Posted by rickpowers55 (rpowers55@…>)
Hi folks and greetings from Texas, I recently purchased a Freedom
21 and am doing some repairs before putting her back in the water.
Would like to ask your help on a few projects.
1 The track on the mast is loose at the bottom. Looks like it was
attatched by stainless steel screw. Was thinking of going back with
rivets…suggestions.
2 Mast collar and rotation of mast. The previous owner had the
mast fastened at the bottom of the boat with screws to stop mast
rotation. While it probably worked it is a pain in the a… when
taking the mast down. From what I have read the plastic, urethane,
whatever, collar is supposed to squeeze the mast with sufficient
pressure to prevent mast rotation. Info on another site showed
bolts with washers placed thru the deck to press the collar in the
hole and thus press in on the mast. Are other boats done like
that? Should I drill the holes and put the bolts in?
3 My boat came with no cap to go around the mast and act as a
weather protector for the collar and hole for the mast. Any ideas
on a replacement?
4 Was thinking of adding an additional halyard for a jib in
addition to the spin halyard that is already on the mast. Are there
any concerns with putting another hole in the mast with a sheeve to
add this halyard?? Worries with structural integrity of the mast?
Well I think that is it for now. As to the other projects…well
we are sanding her bottom and gettin it smooth for all the light air
we have in Texas as well as replacing the windows in her as well.
Appreciate all the help this site is to this lowly sailor and
appreciate any help yall can give me in working on this fine boat.
Thanks
Rick
Posted by Charles Arasim (crarasim@…>)
Ahoy Rick,
I’ve had my 21 for a little over 2 years now and physically seen 2 others.
- Go with the original type rivets. they need to be flush so the mainsail
cars don’t jamb,
- As to mast rotation, all 3 I’ve seen have a 1/4" hole just to the
Starboard Aft side in the mast foot and a corresponding hole in the mast.
When I got my hull it just had a rusty old bolt to insert in the hole, so I
made a nice brass pin, with a 90* bend in it so I can get a good hold on it
to pull it out (I dry sail and take my mast up and down all the time). At
the deck I just have the 3 bolts with flat washers above and below the
deck. I think the only thing they do is keep the mast from banging around
the deck through hole.
- As to a weather boot (I’ve been thinking about that when the time comes)
maybe a plumbing fitting (rubber reducer/coupling of proper diameter would
work. You may have to look to a supplier for water works for one large
enough. I’ve looked at these at places like Home Depot, but I haven’t seen
one large enough. Give your city water department a call and see if you
can get a company name that might have something about the right size (let
me know what you can find and I’ll do the same). The other thing you could
do is to cut one from a tire inner tube or look at the rubber they sell for
pond liners. I can measure my original boot and give you the numbers if
you like…
- I’ve been looking at this also. The problem is that the Jib tacks on
the spinnaker pole sleeve in front of the spinnaker. I’ve been thinking of
making a tempoary tack point (bridle) for the Jib aft of the snuffing bag
and seeing how much that hurts my pointing ability, just haven’t tried it
yet. As far as putting another hole in the mast goes, I thought I would
avoid that if I could and use the existing holes and fashion a stainless
bracket with a double sheave outside the mast, need to look at the the
angles to figure how to do it. I think Dweyer Green did this, only I don’t
know if/how he got around the tack problem. Can’t find that website at the
moment, but if you put a call out on the group for it someone will have
it…
Enjoy
Charlie Arasim
WindRush F21CatDK #104
Rio Rancho, NM
Posted by S Wesson (sailsoul@…>)
Riki, You just cant beat that little rubberish wedgie for holding the
mast tight and in it’s proper place. Hope we never lose ours. Are these
still available? Also makes de-commissioning much easier we would
think.
Sounds like the perfect place to use SPAR-TITE? Worked great on our
J-24s. Anyone used that for this application?
Whatever is right, is…
S Wesson
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On Jul 11, 2005, at 21:48, Charles Arasim wrote:
Ahoy Rick,
I’ve had my 21 for a little over 2 years now and physically seen 2
others.
- Go with the original type rivets. they need to be flush so the
mainsail
cars don’t jamb,
- As to mast rotation, all 3 I’ve seen have a 1/4" hole just to the
Starboard Aft side in the mast foot and a corresponding hole in the
mast.
When I got my hull it just had a rusty old bolt to insert in the
hole, so I
made a nice brass pin, with a 90* bend in it so I can get a good hold
on it
to pull it out (I dry sail and take my mast up and down all the
time). At
the deck I just have the 3 bolts with flat washers above and below the
deck. I think the only thing they do is keep the mast from banging
around
the deck through hole.
