F30 In-boom reefing

ajlorman · September 6, 2005, 3:53pm

Posted by ajlorman (ajlorman@…>)

Despite having replaced virtually the entire in-boom reffing system,
I
continue to have friction that literally prevents the main from going
up. I replaced all the exterior blocks with ball-bearing Garhauers.
I
used the corect size line. I cleaned out the junk in the boom. The
one thing I didn’t change was the odd-looking double block that moves
forwards and backwards as you raise the main or reef it. That part is
available from Rig-Rite, but it didn’t seem to be binding. My
thought was, that if it needed changing, I would replace it with two
Garhauer blocks attached by their shackles. Has anyone had a similar
issue?

Many thanks.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

Alan_Kusinitz · September 6, 2005, 5:26pm

Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)

When I took apart my boom and replaced my reefing lines (on my F-33 with isomats) my sailormaker recommended removing the double block. It doesn’ t add any mechanical advantage and does add friction. Its intended to force both ends to come down evenly so I was a little leery. However I removed it and went to the single line and it works quite well. Can’t be sure if this will resolve your issue or if we had the same setup.
Alan F-33 Hull #51 1982

----- Original Message -----
From: ajlorman
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 11:53 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] F30 In-boom reefing
Despite having replaced virtually the entire in-boom reffing system,I continue to have friction that literally prevents the main from going up. I replaced all the exterior blocks with ball-bearing Garhauers. I used the corect size line. I cleaned out the junk in the boom. The one thing I didn’t change was the odd-looking double block that moves forwards and backwards as you raise the main or reef it. That part is available from Rig-Rite, but it didn’t seem to be binding. My thought was, that if it needed changing, I would replace it with two Garhauer blocks attached by their shackles. Has anyone had a similar issue?Many thanks.Al LormanF30 Ab Initio

Lorman_Alvin_J · September 6, 2005, 5:29pm

Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)

I’m not very imaginative. After you remove the double block, how do you rig it?

Al

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan KusinitzSent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 1:27 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] F30 In-boom reefing
When I took apart my boom and replaced my reefing lines (on my F-33 with isomats) my sailormaker recommended removing the double block. It doesn’ t add any mechanical advantage and does add friction. Its intended to force both ends to come down evenly so I was a little leery. However I removed it and went to the single line and it works quite well. Can’t be sure if this will resolve your issue or if we had the same setup.
Alan F-33 Hull #51 1982

----- Original Message -----
From: ajlorman
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 11:53 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] F30 In-boom reefing
Despite having replaced virtually the entire in-boom reffing system,I continue to have friction that literally prevents the main from going up. I replaced all the exterior blocks with ball-bearing Garhauers. I used the corect size line. I cleaned out the junk in the boom. The one thing I didn’t change was the odd-looking double block that moves forwards and backwards as you raise the main or reef it. That part is available from Rig-Rite, but it didn’t seem to be binding. My thought was, that if it needed changing, I would replace it with two Garhauer blocks attached by their shackles. Has anyone had a similar issue?Many thanks.Al LormanF30 Ab InitioIRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.

Alan_Kusinitz · September 6, 2005, 5:36pm

Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)

If its the same as mine the line is deadended around the boom, comes down through the block at the end of boom to the front of the boom then down and up through external blocks (one on the sail in my case and several on the mast collar.
Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: Lorman, Alvin J.
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 1:29 PM
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] F30 In-boom reefing

I’m not very imaginative. After you remove the double block, how do you rig it?

Al

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan KusinitzSent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 1:27 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] F30 In-boom reefing
When I took apart my boom and replaced my reefing lines (on my F-33 with isomats) my sailormaker recommended removing the double block. It doesn’ t add any mechanical advantage and does add friction. Its intended to force both ends to come down evenly so I was a little leery. However I removed it and went to the single line and it works quite well. Can’t be sure if this will resolve your issue or if we had the same setup.
Alan F-33 Hull #51 1982

----- Original Message -----
From: ajlorman
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 11:53 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] F30 In-boom reefing
Despite having replaced virtually the entire in-boom reffing system,I continue to have friction that literally prevents the main from going up. I replaced all the exterior blocks with ball-bearing Garhauers. I used the corect size line. I cleaned out the junk in the boom. The one thing I didn’t change was the odd-looking double block that moves forwards and backwards as you raise the main or reef it. That part is available from Rig-Rite, but it didn’t seem to be binding. My thought was, that if it needed changing, I would replace it with two Garhauer blocks attached by their shackles. Has anyone had a similar issue?Many thanks.Al LormanF30 Ab Initio

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Lorman_Alvin_J · September 6, 2005, 5:39pm

Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)

Thanks, Alan.

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan KusinitzSent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 1:36 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] F30 In-boom reefing
If its the same as mine the line is deadended around the boom, comes down through the block at the end of boom to the front of the boom then down and up through external blocks (one on the sail in my case and several on the mast collar.
Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: Lorman, Alvin J.
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 1:29 PM
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] F30 In-boom reefing

I’m not very imaginative. After you remove the double block, how do you rig it?

