Posted by ljsanz (ljsanz@…>)
I am considering purchasing a 1995-1999 Freedom 35 and would
appreciate the suggestions/pros/cons/insights from current and
previous owners. Thanks in advance for your help.
Posted by levenezia (levenezia@…>)
Please forgive my intrusion into this
group as I’m a Tartan 3700 owner but I lurk on this board and the Sabre
group’s list because I get valuable information from both, as well as
from our own Tartan group’s list. The boat in the slip next to our boat
is a 1999 Freedom 35 and may be the last 35 built. I’ve sailed on
it and the owner has sailed on our boat. He’s had nothing but good things
to say about his boat and has been very happy with it. We’re always
trading tips and insights. He’s a hands on owner and does most of
his own work including engine maintenance and bottom painting. He’s a
very knowledgeable owner and is very happy with his choice of boats. I like his
boat very much and am very impressed by the fit and finish of it overall. He’s
had far fewer issues with his boat than I’ve had with mine and mine is a
much newer boat. As a non Freedom owner, without any bias, I think they’re
great boats. My last boat, prior to the Tartan was a Legacy 28 power boat by
Freedom. The fit and finish on that boat as well as factory service was miles
ahead of my Tartan and the Tartan factory. I think Freedom makes a very
nice boat. Our boat is slightly faster but then again, the Freedom has that
camber spar and we’ve got a 135 genoa. I think the Freedom 35 would be a
good choice if you’re looking for a comfortable, well built cruising
sailboat at a sensible price.
From:
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Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 8:00
PM
To:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Freedom 35 sailboat purchase
I am considering purchasing a 1995-1999 Freedom 35 and
would
appreciate the suggestions/pros/cons/insights from current and
previous owners. Thanks in advance for your help.
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Posted by jsforgey@… (jsforgey@…)
One thing to do the with the headsail is to place about 18" of PVC on the headstay. It keeps the headsail off the deck and out of the way when at dock.
We love our F-32! 1985 and sailing strong.
Scott
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Posted by Jay T. Reed (reedjayt@…>)
I’ve had my 1994 Freedom 35 for just over 3 years. It’s hard to know where
to begin. I’m continually impressed with the design and layout of the 35.
I don’t race anymore, but I can usually walk past most cruising boats in the
size range when beating to windward. She will drive at 30 degrees to the
wind on either tack. I can come about and be up to speed long before
friends can get their genoas sheeted in. I was on a friends sailboat this
weekend and was frustrated about having to climb around the shrouds when
going forward. I’ve been spoiled by the free standing mast on my 35.
The only negative is that the camberspar takes up room on the foredeck. I
lash it over to the side when we are docked, which keeps it out of the way.
The advantage of the self-tending jib, in my mind, far exceeds the bother.
If you go sailing on one have them show you the man overboard drill. You
simply lock the wheel down to port or starboard and the boat will sail in a
circle unattended.
Good Luck
Jay
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From: “ljsanz” <ljsanz@…>
Reply-To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Freedom 35 sailboat purchase
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:00:04 -0000I am considering purchasing a 1995-1999 Freedom 35 and would
appreciate the suggestions/pros/cons/insights from current and
previous owners. Thanks in advance for your help.
Posted by Thomas Wales (twales@…>)
I use a piece of appropriately sized fuel line for the same purpose,
sliced down the middle and taped back up. The two minutes of
unfurling/furling is well worth the efforts. I don’t miss having a
roller furling rig at all.
TW F32 Anoush Koon
At 11:05 AM 7/10/2007, you wrote:
One thing to do the with the headsail is to place about 18" of PVC
on the headstay. It keeps the headsail off the deck and out of the
way when at dock.We love our F-32! 1985 and sailing strong.
Scott
Girlfriend
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Posted by ljsanz (ljsanz@…>)
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Jay T. Reed”
<reedjayt@…> wrote:
I’ve had my 1994 Freedom 35 for just over 3 years. It’s hard to
know where
to begin. I’m continually impressed with the design and layout of
the 35.
I don’t race anymore, but I can usually walk past most cruising
boats in the
size range when beating to windward. She will drive at 30 degrees
to the
wind on either tack. I can come about and be up to speed long before
friends can get their genoas sheeted in. I was on a friends
sailboat this
weekend and was frustrated about having to climb around the shrouds
when
going forward. I’ve been spoiled by the free standing mast on my 35.The only negative is that the camberspar takes up room on the
foredeck. I
lash it over to the side when we are docked, which keeps it out of
the way.
The advantage of the self-tending jib, in my mind, far exceeds the
bother.If you go sailing on one have them show you the man overboard drill.
You
simply lock the wheel down to port or starboard and the boat will
sail in a
circle unattended.Good Luck
JayFrom: “ljsanz” <ljsanz@…>
Reply-To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Freedom 35 sailboat purchase
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:00:04 -0000I am considering purchasing a 1995-1999 Freedom 35 and would
appreciate the suggestions/pros/cons/insights from current and
previous owners. Thanks in advance for your help.
I have read the reply posts from Jay, Lawrence, Scott and Tom and very
much appreciate your time and effort. I have been away from sailing
for the past 7 years and am looking forward to getting back with it.
My previous sailing has been on the Pamlico Sound of NC in a Pacific
Seacraft Orion and a Cape Dory 36. I have sailed the Freedom 35 only
once, but really loved it! Thanks again for your input. Best regards,
Larry
Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
Larry:
How did you like the Orion? That has always been one of my favorite boats.
Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio
-----Original Message-----From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ljsanzSent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:58 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 35 sailboat purchase
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Jay T. Reed”<reedjayt@…> wrote:>> I’ve had my 1994 Freedom 35 for just over 3 years. It’s hard toknow where > to begin. I’m continually impressed with the design and layout ofthe 35. > I don’t race anymore, but I can usually walk past most cruisingboats in the > size range when beating to windward. She will drive at 30 degreesto the > wind on either tack. I can come about and be up to speed long before > friends can get their genoas sheeted in. I was on a friendssailboat this > weekend and was frustrated about having to climb around the shroudswhen > going forward. I’ve been spoiled by the free standing mast on my 35.> > The only negative is that the camberspar takes up room on theforedeck. I > lash it over to the side when we are docked, which keeps it out ofthe way. > The advantage of the self-tending jib, in my mind, far exceeds thebother.> > If you go sailing on one have them show you the man overboard drill.You > simply lock the wheel down to port or starboard and the boat willsail in a > circle unattended.> > Good Luck> Jay> > > >From: “ljsanz” <ljsanz@…>> >Reply-To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> >To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Freedom 35 sailboat purchase> >Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:00:04 -0000> >> >I am considering purchasing a 1995-1999 Freedom 35 and would> >appreciate the suggestions/pros/cons/insights from current and> >previous owners. Thanks in advance for your help.> >> > __________________________________________________________> http://liveearth.msn.com>I have read the reply posts from Jay, Lawrence, Scott and Tom and verymuch appreciate your time and effort. I have been away from sailingfor the past 7 years and am looking forward to getting back with it. My previous sailing has been on the Pamlico Sound of NC in a PacificSeacraft Orion and a Cape Dory 36. I have sailed the Freedom 35 onlyonce, but really loved it! Thanks again for your input. Best regards,Larry
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Posted by ljsanz (ljsanz@…>)
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@…> wrote:
Larry:
How did you like the Orion? That has always been one of my favorite
boats.Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio-----Original Message-----
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ljsanz
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:58 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 35 sailboat purchase— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com , “Jay T. Reed”
<reedjayt@> wrote:I’ve had my 1994 Freedom 35 for just over 3 years. It’s hard to
know where
to begin. I’m continually impressed with the design and layout of
the 35.
I don’t race anymore, but I can usually walk past most cruising
boats in the
size range when beating to windward. She will drive at 30 degrees
to the
wind on either tack. I can come about and be up to speed long before
friends can get their genoas sheeted in. I was on a friends
sailboat this
weekend and was frustrated about having to climb around the shrouds
when
going forward. I’ve been spoiled by the free standing mast on my 35.The only negative is that the camberspar takes up room on the
foredeck. I
lash it over to the side when we are docked, which keeps it out of
the way.
The advantage of the self-tending jib, in my mind, far exceeds the
bother.If you go sailing on one have them show you the man overboard drill.
You
simply lock the wheel down to port or starboard and the boat will
sail in a
circle unattended.Good Luck
JayFrom: “ljsanz” <ljsanz@>
Reply-To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Freedom 35 sailboat purchase
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:00:04 -0000I am considering purchasing a 1995-1999 Freedom 35 and would
appreciate the suggestions/pros/cons/insights from current and
previous owners. Thanks in advance for your help.
I have read the reply posts from Jay, Lawrence, Scott and Tom and very
much appreciate your time and effort. I have been away from sailing
for the past 7 years and am looking forward to getting back with it.
My previous sailing has been on the Pamlico Sound of NC in a Pacific
Seacraft Orion and a Cape Dory 36. I have sailed the Freedom 35 only
once, but really loved it! Thanks again for your input. Best regards,
LarryIRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax
matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer,
Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer
for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under
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Al,
I liked the Orion very much and was sorry that I sold it. At the time
I thought I needed a larger boat and thereby ended up with the Cape
Dory 36. I liked it also, but my wife did not and thereby no boat! As
noted, my experience on the Freedom 35 is limited, but it seems much
more agile and quick. Less brightwork upkeep is also very appealing.
How do you like your Freedom?
Best regards, Larry
Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
Larry:
I enjoy my F30 very much. I basically use it as a day sailer, but it has been very comfortable for two on cruises. Sometimes it is so easy to sail that it gets boring. You are certainly right about less brightwork; I consider that one of the main impediments to owning an Orion, which I otherwise consider one of the “shippiest” boats ever built. How did she do in light air?
Al
-----Original Message-----From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ljsanzSent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:35 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 35 sailboat purchase
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.”<ajlorman@…> wrote:>> Larry:> > How did you like the Orion? That has always been one of my favorite> boats.> > Al Lorman> F30 Ab Initio> > -----Original Message-----> From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ljsanz> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:58 PM> To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 35 sailboat purchase> > > > — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com , “Jay T. Reed”> <reedjayt@> wrote:> >> > I’ve had my 1994 Freedom 35 for just over 3 years. It’s hard to> know where > > to begin. I’m continually impressed with the design and layout of> the 35. > > I don’t race anymore, but I can usually walk past most cruising> boats in the > > size range when beating to windward. She will drive at 30 degrees> to the > > wind on either tack. I can come about and be up to speed long before > > friends can get their genoas sheeted in. I was on a friends> sailboat this > > weekend and was frustrated about having to climb around the shrouds> when > > going forward. I’ve been spoiled by the free standing mast on my 35.> > > > The only negative is that the camberspar takes up room on the> foredeck. I > > lash it over to the side when we are docked, which keeps it out of> the way. > > The advantage of the self-tending jib, in my mind, far exceeds the> bother.> > > > If you go sailing on one have them show you the man overboard drill.> You > > simply lock the wheel down to port or starboard and the boat will> sail in a > > circle unattended.> > > > Good Luck> > Jay> > > > > > >From: “ljsanz” <ljsanz@>> > >Reply-To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com > > >To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Freedom 35 sailboat purchase> > >Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:00:04 -0000> > >> > >I am considering purchasing a 1995-1999 Freedom 35 and would> > >appreciate the suggestions/pros/cons/insights from current and> > >previous owners. Thanks in advance for your help.> > >> > > > __________________________________________________________> > http://liveearth.msn.com http://liveearth.msn.com > >> I have read the reply posts from Jay, Lawrence, Scott and Tom and very> much appreciate your time and effort. I have been away from sailing> for the past 7 years and am looking forward to getting back with it. > My previous sailing has been on the Pamlico Sound of NC in a Pacific> Seacraft Orion and a Cape Dory 36. I have sailed the Freedom 35 only> once, but really loved it! Thanks again for your input. Best regards,> Larry> > > > > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to taxmatters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer,Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayerfor the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed underU.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice inpromoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity,investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advicewas written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person otherthan Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and(ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayersparticular circumstances from an independent tax advisor.> > This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely forthe use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If youhave received this email in error please notify the system manager. Ifyou are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distributeor copy this e-mail.>Al,I liked the Orion very much and was sorry that I sold it. At the timeI thought I needed a larger boat and thereby ended up with the CapeDory 36. I liked it also, but my wife did not and thereby no boat! Asnoted, my experience on the Freedom 35 is limited, but it seems muchmore agile and quick. Less brightwork upkeep is also very appealing.How do you like your Freedom?Best regards, Larry
Posted by ljsanz (ljsanz@…>)
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@…> wrote:
Larry:
I enjoy my F30 very much. I basically use it as a day sailer, but it
has been very comfortable for two on cruises. Sometimes it is so easy
to sail that it gets boring. You are certainly right about less
brightwork; I consider that one of the main impediments to owning an
Orion, which I otherwise consider one of the “shippiest” boats ever
built. How did she do in light air?Al
-----Original Message-----
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ljsanz
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:35 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 35 sailboat purchase— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com , “Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@> wrote:Larry:
How did you like the Orion? That has always been one of my favorite
boats.Al Lorman
F30 Ab Initio-----Original Message-----
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of ljsanz
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:58 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 35 sailboat purchase— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com , “Jay T. Reed”
<reedjayt@> wrote:I’ve had my 1994 Freedom 35 for just over 3 years. It’s hard to
know where
to begin. I’m continually impressed with the design and layout of
the 35.
