Posted by Geoffrey Schultz (geoff.freedom@geoffschultz.org>)
Maybe I’ve missed it, but I haven’t seen any discussion about
Freedom/Legacy going out of business. They closed their doors over a
month ago. All of the staff is gone and the contents of the factory
has been purchased by the owner of the building.
Sad…
– Geoff
Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)
Indeed sad. Do you know if the molds (moulds?) of the sailboats still
exist?
Michel
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Geoffrey Schultz”
<geoff.freedom@…> wrote:
Maybe I’ve missed it, but I haven’t seen any discussion about
Freedom/Legacy going out of business. They closed their doors over a
month ago. All of the staff is gone and the contents of the factory
has been purchased by the owner of the building.Sad…
– Geoff
Posted by Mark Edwards (markedwards55@…>)
Michel,
The Freedom sailboat molds have been cut up some time ago. They had
been stored outdoors and fell into disrepair. I believe if you are
interested in acquiring a couple of Legacy power boat molds the
Legacy 32 and the Legacy 42 molds might still be available. These
are both excellent designs and worth saving. Also, this might be an
opportune time for someone to buy the Freedom Yachts name. Any
takers? Mark Edwards
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “michel.capel”
<michel.capel@…> wrote:
Indeed sad. Do you know if the molds (moulds?) of the sailboats
still
exist?Michel
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Geoffrey Schultz”
<geoff.freedom@> wrote:Maybe I’ve missed it, but I haven’t seen any discussion about
Freedom/Legacy going out of business. They closed their doors
over a
month ago. All of the staff is gone and the contents of the
factory
has been purchased by the owner of the building.Sad…
– Geoff
Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)
Alas,
Mark, the name alone isn’t worth much. Pacific Seacraft was bought
for $80K in bankruptcy, and that included the name, all the molds and tooling,
supplies, and three partially completed hulls.
Al
Lorman
From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Mark Edwards
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:25 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom Out of Business
\
Michel,
The Freedom sailboat molds have been cut up some time ago. They had
been stored outdoors and fell into disrepair. I believe if you are
interested in acquiring a couple of Legacy power boat molds the
Legacy 32 and the Legacy 42 molds might still be available. These
are both excellent designs and worth saving. Also, this might be an
opportune time for someone to buy the Freedom Yachts name. Any
takers? Mark Edwards
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com,
“michel.capel”
<michel.capel@…> wrote:
Indeed sad. Do you know if the molds (moulds?) of the sailboats
still
exist?Michel
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com,
“Geoffrey Schultz”
<geoff.freedom@> wrote:Maybe I’ve missed it, but I haven’t seen any discussion about
Freedom/Legacy going out of business. They closed their doors
over a
month ago. All of the staff is gone and the contents of the
factory
has been purchased by the owner of the building.Sad…
– Geoff
\
Posted by Robert (robert@…>)
Mark
What has happenend to the drawings and documentation on the Freedom sailboat product?
Robert
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark EdwardsSent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:25 PMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom Out of Business
Michel,The Freedom sailboat molds have been cut up some time ago. They had been stored outdoors and fell into disrepair. I believe if you are interested in acquiring a couple of Legacy power boat molds the Legacy 32 and the Legacy 42 molds might still be available. These are both excellent designs and worth saving. Also, this might be an opportune time for someone to buy the Freedom Yachts name. Any takers? Mark Edwards— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “michel.capel” <michel.capel@…> wrote:>> Indeed sad. Do you know if the molds (moulds?) of the sailboats still> exist?> > Michel > > > — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Geoffrey Schultz”> <geoff.freedom@> wrote:> >> > Maybe I’ve missed it, but I haven’t seen any discussion about> > Freedom/Legacy going out of business. They closed their doors over a> > month ago. All of the staff is gone and the contents of the factory> > has been purchased by the owner of the building.> > > > Sad…> > > > – Geoff> >>
Posted by George Huffman (thatboatguy2@…>)
That’s remarkable concerning Pacific Seacraft. We sold our 84 Dana 24
that same year for over half what the entire kit and kabootle went
for! But the Dana molds went to someone else before the rest of P.S.
was sold.
George
Posted by Jeff Chale (jwchale@…>)
The Dana 24 molds were purchased by a group on Bainbridge Island, Washington. The hulls are being built in Portland, Oregon, and finished on Bainbridge. So far they have only finished the first hull and I believe the asking price is $175k. It’s a great little boat, but at that price you are going to have to drink the koolaid - gallons and gallons of it.
Jeff Chale
Vashon, WA— On Tue, 11/18/08, George Huffman <thatboatguy2@…> wrote:
From: George Huffman <thatboatguy2@…>Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom Out of BusinessTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comDate: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 12:25 PM
That’s remarkable concerning Pacific Seacraft. We sold our 84 Dana 24that same year for over half what the entire kit and kabootle wentfor! But the Dana molds went to someone else before the rest of P.S.was sold. George
Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)
The
first PS 31 from the new factory in NC (hull laid up in the old factory) was
for sale at the Annapolis Boat Show for about that price.
From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Jeff Chale
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:30 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom Out of Business
\
The Dana 24 molds were purchased by a group on Bainbridge
Island, Washington. The hulls are being built in Portland, Oregon, and
finished on Bainbridge. So far they have only finished the first hull
and I believe the asking price is $175k. It’s a great little boat, but
at that price you are going to have to drink the koolaid - gallons and
gallons of it.
