Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)
Hey all -
there’s an F25 at the marina for the winter. It’s the model with the
fixed mast. I was reading the manual for the model with the rotating
mast and Garry is pretty explicit about using running backs when flying
the chute. It didn’t appear that this fixed-mast 25 had running
backs… anyone care to share an opinion on why/why not?
These 25s have really nice lines. If there’s anyone in the Boston area
that’d like to show me around theirs, I’d love to meet up.
Thanks,
Lance
Posted by andre laviolette (andrelaviolette@…>)
Lance, “Scaramanga” is a round mast F25. You can find pics in photosection here. The wing masts when rotated have a very narrow athwartships section. This has led to a few failures when runners were improperly used, particularly with shute up in stronger winds. I assume this is a major reason why the factory switched to round masts in 1984. Price is perhaps another. This rig is just simpler to manufacture. To compensate for loss of performance Freedom added one foot to hight of mast and one foot to boom length. PHRF still rates wing mast at ~6secs per mile faster. Both versions sail particularly well, not being very different ( a little heavier ) in hull shape to a J 24. Not as close winded as a J but always moving well even in light air to the astonishment of my experienced sailing friends. Love this little boat. My wife finds it somewhat small, unfortunately. We downsized from 41
feet ! I may have to move up again. Not sure I ever want to sell this one. She would want more volume than our CS 27 we keep up north. Andre. lance_ryley <lance_ryley@…> wrote: Hey all -there’s an F25 at the marina for the winter. It’s the model with the fixed mast. I was reading the manual for the model with the rotating mast and Garry is pretty explicit about using running backs when flying the chute. It didn’t appear that this
fixed-mast 25 had running backs… anyone care to share an opinion on why/why not?These 25s have really nice lines. If there’s anyone in the Boston area that’d like to show me around theirs, I’d love to meet up.Thanks,Lance
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Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
Lance,
The wing mast, when rotated in the reaching/running
position, with boom out, has a smaller cross-section in the direction
of spinnaker pull. Garry’s manual said that the running backs must be
used at or over 20 knots of apparent wind. By now, given that the
wing-mast are now 23-24 years old, I’d lower that to 10-15 knots
apparent. Also, note that the wing mast spinnaker is raised to the
mast-head. Other Freedom cat sloops with round masts, generally hoist
the spinnaker to just above the jib stay attachment, resulting in a
lot less leverage on the mast. The round mast design doesn’t have
the weakness in broad reaching and running, and although I don’t what
Garry recommends, the factory did not equip the '83 and on Freedom
25s (or the 21-footer) with running backs when the spinnaker option
was installed.
Yes, the Freedom 25 has very nice, fast lines. I describe them as the
shape of a slightly obese J-24 bottom.
Herm S.V. Impulse (Mull 28)
At 07:43 AM 10/26/2006, you wrote:
Hey all -
there’s an F25 at the marina for the winter. It’s the model with the
fixed mast. I was reading the manual for the model with the rotating
mast and Garry is pretty explicit about using running backs when flying
the chute. It didn’t appear that this fixed-mast 25 had running
backs… anyone care to share an opinion on why/why not?
These 25s have really nice lines. If there’s anyone in the Boston area
that’d like to show me around theirs, I’d love to meet up.
Thanks,
Lance
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Posted by andre laviolette (andrelaviolette@…>)
Charlie, Next month, I will renew dodger and bimini with pacific blue Sunbrella, repaint the bottom and think it over. Maybe, just maybe if I found a 32 to my wife’s liking I may … I love this boat. Should you come to south Florida come have a look. Andre.Herman and Gail Schiller <hschiller2@…> wrote: Lance,The wing mast, when rotated in the reaching/running position, with
boom out, has a smaller cross-section in the direction of spinnaker pull. Garry’s manual said that the running backs must be used at or over 20 knots of apparent wind. By now, given that the wing-mast are now 23-24 years old, I’d lower that to 10-15 knots apparent. Also, note that the wing mast spinnaker is raised to the mast-head. Other Freedom cat sloops with round masts, generally hoist the spinnaker to just above the jib stay attachment, resulting in a lot less leverage on the mast. The round mast design doesn’t have the weakness in broad reaching and running, and although I don’t what Garry recommends, the factory did not equip the '83 and on Freedom 25s (or the 21-footer) with running backs when the spinnaker option was installed.Yes, the Freedom 25 has very nice, fast lines. I describe them as the shape of a slightly obese J-24 bottom.Herm S.V. Impulse (Mull 28)At 07:43 AM 10/26/2006, you
wrote:>Hey all ->there’s an F25 at the marina for the winter. It’s the model with the>fixed mast. I was reading the manual for the model with the rotating>mast and Garry is pretty explicit about using running backs when flying>the chute. It didn’t appear that this fixed-mast 25 had running>backs… anyone care to share an opinion on why/why not?>>These 25s have really nice lines. If there’s anyone in the Boston area>that’d like to show me around theirs, I’d love to meet up.>>Thanks,>Lance>>
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