I don’t race anymore, but I can usually walk past most cruising
boats in the
size range when beating to windward. She will drive at 30 degrees
to the
wind on either tack. I can come about and be up to speed long beforefriends can get their genoas sheeted in. I was on a friends
sailboat this
weekend and was frustrated about having to climb around the shrouds
when
going forward. I’ve been spoiled by the free standing mast on my 35.The only negative is that the camberspar takes up room on the
foredeck. I
lash it over to the side when we are docked, which keeps it out of
the way.
The advantage of the self-tending jib, in my mind, far exceeds the
bother.If you go sailing on one have them show you the man overboard drill.
You
simply lock the wheel down to port or starboard and the boat will
sail in a
circle unattended.Good Luck
JayFrom: “ljsanz” <ljsanz@>
Reply-To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Freedom 35 sailboat purchase
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:00:04 -0000I am considering purchasing a 1995-1999 Freedom 35 and would
appreciate the suggestions/pros/cons/insights from current and
previous owners. Thanks in advance for your help.
http://liveearth.msn.com http://liveearth.msn.com
<http://liveearth.msn.com http://liveearth.msn.com >I have read the reply posts from Jay, Lawrence, Scott and Tom and very
much appreciate your time and effort. I have been away from sailing
for the past 7 years and am looking forward to getting back with it.
My previous sailing has been on the Pamlico Sound of NC in a Pacific
Seacraft Orion and a Cape Dory 36. I have sailed the Freedom 35 only
once, but really loved it! Thanks again for your input. Best regards,
LarryIRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax
matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer,
Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer
for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under
U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in
promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity,
investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice
was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other
than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and
(ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers
particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor.This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for
the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you
have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If
you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute
or copy this e-mail.Al,
I liked the Orion very much and was sorry that I sold it. At the time
I thought I needed a larger boat and thereby ended up with the Cape
Dory 36. I liked it also, but my wife did not and thereby no boat! As
noted, my experience on the Freedom 35 is limited, but it seems much
more agile and quick. Less brightwork upkeep is also very appealing.
How do you like your Freedom?Best regards, Larry
Al,
Light air was her weakness - she did not do all that well.
Fortunately we had good air most of the time on the Pamlico Sound and
Nuese river. We,too,did mostly day sailing. Where do you sail?
Larry
Posted by Lorman, Alvin J. (ajlorman@…>)
I’m on the Chesapeake, one river south of Annapolis.
Al
-----Original Message-----From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ljsanzSent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 5:04 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 35 sailboat purchase
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Lorman, Alvin J.”<ajlorman@…> wrote:>> Larry:> > I enjoy my F30 very much. I basically use it as a day sailer, but it> has been very comfortable for two on cruises. Sometimes it is so easy> to sail that it gets boring. You are certainly right about less> brightwork; I consider that one of the main impediments to owning an> Orion, which I otherwise consider one of the “shippiest” boats ever> built. How did she do in light air?> > Al> > -----Original Message-----> From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ljsanz> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:35 PM> To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 35 sailboat purchase> > > > — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com , “Lorman, Alvin J.”> <ajlorman@> wrote:> >> > Larry:> > > > How did you like the Orion? That has always been one of my favorite> > boats.> > > > Al Lorman> > F30 Ab Initio> > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of ljsanz> > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:58 PM> > To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 35 sailboat purchase> > > > > > > > — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com > > mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com , “Jay T. Reed”> > <reedjayt@> wrote:> > >> > > I’ve had my 1994 Freedom 35 for just over 3 years. It’s hard to> > know where > > > to begin. I’m continually impressed with the design and layout of> > the 35. > > > I don’t race anymore, but I can usually walk past most cruising> > boats in the > > > size range when beating to windward. She will drive at 30 degrees> > to the > > > wind on either tack. I can come about and be up to speed long before> > > > friends can get their genoas sheeted in. I was on a friends> > sailboat this > > > weekend and was frustrated about having to climb around the shrouds> > when > > > going forward. I’ve been spoiled by the free standing mast on my 35.> > > > > > The only negative is that the camberspar takes up room on the> > foredeck. I > > > lash it over to the side when we are docked, which keeps it out of> > the way. > > > The advantage of the self-tending jib, in my mind, far exceeds the> > bother.> > > > > > If you go sailing on one have them show you the man overboard drill.> > You > > > simply lock the wheel down to port or starboard and the boat will> > sail in a > > > circle unattended.> > > > > > Good Luck> > > Jay> > > > > > > > > >From: “ljsanz” <ljsanz@>> > > >Reply-To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com > > mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com > > > >To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com > > mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com > > > >Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Freedom 35 sailboat purchase> > > >Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:00:04 -0000> > > >> > > >I am considering purchasing a 1995-1999 Freedom 35 and would> > > >appreciate the suggestions/pros/cons/insights from current and> > > >previous owners. Thanks in advance for your help.> > > >> > > > > > __________________________________________________________> > > http://liveearth.msn.com http://liveearth.msn.com> <http://liveearth.msn.com http://liveearth.msn.com > > > >> > I have read the reply posts from Jay, Lawrence, Scott and Tom and very> > much appreciate your time and effort. I have been away from sailing> > for the past 7 years and am looking forward to getting back with it. > > My previous sailing has been on the Pamlico Sound of NC in a Pacific> > Seacraft Orion and a Cape Dory 36. I have sailed the Freedom 35 only> > once, but really loved it! Thanks again for your input. Best regards,> > Larry> > > > > > > > > > > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax> matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer,> Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer> for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under> U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in> promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity,> investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice> was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other> than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and> (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers> particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor.> > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for> the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you> have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If> you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute> or copy this e-mail.> >> Al,> > I liked the Orion very much and was sorry that I sold it. At the time> I thought I needed a larger boat and thereby ended up with the Cape> Dory 36. I liked it also, but my wife did not and thereby no boat! As> noted, my experience on the Freedom 35 is limited, but it seems much> more agile and quick. Less brightwork upkeep is also very appealing.> How do you like your Freedom?> > Best regards, Larry>Al,Light air was her weakness - she did not do all that well. Fortunately we had good air most of the time on the Pamlico Sound andNuese river. We,too,did mostly day sailing. Where do you sail?Larry
Posted by Larry Sanzenbacher (ljsanz@…>)
One of the boats that I am considering is in
Annapolis.