\
Jeff Chale
Vashon, WA
— On Tue, 11/18/08, George Huffman <thatboatguy2@…>
wrote:
From: George Huffman
<thatboatguy2@…>
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom Out of Business
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 12:25 PM
That’s remarkable concerning
Pacific Seacraft. We sold our 84 Dana 24
that same year for over half what the entire kit and kabootle went
for! But the Dana molds went to someone else before the rest of P.S.
was sold.
George
\
\
Posted by geraldfreshwater (freshwater@…>)
I think you can still order a Freedom cat ketch in the UK, from “Freedom Yachts”
in the South
of England, and I have heard that the moulds for the UK ones are still in the
Isle of Man,
probably at Applecraft. F21’s were also made here, the hulls moulded by
Halmatic. I don’t
know if any others were Uk built. Unfortunately, boats built to that standard
are prohibitively
expensive these days. The masts would probably have to be one off products, too.
Our CF
masts were US made by Tillotson-Pearson, but the aluminium one was home grown. I
expect
the insurers would write the boats off rather than pay for new ones, if we broke
them.
Gerald Freshwater,
“Castaway”, Shetland Isles
Posted by Mark Edwards (markedwards55@…>)
When I left the company in December of 2005, the plans for all the
older and newer Freedoms were in flat file drawers and still in
storage. There were also red binders on each Freedom model that I
had created when managing customer service that contained bills of
materials, parts and rigging lists, and diagrams I had found useful
in advising Freedom owners over the years. My guess is those and the
prints are still available at the factory and would be a part of the
package if someone bought the name. Mark Edwards
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Robert” <robert@…>
wrote:
Mark
What has happenend to the drawings and documentation on the Freedom
sailboat
product?Robert
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Edwards
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:25 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom Out of BusinessMichel,
The Freedom sailboat molds have been cut up some time ago. They had
been stored outdoors and fell into disrepair. I believe if you are
interested in acquiring a couple of Legacy power boat molds the
Legacy 32 and the Legacy 42 molds might still be available. These
are both excellent designs and worth saving. Also, this might be an
opportune time for someone to buy the Freedom Yachts name. Any
takers? Mark Edwards— In FreedomOwnersGroup@ <mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%
40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, “michel.capel”
<michel.capel@> wrote:Indeed sad. Do you know if the molds (moulds?) of the sailboats
still
exist?Michel
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@ <mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%
40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, “Geoffrey Schultz”
<geoff.freedom@> wrote:Maybe I’ve missed it, but I haven’t seen any discussion about
Freedom/Legacy going out of business. They closed their doors
over a
month ago. All of the staff is gone and the contents of the
factory
has been purchased by the owner of the building.Sad…
– Geoff
Posted by Roger L. (rogerlov@…>)
I think that someone ought to make a concerted effort to save
all that documentation. Do you have any suggestions as to where
to start? Is there an owner’s organization with a library?
Perhaps the company would donate or allow copies…
Roger
----- Original Message -----
From: “Mark Edwards” <markedwards55@…>
To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:46 AM
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom Out of Business
\
When I left the company in December of 2005, the plans for all
the
older and newer Freedoms were in flat file drawers and still
in
storage. There were also red binders on each Freedom model
that I
had created when managing customer service that contained
bills of
materials, parts and rigging lists, and diagrams I had found
useful
in advising Freedom owners over the years. My guess is those
and the
prints are still available at the factory and would be a part
of the
package if someone bought the name. Mark Edwards— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Robert”
<robert@…>
wrote:Mark
What has happenend to the drawings and documentation on the
Freedom
sailboat
product?Robert
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Mark
Edwards
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:25 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom Out of BusinessMichel,
The Freedom sailboat molds have been cut up some time ago.
They had
been stored outdoors and fell into disrepair. I believe if
you are
interested in acquiring a couple of Legacy power boat molds
the
Legacy 32 and the Legacy 42 molds might still be available.
These
are both excellent designs and worth saving. Also, this
might be an
opportune time for someone to buy the Freedom Yachts name.
Any
takers? Mark Edwards— In FreedomOwnersGroup@ <mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%
40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, “michel.capel”
<michel.capel@> wrote:Indeed sad. Do you know if the molds (moulds?) of the
sailboats
still
exist?Michel
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@ <mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%
40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, “Geoffrey Schultz”
<geoff.freedom@> wrote:Maybe I’ve missed it, but I haven’t seen any discussion
about
Freedom/Legacy going out of business. They closed their
doors
over a
month ago. All of the staff is gone and the contents of
the
factory
has been purchased by the owner of the building.Sad…
– Geoff
Yahoo! Groups Links
Posted by Stephen Dewey (stephendewey@…>)
I agree. Perhaps the freedom owners group could chip in to aquire said documentation???With today’s technology it is relatively easy to turn the paper documentation into electronic format to facilitate knowledge sharing. Even large size drawing plots are easy to scan.Although many models are covered, perhaps the “business” model to follow would be that of the various one design organizations. If the OEM manufacturer ceases production, the one design organization will often aquire the documentation & tooling and then license other builders to continue production to class standards. J-24,. Etchells, Rhodes 19 come to mind.I have no idea how much the documentaion would cost, but a possible method of recovering any outlay would be to charge a fee if
anyone was to build a new Freedom. I think from a resale value perspective, it can’t hurt to preserve the documentation & facilitate access to it. It would be kind of a quasi factory support system. I mean what happens when Paul Dennis retires? Stephen Deweyhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/stephendeweyFrom: Roger L. <rogerlov@…>To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:09:26 AMSubject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom Out of Business
I think that someone ought to make a concerted effort to save
all that documentation. Do you have any suggestions as to where
to start? Is there an owner’s organization with a library?
