Posted by Medium Al (hjulbyhavn@…>)
I am starting to look for an F32/F33 and would like to hear about the
differences.
Upon retirement (7 years) I want to have the boat ready to go to Europe
and sail Scandinavia including the Norwegion fjords and the east-coast-
of-Sweden archipelago. I expect to live on the boat for month (couple),
and haul it for winter storage over there each year. Being able to take
another couple along for periods should be practical.
The use means the boat must make good progress to windward in a chop,
sail well in the big stuff and motor well. Seeing over the house when
motoring and sailing in busy waters is essential.
The newer Mull’s seems cramped and not well suited for live-aboard with
the narrow center hallway, correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems you
will be jumping over someones legs all day long (we are not short
people).
The F32 comes with a shoal or long keel. Are there any significant
differences in use/sailing?
The F33 comes with a Blade or with a stub keel. I can’t imagine that
the stub keel is desireable but I am open to learn.
Thanks for any reply.
Thor
Posted by jerry weinraub (zayde@…>)
I can’t speak for the 32,but I have owned a F33 for 6 years. My boat has standard booms, fixed lead keel and and draws 4.5 feet. She is not particularly good to windward in winds less than 8-10 kts,but above that does quite well… My wife and I have cruised her each summer for a month ,between Long Island Sound and Cape Cod,and she has more than adequate room and amenities. The previous owner and his wife sailed her,with a teenage daughter, from New England through the Bahamas and back,including an ocean passage from Grand Bahama to South Carolina. I am 6 feet tall,and have plenty of head room. The bunks are plenty long for me,and I’ve gotten no complaints from guests.
As to motoring,she does 6.2 kt @ 2600 RPM,burning 3/4 GPH. She is ,also,for sale. If interested ,email me zayde@…,and I will send pictures and detailed information
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From: Medium Al
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 5:45 PM
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Freedom 32 Hoyt vs Freedom 33
I am starting to look for an F32/F33 and would like to hear about the differences.Upon retirement (7 years) I want to have the boat ready to go to Europe and sail Scandinavia including the Norwegion fjords and the east-coast-of-Sweden archipelago. I expect to live on the boat for month (couple), and haul it for winter storage over there each year. Being able to take another couple along for periods should be practical.The use means the boat must make good progress to windward in a chop, sail well in the big stuff and motor well. Seeing over the house when motoring and sailing in busy waters is essential.The newer Mull’s seems cramped and not well suited for live-aboard with the narrow center hallway, correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems you will be jumping over someones legs all day long (we are not short people).The F32 comes with a shoal or long keel. Are there any significant differences in use/sailing?The F33 comes with a Blade or with a stub keel. I can’t imagine that the stub keel is desireable but I am open to learn.Thanks for any reply.Thor
Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)
Hi Thor,
I’ve owned an F33 for 8 years. What I know of these two boats: they
are entirely different boats. The F32 is a Mull sloop, the F33 is a
catketch. I would say the F33 is more suited for ocean voyages. It
has a rig stretched across the entire length of the boat, making it
very course stable. The F33 self steers on most courses higher than
90* with the wheel lashed. The volume is much bigger than the F32,
creating a easy going boat in waves with lots of storage space. I
would go for the centreboard version of the F33, which has the least
drift. In a storm on the ocean, you lift the board and the boat and
slide off a wave without falling over. The F32 is probably faster
and a bit better to windward.
regards,
Michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Medium Al”
<hjulbyhavn@…> wrote:
I am starting to look for an F32/F33 and would like to hear about
the
differences.
Upon retirement (7 years) I want to have the boat ready to go to
Europe
and sail Scandinavia including the Norwegion fjords and the east-
coast-
of-Sweden archipelago. I expect to live on the boat for month
(couple),
and haul it for winter storage over there each year. Being able to
take
another couple along for periods should be practical.
The use means the boat must make good progress to windward in a
chop,
sail well in the big stuff and motor well. Seeing over the house
when
motoring and sailing in busy waters is essential.
The newer Mull’s seems cramped and not well suited for live-aboard
with
the narrow center hallway, correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems
you
will be jumping over someones legs all day long (we are not short
people).
The F32 comes with a shoal or long keel. Are there any significant
differences in use/sailing?
The F33 comes with a Blade or with a stub keel. I can’t imagine
that
the stub keel is desireable but I am open to learn.
Thanks for any reply.
Thor
Posted by Thomas Wales (twales@…>)
Hi Thor,
I can’t speak about the F33, but as a recent F32 owner (Hoyt)
purchased last spring, I find that the more I sail the boat, the more I
appreciate it. We just got back from a 3 day weekend gunkholing among some
islands in midcoast Maine. The winds were fairly steady at 15 kts with
gusts to 20. We had full sail the whole weekend with no
issues. Anchoring is simple and entertaining is easy. We sailed with
another couple, they on their own boat and we took turns hosting
dinner. The other wife really liked the layout of the Hoyt 32. These are
experienced sailors. Their former boat was a C&C 43 and their current boat
is an Aerodyne 38. With a very adequate head and 2 reasonable sleeping
areas, this boat will be comfortable for 2 couples.