Larry
— “Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:
I’m on the Chesapeake, one river south of Annapolis.
Al
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Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 5:04 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 35
sailboat purchase— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com ,
“Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@…> wrote:Larry:
I enjoy my F30 very much. I basically use it as a
day sailer, but it
has been very comfortable for two on cruises.
Sometimes it is so easy
to sail that it gets boring. You are certainly
right about less
brightwork; I consider that one of the main
impediments to owning an
Orion, which I otherwise consider one of the
“shippiest” boats ever
built. How did she do in light air?Al
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mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com ] On
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Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:35 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 35
sailboat purchase— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com ,
“Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@> wrote:Larry:
How did you like the Orion? That has always been
one of my favorite
boats.Al Lorman
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Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 35
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mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com ,
“Jay T. Reed”
<reedjayt@> wrote:I’ve had my 1994 Freedom 35 for just over 3
years. It’s hard to
know where
to begin. I’m continually impressed with the
design and layout of
the 35.
I don’t race anymore, but I can usually walk
past most cruising
boats in the
size range when beating to windward. She will
drive at 30 degrees
to the
wind on either tack. I can come about and be
up to speed long
beforefriends can get their genoas sheeted in. I was
on a friends
sailboat this
weekend and was frustrated about having to
climb around the
shrouds
when
going forward. I’ve been spoiled by the free
standing mast on my
The only negative is that the camberspar takes
up room on the
foredeck. I
lash it over to the side when we are docked,
which keeps it out of
the way.
The advantage of the self-tending jib, in my
mind, far exceeds the
bother.If you go sailing on one have them show you
the man overboard
drill.
You
simply lock the wheel down to port or
starboard and the boat will
sail in a
circle unattended.Good Luck
JayFrom: “ljsanz” <ljsanz@>
Reply-To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Freedom 35
sailboat purchase
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:00:04 -0000I am considering purchasing a 1995-1999
Freedom 35 and would
appreciate the suggestions/pros/cons/insights
from current and
previous owners. Thanks in advance for your
help.
http://liveearth.msn.com
http://liveearth.msn.com
<http://liveearth.msn.com http://liveearth.msn.com<http://liveearth.msn.com
http://liveearth.msn.com
<http://liveearth.msn.com http://liveearth.msn.comI have read the reply posts from Jay, Lawrence,
Scott and Tom and
very
much appreciate your time and effort. I have
been away from sailing
for the past 7 years and am looking forward to
getting back with it.My previous sailing has been on the Pamlico
Sound of NC in a Pacific
Seacraft Orion and a Cape Dory 36. I have sailed
the Freedom 35 only
once, but really loved it! Thanks again for your
input. Best
regards,
LarryIRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed
above as to tax
matters was neither written nor intended by the
sender or Mayer,
Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be
used by any taxpayer
for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may
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Posted by ptecca63 (paul.tecca@…>)
Hi Larry,
I just bought a 1993 F35 this spring. I upgraded from a 1985 Sabre
32 and one of the biggest differences I found was the size of the
mainsail on the F35. It is a monster compared to what I had. Even
with well lubed bat cars, raising the sail takes considerably more
effort than the main on my Sabre. When I was originally looking at
the F35s I noticed that many of them had a power winch. I thought
then it was kind of over kill, but I don’t any more…
Sailing the F35 is all about the mainsail. It is the driving force
on the boat and it is a big sail. Reef early, or you will find
yourself “behind the boat” in a hurry.
Overall I am extremely pleased with the F35. She is quick and agile,
and has a nice layout with plenty of room above and below decks. A
very nice cruising boat. The fit and finish of the boat seems above
average. Almost as good as a Sabre ;).
One thing to watch out for on the F35s are leaky port lights. It is
a well known problem with the F35 and you’ll want to know if the
problem has been properly fixed. Also, I saw in your last post that
you are considering an F35 in Annapolis. If the name of the boat
is “Thumper”, take care. I spoke with someone who travelled from New
Hampshire to look at her. He said the boat was a dissappointment and
had some significant issues. I don’t recall the details. Probe the
broker to find out what the deal is before investing in a trip to see
her. That boat has been on the market for a long time.
I read that you sail in NC on Pamlico Sound and the Neuse River. The
F35 I bought was from your area. Her home used to be in
Whortonsville, NC. On Broad Creek off the Neuse River. Pamlico Sound
and the Neuse are her old stomping grounds. I’m glad I found her
before you did!