Perhaps the company would donate or allow copies…
Roger
----- Original Message -----
From: “Mark Edwards” <markedwards55@ yahoo.com>
To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:46 AM
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Freedom Out of Business
When I left the company in December of 2005, the plans for all
the
older and newer Freedoms were in flat file drawers and still
in
storage. There were also red binders on each Freedom model
that I
had created when managing customer service that contained
bills of
materials, parts and rigging lists, and diagrams I had found
useful
in advising Freedom owners over the years. My guess is those
and the
prints are still available at the factory and would be a part
of the
package if someone bought the name. Mark Edwards— In FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com, “Robert”
<robert@…>
wrote:Mark
What has happenend to the drawings and documentation on the
Freedom
sailboat
product?Robert
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Mark
Edwards
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:25 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Freedom Out of BusinessMichel,
The Freedom sailboat molds have been cut up some time ago.
They had
been stored outdoors and fell into disrepair. I believe if
you are
interested in acquiring a couple of Legacy power boat molds
the
Legacy 32 and the Legacy 42 molds might still be available.
These
are both excellent designs and worth saving. Also, this
might be an
opportune time for someone to buy the Freedom Yachts name.
Any
takers? Mark Edwards— In FreedomOwnersGroup@ <mailto:FreedomOwne rsGroup%
40yahoogroups. com>
yahoogroups. com, “michel.capel”
<michel.capel@ > wrote:Indeed sad. Do you know if the molds (moulds?) of the
sailboats
still
exist?Michel
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@ <mailto:FreedomOwne rsGroup%
40yahoogroups. com>
yahoogroups. com, “Geoffrey Schultz”
<geoff.freedom@ > wrote:Maybe I’ve missed it, but I haven’t seen any discussion
about
Freedom/Legacy going out of business. They closed their
doors
over a
month ago. All of the staff is gone and the contents of
the
factory
has been purchased by the owner of the building.Sad…
– Geoff
Yahoo! Groups Links
\
Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)
Uh, Steve, there is no Freedom owners association. A few of us suggested forming one about four years ago and were publicly flamed for being so elitist.Al LormanLaw Office ofAlvin J. Lorman1629 K Street, NW, Suite 300Washington, DC 20006Tel/Fax: 202.263.1100Cell: 202.236.2359Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless From: Stephen Dewey <stephendewey@…>Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:41:53 -0800 (PST)To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom Out of Business I agree. Perhaps the freedom owners group could chip in to aquire said documentation???With today’s technology it is relatively easy to turn the paper documentation into electronic format to facilitate knowledge sharing. Even large size drawing plots are easy to scan.Although many models are covered, perhaps the “business” model to follow would be that of the various one design organizations. If the OEM manufacturer ceases production, the one design organization will often aquire the documentation & tooling and then license other builders to continue production to class standards. J-24,. Etchells, Rhodes 19 come to mind.I have no idea how much the documentaion would cost, but a possible method of recovering any outlay would be to charge a fee if anyone was to build a new Freedom. I think from a resale value perspective, it can’t hurt to preserve the documentation & facilitate access to it. It would be kind of a quasi factory support system. I mean what happens when Paul Dennis retires? Stephen Deweyhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/stephendeweyFrom: Roger L. <rogerlov@ix.netcom.com>To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:09:26 AMSubject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom Out of Business I think that someone ought to make a concerted effort to save all that documentation. Do you have any suggestions as to where to start? Is there an owner’s organization with a library? Perhaps the company would donate or allow copies… Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: “Mark Edwards” <markedwards55@ yahoo.com> To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Freedom Out of Business > When I left the company in December of 2005, the plans for all the > older and newer Freedoms were in flat file drawers and still in > storage. There were also red binders on each Freedom model that I > had created when managing customer service that contained bills of > materials, parts and rigging lists, and diagrams I had found useful > in advising Freedom owners over the years. My guess is those and the > prints are still available at the factory and would be a part of the > package if someone bought the name. Mark Edwards > > — In FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com, “Robert” <robert@…> > wrote: > > > > Mark > > > > What has happenend to the drawings and documentation on the Freedom > sailboat > > product? > > > > Robert > > > > _____ > > > > From: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com > > [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Mark > Edwards > > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:25 PM > > To: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Freedom Out of Business > > > > > > > > Michel, > > > > The Freedom sailboat molds have been cut up some time ago. They had > > been stored outdoors and fell into disrepair. I believe if you are > > interested in acquiring a couple of Legacy power boat molds the > > Legacy 32 and the Legacy 42 molds might still be available. These > > are both excellent designs and worth saving. Also, this might be an > > opportune time for someone to buy the Freedom Yachts name. Any > > takers? Mark Edwards > > > > — In FreedomOwnersGroup@ <mailto:FreedomOwne rsGroup% > 40yahoogroups. com> > > yahoogroups. com, “michel.capel” > > <michel.capel@ > wrote: > > > > > > Indeed sad. Do you know if the molds (moulds?) of the sailboats > > still > > > exist? > > > > > > Michel > > > > > > > > > — In FreedomOwnersGroup@ <mailto:FreedomOwne rsGroup% > 40yahoogroups. com> > > yahoogroups. com, “Geoffrey Schultz” > > > <geoff.freedom@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Maybe I’ve missed it, but I haven’t seen any discussion about > > > > Freedom/Legacy going out of business. They closed their doors > > over a > > > > month ago. All of the staff is gone and the contents of the > > factory > > > > has been purchased by the owner of the building. > > > > > > > > Sad… > > > > > > > > – Geoff > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
Posted by Robert (robert@…>)
The Freedom name may have a value to someone if manufacturing was to begin again, but as the molds for the hulls, decks etc. are destroyed and any future boats built would therefore be totally new, then I see the existing documentation as worthless for any new venture. It’s value is either historical, in which case it should be kept like all the old Chris-Craft documentation that is now in the possession of the Mariner’s Museum located in Newport News, VA. or its value is to owners of the boats that was built using the information and therefore it should be donated to an interest or members group to be freely used by all.
