F40 re-rig

Posted by muckingabout (muckingabout@…>)

I need to completely re-rig my 1982 Freedom 40 Mk2 Centre Cockpit Cat
Ketch; new main mast, recon the mizzen mast, new sails, lines,
electrics, etc.

Before copying the spec design, I wonder if any group memebers have
any suggestions about improving on the standard layout?

The Nonsuch and Wylie rig systems would seem to be much simpler; are
there any known disadvantages?

Suggestions gratefully received.

Ian Macpherson
London, UK.

Posted by Manrique Feoli (manrique.feoli@…>)

Ian,

There are some people that have changed the Carbon Fiber masts for an
aluminum (mainly because of price),
check the old messages on this forum.
I think Frank Minelli was one of them, he’ll be a good person to ask.

hope this helps good luck

Manrique
Freedom 33
Hull No 19

muckingabout wrote:

I need to completely re-rig my 1982 Freedom 40 Mk2 Centre Cockpit Cat
Ketch; new main mast, recon the mizzen mast, new sails, lines,
electrics, etc.

Before copying the spec design, I wonder if any group memebers have
any suggestions about improving on the standard layout?

The Nonsuch and Wylie rig systems would seem to be much simpler; are
there any known disadvantages?

Suggestions gratefully received.

Ian Macpherson
London, UK.

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Posted by Michel Capel (mike_c_f35ck@…>)

I would definitely opt for a rig like the Wyliecat. These sails are
really powerful!

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “muckingabout”
<muckingabout@y…> wrote:

I need to completely re-rig my 1982 Freedom 40 Mk2 Centre Cockpit Cat
Ketch; new main mast, recon the mizzen mast, new sails, lines,
electrics, etc.

Before copying the spec design, I wonder if any group memebers have
any suggestions about improving on the standard layout?

The Nonsuch and Wylie rig systems would seem to be much simpler; are
there any known disadvantages?

Suggestions gratefully received.

Ian Macpherson
London, UK.

Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)

I’m curious what the difference between the Freedom wishbone design
and a design like the Wylie or Nonsuch is. I never saw my boat with
the original wishbones up close and personal. Someone care to take a
stab?

lance

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Michel Capel”
<mike_c_f35ck@y…> wrote:

I would definitely opt for a rig like the Wyliecat. These sails
are
really powerful!

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “muckingabout”
<muckingabout@y…> wrote:

I need to completely re-rig my 1982 Freedom 40 Mk2 Centre
Cockpit Cat
Ketch; new main mast, recon the mizzen mast, new sails, lines,
electrics, etc.

Before copying the spec design, I wonder if any group memebers
have
any suggestions about improving on the standard layout?

The Nonsuch and Wylie rig systems would seem to be much simpler;
are
there any known disadvantages?

Suggestions gratefully received.

Ian Macpherson
London, UK.

Posted by Ian Macpherson (muckingabout@…>)

Thank you for the replies, and Michel Capel’s
excellent summary of the Nonsuch and Wylie options.
For reasons of practicality in my current
circumstances (two helpful Nonsuchs in the marina) I
am going to take the Nonsuch option.

Next question please is: does anyone know the specs
and dimensions of the main and mizzen carbon masts for
the F40 CC Cat Ketch? I called Freedom, but they
wanted $75 an hour to search the archives and “that’s
no guarantee we can find the answer either.”

As before, your assistance greatly appreciated.

Ian




— lance_ryley <lance_ryley@…> wrote:

I’m curious what the difference between the Freedom
wishbone design
and a design like the Wylie or Nonsuch is. I never saw
my boat with
the original wishbones up close and personal. Someone
care to take a
stab?

lance

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Michel
Capel”
<mike_c_f35ck@y…> wrote:

I would definitely opt for a rig like the Wyliecat.
These sails
are
really powerful!

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“muckingabout”
<muckingabout@y…> wrote:

I need to completely re-rig my 1982 Freedom 40 Mk2
Centre
Cockpit Cat
Ketch; new main mast, recon the mizzen mast, new
sails, lines,
electrics, etc.