Al

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan KusinitzSent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 1:27 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] F30 In-boom reefing
When I took apart my boom and replaced my reefing lines (on my F-33 with isomats) my sailormaker recommended removing the double block. It doesn’ t add any mechanical advantage and does add friction. Its intended to force both ends to come down evenly so I was a little leery. However I removed it and went to the single line and it works quite well. Can’t be sure if this will resolve your issue or if we had the same setup.
Alan F-33 Hull #51 1982

----- Original Message -----
From: ajlorman
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 11:53 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] F30 In-boom reefing
Despite having replaced virtually the entire in-boom reffing system,I continue to have friction that literally prevents the main from going up. I replaced all the exterior blocks with ball-bearing Garhauers. I used the corect size line. I cleaned out the junk in the boom. The one thing I didn’t change was the odd-looking double block that moves forwards and backwards as you raise the main or reef it. That part is available from Rig-Rite, but it didn’t seem to be binding. My thought was, that if it needed changing, I would replace it with two Garhauer blocks attached by their shackles. Has anyone had a similar issue?Many thanks.Al LormanF30 Ab Initio

IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor

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Alan_Kusinitz · September 6, 2005, 5:56pm

Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)

I meant to say deadended around the boom, up through the reef cringle then down through the block at the end of the boom…
Your welcome.
Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: Lorman, Alvin J.
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] F30 In-boom reefing

Thanks, Alan.

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan KusinitzSent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 1:36 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] F30 In-boom reefing
If its the same as mine the line is deadended around the boom, comes down through the block at the end of boom to the front of the boom then down and up through external blocks (one on the sail in my case and several on the mast collar.
Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: Lorman, Alvin J.
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 1:29 PM
Subject: RE: [freedomyachts2003] F30 In-boom reefing

I’m not very imaginative. After you remove the double block, how do you rig it?

Al

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan KusinitzSent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 1:27 PMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] F30 In-boom reefing
When I took apart my boom and replaced my reefing lines (on my F-33 with isomats) my sailormaker recommended removing the double block. It doesn’ t add any mechanical advantage and does add friction. Its intended to force both ends to come down evenly so I was a little leery. However I removed it and went to the single line and it works quite well. Can’t be sure if this will resolve your issue or if we had the same setup.
Alan F-33 Hull #51 1982

----- Original Message -----
From: ajlorman
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 11:53 AM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] F30 In-boom reefing
Despite having replaced virtually the entire in-boom reffing system,I continue to have friction that literally prevents the main from going up. I replaced all the exterior blocks with ball-bearing Garhauers. I used the corect size line. I cleaned out the junk in the boom. The one thing I didn’t change was the odd-looking double block that moves forwards and backwards as you raise the main or reef it. That part is available from Rig-Rite, but it didn’t seem to be binding. My thought was, that if it needed changing, I would replace it with two Garhauer blocks attached by their shackles. Has anyone had a similar issue?Many thanks.Al LormanF30 Ab Initio

IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor

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macks011 · September 7, 2005, 12:02pm

Posted by macks011 (macks04@…>)

If I read you right, you are stowing the sail with the reefing lines
snugged and neat and then hoisting the sail, pulling out the reefing
lines at the same time. Absolutely too much friction no matter what
you do. Leave the reefing lines loose at their fully extended length
and you only hoist the sail, not everything else along with it. With
a liberal application of “Saikote” on the slides and the vang and
main sheet loose, I can manhaul my F36 main to the top with no
sweat. Same goes for shaking out a reef. Before you hoist, pull out
extra reef line at the end of the boom. Eases the hoist enormously.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “ajlorman”
<ajlorman@y…> wrote:

Despite having replaced virtually the entire in-boom reffing
system,
I
continue to have friction that literally prevents the main from
going
up. I replaced all the exterior blocks with ball-bearing
Garhauers.
I
used the corect size line. I cleaned out the junk in the boom.
The
one thing I didn’t change was the odd-looking double block that
moves
forwards and backwards as you raise the main or reef it. That
part is
available from Rig-Rite, but it didn’t seem to be binding. My
thought was, that if it needed changing, I would replace it with
two
Garhauer blocks attached by their shackles. Has anyone had a
similar
issue?

Many thanks.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

Lorman_Alvin_J · September 7, 2005, 12:11pm

Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)

Thanks. I will give it a try. But what surprises me is not that there’s friction when I haul up the main, but that it comes to a complete halt. That sounds like something binding, rather than friction.

Al

-----Original Message-----From: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com [mailto:freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of macks011Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 8:02 AMTo: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: F30 In-boom reefingIf I read you right, you are stowing the sail with the reefing lines snugged and neat and then hoisting the sail, pulling out the reefing lines at the same time. Absolutely too much friction no matter what you do. Leave the reefing lines loose at their fully extended length and you only hoist the sail, not everything else along with it. With a liberal application of “Saikote” on the slides and the vang and main sheet loose, I can manhaul my F36 main to the top with no sweat. Same goes for shaking out a reef. Before you hoist, pull out extra reef line at the end of the boom. Eases the hoist enormously.— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “ajlorman” <ajlorman@y…> wrote:> Despite having replaced virtually the entire in-boom reffing system,> I > continue to have friction that literally prevents the main from going > up. I replaced all the exterior blocks with ball-bearing Garhauers. > I > used the corect size line. I cleaned out the junk in the boom. The > one thing I didn’t change was the odd-looking double block that moves > forwards and backwards as you raise the main or reef it. That part is > available from Rig-Rite, but it didn’t seem to be binding. My > thought was, that if it needed changing, I would replace it with two > Garhauer blocks attached by their shackles. Has anyone had a similar > issue?> > Many thanks.> > Al Lorman> F30 Ab InitioIRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.