I am sure if anything was to be done to form a central information source or even a members group it would have to involve a fee to cover the cost of the required resources, even if the manpower was all voluntary, no one should be ‘out-of-pocket’ for the benefit of others and therefore a more formalized organization would be required with a membership fee which would cover the costs involved. The information could then be free to members and/or available on a ad-hoc basis for a fee. I for one am interested and willing to help organize.
Does, anyone know who and how to contact the current custodian of the aovementioned documentation?
On a side note: For the Freedom 32 there was a news letter that ran in the late 80’s and into the 90’s, I have nearly all volume 1, 2 & 3 and there are interesting articles in there about the problems encountered by owners and the remedies tried by the factory to resolve them, these include the mast rotation problem and the problems encoutered with the fuel tank pick-up, priming of the fresh-water system along with a number of interesting owner modifications and repairs. This is interesting information and I am sure it would be of interest to the group, particularly if the missing issues are found. I have been considering scanning the copies, when time allows and uploading to the group, but it would require organization on the existing FreedomOwnersGroup as space allocated for the database is limited and the data really needs to be organized for each boat model.
I am sure this will be an ongoing topic of discussion.
Robert
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen DeweySent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:42 AMTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom Out of Business
I agree. Perhaps the freedom owners group could chip in to aquire said documentation???With today’s technology it is relatively easy to turn the paper documentation into electronic format to facilitate knowledge sharing. Even large size drawing plots are easy to scan.Although many models are covered, perhaps the “business” model to follow would be that of the various one design organizations. If the OEM manufacturer ceases production, the one design organization will often aquire the documentation & tooling and then license other builders to continue production to class standards. J-24,. Etchells, Rhodes 19 come to mind.I have no idea how much the documentaion would cost, but a possible method of recovering any outlay would be to charge a fee if anyone was to build a new Freedom. I think from a resale value perspective, it can’t hurt to preserve the documentation & facilitate access to it. It would be kind of a quasi factory support system. I mean what happens when Paul Dennis retires?
Stephen Deweyhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/stephendewey
From: Roger L. <rogerlov@ix.netcom.com>To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comSent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:09:26 AMSubject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom Out of Business
I think that someone ought to make a concerted effort to saveall that documentation. Do you have any suggestions as to whereto start? Is there an owner’s organization with a library?Perhaps the company would donate or allow copies…Roger----- Original Message -----From: “Mark Edwards” <markedwards55@ yahoo.com>To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com>Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:46 AMSubject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Freedom Out of Business> When I left the company in December of 2005, the plans for allthe> older and newer Freedoms were in flat file drawers and stillin> storage. There were also red binders on each Freedom modelthat I> had created when managing customer service that containedbills of> materials, parts and rigging lists, and diagrams I had founduseful> in advising Freedom owners over the years. My guess is thoseand the> prints are still available at the factory and would be a partof the> package if someone bought the name. Mark Edwards>> — In FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com, “Robert”<robert@…>> wrote:> >> > Mark> >> > What has happenend to the drawings and documentation on theFreedom> sailboat> > product?> >> > Robert> >> > _____> >> > From: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com> > [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf OfMark> Edwards> > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:25 PM> > To: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com> > Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Freedom Out of Business> >> >> >> > Michel,> >> > The Freedom sailboat molds have been cut up some time ago.They had> > been stored outdoors and fell into disrepair. I believe ifyou are> > interested in acquiring a couple of Legacy power boat moldsthe> > Legacy 32 and the Legacy 42 molds might still be available.These> > are both excellent designs and worth saving. Also, thismight be an> > opportune time for someone to buy the Freedom Yachts name.Any> > takers? Mark Edwards> >> > — In FreedomOwnersGroup@ <mailto:FreedomOwne rsGroup%> 40yahoogroups. com>> > yahoogroups. com, “michel.capel”> > <michel.capel@ > wrote:> > >> > > Indeed sad. Do you know if the molds (moulds?) of thesailboats> > still> > > exist?> > >> > > Michel> > >> > >> > > — In FreedomOwnersGroup@ <mailto:FreedomOwne rsGroup%> 40yahoogroups. com>> > yahoogroups. com, “Geoffrey Schultz”> > > <geoff.freedom@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > Maybe I’ve missed it, but I haven’t seen any discussionabout> > > > Freedom/Legacy going out of business. They closed theirdoors> > over a> > > > month ago. All of the staff is gone and the contents ofthe> > factory> > > > has been purchased by the owner of the building.> > > >> > > > Sad…> > > >> > > > – Geoff> > > >> > >> >>>>> ------------ --------- --------- ------>> Yahoo! Groups Links>>>