Regards,
Paul
Midnight Star
'93 F35 #8
Posted by Jay T. Reed (reedjayt@…>)
Paul
When I had my mast refinished this year on my 94 Freedom 35, I asked about
lubrication of the mast track. Harken suggested not lubricating the track.
It seems that makes the balls in the bat cars too slippery, so they don’t
turn, and they can flatten on a side making them less efficient. I replaced
all the balls in the bat cars and I can raise the main so the first two
battens are past the lazy jacks by hand. I only use the winch to take it up
the rest of the way. Interestingly many of the balls I replaced were flat
on a side. As long as you have the original retainers, its not too
difficult or expensive to change the balls.
Jay
\
From: “ptecca63” <paul.tecca@…>
Reply-To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 35 sailboat purchase
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 03:44:25 -0000Hi Larry,
I just bought a 1993 F35 this spring. I upgraded from a 1985 Sabre
32 and one of the biggest differences I found was the size of the
mainsail on the F35. It is a monster compared to what I had. Even
with well lubed bat cars, raising the sail takes considerably more
effort than the main on my Sabre. When I was originally looking at
the F35s I noticed that many of them had a power winch. I thought
then it was kind of over kill, but I don’t any more…Sailing the F35 is all about the mainsail. It is the driving force
on the boat and it is a big sail. Reef early, or you will find
yourself “behind the boat” in a hurry.Overall I am extremely pleased with the F35. She is quick and agile,
and has a nice layout with plenty of room above and below decks. A
very nice cruising boat. The fit and finish of the boat seems above
average. Almost as good as a Sabre ;).One thing to watch out for on the F35s are leaky port lights. It is
a well known problem with the F35 and you’ll want to know if the
problem has been properly fixed. Also, I saw in your last post that
you are considering an F35 in Annapolis. If the name of the boat
is “Thumper”, take care. I spoke with someone who travelled from New
Hampshire to look at her. He said the boat was a dissappointment and
had some significant issues. I don’t recall the details. Probe the
broker to find out what the deal is before investing in a trip to see
her. That boat has been on the market for a long time.I read that you sail in NC on Pamlico Sound and the Neuse River. The
F35 I bought was from your area. Her home used to be in
Whortonsville, NC. On Broad Creek off the Neuse River. Pamlico Sound
and the Neuse are her old stomping grounds. I’m glad I found her
before you did!Regards,
Paul
Midnight Star
'93 F35 #8
Posted by f35sail (s.goward@…>)
Larry:
As noted in my previous e-mail, we bought our 1994 F35 in May 2005.
Since then we have been “de-bugging”. (e.g. the mailsail). Other
items we have dealt with include replacing Harken Lazyjacks with the
original design, from Paul Dennis. Replacing the water pump on the
Yanmar. re-varnishing the interior, rehabilitating the auto-pilot,
replacing the anchor light (led) and rehabbing the boom (including
reefing lines), replacing the transducers for the B&Gs and replacing
all the running rigging. We also had a new dodger built to reduce my
head contact going below decks.
One of the more frustrating items has been replacing the port gaskets.
We came onboard after a particularly bad nor’easter to find the nav
station full of water. First locating a source for the
port gaskets was a pain and took about a year. I final found the
gaskets at Mariner’s Hardware in CA (they are really helpful). We
have already installed the new gaskets in 8 of the 12ports. What a
difference. By the way, these ports were reseated by the previous owner.
We are just now experiencing the sagging headliner problem and are
paying close attention to the current discuss. Fabric looks really
good so would just like to re-attach. Hopefully it can “relatively”
easily be done.
We are also in the final stages of solving weak refigeration, with a
recharge of our Adler-Barbour and replacement of the gaskets on the
doors (notice a common theme?)
We do love the boat, after a Bristol 35 and a Pearson 365, this a
major step up and well worth the investment.
Sam Goward
F35#22(?) Suzee
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Larry Sanzenbacher
<ljsanz@…> wrote:
One of the boats that I am considering is in
Annapolis.Larry
— “Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:I’m on the Chesapeake, one river south of Annapolis.
Al
-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of ljsanz
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 5:04 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 35
sailboat purchase— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com ,
“Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@> wrote:Larry:
I enjoy my F30 very much. I basically use it as a
day sailer, but it
has been very comfortable for two on cruises.
Sometimes it is so easy
to sail that it gets boring. You are certainly
right about less
brightwork; I consider that one of the main
impediments to owning an
Orion, which I otherwise consider one of the
“shippiest” boats ever
built. How did she do in light air?Al
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mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
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mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com ] On
Behalf Of ljsanz
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:35 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 35
sailboat purchase— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com ,
“Lorman, Alvin J.”
<ajlorman@> wrote:Larry:
How did you like the Orion? That has always been
one of my favorite
boats.Al Lorman
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To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
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mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 35
sailboat purchase— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com ,
“Jay T. Reed”
<reedjayt@> wrote:I’ve had my 1994 Freedom 35 for just over 3
years. It’s hard to
know where
to begin. I’m continually impressed with the
design and layout of
the 35.
I don’t race anymore, but I can usually walk
past most cruising
boats in the
size range when beating to windward. She will
drive at 30 degrees
to the
wind on either tack. I can come about and be
up to speed long
beforefriends can get their genoas sheeted in. I was
on a friends
sailboat this
weekend and was frustrated about having to
climb around the
shrouds
when
going forward. I’ve been spoiled by the free
standing mast on my
The only negative is that the camberspar takes
up room on the
foredeck. I
lash it over to the side when we are docked,
which keeps it out of
the way.
The advantage of the self-tending jib, in my
mind, far exceeds the
bother.If you go sailing on one have them show you
the man overboard
drill.
