “massive
dinghy” I went and measured my aft deck. If the dink was arranged
fore and aft it couldn’t be more than 8 feet… I think I might be
able to arrange our little RIB in chocks with a minimum of overhang
so davits (removable ones like the Kingstons for sale in Defender)
would actually work out pretty good on the port side of the boat…
hmmm need more measurements. Worth looking into for a solutions less
than $800 eh?

George

Skipper Skip <skipperf33@…>
wrote:
Have you given any thought to building a davit system or crane
affair that would place the dink on the foredeck? Maybe something
designed to be removed or folded down along the gunwale when not in
active use? Just a thought.

Skip
F-33

Jay Glen <svfantasy@…> wrote: I presently store my 9’
inflatable upside down on the foredeck. I
would like to install a davit system on the stern, however, those of
you familiar with the F-40 CK know we have a boomkin with the
asscoiated bob-stays (?). In my mind I have three options;

1. Leave things as they are and continue wrestling the dinghy on and
   off the foredeck.

2. Remove the bob-stays (rigging that holds the boomkin down) and
   install some stainless steel brackets against the transom and
   boomkin
   to take the vertical and side stresses imposed by the mizzen sheet.
   Indoing so, I could raise the dinghy up to the bottom of the
   boomkin.
   But that may not be high enough when the seas are up and the boat is
   heeling.

3. The most radical idea is to remove the factory boomkin (stays and
   all) have a new stainless steel combination davit-boomkin,custom
   made.
   The aft end of this davit/boomkin would be elevated approx 2 - 3
   feet
   above the position of the existing boomkin. Similar to an arch
   arangement, with the mizzen sheet attached at this new elevation.
   The
   construction would have to be substantial enough to take the loads
   imposed by the mizzen sheet.

Obviously, I’m concerned about destroying the astetics (sp) of this
beautiful design, so I do not want to get too extreme.
But, due to back problems I cannot continue lifting the dinghy over
the side of the boat. Having a dinghy suspended by davits has always
been my choice on past boats I’ve owned. And, I am aware of the
potential problems hanging one in bad weather. I just thought I give
you all a give me a reality check!!

Thanks,

Jay

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[rick_simonds1]

Posted by rick_simonds (rick_simonds@…>)

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “katorpus” <jrb@…> wrote:

Consider this alternative

http://www.porta-bote.com/dimensions.html

With a hull weight of 47 to 96 lbs (8 to 14 ft sizes), and the
small
outboard required, you could hoist this thing to the deck using a
halyard and a manual winch.

No davits, haul it on the foredeck (folded flat) or inside the
lifelines (island hopping or coastal cruising).

You could stuff any of the 3 smaller sizes down below if you needed
to (then you’d only be worried about someone stealing the
outboard).

The 8, 10, or 12 footers would fit on edge on the cabin sole in the
main saloon (for security, when going off and leaving the
boat)…but
I wouldn’t want to share the space with any of them on an offshore
voyage.

I’ve seen them around at boat shows…I was impressed.

(I have no vested interest here, just passing on an alternative
idea)

I have a 12 foot Porta-Bote and have only a single complaint; a 10
footer would have been a better choice for fitting on my Hoyt 32. It
is a butt-freakin’ ugly, absolutely wonderful boat. Very rugged and
reliable. I literally believe it’s impossible to damage one no matter
what you do to it. It folds up to about the size of a windsurfer,
plus a bit more for the seats and transom. I strap mine to the
lifeline stantions. It’s a bit of a chore putting it together on
deck, more trouble than my inflateable anyway, but it gets easier
with practice, maybe about 10 minutes. They are also a little wiggly
and squirmy in a chop. Despite that it is a far, far better dink than
my inflateable. They’ll tow well enough. They row surprisingly well
but sail like crap (don’t even briefly consider buying the optional
sailing rig, not even for a moment.)

I have a 3 HP outboard that pushes it at a useable but dull pace, not
enough to get on plane. A 6 HP or more would be about right. I
sometimes borrow a friend’s 9.9 HP and the boat really honks with
that, though I think it’s actually above the reccommended HP rating.
I sure does open up a lot more options about where I can explore at
an anchorage, though.