Posted by Bob (rweeks6508@…>)
Its sounds like the last episode of Eli Stone everything was on fire! Must be a lawyer thing…{:>)) For those non-tv-watcher, Eli Stone is a TV show about a Lawyer who gets his clients via GOD!BobOn Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Al Lorman wrote:Uh, Steve, there is no Freedom owners association. A few of us suggested forming one about four years ago and were publicly flamed for being so elitist. Al Lorman Law Office of Alvin J. Lorman 1629 K Street, NW, Suite 300 Washington, DC 20006 Tel/Fax: 202.263.1100 Cell: 202.236.2359 Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless ___________________________________From : Stephen Dewey <stephendewey@ yahoo.com> Date : Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:41:53 -0800 (PST) To : <FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com> Subject : Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Freedom Out of Business I agree. Perhaps the freedom owners group could chip in to aquire said documentation? ?? With today’s technology it is relatively easy to turn the paper documentation into electronic format to facilitate knowledge sharing. Even large size drawing plots are easy to scan. Although many models are covered, perhaps the “business” model to follow would be that of the various one design organizations. If the OEM manufacturer ceases production, the one design organization will often aquire the documentation & tooling and then license other builders to continue production to class standards. J-24,. Etchells, Rhodes 19 come to mind. I have no idea how much the documentaion would cost, but a possible method of recovering any outlay would be to charge a fee if anyone was to build a new Freedom. I think from a resale value perspective, it can’t hurt to preserve the documentation & facilitate access to it. It would be kind of a quasi factory support system. I mean what happens when Paul Dennis retires? Stephen Dewey http://www.linkedin .com/in/stephend ewey ___________________________________From: Roger L. <rogerlov@ix. netcom.com> To: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:09:26 AM Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Freedom Out of Business I think that someone ought to make a concerted effort to save all that documentation. Do you have any suggestions as to where to start? Is there an owner’s organization with a library? Perhaps the company would donate or allow copies… Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: “Mark Edwards” < markedwards55@ yahoo.com> To: < FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Freedom Out of Business > When I left the company in December of 2005, the plans for all the > older and newer Freedoms were in flat file drawers and still in > storage. There were also red binders on each Freedom model that I > had created when managing customer service that contained bills of > materials, parts and rigging lists, and diagrams I had found useful > in advising Freedom owners over the years. My guess is those and the > prints are still available at the factory and would be a part of the > package if someone bought the name. Mark Edwards > > — In FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com, “Robert” <robert@…> > wrote: > > > > Mark > > > > What has happenend to the drawings and documentation on the Freedom > sailboat > > product? > > > > Robert > > > > _____ > > > > From: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com> > [mailto: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Mark > Edwards > > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:25 PM > > To: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com> > Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Freedom Out of Business > > > > > > > > Michel, > > > > The Freedom sailboat molds have been cut up some time ago. They had > > been stored outdoors and fell into disrepair. I believe if you are > > interested in acquiring a couple of Legacy power boat molds the > > Legacy 32 and the Legacy 42 molds might still be available. These > > are both excellent designs and worth saving. Also, this might be an > > opportune time for someone to buy the Freedom Yachts name. Any > > takers? Mark Edwards > > > > — In FreedomOwnersGroup@ <mailto:FreedomOwne rsGroup% > 40yahoogroups. com> > > yahoogroups. com, “michel.capel” > > <michel.capel@ > wrote: > > > > > > Indeed sad. Do you know if the molds (moulds?) of the sailboats > > still > > > exist? > > > > > > Michel > > > > > > > > > — In FreedomOwnersGroup@ <mailto:FreedomOwne rsGroup% > 40yahoogroups. com> > > yahoogroups. com, “Geoffrey Schultz” > > > <geoff.freedom@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Maybe I’ve missed it, but I haven’t seen any discussion about > > > > Freedom/Legacy going out of business. They closed their doors > > over a > > > > month ago. All of the staff is gone and the contents of the > > factory > > > > has been purchased by the owner of the building. > > > > > > > > Sad… > > > > > > > > – Geoff > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
Posted by george huffman (thatboatguy2@…>)
Al! How dare you suggest such an elitist idea as an owners association! Shame on you for attempting to gentrify our hobby/free way of life! heh heh Count me IN Al. I’m no good at organization but I’m a great cheer leader and I’m willing to chip in my fair share should the time come. Another idea that’s been kicked around but not come to action is a forum style web site. Perhaps the two could co-exist. The PHPBB software is open source, free and is kind of the every-man’s instant forum. George <---- trying to be cute again but also serious. — On Thu, 11/20/08, Bob <rweeks6508@…> wrote:From: Bob
