Freedom 32 (Gary Mull) - Just how good are they?

Posted by ABC (oldbrochan@…>)

Are there any F-32 (Gary Mull design) owners out there willing to share their ownership experiences with me? I am considering ‘moving up’ to an F-32 from my current F-25.

I’m looking for general and specific “pointers” on what to look out for with the F-32.

How does an F-32 sail compared to say an F-25? What are the strengths and weaknesses of it’s sea handling abilities? At what stage would you start reefing? How easy is it to use the spinnaker/gunmount single handed? Indeed how easy is an F-32 to single hand? Any real negative handling issues that I should be aware of?

Also from the maintenance/general wear and tear aspect, what goes wrong or can go wrong with an F32? Are there any major manufacturing issues/defects that may be around on a boat of this vintage?

Grateful for any guidance you can offer.

Regards

David
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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)

David:

Are you sure you’re asking about the Mull 32? Very few of them were built; they are basically the Mull 30 with a sugar scoop at the stern. Most of the 32’s were the Garry Hoyt design.

Al Lorman
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Are there any F-32 (Gary Mull design) owners out there willing to share their ownership experiences with me? I am considering ‘moving up’ to an F-32 from my current F-25.

I’m looking for general and specific “pointers” on what to look out for with the F-32.

How does an F-32 sail compared to say an F-25? What are the strengths and weaknesses of it’s sea handling abilities? At what stage would you start reefing? How easy is it to use the spinnaker/gunmount single handed? Indeed how easy is an F-32 to single hand? Any real negative handling issues that I should be aware of?

Also from the maintenance/general wear and tear aspect, what goes wrong or can go wrong with an F32? Are there any major manufacturing issues/defects that may be around on a boat of this vintage?

Grateful for any guidance you can offer.

Regards

David
F25 #46



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Posted by Fargo Rousseau (fargo_r@…>)

David:

The Mull designed F30 and F32 are great designs…
…infact identical boats in most respects. F30 seem to
sell for high 30s to mid 40s. F32 bring another
$20k…although they are somewhat newer and may have
upgraded ports, etc. If you want a very good Freedom
in this general size range, you migh consider the F28,
also. F33s, all of which are a few years older, are
also lovely…and in the same price range of the F30.

Re: F30s, the Bitter End Yacht Club in the BVI have
have a fleet of F30 for almost 20 years now…and
consider them bullet proof. 5 years in a charter
fleet will tear most boats up…20 years is amazing.

Fargo
F30#12

— “Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:

David:

Are you sure you’re asking about the Mull 32? Very
few of them were
built; they are basically the Mull 30 with a sugar
scoop at the stern.
Most of the 32’s were the Garry Hoyt design.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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  • Just how good are
    they?

Are there any F-32 (Gary Mull design) owners out
there willing to share
their ownership experiences with me? I am
considering ‘moving up’ to an
F-32 from my current F-25.

I’m looking for general and specific “pointers” on
what to look out for
with the F-32.

How does an F-32 sail compared to say an F-25? What
are the strengths
and weaknesses of it’s sea handling abilities? At
what stage would you
start reefing? How easy is it to use the
spinnaker/gunmount single
handed? Indeed how easy is an F-32 to single hand?
Any real negative
handling issues that I should be aware of?

Also from the maintenance/general wear and tear
aspect, what goes wrong
or can go wrong with an F32? Are there any major
manufacturing
issues/defects that may be around on a boat of this
vintage?

Grateful for any guidance you can offer.

Regards

David
F25 #46


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Posted by ABC (oldbrochan@…>)
Al,

I have rechecked the agents specifications sheet and the boat in question is described as being designed by Gary Mull. A further lok at the spec sheet reveals the following statement "The Gary Mull designed Freedom 30/32 … " which seems to support some of the other comments that the boat is basically an F-30 PLUS a “sugar scoop”.

Would welcome your views on the F30/32.

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Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)

David:

I love my Mull 30. They are not great to windward, lacking a big headsail, but they are a lot better than many think when you have new sails (which I do). I did a lot of upgrading to mine when I bought her and I came away very impressed with the build quality of the boat. My last boat was a Sabre, which are widely considered one of the best production boats. I found little in the Freedom that was inferior to the Sabre. (I have a 1987, so I don’t know whether this is equally as true for later-built 32.) Indeed, in upgrading the boat, I was not replacing things that broke, just hardware that has improved over the years.

They are very easy to sail, which was important to me in the buying equation. On the other hand, if you’re an inveterate string puller, there are probably other boats that would suit you better.

As others have noted, there’s quite a big price difference between a 30 and a 32. In deciding whether that difference is worth it to you, consider the fact that the sugar scoop is available from Freedom and simply bolts on to the back of the 30.

I’m sure the F30 owners on this list would be happy to answer any specific questions you have.

Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio

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Al,

I have rechecked the agents specifications sheet and the boat in question is described as being designed by Gary Mull. A further lok at the spec sheet reveals the following statement "The Gary Mull designed Freedom 30/32 … " which seems to support some of the other comments that the boat is basically an F-30 PLUS a “sugar scoop”.

Would welcome your views on the F30/32.

David


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Posted by markedwards55 (markedwards55@…>)

David, I can see from other responses you might have what you need
already. I can tell you from my years experience building,
servicing, and sailing this design, that the Freedom 30/32 is an
excellent performing boat and fun to sail. She is weatherly and
stiff. The underbody is very different from the Freedom 25 you have
now. The Freedom 30 is wider at the water line and has more hull
form stability. If you are sailing in predominantly light air such
as the Chesapeake in the summer then perhaps you might want to add a
larger headsail to the inventory. One owner whose boat I sold
recently had added roller furling with a 110% genoa and found that
slight overlap gave him the extra power he felt lacking. Most
owners however find the current sail plan sufficient. The swim
platform extension that a couple of responses have mentioned may or
may not still be available to effectively convert a Freedom 30 to a
32 but in any case would be too expensive now to justify it given
the cost of the boat itself. You may contact me if you have an
interest in receiving copies of original sales materials. Good
luck in your search.
Mark Edwards,
Freedom Yachts

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, ABC <oldbrochan@y…>
wrote:

Are there any F-32 (Gary Mull design) owners out there willing to
share their ownership experiences with me? I am considering ‘moving
up’ to an F-32 from my current F-25.

I’m looking for general and specific “pointers” on what to look
out for with the F-32.

How does an F-32 sail compared to say an F-25? What are the
strengths and weaknesses of it’s sea handling abilities? At what
stage would you start reefing? How easy is it to use the
spinnaker/gunmount single handed? Indeed how easy is an F-32 to
single hand? Any real negative handling issues that I should be
aware of?

Also from the maintenance/general wear and tear aspect, what goes
wrong or can go wrong with an F32? Are there any major
manufacturing issues/defects that may be around on a boat of this
vintage?

Grateful for any guidance you can offer.

Regards

David
F25 #46


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