My $.02: Overall, a Porta-Bote is a great product that lives up to
its advertising hype.

Rick
Tallahassee

[Jay_Glen]

Posted by Jay Glen (svfantasy@…>)
Katorpus & Rick,My present dink is a simple Zodiac roll-up with a Nissan 4 HP outboard. I like the roll-up because it is very easy to store in my cockpit locker when I sail offshore along the California coast. However, when I’m in the Delta or SF Bay it would be much more convenient to have it ready to launch hanging from the stern davits. Call me lazy, but I like things that are rigged for ease of use. I did consider the fold a bote, however, having one strapped to my lifelines when offshore is asking for trouble. Flat on deck is an obstacle that poses other dangers when offshore. But, I thank you both for this reasonable solution.
JayOn 8/3/07, rick_simonds <rick_simonds@…> wrote:




— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “katorpus” <jrb@…> wrote:

Consider this alternative

http://www.porta-bote.com/dimensions.html

With a hull weight of 47 to 96 lbs (8 to 14 ft sizes), and the
small
outboard required, you could hoist this thing to the deck using a
halyard and a manual winch.

No davits, haul it on the foredeck (folded flat) or inside the
lifelines (island hopping or coastal cruising).

You could stuff any of the 3 smaller sizes down below if you needed
to (then you’d only be worried about someone stealing the
outboard).

The 8, 10, or 12 footers would fit on edge on the cabin sole in the
main saloon (for security, when going off and leaving the
boat)…but
I wouldn’t want to share the space with any of them on an offshore
voyage.

I’ve seen them around at boat shows…I was impressed.

(I have no vested interest here, just passing on an alternative
idea)

I have a 12 foot Porta-Bote and have only a single complaint; a 10
footer would have been a better choice for fitting on my Hoyt 32. It
is a butt-freakin’ ugly, absolutely wonderful boat. Very rugged and
reliable. I literally believe it’s impossible to damage one no matter
what you do to it. It folds up to about the size of a windsurfer,
plus a bit more for the seats and transom. I strap mine to the
lifeline stantions. It’s a bit of a chore putting it together on
deck, more trouble than my inflateable anyway, but it gets easier
with practice, maybe about 10 minutes. They are also a little wiggly
and squirmy in a chop. Despite that it is a far, far better dink than
my inflateable. They’ll tow well enough. They row surprisingly well
but sail like crap (don’t even briefly consider buying the optional
sailing rig, not even for a moment.)

I have a 3 HP outboard that pushes it at a useable but dull pace, not
enough to get on plane. A 6 HP or more would be about right. I
sometimes borrow a friend’s 9.9 HP and the boat really honks with
that, though I think it’s actually above the reccommended HP rating.
I sure does open up a lot more options about where I can explore at
an anchorage, though.

My $.02: Overall, a Porta-Bote is a great product that lives up to
its advertising hype.

Rick
Tallahassee




– Jay Glen ki6jtks/v FantasyFreedom 40 Cat-KetchSan Francisco Bay Area

[michel.capel]

Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)

Jay,

I have an 8’ Walker Bay hard dinghy and want to store it on the port
side fordeck. I see two options to get it on and off board:

1. A single removeble davit on the port side deck around which the
   dinghy rotates, like they had on the English Thames barges. But that
   would mean drilling a large hole in the deck to mount the pipe piece
   in which the davit rotates.

2. I have the wishbones, like you do. I want to first try if I can
   use the wishbone as a derrick to lift the dinghy, by simply using an
   extra tackle a bit forward of the mainsheet.

On my F44 I could easily have transom davits, but I’m not fond of the
loks of that. I like the bell shaped transom too much.

Best,
Michel


— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Jay Glen” <svfantasy@…>
wrote:

I presently store my 9’ inflatable upside down on the foredeck. I
would like to install a davit system on the stern, however, those of
you familiar with the F-40 CK know we have a boomkin with the
asscoiated bob-stays (?). In my mind I have three options;

1. Leave things as they are and continue wrestling the dinghy on and
   off the foredeck.

2. Remove the bob-stays (rigging that holds the boomkin down) and
   install some stainless steel brackets against the transom and
   boomkin
   to take the vertical and side stresses imposed by the mizzen sheet.
   Indoing so, I could raise the dinghy up to the bottom of the
   boomkin.
   But that may not be high enough when the seas are up and the boat is
   heeling.