Before copying the spec design, I wonder if any
group memebers
have
any suggestions about improving on the standard
layout?

The Nonsuch and Wylie rig systems would seem to be
much simpler;
are
there any known disadvantages?

Suggestions gratefully received.

Ian Macpherson
London, UK.




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Posted by andre laviolette (andrelaviolette@…>)
Ian

Your F 40 has a different righting moment than any of the Nonsuches. You will need the expertise of a yacht designer. I live in Nonsuch country and race on one. I also own a Freedom but keep it in Florida. The carbon mast is so much stiffer, does not whip around like an alloy spar. Nonsuch have seen the light and now use carbon masts. I personaly know, first hand, of 3 Nonsuch dismastings . Two on a 30 and one on an early 33 that now has a carbon mast.
If I were to purcase a F 40 that had an alloy spar I would discount that vessel 20,000 $. Sorry. I hate this reply but felt you should know. Nonsuch masts are very, very, heavy.

Respectfully, Andre.Ian Macpherson <muckingabout@…> wrote:
Thank you for the replies, and Michel Capel’sexcellent summary of the Nonsuch and Wylie options.For reasons of practicality in my currentcircumstances (two helpful Nonsuchs in the marina) Iam going to take the Nonsuch option.Next question please is: does anyone know the specsand dimensions of the main and mizzen carbon masts forthe F40 CC Cat Ketch? I called Freedom, but theywanted $75 an hour to search the archives and “that’sno guarantee we can find the answer either.” As before, your assistance greatly appreciated.Ian— lance_ryley <lance_ryley@…> wrote:---------------------------------I’m curious what the difference between the Freedomwishbone design and a design like the Wylie or Nonsuch is. I never sawmy boat with the original wishbones up close and
personal. Someonecare to take a stab?lance— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “MichelCapel” <mike_c_f35ck@y…> wrote:> > I would definitely opt for a rig like the Wyliecat. These sails are > really powerful!> > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,“muckingabout” > <muckingabout@y…> wrote:> > > > I need to completely re-rig my 1982 Freedom 40 Mk2Centre Cockpit Cat> > Ketch; new main mast, recon the mizzen mast, newsails, lines,> > electrics, etc.> > > > Before copying the spec design, I wonder if anygroup memebers have> > any suggestions about improving on the standardlayout? > > > > The Nonsuch and Wylie rig systems would seem to bemuch simpler; are> > there any known disadvantages?> > > > Suggestions gratefully
received.> > > > Ian Macpherson> > London, UK.---------------------------------Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freedomyachts2003/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:freedomyachts2003-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!Terms of Service.Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals

Posted by Michel Capel (mike_c_f35ck@…>)

Andre,

I agree to your opinion about the disadvantages of alloy masts. I
have an F33/35 catketch with aluminim masts. There are incredibly
heavy, whip around, aren’t very stiff, but man, are they cheap!
(anyway, compared to CF masts). Another advantage of alloy is the
fact that you can bolt or rivet stuff against the masts without
trouble with electrolytic corrosion.

Futhermore: I only read accounts here and elsewhere about breakage of
carbon fibre masts, never heard of an alloy mast breaking until your
account of the Nonsuch problems.
regards,
Michel

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, andre laviolette
<andrelaviolette@y…> wrote:

Ian

Your F 40 has a different righting moment than any of the
Nonsuches. You will need the expertise of a yacht designer. I live in
Nonsuch country and race on one. I also own a Freedom but keep it in
Florida. The carbon mast is so much stiffer, does not whip around
like an alloy spar. Nonsuch have seen the light and now use carbon
masts. I personaly know, first hand, of 3 Nonsuch dismastings . Two
on a 30 and one on an early 33 that now has a carbon mast.
If I were to purcase a F 40 that had an alloy spar I would
discount that vessel 20,000 $. Sorry. I hate this reply but felt you
should know. Nonsuch masts are very, very, heavy.