<rweeks6508@…>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom Out of BusinessTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comCc: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comDate: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 10:12 AM
Its sounds like the last episode of Eli Stone everything was on fire! Must be a lawyer thing…{:>)) For those non-tv-watcher, Eli Stone is a TV show about a Lawyer who gets his clients via GOD!BobOn Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Al Lorman wrote:Uh, Steve, there
is no Freedom owners association. A few of us suggested forming one about four years ago and were publicly flamed for being so elitist. Al Lorman Law Office of Alvin J. Lorman 1629 K Street, NW, Suite 300 Washington, DC 20006 Tel/Fax: 202.263.1100 Cell: 202.236.2359 Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless ____________ _________ _________ _____From : Stephen Dewey <stephendewey@ yahoo.com> Date : Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:41:53 -0800 (PST) To : <FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com> Subject : Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Freedom Out of Business I agree. Perhaps the freedom owners group could chip in to aquire said documentation? ?? With today’s technology it is relatively easy to turn the paper documentation into electronic format to facilitate knowledge sharing. Even large size drawing plots are easy to scan. Although many models are covered, perhaps the “business” model to follow would be that of the various one design organizations. If the OEM manufacturer ceases production, the one design organization will often aquire the documentation & tooling and then license other builders to continue production to class standards. J-24,. Etchells, Rhodes 19 come to mind.
I have no idea how much the documentaion would cost, but a possible method of recovering any outlay would be to charge a fee if anyone was to build a new Freedom. I think from a resale value perspective, it can’t hurt to preserve the documentation & facilitate access to it. It would be kind of a quasi factory support system. I mean what happens when Paul Dennis retires? Stephen Dewey http://www.linkedin .com/in/stephend ewey ____________ _________ _________ _____From: Roger L. <rogerlov@ix. netcom.com> To: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:09:26 AM Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Freedom Out of Business I think that someone ought to make a
concerted effort to save all that documentation. Do you have any suggestions as to where to start? Is there an owner’s organization with a library? Perhaps the company would donate or allow copies… Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: “Mark Edwards” < markedwards55@ yahoo.com> To: < FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Freedom Out of Business > When I left the company in December of 2005, the plans for all the > older and newer Freedoms were in flat file drawers and still in > storage. There were also red binders on each Freedom model that I > had created when managing customer service that contained bills of > materials, parts and rigging lists, and diagrams I had found useful > in advising Freedom owners over the years. My guess is those and the > prints are still available at the factory and would be a part of the > package if someone bought the name. Mark Edwards > > — In FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com, “Robert” <robert@…> > wrote: > >
Mark > > > > What has happenend to the drawings and documentation on the Freedom > sailboat > > product? > > > > Robert > > > >
_____ > > > > From: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com> > [mailto: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Mark > Edwards > > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:25 PM > > To: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com> > Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Freedom Out of Business > > > > > > > > Michel, > > > > The Freedom sailboat molds have been cut up some time ago. They had > > been stored outdoors and fell into disrepair. I believe if you are > > interested in acquiring a couple of Legacy power boat molds the > > Legacy 32 and the Legacy 42 molds might still be available. These > > are both excellent designs and worth saving. Also, this might be an > > opportune time for someone to buy the Freedom Yachts name. Any > > takers? Mark Edwards > > > > — In FreedomOwnersGroup@ <mailto:FreedomOwne rsGroup% > 40yahoogroups. com> > > yahoogroups. com, “michel.capel” > > <michel.capel@ > wrote: > > > > > > Indeed sad. Do you know if the molds (moulds?) of the sailboats > > still > > > exist? > > > > > > Michel > > > > > > > > >
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@ <mailto:FreedomOwne rsGroup% > 40yahoogroups. com> > > yahoogroups. com, “Geoffrey Schultz” > > > <geoff.freedom@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Maybe I’ve missed it, but I haven’t seen any discussion about > > > > Freedom/Legacy going out of business. They closed their doors > > over a > > > > month ago. All of the staff is gone and the contents of the > > factory > > > > has been purchased by the owner of the building. > > > > > > > > Sad… > > > > > > > > – Geoff > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links >
Posted by Thomas Wales (twales@…>)
Hi Robert,
As the owner of an '84 F32, I would be interested in the
newsletter to describe. I’d be glad to pay for a copy.
As for the group getting access to old Freedom documents, I
agree it would be useful to avoid having them be lost forever. I
would participate in an effort to salvage such. Mark Edwards could
perhaps advise us where to start. Mark, if you see this notice,
please share your thoughts on the matter.