- As to a weather boot (I’ve been thinking about that when the time
comes)
maybe a plumbing fitting (rubber reducer/coupling of proper diameter
would
work. You may have to look to a supplier for water works for one
large
enough. I’ve looked at these at places like Home Depot, but I
haven’t seen
one large enough. Give your city water department a call and see if
you
can get a company name that might have something about the right size
(let
me know what you can find and I’ll do the same). The other thing you
could
do is to cut one from a tire inner tube or look at the rubber they
sell for
pond liners. I can measure my original boot and give you the numbers
if
you like…
- I’ve been looking at this also. The problem is that the Jib tacks
on
the spinnaker pole sleeve in front of the spinnaker. I’ve been
thinking of
making a tempoary tack point (bridle) for the Jib aft of the snuffing
bag
and seeing how much that hurts my pointing ability, just haven’t
tried it
yet. As far as putting another hole in the mast goes, I thought I
would
avoid that if I could and use the existing holes and fashion a
stainless
bracket with a double sheave outside the mast, need to look at the the
angles to figure how to do it. I think Dweyer Green did this, only I
don’t
know if/how he got around the tack problem. Can’t find that website
at the
moment, but if you put a call out on the group for it someone will
have
it…
Enjoy
Charlie Arasim
WindRush F21CatDK #104
Rio Rancho, NM
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Posted by Charlie L. (clivaday@…>)
Rick. Do not let the mast rotate, and do not rely on the wedge(s) at
deck level to prevent rotation. Use whatever device the previous
owner used at the bottom area of the mast to prevent rotation, or
improve the setup based upon info from other F21 owners. Use monel
rivets on the track if at all possible. The boat has no stays, so
tie a knot in the mainsheet at the appropriate spot, to prevent the
boom from going forward of the mast (and tearing out your gooseneck
and lower track rivets).I’ve forgotten whether or not the lazy jacks
attach to the mast above the jib/spinnaker halyard sheave. If they
attach above, you might try to use the strap and holes already there
to attach a new halyard block. Best not to drill new holes in the
carbon mast, although many do it. Good luck. Charlie
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “rickpowers55”
<rpowers55@e…> wrote:
Hi folks and greetings from Texas, I recently purchased a Freedom
21 and am doing some repairs before putting her back in the
water.
Would like to ask your help on a few projects.
1 The track on the mast is loose at the bottom. Looks like it
was
attatched by stainless steel screw. Was thinking of going back
with
rivets…suggestions.
2 Mast collar and rotation of mast. The previous owner had the
mast fastened at the bottom of the boat with screws to stop mast
rotation. While it probably worked it is a pain in the a… when
taking the mast down. From what I have read the plastic,
urethane,
whatever, collar is supposed to squeeze the mast with sufficient
pressure to prevent mast rotation. Info on another site showed
bolts with washers placed thru the deck to press the collar in the
hole and thus press in on the mast. Are other boats done like
that? Should I drill the holes and put the bolts in?
3 My boat came with no cap to go around the mast and act as a
weather protector for the collar and hole for the mast. Any ideas
on a replacement?
4 Was thinking of adding an additional halyard for a jib in
addition to the spin halyard that is already on the mast. Are
there
any concerns with putting another hole in the mast with a sheeve
to
add this halyard?? Worries with structural integrity of the mast?
Well I think that is it for now. As to the other projects…well
we are sanding her bottom and gettin it smooth for all the light
air
we have in Texas as well as replacing the windows in her as well.
Appreciate all the help this site is to this lowly sailor and
appreciate any help yall can give me in working on this fine boat.
Thanks
Rick
Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)
Freedom had a lot of the polyurethane wedge material available at
their yard sale. I doubt they sold it all, unless they sold
everything at the end as a lot…
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, S Wesson <sailsoul@v…>
wrote:
Riki, You just cant beat that little rubberish wedgie for holding
the
mast tight and in it’s proper place. Hope we never lose ours. Are
these
still available? Also makes de-commissioning much easier we would
think.
Sounds like the perfect place to use SPAR-TITE? Worked great on
our
J-24s. Anyone used that for this application?
Whatever is right, is…
S Wesson
On Jul 11, 2005, at 21:48, Charles Arasim wrote:
Ahoy Rick,
I’ve had my 21 for a little over 2 years now and physically
seen 2
others.
- Go with the original type rivets. they need to be flush so
the
mainsail
cars don’t jamb,
- As to mast rotation, all 3 I’ve seen have a 1/4" hole just
to the
Starboard Aft side in the mast foot and a corresponding hole in
the
mast.
