for those of you interested in using the electric drill to hoist the sails....

Dave_Benjamin · May 23, 2006, 12:18am

Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)

I don’t have first hand experience with this product so I can’t say how
well it works or doesn’t. I just know we seem to have discussion about
using electric drills periodically.

bartjanney1 · May 31, 2006, 7:29pm

Posted by bartjanney (bartjanney@…>)

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@…> wrote:

http://thecranker.com/

I don’t have first hand experience with this product so I can’t say
how
well it works or doesn’t. I just know we seem to have discussion
about
using electric drills periodically.
I bought one last summer for my 38 after realizing that hoisting by
hand could be a widow-maker. Along with the Milwaukee right angle high
torque drill it works famously. I get three or four hoists per charge
on the 18 volt battery. Milwaukee now has the same drill in 24 volts
which apparently doubles the torque. Also, this year I have found
another product called the “winch-bit” that has a hex shape and seems
to fit the winch more snugly.

Ed_Grey · May 31, 2006, 7:54pm

Posted by Ed Grey (ewlon3@…>)

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Posted by Jim Demeest on March 13, 2002 at 20:28:15:

In Reply to: MAIN SAIL SLIDE SYSTEMS posted by TOM LIRA on March 10, 2002 at
21:05:02:

Installed Batt Slides on my F38 several years ago and coat the track and slides
with sailcote each year. I can raise the main all the way to the truck from the
mast
with my wife tailing from the helm. Only need to tension the luff with the
winch. Also, use a heavy-duty right angle drill with a custom fitting to raise
the main when
single-handing. The drill is powered off of the inverter.
Next year I’m going to composite sails and battens to reduce the weight and
increase the performance.

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Jim Demeest mentioned using a right angle electric drill to raise the sails.
Assume it is a 1/2 inch, but want to know more about the specifics, especially
the bit. All
information and ideas welcome. Thanks.

I am using a Sears cordless 24V. I can two raisings on a single charge. the
drill came with two batteries and has a torque setting which is a good thing so
you don’t
break your wrist.

In Reply to: Electric Drill as power winch handle posted by Steve Lapham on
March 22, 2002 at 13:25:21:

Sears Craftsman makes a tool that is a 1/2" square, 5" or 6" long socket
extension that has a 1/2" male socket fitting on one end and a blank, necked
down shaft with
3 flat spots spaced around on the other end. It looks something like an
extremely large pin punch. It’s made to allow you to use standard 1/2" sockets
in a regular drill
chuck. Get it and a 1/2" to 3/4" socket adapter (1/2" female to 3/4" male) for
the socket end of the extension and you’re all set for some winches. If not,
somehow fix
a short, square piece of 7/8"(? 15/16"?, one of those) steel into an appropriate
socket. A friend found the perfect combination of steel size and socket that,
once
sledge hammered together, could never be gotten apart.

With this setup in a 110 volt right angle drill, my 210 lbs went zipping up and
down a 65’ Beneteau mast 4 times one day installing a roller furler.

I got the Dewalt 18 volt non-right angle drill,and made an adapter myself. I
opted for the regular drill as it is practical for other tasks as well,and has a
big enuf pistol
grip to hold on to.Godawful torque,and a dandy drill/driver to boot.I made
adapters of aluminum and bronze(old shafting).BTW,put a lanyard on the drill,and
tie the
bitter end down.

Steve, Try the Milwaukee 18 volt right-angle cordless drill, Catalog No.
1109-20. I had a local machinist cut a 1/2" shank eight sided bit to replicate
the bit end of
normal winch bits. I have read that others used a four sided bit but I went the
extra bucks ($40.00 for the bit I baught) for a better grip. I will be using the
tool after
spring launching and will report on my investment. However it works, it is a lot
cheeper than powered winches and the electric powered hand winch. I purchased it
over the net for less than the locat discount stores. Good luck and happy
sailing. Phil

Phil, the 1109-20 is the unit without the battery and charger. The complete
drill kit is Milwaukee #3109-24 and it is available for $298.95 from
www.fantastictools.com . As for the bit, I cut the head off of an old winch
handle, machined the cut end smooth and had a 1/2" hex shank tapped and pinned
to the
head, $45.00 at the local machine shop.

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Lorman_Alvin_J · May 31, 2006, 8:02pm

Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)

Some years ago, when I was looking at Nonsuch 30s and before electric winches became common (if expensive), I saw an N30 which had a horizontal anchor windlass installed at the base of the mast to serve as an electric halyard winch. Even the least expensive anchor windlass seems to have the necessary torque to raise a main. It is more expensive than a portable drill but a lot less expensive than an electric winch.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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george_herchenroeth1 · May 31, 2006, 8:57pm

Posted by george herchenroether (g.herk@…>)

We formerly owned two nonsuch. The 30 had a horizontal anchor winch mounted at the cockpit for the main halyard…burned out and caused a small fire. It was properly installed.

On 5/31/06 4:02 PM, “Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:

Some years ago, when I was looking at Nonsuch 30s and before electric winches became common (if expensive), I saw an N30 which had a horizontal anchor windlass installed at the base of the mast to serve as an electric halyard winch. Even the least expensive anchor windlass seems to have the necessary torque to raise a main. It is more expensive than a portable drill but a lot less expensive than an electric winch.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@…> wrote:

http://thecranker.com/

I don’t have first hand experience with this product so I can’t say
how
well it works or doesn’t. I just know we seem to have discussion
about
using electric drills periodically.
I bought one last summer for my 38 after realizing that hoisting by
hand could be a widow-maker. Along with the Milwaukee right angle high
torque drill it works famously. I get three or four hoists per charge
on the 18 volt battery. Milwaukee now has the same drill in 24 volts
which apparently doubles the torque. Also, this year I have found
another product called the “winch-bit” that has a hex shape and seems
to fit the winch more snugly.

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for those of you interested in using the electric drill to hoist the sails....

Jim Demeest mentioned using a right angle electric drill to raise the sails. Assume it is a 1/2 inch, but want to know more about the specifics, especially the bit. All information and ideas welcome. Thanks.

Jim Demeest mentioned using a right angle electric drill to raise the sails.
Assume it is a 1/2 inch, but want to know more about the specifics, especially
the bit. All
information and ideas welcome. Thanks.