3. The most radical idea is to remove the factory boomkin (stays and
   all) have a new stainless steel combination davit-boomkin,custom
   made.
   The aft end of this davit/boomkin would be elevated approx 2 - 3
   feet
   above the position of the existing boomkin. Similar to an arch
   arangement, with the mizzen sheet attached at this new elevation.
   The
   construction would have to be substantial enough to take the loads
   imposed by the mizzen sheet.

Obviously, I’m concerned about destroying the astetics (sp) of this
beautiful design, so I do not want to get too extreme.
But, due to back problems I cannot continue lifting the dinghy over
the side of the boat. Having a dinghy suspended by davits has always
been my choice on past boats I’ve owned. And, I am aware of the
potential problems hanging one in bad weather. I just thought I give
you all a give me a reality check!!

Thanks,

Jay

[michel.capel]

Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)

Jay,

If you switch to a hard dinghy like I did, you could troll it in
anything but open ocean. I trolled my Walker Bay across the North Sea
and back, ant that stretch of water is far from friendly. My Walker
Bay has a self drainer, so water sloshed in leaves the dink by
itself. (PS it’s great fun to sail in a WB8 when you are at anchor.)

Michel

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Jay Glen” <svfantasy@…>
wrote:

Katorpus & Rick,

My present dink is a simple Zodiac roll-up with a Nissan 4 HP
outboard. I
like the roll-up because it is very easy to store in my cockpit
locker when
I sail offshore along the California coast. However, when I’m in
the Delta
or SF Bay it would be much more convenient to have it ready to
launch
hanging from the stern davits. Call me lazy, but I like things that
are
rigged for ease of use.

I did consider the fold a bote, however, having one strapped to my
lifelines
when offshore is asking for trouble. Flat on deck is an obstacle
that poses
other dangers when offshore. But, I thank you both for this
reasonable
solution.

Jay

On 8/3/07, rick_simonds <rick_simonds@…> wrote:

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com<FreedomOwnersGroup%
40yahoogroups.com>,
“katorpus” <jrb@> wrote:

Consider this alternative

http://www.porta-bote.com/dimensions.html

With a hull weight of 47 to 96 lbs (8 to 14 ft sizes), and the
small
outboard required, you could hoist this thing to the deck using
a
halyard and a manual winch.

No davits, haul it on the foredeck (folded flat) or inside the
lifelines (island hopping or coastal cruising).

You could stuff any of the 3 smaller sizes down below if you
needed
to (then you’d only be worried about someone stealing the
outboard).

The 8, 10, or 12 footers would fit on edge on the cabin sole in
the
main saloon (for security, when going off and leaving the
boat)…but
I wouldn’t want to share the space with any of them on an
offshore
voyage.

I’ve seen them around at boat shows…I was impressed.

(I have no vested interest here, just passing on an alternative
idea)

I have a 12 foot Porta-Bote and have only a single complaint; a 10
footer would have been a better choice for fitting on my Hoyt 32.
It
is a butt-freakin’ ugly, absolutely wonderful boat. Very rugged
and
reliable. I literally believe it’s impossible to damage one no
matter
what you do to it. It folds up to about the size of a windsurfer,
plus a bit more for the seats and transom. I strap mine to the
lifeline stantions. It’s a bit of a chore putting it together on
deck, more trouble than my inflateable anyway, but it gets easier
with practice, maybe about 10 minutes. They are also a little
wiggly
and squirmy in a chop. Despite that it is a far, far better dink
than
my inflateable. They’ll tow well enough. They row surprisingly
well
but sail like crap (don’t even briefly consider buying the
optional
sailing rig, not even for a moment.)

I have a 3 HP outboard that pushes it at a useable but dull pace,
not
enough to get on plane. A 6 HP or more would be about right. I
sometimes borrow a friend’s 9.9 HP and the boat really honks with
that, though I think it’s actually above the reccommended HP
rating.
I sure does open up a lot more options about where I can explore
at
an anchorage, though.