When I got my hull it just had a rusty old bolt to insert in
the
hole, so I
made a nice brass pin, with a 90* bend in it so I can get a
good hold
on it
to pull it out (I dry sail and take my mast up and down all the
time). At
the deck I just have the 3 bolts with flat washers above and
below the
deck. I think the only thing they do is keep the mast from
banging
around
the deck through hole.
- As to a weather boot (I’ve been thinking about that when the
time
comes)
maybe a plumbing fitting (rubber reducer/coupling of proper
diameter
would
work. You may have to look to a supplier for water works for
one
large
enough. I’ve looked at these at places like Home Depot, but I
haven’t seen
one large enough. Give your city water department a call and
see if
you
can get a company name that might have something about the
right size
(let
me know what you can find and I’ll do the same). The other
thing you
could
do is to cut one from a tire inner tube or look at the rubber
they
sell for
pond liners. I can measure my original boot and give you the
numbers
if
you like…
- I’ve been looking at this also. The problem is that the
Jib tacks
on
the spinnaker pole sleeve in front of the spinnaker. I’ve
been
thinking of
making a tempoary tack point (bridle) for the Jib aft of the
snuffing
bag
and seeing how much that hurts my pointing ability, just
haven’t
tried it
yet. As far as putting another hole in the mast goes, I
thought I
would
avoid that if I could and use the existing holes and fashion a
stainless
bracket with a double sheave outside the mast, need to look at
the the
angles to figure how to do it. I think Dweyer Green did this,
only I
don’t
know if/how he got around the tack problem. Can’t find that
website
at the
moment, but if you put a call out on the group for it someone
will
have
it…
Enjoy
Charlie Arasim
WindRush F21CatDK #104
Rio Rancho, NM
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Posted by Alan Kusinitz (akusinitz@…>)
I’ve used spartite on my F-33 and it works well.
----- Original Message -----
From: S Wesson
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [freedomyachts2003] Freedom 21 Questions
Riki, You just cant beat that little rubberish wedgie for holding the mast tight and in it’s proper place. Hope we never lose ours. Are these still available? Also makes de-commissioning much easier we would think. Sounds like the perfect place to use SPAR-TITE? Worked great on our J-24s. Anyone used that for this application?Whatever is right, is…S Wesson
On Jul 11, 2005, at 21:48, Charles Arasim wrote:
Ahoy Rick,I’ve had my 21 for a little over 2 years now and physically seen 2 others.1. Go with the original type rivets. they need to be flush so the mainsailcars don’t jamb,2. As to mast rotation, all 3 I’ve seen have a 1/4" hole just to theStarboard Aft side in the mast foot and a corresponding hole in the mast.When I got my hull it just had a rusty old bolt to insert in the hole, so Imade a nice brass pin, with a 90* bend in it so I can get a good hold on itto pull it out (I dry sail and take my mast up and down all the time). Atthe deck I just have the 3 bolts with flat washers above and below thedeck. I think the only thing they do is keep the mast from banging aroundthe deck through hole.3. As to a weather boot (I’ve been thinking about that when the time comes)maybe a plumbing fitting (rubber reducer/coupling of proper diameter wouldwork. You may have to look to a supplier for water works for one largeenough. I’ve looked at these at places like Home Depot, but I haven’t seenone large enough. Give your city water department a call and see if youcan get a company name that might have something about the right size (letme know what you can find and I’ll do the same). The other thing you coulddo is to cut one from a tire inner tube or look at the rubber they sell forpond liners. I can measure my original boot and give you the numbers ifyou like…4. I’ve been looking at this also. The problem is that the Jib tacks onthe spinnaker pole sleeve in front of the spinnaker. I’ve been thinking ofmaking a tempoary tack point (bridle) for the Jib aft of the snuffing bagand seeing how much that hurts my pointing ability, just haven’t tried ityet. As far as putting another hole in the mast goes, I thought I wouldavoid that if I could and use the existing holes and fashion a stainlessbracket with a double sheave outside the mast, need to look at the theangles to figure how to do it. I think Dweyer Green did this, only I don’tknow if/how he got around the tack problem. Can’t find that website at themoment, but if you put a call out on the group for it someone will haveit…EnjoyCharlie ArasimWindRush F21CatDK #104Rio Rancho, NMYAHOO! GROUPS LINKS â–ª  Visit your group “freedomyachts2003” on the web. ▪  To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: freedomyachts2003-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ▪  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.