Respectfully, Andre.

Ian Macpherson <muckingabout@y…> wrote:
Thank you for the replies, and Michel Capel’s
excellent summary of the Nonsuch and Wylie options.
For reasons of practicality in my current
circumstances (two helpful Nonsuchs in the marina) I
am going to take the Nonsuch option.

Next question please is: does anyone know the specs
and dimensions of the main and mizzen carbon masts for
the F40 CC Cat Ketch? I called Freedom, but they
wanted $75 an hour to search the archives and “that’s
no guarantee we can find the answer either.”

As before, your assistance greatly appreciated.

Ian

— lance_ryley <lance_ryley@y…> wrote:

I’m curious what the difference between the Freedom
wishbone design
and a design like the Wylie or Nonsuch is. I never saw
my boat with
the original wishbones up close and personal. Someone
care to take a
stab?

lance

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Michel
Capel”
<mike_c_f35ck@y…> wrote:

I would definitely opt for a rig like the Wyliecat.
These sails
are
really powerful!

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“muckingabout”
<muckingabout@y…> wrote:

I need to completely re-rig my 1982 Freedom 40 Mk2
Centre
Cockpit Cat
Ketch; new main mast, recon the mizzen mast, new
sails, lines,
electrics, etc.

Before copying the spec design, I wonder if any
group memebers
have
any suggestions about improving on the standard
layout?

The Nonsuch and Wylie rig systems would seem to be
much simpler;
are
there any known disadvantages?

Suggestions gratefully received.

Ian Macpherson
London, UK.


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Posted by Ian Macpherson (muckingabout@…>)

Andre and Michel (and everyone else)

Forgive me for not making myself clear; I intend to
replace the carbon masts with carbon masts, and the
request was for their dimensions. It is only the
Nonsuch wishbone/choking/lazyjack system I am using,
not the whole rig.

Can anyne help with the F40 masts dimensions/specs
please?

Regards

Ian




— Michel Capel <mike_c_f35ck@…> wrote:

Andre,

I agree to your opinion about the disadvantages of
alloy masts. I
have an F33/35 catketch with aluminim masts. There are
incredibly
heavy, whip around, aren’t very stiff, but man, are
they cheap!
(anyway, compared to CF masts). Another advantage of
alloy is the
fact that you can bolt or rivet stuff against the
masts without
trouble with electrolytic corrosion.

Futhermore: I only read accounts here and elsewhere
about breakage of
carbon fibre masts, never heard of an alloy mast
breaking until your
account of the Nonsuch problems.
regards,
Michel

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, andre
laviolette
<andrelaviolette@y…> wrote:

Ian

Your F 40 has a different righting moment than any
of the
Nonsuches. You will need the expertise of a yacht
designer. I live in
Nonsuch country and race on one. I also own a Freedom
but keep it in
Florida. The carbon mast is so much stiffer, does not
whip around
like an alloy spar. Nonsuch have seen the light and
now use carbon
masts. I personaly know, first hand, of 3 Nonsuch
dismastings . Two
on a 30 and one on an early 33 that now has a carbon
mast.
If I were to purcase a F 40 that had an alloy spar
I would
discount that vessel 20,000 $. Sorry. I hate this
reply but felt you
should know. Nonsuch masts are very, very, heavy.

Respectfully, Andre.

Ian Macpherson <muckingabout@y…> wrote:
Thank you for the replies, and Michel Capel’s
excellent summary of the Nonsuch and Wylie options.
For reasons of practicality in my current
circumstances (two helpful Nonsuchs in the marina) I
am going to take the Nonsuch option.

Next question please is: does anyone know the specs
and dimensions of the main and mizzen carbon masts
for
the F40 CC Cat Ketch? I called Freedom, but they
wanted $75 an hour to search the archives and
“that’s
no guarantee we can find the answer either.”

As before, your assistance greatly appreciated.

