Posted by davisjonathan1946 (jon@…>)
Lance I was very interested to read your response to F33 Dreamin,As I
had always asummed that the centre board boats having a six foot
draught with the board down and the board having an aero foil shape
would give more lift to windward than the long keel shallow fixed keel
boats. Perhaps I have been wrong when looking to purchase a f33 in the
USA I have tended to dismiss the shallow keel boats of which there
seems to be a majority have only come across one deep fin boat.Did Jay
e Paris design the hull I had thought it to be a Gary Hoyt design or
did Hoyt design the sail configuration.I have met and spoken with Mark
Edwards recently and he told me the centre board version was not
popular in the USA due to dividing up the accomodation I guess they
also cost more to build .I believe some boats were most likely
supplied new with conventional booms as the wish bone rig was
considered a bit quirky .What would you consider the ideal set up for
a f33 would appreciate your replies Jon davis
Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)
the foil shape of the centerboard is pretty negligible compared to
the shape you can give a fin or winged keel. On the Pearson Wanderer
and Dolphin I used to race on, (the wanderer’s centerboard is more
like a Freedom’s, whereas the Dolphin had an unshaped bronze plate)
they definitely enhanced upwind sailing by providing more purchase
and less side-slip. On a Freedom (40, anyway), you hardly ever are
trying - or should be trying - to sail close-hauled, so I’m not sure
how much the centerboard helps for this in reality. I mean, I’m sure
it does, but this season I’m going to learn how to sail this boat.
33 owners will have to speak to the interior layout - on the 40, the
centerboard trunk is entirely below the floorboards, just like the
wanderer.
lance
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “davisjonathan1946”
<jon@j…> wrote:
Lance I was very interested to read your response to F33
Dreamin,As I
had always asummed that the centre board boats having a six foot
draught with the board down and the board having an aero foil
shape
would give more lift to windward than the long keel shallow fixed
keel
boats. Perhaps I have been wrong when looking to purchase a f33 in
the
USA I have tended to dismiss the shallow keel boats of which there
seems to be a majority have only come across one deep fin boat.Did
Jay
e Paris design the hull I had thought it to be a Gary Hoyt design
or
did Hoyt design the sail configuration.I have met and spoken with
Mark
Edwards recently and he told me the centre board version was not
popular in the USA due to dividing up the accomodation I guess
they
also cost more to build .I believe some boats were most likely
supplied new with conventional booms as the wish bone rig was
considered a bit quirky .What would you consider the ideal set up
for
a f33 would appreciate your replies Jon davis
Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)
Jay E. Paris Designed the original centerboard version but was not involved in the fixed keel designs. I spoke with him a few weeks ago and posted his comments on the message board.
My F-33 is the fixed draft shoal. I would have gone for any of the three models based on condition and would have gone for either rig but most I saw were converted as is mine.
Its not a close winded boat but I consider it quite fast even surprising in light air compared to most cruisers.
Alan
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From: davisjonathan1946
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 2:49 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Fixed keel vs keel/centre board
Lance I was very interested to read your response to F33 Dreamin,As I had always asummed that the centre board boats having a six foot draught with the board down and the board having an aero foil shape would give more lift to windward than the long keel shallow fixed keel boats. Perhaps I have been wrong when looking to purchase a f33 in the USA I have tended to dismiss the shallow keel boats of which there seems to be a majority have only come across one deep fin boat.Did Jay e Paris design the hull I had thought it to be a Gary Hoyt design or did Hoyt design the sail configuration.I have met and spoken with Mark Edwards recently and he told me the centre board version was not popular in the USA due to dividing up the accomodation I guess they also cost more to build .I believe some boats were most likely supplied new with conventional booms as the wish bone rig was considered a bit quirky .What would you consider the ideal set up for a f33 would appreciate your replies Jon davis
Posted by Michel Capel (mike_c_f35ck@…>)
Jon,
The hull and board configuration of an F33 is entirely different from
the F40. The F40 is basically a long keeler with a rectangular board
extending below the keel. The F33 has a much shallower hull (only
3’4") with a huge foil shaped board more than doubling the draft to
7’6"). An F33 CB cannot be sailed upwind without the board down. The
F33 CB is definitely better in going upwind than the long keel
version without CB. A fixed keel version would probably be best
going upwind, although I never saw such a hull.
Regards,
Mike
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “davisjonathan1946”
<jon@j…> wrote:
Lance I was very interested to read your response to F33 Dreamin,As
I
had always asummed that the centre board boats having a six foot
draught with the board down and the board having an aero foil shape
would give more lift to windward than the long keel shallow fixed
keel
boats. Perhaps I have been wrong when looking to purchase a f33 in
the
USA I have tended to dismiss the shallow keel boats of which there
seems to be a majority have only come across one deep fin boat.Did
Jay
e Paris design the hull I had thought it to be a Gary Hoyt design
or
did Hoyt design the sail configuration.I have met and spoken with
Mark
Edwards recently and he told me the centre board version was not
popular in the USA due to dividing up the accomodation I guess they
also cost more to build .I believe some boats were most likely
supplied new with conventional booms as the wish bone rig was
considered a bit quirky .What would you consider the ideal set up
for
a f33 would appreciate your replies Jon davis