You
simply lock the wheel down to port or
starboard and the boat will
sail in a
circle unattended.Good Luck
JayFrom: “ljsanz” <ljsanz@>
Reply-To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Freedom 35
sailboat purchase
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:00:04 -0000I am considering purchasing a 1995-1999
Freedom 35 and would
appreciate the suggestions/pros/cons/insights
from current and
previous owners. Thanks in advance for your
help.
http://liveearth.msn.com
http://liveearth.msn.com
<http://liveearth.msn.com http://liveearth.msn.com<http://liveearth.msn.com
http://liveearth.msn.com
<http://liveearth.msn.com http://liveearth.msn.comI have read the reply posts from Jay, Lawrence,
Scott and Tom and
very
much appreciate your time and effort. I have
been away from sailing
for the past 7 years and am looking forward to
getting back with it.My previous sailing has been on the Pamlico
Sound of NC in a Pacific
Seacraft Orion and a Cape Dory 36. I have sailed
the Freedom 35 only
once, but really loved it! Thanks again for your
input. Best
regards,
LarryIRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed
above as to tax
matters was neither written nor intended by the
sender or Mayer,
Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be
used by any taxpayer
for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may
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Posted by fredmolden@…> (fredmolden@…>)
I usually go up the mast once a year to
wax the mast and clean and lubricate the slide with MacLube. I can pull the
sail by hand past the lazy jacks and electric winch it the rest of the way.
My winch switches are located on starboard side of cockpit about 6 inches off
the sole. You can’t do them by hand without bending over but with a
little practice you can use a toe and have both hands free and be able to watch
the main go up. Be careful once the main is up, the winch is strong
enough to tear the sail luff if you pull too tight. I mark the halyard
then tweak the last couple of inches.
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay T. Reed
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 9:42
AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Re: Freedom 35 sailboat purchase
Paul
When I had my mast refinished this year on my 94 Freedom 35, I asked about
lubrication of the mast track. Harken suggested not lubricating the track.
It seems that makes the balls in the bat cars too slippery, so they don’t
turn, and they can flatten on a side making them less efficient. I replaced
all the balls in the bat cars and I can raise the main so the first two
battens are past the lazy jacks by hand. I only use the winch to take it up
the rest of the way. Interestingly many of the balls I replaced were flat
on a side. As long as you have the original retainers, its not too
difficult or expensive to change the balls.
Jay
From: “ptecca63” <paul.tecca@parexel.com>
Reply-To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 35 sailboat purchase
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 03:44:25 -0000Hi Larry,
I just bought a 1993 F35 this spring. I upgraded from a 1985 Sabre
32 and one of the biggest differences I found was the size of the
mainsail on the F35. It is a monster compared to what I had. Even
with well lubed bat cars, raising the sail takes considerably more
effort than the main on my Sabre. When I was originally looking at
the F35s I noticed that many of them had a power winch. I thought
then it was kind of over kill, but I don’t any more…Sailing the F35 is all about the mainsail. It is the driving force
on the boat and it is a big sail. Reef early, or you will find
yourself “behind the boat” in a hurry.Overall I am extremely pleased with the F35. She is quick and agile,
and has a nice layout with plenty of room above and below decks. A
very nice cruising boat. The fit and finish of the boat seems above
average. Almost as good as a Sabre ;).One thing to watch out for on the F35s are leaky port lights. It is
a well known problem with the F35 and you’ll want to know if the
problem has been properly fixed. Also, I saw in your last post that
you are considering an F35 in Annapolis.
If the name of the boat
is “Thumper”, take care. I spoke with someone who travelled from
New
Hampshire to look at her. He said the boat was a dissappointment and
had some significant issues. I don’t recall the details. Probe the
broker to find out what the deal is before investing in a trip to see
her. That boat has been on the market for a long time.I read that you sail in NC on Pamlico Sound and the Neuse River.
The
F35 I bought was from your area. Her home used to be in
Whortonsville, NC. On Broad Creek off the Neuse River.
Pamlico Sound
and the Neuse are her old stomping
grounds. I’m glad I found her
before you did!Regards,
Paul
Midnight Star
'93 F35 #8
Posted by Jay T. Reed (reedjayt@…>)
Sam
We haven’t had any problem with any of the ports leaking and they are still
original in Sketch, but I am considering replacing the gasket on the
refrigerator. Have you decided on what type or where you are getting the
gasket?
Jay
\
From: “f35sail” <s.goward@…>
Reply-To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 35 sailboat purchase
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:56:32 -0000Larry:
As noted in my previous e-mail, we bought our 1994 F35 in May 2005.
Since then we have been “de-bugging”. (e.g. the mailsail). Other
items we have dealt with include replacing Harken Lazyjacks with the
original design, from Paul Dennis. Replacing the water pump on the
Yanmar. re-varnishing the interior, rehabilitating the auto-pilot,
replacing the anchor light (led) and rehabbing the boom (including
reefing lines), replacing the transducers for the B&Gs and replacing
all the running rigging. We also had a new dodger built to reduce my
head contact going below decks.One of the more frustrating items has been replacing the port gaskets.
We came onboard after a particularly bad nor’easter to find the nav
station full of water. First locating a source for the
port gaskets was a pain and took about a year. I final found the
gaskets at Mariner’s Hardware in CA (they are really helpful). We
have already installed the new gaskets in 8 of the 12ports. What a
difference. By the way, these ports were reseated by the previous owner.We are just now experiencing the sagging headliner problem and are
paying close attention to the current discuss. Fabric looks really
good so would just like to re-attach. Hopefully it can “relatively”
easily be done.We are also in the final stages of solving weak refigeration, with a
recharge of our Adler-Barbour and replacement of the gaskets on the
doors (notice a common theme?)We do love the boat, after a Bristol 35 and a Pearson 365, this a
major step up and well worth the investment.Sam Goward
F35#22(?) Suzee— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Larry Sanzenbacher
<ljsanz@…> wrote:One of the boats that I am considering is in
Annapolis.Larry
— “Lorman, Alvin J.” <ajlorman@…> wrote:I’m on the Chesapeake, one river south of Annapolis.
Al
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<ajlorman@> wrote:Larry:
I enjoy my F30 very much. I basically use it as a
day sailer, but it
has been very comfortable for two on cruises.