Ian

— lance_ryley <lance_ryley@y…> wrote:

I’m curious what the difference between the Freedom
wishbone design
and a design like the Wylie or Nonsuch is. I never
saw
my boat with
the original wishbones up close and personal.
Someone
care to take a
stab?

lance

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Michel
Capel”
<mike_c_f35ck@y…> wrote:

I would definitely opt for a rig like the
Wyliecat.
These sails
are
really powerful!

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“muckingabout”
<muckingabout@y…> wrote:

I need to completely re-rig my 1982 Freedom 40
Mk2
Centre
Cockpit Cat
Ketch; new main mast, recon the mizzen mast, new
sails, lines,
electrics, etc.

Before copying the spec design, I wonder if any
group memebers
have
any suggestions about improving on the standard
layout?

The Nonsuch and Wylie rig systems would seem to
be
much simpler;
are
there any known disadvantages?

Suggestions gratefully received.

Ian Macpherson
London, UK.


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Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)

Ian,
I think I have sailplan information for the F40 CK, and it may have
mast dimensions. I’ll check tonight when I get home.

lance

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Ian Macpherson
<muckingabout@y…> wrote:

Andre and Michel (and everyone else)

Forgive me for not making myself clear; I intend to
replace the carbon masts with carbon masts, and the
request was for their dimensions. It is only the
Nonsuch wishbone/choking/lazyjack system I am using,
not the whole rig.

Can anyne help with the F40 masts dimensions/specs
please?

Regards

Ian

— Michel Capel <mike_c_f35ck@y…> wrote:

Andre,

I agree to your opinion about the disadvantages of
alloy masts. I
have an F33/35 catketch with aluminim masts. There are
incredibly
heavy, whip around, aren’t very stiff, but man, are
they cheap!
(anyway, compared to CF masts). Another advantage of
alloy is the
fact that you can bolt or rivet stuff against the
masts without
trouble with electrolytic corrosion.

Futhermore: I only read accounts here and elsewhere
about breakage of
carbon fibre masts, never heard of an alloy mast
breaking until your
account of the Nonsuch problems.
regards,
Michel

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, andre
laviolette
<andrelaviolette@y…> wrote:

Ian

Your F 40 has a different righting moment than any
of the
Nonsuches. You will need the expertise of a yacht
designer. I live in
Nonsuch country and race on one. I also own a Freedom
but keep it in
Florida. The carbon mast is so much stiffer, does not
whip around
like an alloy spar. Nonsuch have seen the light and
now use carbon
masts. I personaly know, first hand, of 3 Nonsuch
dismastings . Two
on a 30 and one on an early 33 that now has a carbon
mast.
If I were to purcase a F 40 that had an alloy spar
I would
discount that vessel 20,000 $. Sorry. I hate this
reply but felt you
should know. Nonsuch masts are very, very, heavy.

Respectfully, Andre.

Ian Macpherson <muckingabout@y…> wrote:
Thank you for the replies, and Michel Capel’s
excellent summary of the Nonsuch and Wylie options.
For reasons of practicality in my current
circumstances (two helpful Nonsuchs in the marina) I
am going to take the Nonsuch option.

Next question please is: does anyone know the specs
and dimensions of the main and mizzen carbon masts
for
the F40 CC Cat Ketch? I called Freedom, but they
wanted $75 an hour to search the archives and
“that’s
no guarantee we can find the answer either.”

As before, your assistance greatly appreciated.

Ian

— lance_ryley <lance_ryley@y…> wrote:

I’m curious what the difference between the Freedom
wishbone design
and a design like the Wylie or Nonsuch is. I never
saw
my boat with
the original wishbones up close and personal.
Someone
care to take a
stab?

lance

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Michel
Capel”
<mike_c_f35ck@y…> wrote:

I would definitely opt for a rig like the
Wyliecat.
These sails
are
really powerful!