Thanks,
TW F32 #20 Anoush Koon, Pemaquid, ME
At 10:07 AM 11/20/2008, you wrote:
The Freedom name may have a value to someone if manufacturing was to
begin again, but as the molds for the hulls, decks etc. are
destroyed and any future boats built would therefore be totally new,
then I see the existing documentation as worthless for any new
venture. It’s value is either historical, in which case it should
be kept like all the old Chris-Craft documentation that is now in
the possession of the Mariner’s Museum located in Newport News, VA.
or its value is to owners of the boats that was built using the
information and therefore it should be donated to an interest or
members group to be freely used by all.I am sure if anything was to be done to form a central information
source or even a members group it would have to involve a fee to
cover the cost of the required resources, even if the manpower was
all voluntary, no one should be ‘out-of-pocket’ for the benefit of
others and therefore a more formalized organization would be
required with a membership fee which would cover the costs
involved. The information could then be free to members and/or
available on a ad-hoc basis for a fee. I for one am interested and
willing to help organize.Does, anyone know who and how to contact the current custodian of
the aovementioned documentation?On a side note: For the Freedom 32 there was a news letter that ran
in the late 80’s and into the 90’s, I have nearly all volume 1, 2 &
3 and there are interesting articles in there about the problems
encountered by owners and the remedies tried by the factory to
resolve them, these include the mast rotation problem and the
problems encoutered with the fuel tank pick-up, priming of the
fresh-water system along with a number of interesting owner
modifications and repairs. This is interesting information and I am
sure it would be of interest to the group, particularly if the
missing issues are found. I have been considering scanning the
copies, when time allows and uploading to the group, but it would
require organization on the existing FreedomOwnersGroup as space
allocated for the database is limited and the data really needs to
be organized for each boat model.I am sure this will be an ongoing topic of discussion.
Robert
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Dewey
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:42 AM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom Out of BusinessI agree. Perhaps the freedom owners group could chip in to aquire
said documentation???With today’s technology it is relatively easy to turn the paper
documentation into electronic format to facilitate knowledge
sharing. Even large size drawing plots are easy to scan.Although many models are covered, perhaps the “business” model to
follow would be that of the various one design organizations. If
the OEM manufacturer ceases production, the one design organization
will often aquire the documentation & tooling and then license other
builders to continue production to class standards. J-24,.
Etchells, Rhodes 19 come to mind.I have no idea how much the documentaion would cost, but a possible
method of recovering any outlay would be to charge a fee if anyone
was to build a new Freedom. I think from a resale value
perspective, it can’t hurt to preserve the documentation &
facilitate access to it. It would be kind of a quasi factory
support system. I mean what happens when Paul Dennis retires?Stephen Dewey
http://www.linkedin.com/in/stephendeweyFrom: Roger L. <rogerlov@…>
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:09:26 AM
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom Out of BusinessI think that someone ought to make a concerted effort to save
all that documentation. Do you have any suggestions as to where
to start? Is there an owner’s organization with a library?
Perhaps the company would donate or allow copies…
Roger----- Original Message -----
From: “Mark Edwards”
<mailto:markedwards55%40yahoo.commarkedwards55@ yahoo.com>
To:
<mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.comFreedomOwnersGroup@
yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:46 AM
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Freedom Out of BusinessWhen I left the company in December of 2005, the plans for all
the
older and newer Freedoms were in flat file drawers and still
in
storage. There were also red binders on each Freedom model
that I
had created when managing customer service that contained
bills of
materials, parts and rigging lists, and diagrams I had found
useful
in advising Freedom owners over the years. My guess is those
and the
prints are still available at the factory and would be a part
of the
package if someone bought the name. Mark Edwards— In
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.comFreedomOwnersGroup@
yahoogroups. com, “Robert”
<robert@…>
wrote:Mark
What has happenend to the drawings and documentation on the
Freedom
sailboat
product?Robert
From:
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.comFreedomOwnersGroup@
yahoogroups. com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Mark
Edwards
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:25 PM
To:
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.comFreedomOwnersGroup@
yahoogroups. com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Freedom Out of BusinessMichel,
The Freedom sailboat molds have been cut up some time ago.
They had
been stored outdoors and fell into disrepair. I believe if
you are
interested in acquiring a couple of Legacy power boat molds
the
Legacy 32 and the Legacy 42 molds might still be available.
These
are both excellent designs and worth saving. Also, this
might be an
opportune time for someone to buy the Freedom Yachts name.
Any
takers? Mark Edwards— In FreedomOwnersGroup@ <mailto:FreedomOwne rsGroup%
40yahoogroups. com>
yahoogroups. com, “michel.capel”
<michel.capel@ > wrote:Indeed sad. Do you know if the molds (moulds?) of the
sailboats
still
exist?Michel
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@ <mailto:FreedomOwne rsGroup%
40yahoogroups. com>
yahoogroups. com, “Geoffrey Schultz”
<geoff.freedom@ > wrote:Maybe I’ve missed it, but I haven’t seen any discussion
about
Freedom/Legacy going out of business. They closed their
doors
over a
month ago. All of the staff is gone and the contents of
the
factory
has been purchased by the owner of the building.Sad…
– Geoff
Yahoo! Groups Links
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Posted by Skipper Skip (skipperf33@…>)
Roger, what a great idea! Being on the west coast, I can¢t be of much help, but I sure hope someone back there will pick up the ball on this!