Sometimes it is so easy
to sail that it gets boring. You are certainly
right about less
brightwork; I consider that one of the main
impediments to owning an
Orion, which I otherwise consider one of the
“shippiest” boats ever
built. How did she do in light air?Al
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How did you like the Orion? That has always been
one of my favorite
boats.Al Lorman
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“Jay T. Reed”
<reedjayt@> wrote:I’ve had my 1994 Freedom 35 for just over 3
years. It’s hard to
know where
to begin. I’m continually impressed with the
design and layout of
the 35.
I don’t race anymore, but I can usually walk
past most cruising
boats in the
size range when beating to windward. She will
drive at 30 degrees
to the
wind on either tack. I can come about and be
up to speed long
beforefriends can get their genoas sheeted in. I was
on a friends
sailboat this
weekend and was frustrated about having to
climb around the
shrouds
when
going forward. I’ve been spoiled by the free
standing mast on my
The only negative is that the camberspar takes
up room on the
foredeck. I
lash it over to the side when we are docked,
which keeps it out of
the way.
The advantage of the self-tending jib, in my
mind, far exceeds the
bother.If you go sailing on one have them show you
the man overboard
drill.
You
simply lock the wheel down to port or
starboard and the boat will
sail in a
circle unattended.Good Luck
JayFrom: “ljsanz” <ljsanz@>
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Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Freedom 35
sailboat purchase
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:00:04 -0000I am considering purchasing a 1995-1999
Freedom 35 and would
appreciate the suggestions/pros/cons/insights
from current and
previous owners. Thanks in advance for your
help.
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been away from sailing
for the past 7 years and am looking forward to
getting back with it.My previous sailing has been on the Pamlico
Sound of NC in a Pacific
Seacraft Orion and a Cape Dory 36. I have sailed
the Freedom 35 only
once, but really loved it! Thanks again for your
input. Best
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Posted by louis spitz (aronella@…>)
How do you go up the mast? I know there’s ATN top-climber & bosun’s seat, but without shrouds to hang on to , it must be tricky?
Lou
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I usually go up the mast once a year to wax the mast and clean and lubricate the slide with MacLube. I can pull the sail by hand past the lazy jacks and electric winch it the rest of the way. My winch switches are located on starboard side of cockpit about 6 inches off the sole. You can’t do them by hand without bending over but with a little practice you can use a toe and have both hands free and be able to watch the main go up. Be careful once the main is up, the winch is strong enough to tear the sail luff if you pull too tight. I mark the halyard then tweak the last couple of inches.
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay T. ReedSent: Friday, July 13, 2007 9:42 AMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 35 sailboat purchase
PaulWhen I had my mast refinished this year on my 94 Freedom 35, I asked about lubrication of the mast track. Harken suggested not lubricating the track. It seems that makes the balls in the bat cars too slippery, so they don’t turn, and they can flatten on a side making them less efficient. I replaced all the balls in the bat cars and I can raise the main so the first two battens are past the lazy jacks by hand. I only use the winch to take it up the rest of the way. Interestingly many of the balls I replaced were flat on a side. As long as you have the original retainers, its not too difficult or expensive to change the balls.Jay>From: “ptecca63” <paul.tecca@parexel.com>>Reply-To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 35 sailboat purchase>Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 03:44:25 -0000>>Hi Larry,>>I just bought a 1993 F35 this spring. I upgraded from a 1985 Sabre>32 and one of the biggest differences I found was the size of the>mainsail on the F35. It is a monster compared to what I had. Even>with well lubed bat cars, raising the sail takes considerably more>effort than the main on my Sabre. When I was originally looking at>the F35s I noticed that many of them had a power winch. I thought>then it was kind of over kill, but I don’t any more…>>Sailing the F35 is all about the mainsail. It is the driving force>on the boat and it is a big sail. Reef early, or you will find>yourself “behind the boat” in a hurry.>>Overall I am extremely pleased with the F35. She is quick and agile,>and has a nice layout with plenty of room above and below decks. A>very nice cruising boat. The fit and finish of the boat seems above>average. Almost as good as a Sabre ;).>>One thing to watch out for on the F35s are leaky port lights. It is>a well known problem with the F35 and you’ll want to know if the>problem has been properly fixed. Also, I saw in your last post that>you are considering an F35 in Annapolis. If the name of the boat>is “Thumper”, take care. I spoke with someone who travelled from New>Hampshire to look at her. He said the boat was a dissappointment and>had some significant issues. I don’t recall the details. Probe the>broker to find out what the deal is before investing in a trip to see>her. That boat has been on the market for a long time.>>I read that you sail in NC on Pamlico Sound and the Neuse River. The>F35 I bought was from your area. Her home used to be in>Whortonsville, NC. On Broad Creek off the Neuse River. Pamlico Sound>and the Neuse are her old stomping grounds. I’m glad I found her>before you did!>>Regards,>>Paul>Midnight Star>'93 F35 #8>>>__________________________________________________________http://newlivehotmail.com
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Posted by Melissa (kalicinm@…>)
Nope, it’s pretty easy! I have a bosun’s seat and a windlass…have someone press the button (and tale the line and cleat it off every so many feet or so) and up you go! I held onto the halyard and my legs kinda hugged the mast and I was fine. I thought it was pretty fun going up my mast!
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----- Original Message ----From: louis spitz <aronella@…>To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:33:40 AMSubject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 35 sailboat purchase
How do you go up the mast? I know there’s ATN top-climber & bosun’s seat, but without shrouds to hang on to , it must be tricky?
Lou
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I usually go up the mast once a year to wax the mast and clean and lubricate the slide with MacLube. I can pull the sail by hand past the lazy jacks and electric winch it the rest of the way. My winch switches are located on starboard side of cockpit about 6 inches off the sole. You can¢t do them by hand without bending over but with a little practice you can use a toe and have both hands free and be able to watch the main go up. Be careful once the main is up, the winch is strong enough to tear the sail luff if you pull too tight. I mark the halyard then tweak the last couple of inches.