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“muckingabout”
<muckingabout@y…> wrote:

I need to completely re-rig my 1982 Freedom 40
Mk2
Centre
Cockpit Cat
Ketch; new main mast, recon the mizzen mast, new
sails, lines,
electrics, etc.

Before copying the spec design, I wonder if any
group memebers
have
any suggestions about improving on the standard
layout?

The Nonsuch and Wylie rig systems would seem to
be
much simpler;
are
there any known disadvantages?

Suggestions gratefully received.

Ian Macpherson
London, UK.


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Posted by Michel Capel (mike_c_f35ck@…>)

What I know is that the F40 masts are of equal length and 52’ long.
No idea about other dimensions.
hope this helps a bit.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Ian Macpherson
<muckingabout@y…> wrote:

Andre and Michel (and everyone else)

Forgive me for not making myself clear; I intend to
replace the carbon masts with carbon masts, and the
request was for their dimensions. It is only the
Nonsuch wishbone/choking/lazyjack system I am using,
not the whole rig.

Can anyne help with the F40 masts dimensions/specs
please?

Regards

Ian

— Michel Capel <mike_c_f35ck@y…> wrote:

Andre,

I agree to your opinion about the disadvantages of
alloy masts. I
have an F33/35 catketch with aluminim masts. There are
incredibly
heavy, whip around, aren’t very stiff, but man, are
they cheap!
(anyway, compared to CF masts). Another advantage of
alloy is the
fact that you can bolt or rivet stuff against the
masts without
trouble with electrolytic corrosion.

Futhermore: I only read accounts here and elsewhere
about breakage of
carbon fibre masts, never heard of an alloy mast
breaking until your
account of the Nonsuch problems.
regards,
Michel

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, andre
laviolette
<andrelaviolette@y…> wrote:

Ian

Your F 40 has a different righting moment than any
of the
Nonsuches. You will need the expertise of a yacht
designer. I live in
Nonsuch country and race on one. I also own a Freedom
but keep it in
Florida. The carbon mast is so much stiffer, does not
whip around
like an alloy spar. Nonsuch have seen the light and
now use carbon
masts. I personaly know, first hand, of 3 Nonsuch
dismastings . Two
on a 30 and one on an early 33 that now has a carbon
mast.
If I were to purcase a F 40 that had an alloy spar
I would
discount that vessel 20,000 $. Sorry. I hate this
reply but felt you
should know. Nonsuch masts are very, very, heavy.

Respectfully, Andre.

Ian Macpherson <muckingabout@y…> wrote:
Thank you for the replies, and Michel Capel’s
excellent summary of the Nonsuch and Wylie options.
For reasons of practicality in my current
circumstances (two helpful Nonsuchs in the marina) I
am going to take the Nonsuch option.

Next question please is: does anyone know the specs
and dimensions of the main and mizzen carbon masts
for
the F40 CC Cat Ketch? I called Freedom, but they
wanted $75 an hour to search the archives and
“that’s
no guarantee we can find the answer either.”

As before, your assistance greatly appreciated.

Ian

— lance_ryley <lance_ryley@y…> wrote:

I’m curious what the difference between the Freedom
wishbone design
and a design like the Wylie or Nonsuch is. I never
saw
my boat with
the original wishbones up close and personal.
Someone
care to take a
stab?

lance

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Michel
Capel”
<mike_c_f35ck@y…> wrote:

I would definitely opt for a rig like the
Wyliecat.
These sails
are
really powerful!

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com,
“muckingabout”
<muckingabout@y…> wrote:

I need to completely re-rig my 1982 Freedom 40
Mk2
Centre
Cockpit Cat
Ketch; new main mast, recon the mizzen mast, new
sails, lines,
electrics, etc.

Before copying the spec design, I wonder if any
group memebers
have
any suggestions about improving on the standard
layout?

The Nonsuch and Wylie rig systems would seem to
be
much simpler;
are
there any known disadvantages?

Suggestions gratefully received.

Ian Macpherson
London, UK.


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