Skip
1982 F33CK, Fixed Shoal Keel
Southern CA.— On Thu, 11/20/08, Roger L. <rogerlov@…> wrote:
From: Roger L. <rogerlov@…>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom Out of BusinessTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comDate: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 5:09 AM
I think that someone ought to make a concerted effort to saveall that documentation. Do you have any suggestions as to whereto start? Is there an owner’s organization with a library?Perhaps the company would donate or allow copies…Roger----- Original Message -----From: “Mark Edwards” <markedwards55@ yahoo.com>To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com>Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:46 AMSubject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Freedom Out of Business> When I left the company in December of 2005, the plans for allthe> older and newer Freedoms were in flat file drawers and stillin> storage. There were also red binders on each Freedom modelthat I> had created when managing customer service that
containedbills of> materials, parts and rigging lists, and diagrams I had founduseful> in advising Freedom owners over the years. My guess is thoseand the> prints are still available at the factory and would be a partof the> package if someone bought the name. Mark Edwards>> — In FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com, “Robert”<robert@…>> wrote:> >> > Mark> >> > What has happenend to the drawings and documentation on theFreedom> sailboat> > product?> >> > Robert> >> > _____> >> > From: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com> > [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf OfMark> Edwards> > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:25 PM> > To: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com> > Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Freedom Out of Business> >> >> >> > Michel,> >> > The Freedom sailboat molds have been cut up some time ago.They had> > been stored outdoors and fell into disrepair. I believe ifyou are> > interested in acquiring a couple of Legacy power boat moldsthe> > Legacy 32 and the Legacy 42 molds might still be available.These> > are both excellent designs and worth saving. Also, thismight be an> > opportune time for someone to buy the Freedom
Yachts name.Any> > takers? Mark Edwards> >> > — In FreedomOwnersGroup@ <mailto:FreedomOwne rsGroup%> 40yahoogroups. com>> > yahoogroups. com, “michel.capel”> > <michel.capel@ > wrote:> > >> > > Indeed sad. Do you know if the molds (moulds?) of thesailboats> > still> > > exist?> > >> > > Michel> > >> > >> > > — In FreedomOwnersGroup@ <mailto:FreedomOwne rsGroup%> 40yahoogroups. com>> > yahoogroups. com, “Geoffrey Schultz”> > > <geoff.freedom@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > Maybe I’ve missed it, but I haven’t seen any discussionabout> > > > Freedom/Legacy going out of business. They closed theirdoors> > over a> > > > month ago. All of the staff is
gone and the contents ofthe> > factory> > > > has been purchased by the owner of the building.> > > >> > > > Sad…> > > >> > > > – Geoff> > > >> > >> >>>>> ------------ --------- --------- ------>> Yahoo! Groups Links>>>
Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)
If it would help somebody in the vicinity of RI to get hold of the
original documentation, I would be prepared to pay to get all the
original F44 documents. I live in Europe, so I can’t be of much help
organizing the deal. If I would have the docs, of course I would
publish everything on the web.
Perhaps this helps.
Michel
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, Skipper Skip
<skipperf33@…> wrote:
Roger, what a great idea! Being on the west coast, I can�t be of
much help, but I sure hope someone back there will pick up the ball on
this!
�
Skip
1982 F33CK, Fixed Shoal Keel
Southern CA.— On Thu, 11/20/08, Roger L. <rogerlov@…> wrote:
From: Roger L. <rogerlov@…>
Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Freedom Out of Business
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 5:09 AMI think that someone ought to make a concerted effort to save
all that documentation. Do you have any suggestions as to where
to start? Is there an owner’s organization with a library?
Perhaps the company would donate or allow copies…
Roger----- Original Message -----
From: “Mark Edwards” <markedwards55@ yahoo.com>
To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:46 AM
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Freedom Out of BusinessWhen I left the company in December of 2005, the plans for all
the
older and newer Freedoms were in flat file drawers and still
in
storage. There were also red binders on each Freedom model
that I
had created when managing customer service that contained
bills of
materials, parts and rigging lists, and diagrams I had found
useful
in advising Freedom owners over the years. My guess is those
and the
prints are still available at the factory and would be a part
of the
package if someone bought the name. Mark Edwards— In FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com, “Robert”
<robert@>
wrote:Mark
What has happenend to the drawings and documentation on the
Freedom
sailboat
product?Robert
From: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Mark
Edwards
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:25 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Freedom Out of BusinessMichel,
The Freedom sailboat molds have been cut up some time ago.
They had
been stored outdoors and fell into disrepair. I believe if
you are
interested in acquiring a couple of Legacy power boat molds
the
Legacy 32 and the Legacy 42 molds might still be available.
These
are both excellent designs and worth saving. Also, this
might be an
opportune time for someone to buy the Freedom Yachts name.
Any
takers? Mark Edwards— In FreedomOwnersGroup@ <mailto:FreedomOwne rsGroup%
40yahoogroups. com>
yahoogroups. com, “michel.capel”
<michel.capel@ > wrote:Indeed sad. Do you know if the molds (moulds?) of the
sailboats
still
exist?Michel
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@ <mailto:FreedomOwne rsGroup%
40yahoogroups. com>
yahoogroups. com, “Geoffrey Schultz”
<geoff.freedom@ > wrote:Maybe I’ve missed it, but I haven’t seen any discussion
about
Freedom/Legacy going out of business. They closed their
doors
over a
month ago. All of the staff is gone and the contents of
the
factory
has been purchased by the owner of the building.Sad…
– Geoff
Yahoo! Groups Links