I have the deep keel which gives somewhat better performance. If
you don’t need a shoal draft, I’d recommend the 6’ draft.
Whatever your decision, I don’t think you’ll go wrong with either
boat. The F33 owners seem equally pleased and passionate about their
ketches as we are about our sloops. They both will provide very simple and
civilized cruising.
Good Luck,
Tom Wales '84 F32 #20 Anoush Koon
Pemaquid, ME
At 09:45 PM 9/10/2006 +0000, you wrote:
I am starting to look for an F32/F33 and would like to hear about the
differences.
Upon retirement (7 years) I want to have the boat ready to go to Europe
and sail Scandinavia including the Norwegion fjords and the east-coast-
of-Sweden archipelago. I expect to live on the boat for month (couple),
and haul it for winter storage over there each year. Being able to take
another couple along for periods should be practical.
The use means the boat must make good progress to windward in a chop,
sail well in the big stuff and motor well. Seeing over the house when
motoring and sailing in busy waters is essential.
The newer Mull’s seems cramped and not well suited for live-aboard with
the narrow center hallway, correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems you
will be jumping over someones legs all day long (we are not short
people).
The F32 comes with a shoal or long keel. Are there any significant
differences in use/sailing?
The F33 comes with a Blade or with a stub keel. I can’t imagine that
the stub keel is desireable but I am open to learn.
Thanks for any reply.
Thor
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Posted by geraldfreshwater (freshwater@…>)
We’ve cruised our F33 (UK built centreboard version) in Norway and Sweden each
season
since 2002, and find it ideal in many ways for this area. Marina berths are
sometimes more
difficult to find for larger boats. It’s big enough to be comfortable for two
for a couple of
months, four for a couple of weeks, but small enough to get into the “nature
harbours”
which provide the best anchorages (no, you don’t have to take your clothes
off!). The
centreboard is a real bonus here, as depth is often limited, and when you touch
the rocks
(you will, if you go there), it folds up if you haven’t already raised it. The
miniature
bowsprit provides easy access ashore when tying up with a stern anchor set, the
Scandinavian standard.
If you over-winter in Sweden or East Norway, be careful to drain all the water
out - I failed
to get it all out of the calorifier one year, and it split wide open as the
temperature went
down to -20 Celsius.
Hope your plans work out, and perhaps we’ll see another F33 in the skaergard.
Gerald Freshwater
Lerwick
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Wales <twales@…> wrote:
Hi Thor,
I can’t speak about the F33, but as a recent F32 owner (Hoyt)
purchased last spring, I find that the more I sail the boat, the more I
appreciate it. We just got back from a 3 day weekend gunkholing among some
islands in midcoast Maine. The winds were fairly steady at 15 kts with
gusts to 20. We had full sail the whole weekend with no
issues. Anchoring is simple and entertaining is easy. We sailed with
another couple, they on their own boat and we took turns hosting
dinner. The other wife really liked the layout of the Hoyt 32. These are
experienced sailors. Their former boat was a C&C 43 and their current boat
is an Aerodyne 38. With a very adequate head and 2 reasonable sleeping
areas, this boat will be comfortable for 2 couples.
I have the deep keel which gives somewhat better performance. If
you don’t need a shoal draft, I’d recommend the 6’ draft.
Whatever your decision, I don’t think you’ll go wrong with either
boat. The F33 owners seem equally pleased and passionate about their
ketches as we are about our sloops. They both will provide very simple and
civilized cruising.
Good Luck,
Tom Wales '84 F32 #20 Anoush Koon
Pemaquid, ME
At 09:45 PM 9/10/2006 +0000, you wrote:
I am starting to look for an F32/F33 and would like to hear about the
differences.
Upon retirement (7 years) I want to have the boat ready to go to Europe
and sail Scandinavia including the Norwegion fjords and the east-coast-
of-Sweden archipelago. I expect to live on the boat for month (couple),
and haul it for winter storage over there each year. Being able to take
another couple along for periods should be practical.
The use means the boat must make good progress to windward in a chop,
sail well in the big stuff and motor well. Seeing over the house when
motoring and sailing in busy waters is essential.
The newer Mull’s seems cramped and not well suited for live-aboard with
the narrow center hallway, correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems you
will be jumping over someones legs all day long (we are not short
people).
The F32 comes with a shoal or long keel. Are there any significant
differences in use/sailing?
The F33 comes with a Blade or with a stub keel. I can’t imagine that
the stub keel is desireable but I am open to learn.
Thanks for any reply.
Thor
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Posted by Medium Al (hjulbyhavn@…>)
Thanks for the input, every bit helps.
Thor
Posted by andre laviolette (andrelaviolette@…>)
Thor, Performance of these two seems to be similar. Their handicaps in the USNE are about two boat lengths per mile of racing apart, the 33 rating surprisingly as a little bit faster. I would venture to say that on the wind the 32 would point measurably higher and off the wind the 33 would gain ground, all depending on sails used and skippers being equal. In all practicality their performance would be the same. Andre. Medium Al <hjulbyhavn@…> wrote: Thanks for the input, every bit helps.Thor
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