My $.02: Overall, a Porta-Bote is a great product that lives up to
its advertising hype.

Rick
Tallahassee

–
Jay Glen ki6jtk
s/v Fantasy
Freedom 40 Cat-Ketch
San Francisco Bay Area

[Jay_Glen]

Posted by Jay Glen (svfantasy@…>)
Michel,Thanks for your input also. I previously thought about rigging a single, rotating davit on either the port or stbd side decks, or, as you said, using the wishbone as a crane. I think the using the wishbone would be preferable over installing a hefty rotating davit on either rail.
Its already there, and I believe could take the loads with no problem.JayOn 8/5/07, michel.capel <
michel.capel@…> wrote:




Jay,

If you switch to a hard dinghy like I did, you could troll it in
anything but open ocean. I trolled my Walker Bay across the North Sea
and back, ant that stretch of water is far from friendly. My Walker
Bay has a self drainer, so water sloshed in leaves the dink by
itself. (PS it’s great fun to sail in a WB8 when you are at anchor.)

Michel

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Jay Glen” <svfantasy@…>
wrote:

Katorpus & Rick,

My present dink is a simple Zodiac roll-up with a Nissan 4 HP
outboard. I
like the roll-up because it is very easy to store in my cockpit
locker when
I sail offshore along the California coast. However, when I’m in
the Delta
or SF Bay it would be much more convenient to have it ready to
launch
hanging from the stern davits. Call me lazy, but I like things that
are
rigged for ease of use.

I did consider the fold a bote, however, having one strapped to my
lifelines
when offshore is asking for trouble. Flat on deck is an obstacle
that poses
other dangers when offshore. But, I thank you both for this
reasonable
solution.

Jay

On 8/3/07, rick_simonds <rick_simonds@…> wrote:

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com<FreedomOwnersGroup%
40yahoogroups.com>,
“katorpus” <jrb@> wrote:

Consider this alternative

http://www.porta-bote.com/dimensions.html

With a hull weight of 47 to 96 lbs (8 to 14 ft sizes), and the
small
outboard required, you could hoist this thing to the deck using
a
halyard and a manual winch.

No davits, haul it on the foredeck (folded flat) or inside the
lifelines (island hopping or coastal cruising).

You could stuff any of the 3 smaller sizes down below if you
needed
to (then you’d only be worried about someone stealing the
outboard).

The 8, 10, or 12 footers would fit on edge on the cabin sole in
the
main saloon (for security, when going off and leaving the
boat)…but
I wouldn’t want to share the space with any of them on an
offshore
voyage.

I’ve seen them around at boat shows…I was impressed.

(I have no vested interest here, just passing on an alternative
idea)

I have a 12 foot Porta-Bote and have only a single complaint; a 10
footer would have been a better choice for fitting on my Hoyt 32.
It
is a butt-freakin’ ugly, absolutely wonderful boat. Very rugged
and
reliable. I literally believe it’s impossible to damage one no
matter
what you do to it. It folds up to about the size of a windsurfer,
plus a bit more for the seats and transom. I strap mine to the
lifeline stantions. It’s a bit of a chore putting it together on
deck, more trouble than my inflateable anyway, but it gets easier
with practice, maybe about 10 minutes. They are also a little
wiggly
and squirmy in a chop. Despite that it is a far, far better dink
than
my inflateable. They’ll tow well enough. They row surprisingly
well
but sail like crap (don’t even briefly consider buying the
optional
sailing rig, not even for a moment.)

I have a 3 HP outboard that pushes it at a useable but dull pace,
not
enough to get on plane. A 6 HP or more would be about right. I
sometimes borrow a friend’s 9.9 HP and the boat really honks with
that, though I think it’s actually above the reccommended HP
rating.
I sure does open up a lot more options about where I can explore
at
an anchorage, though.

My $.02: Overall, a Porta-Bote is a great product that lives up to
its advertising hype.

Rick
Tallahassee

–
Jay Glen ki6jtk
s/v Fantasy
Freedom 40 Cat-Ketch
San Francisco Bay Area

– Jay Glen ki6jtks/v FantasyFreedom 40 Cat-KetchSan Francisco Bay Area