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Jay T. ReedSent: Friday, July 13, 2007 9:42 AMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. comSubject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Freedom 35 sailboat purchase
PaulWhen I had my mast refinished this year on my 94 Freedom 35, I asked about lubrication of the mast track. Harken suggested not lubricating the track. It seems that makes the balls in the bat cars too slippery, so they don’t turn, and they can flatten on a side making them less efficient. I replaced all the balls in the bat cars and I can raise the main so the first two battens are past the lazy jacks by hand. I only use the winch to take it up the rest of the way. Interestingly many of the balls I replaced were flat on a side. As long as you have the original retainers, its not too difficult or expensive to change the balls.Jay>From: “ptecca63” <paul.tecca@parexel. com>>Reply-To: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com>To: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com>Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Freedom 35 sailboat purchase>Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 03:44:25 -0000>>Hi Larry,>>I just bought a 1993 F35 this spring. I upgraded from a 1985 Sabre>32 and one of the biggest differences I found was the size of the>mainsail on the F35. It is a monster compared to what I had. Even>with well lubed bat cars, raising the sail takes considerably more>effort than the main on my Sabre. When I was originally looking at>the F35s I noticed that many of them had a power winch. I thought>then it was kind of over kill, but I don’t any more…>>Sailing the F35 is all about the mainsail. It is the driving force>on the boat and it is a big sail. Reef early, or you will
find>yourself “behind the boat” in a hurry.>>Overall I am extremely pleased with the F35. She is quick and agile,>and has a nice layout with plenty of room above and below decks. A>very nice cruising boat. The fit and finish of the boat seems above>average. Almost as good as a Sabre ;).>>One thing to watch out for on the F35s are leaky port lights. It is>a well known problem with the F35 and you’ll want to know if the>problem has been properly fixed. Also, I saw in your last post that>you are considering an F35 in Annapolis . If the name of the boat>is “Thumper”, take care. I spoke with someone who travelled from New>Hampshire to look at her. He said the boat was a dissappointment and>had some significant issues. I don’t recall the details. Probe the>broker to find out what the deal is before investing in a trip to see>her. That boat has been on the market for a
long time.>>I read that you sail in NC on Pamlico Sound and the Neuse River . The>F35 I bought was from your area. Her home used to be in> Whortonsville , NC . On Broad Creek off the Neuse River . Pamlico Sound>and the Neuse are her old stomping grounds. I’m glad I found her>before you did!>>Regards,>>Paul>Midnight Star>'93 F35 #8>>>____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _http://newlivehotma il.com
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Posted by fredmolden@…> (fredmolden@…>)
I have my wife on the winch, she checks my
insurance policy first. I take 4 wraps, keep the jam cleat on, use the
self tailer and have her hold the tail of the halyard. Then use the
main halyard and a bosun chair. I tie a loose line around the jib stay just to
have something to help keep me from swinging. As I pass the jib stay
termination I check for corrosion or cracks on the fittings and let go of the
loose line and wrap my legs around the mast, then on up to the top. I wax
and clean on the way down. You can also use the flag halyard to keep from
swinging. I have popped the breaker on the winch if I try to go all the
way up in one shot so I stop a couple of times on the way up just to let things
cool off. I also run the engine or am connected to shore power to provide
the winch with maximum voltage.
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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:34
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To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Re: Freedom 35 sailboat purchase
How do you go up the mast? I know there’s ATN top-climber
& bosun’s seat, but without shrouds to hang on to , it must be tricky?
Lou
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I usually go up the mast once a year to wax the mast and clean and
lubricate the slide with MacLube. I can pull the sail by hand past the
lazy jacks and electric winch it the rest of the way. My winch switches
are located on starboard side of cockpit about 6 inches off the sole. You
can’t do them by hand without bending over but with a little practice you
can use a toe and have both hands free and be able to watch the main go
up. Be careful once the main is up, the winch is strong enough to tear
the sail luff if you pull too tight. I mark the halyard then tweak the
last couple of inches.
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Jay T. Reed
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 9:42
AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FreedomOwnersGroup]
Re: Freedom 35 sailboat purchase
Paul
When I had my mast refinished this year on my 94 Freedom 35, I asked about
lubrication of the mast track. Harken suggested not lubricating the track.
It seems that makes the balls in the bat cars too slippery, so they don’t
turn, and they can flatten on a side making them less efficient. I replaced
all the balls in the bat cars and I can raise the main so the first two
battens are past the lazy jacks by hand. I only use the winch to take it up
the rest of the way. Interestingly many of the balls I replaced were flat
on a side. As long as you have the original retainers, its not too
difficult or expensive to change the balls.
Jay
From: “ptecca63” <paul.tecca@parexel.com>
Reply-To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom 35 sailboat purchase
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 03:44:25 -0000Hi Larry,
I just bought a 1993 F35 this spring. I upgraded from a 1985 Sabre
32 and one of the biggest differences I found was the size of the
mainsail on the F35. It is a monster compared to what I had. Even
with well lubed bat cars, raising the sail takes considerably more
effort than the main on my Sabre. When I was originally looking at
the F35s I noticed that many of them had a power winch. I thought
then it was kind of over kill, but I don’t any more…Sailing the F35 is all about the mainsail. It is the driving force
on the boat and it is a big sail. Reef early, or you will find
yourself “behind the boat” in a hurry.Overall I am extremely pleased with the F35. She is quick and agile,
and has a nice layout with plenty of room above and below decks. A
very nice cruising boat. The fit and finish of the boat seems above
average. Almost as good as a Sabre ;).One thing to watch out for on the F35s are leaky port lights. It is
a well known problem with the F35 and you’ll want to know if the
problem has been properly fixed. Also, I saw in your last post that
you are considering an F35 in Annapolis. If the name of the
boat
is “Thumper”, take care. I spoke with someone who travelled from
New
Hampshire to look at her. He said the boat was a dissappointment and
had some significant issues. I don’t recall the details. Probe the
broker to find out what the deal is before investing in a trip to see
her. That boat has been on the market for a long time.I read that you sail in NC on Pamlico Sound and the Neuse River. The
F35 I bought was from your area. Her home used to be in
Whortonsville,
NC. On Broad Creek
off the Neuse
River. Pamlico Sound
and the Neuse are her old
stomping grounds. I’m glad I found her
before you did!Regards,
Paul
Midnight Star
'93 F35 #8