Posted by John Jones (a1john@…>)
Hi Freedom Lovers: Has anyone experience with the G 10 sail plan?
I am still considering replacing my F33 Cat Ketch wrap around sails.
Thanks John Jones-1982 hull#55-Lady Marion
Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)
Hmm… What’s a G10 sail plan?
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones” <a1john@…>
wrote:
Hi Freedom Lovers: Has anyone experience with the G 10 sail plan?
I am still considering replacing my F33 Cat Ketch wrap around sails.
Thanks John Jones-1982 hull#55-Lady Marion
Posted by geraldfreshwater (freshwater@…>)
Is this the system Gio Schouten had on his UK built F35 CK “Samiel”? He sent out
some
data and pictures which look very interesting, but seem to cause some
compression
loading on the mast. The advantage was full length battens giving a big roach on
the sails,
retaining the wishbones, and not needing a sailtrack to be nailed to the mast.
There was
some correspondence about it last year, I think, but there was a problem with
putting the
pictures into the files at that time.
I suspect Gio is the only person with any great experience of this sailplan,
although
apparently quite a few others have seen it from well astern!
Gerald Freshwater
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley” <lance_ryley@…> wrote:
Hmm… What’s a G10 sail plan?
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones” <a1john@>
wrote:Hi Freedom Lovers: Has anyone experience with the G 10 sail plan?
I am still considering replacing my F33 Cat Ketch wrap around sails.
Thanks John Jones-1982 hull#55-Lady Marion
Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)
Found this on the web…
http://www.200myls.nl/verslag/versl-2002-schouten.htm
looks like conventional booms
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
<freshwater@…> wrote:
Is this the system Gio Schouten had on his UK built F35
CK “Samiel”? He sent out some
data and pictures which look very interesting, but seem to cause
some compression
loading on the mast. The advantage was full length battens giving
a big roach on the sails,
retaining the wishbones, and not needing a sailtrack to be nailed
to the mast. There was
some correspondence about it last year, I think, but there was a
problem with putting the
pictures into the files at that time.I suspect Gio is the only person with any great experience of this
sailplan, although
apparently quite a few others have seen it from well astern!Gerald Freshwater
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@> wrote:Hmm… What’s a G10 sail plan?
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones” <a1john@>
wrote:Hi Freedom Lovers: Has anyone experience with the G 10 sail
plan?
I am still considering replacing my F33 Cat Ketch wrap around
sails.
Thanks John Jones-1982 hull#55-Lady Marion
Posted by geraldfreshwater (freshwater@…>)
That boat is a Freedom 40 or 44, I think, which is his current boat. I have
taken the liberty
of putting a picture in the “miscellaneous” album, of “Samiel” on a run. I’m
sure he’ll give
more info when he is next on the bulletin board, as he is a frequent and
knowledgable
contributor.
Gerald
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin” <dave_benjamin@…>
wrote:
Found this on the web…
http://www.200myls.nl/verslag/versl-2002-schouten.htmlooks like conventional booms
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
<freshwater@> wrote:Is this the system Gio Schouten had on his UK built F35
CK “Samiel”? He sent out some
data and pictures which look very interesting, but seem to cause
some compression
loading on the mast. The advantage was full length battens giving
a big roach on the sails,
retaining the wishbones, and not needing a sailtrack to be nailed
to the mast. There was
some correspondence about it last year, I think, but there was a
problem with putting the
pictures into the files at that time.I suspect Gio is the only person with any great experience of this
sailplan, although
apparently quite a few others have seen it from well astern!Gerald Freshwater
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@> wrote:Hmm… What’s a G10 sail plan?
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones” <a1john@>
wrote:Hi Freedom Lovers: Has anyone experience with the G 10 sail
plan?
I am still considering replacing my F33 Cat Ketch wrap around
sails.
Thanks John Jones-1982 hull#55-Lady Marion
Posted by John Jones (a1john@…>)
The G10 sail plan is illustrated in the files section of this Freedom
Group and in the Freedom 44 group site.
John Jones
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
<freshwater@…> wrote:
That boat is a Freedom 40 or 44, I think, which is his current boat.
I have taken the liberty
of putting a picture in the “miscellaneous” album, of “Samiel” on a
run. I’m sure he’ll give
more info when he is next on the bulletin board, as he is a frequent
and knowledgable
contributor.Gerald
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@>
wrote:Found this on the web…
http://www.200myls.nl/verslag/versl-2002-schouten.htmlooks like conventional booms
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
<freshwater@> wrote:Is this the system Gio Schouten had on his UK built F35
CK “Samiel”? He sent out some
data and pictures which look very interesting, but seem to cause
some compression
loading on the mast. The advantage was full length battens giving
a big roach on the sails,
retaining the wishbones, and not needing a sailtrack to be nailed
to the mast. There was
some correspondence about it last year, I think, but there was a
problem with putting the
pictures into the files at that time.I suspect Gio is the only person with any great experience of this
sailplan, although
apparently quite a few others have seen it from well astern!Gerald Freshwater
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@> wrote:Hmm… What’s a G10 sail plan?
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones” <a1john@>
wrote:Hi Freedom Lovers: Has anyone experience with the G 10 sail
plan?
I am still considering replacing my F33 Cat Ketch wrap around
sails.
Thanks John Jones-1982 hull#55-Lady Marion
Posted by roos8897 (rcroos@…>)
I am the new owner of “Samiel” for the last four years and very happy
with the new G10 sailplan, the rig stands beautiful and she sails quite
fast. the G10 plan has now been copied by another freedom owner in
holland and I am very curious of his experience handling the sails… if
you have specific questions please let me know . Rudy F35cb
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones” <a1john@…> wrote:
The G10 sail plan is illustrated in the files section of this Freedom
Group and in the Freedom 44 group site.
John Jones— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
freshwater@ wrote:That boat is a Freedom 40 or 44, I think, which is his current boat.
I have taken the liberty
of putting a picture in the “miscellaneous” album, of “Samiel” on a
run. I’m sure he’ll give
more info when he is next on the bulletin board, as he is a frequent
and knowledgable
contributor.Gerald
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@>
wrote:Found this on the web…
http://www.200myls.nl/verslag/versl-2002-schouten.htmlooks like conventional booms
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
<freshwater@> wrote:Is this the system Gio Schouten had on his UK built F35
CK “Samiel”? He sent out some
data and pictures which look very interesting, but seem to cause
some compression
loading on the mast. The advantage was full length battens
giving
a big roach on the sails,
retaining the wishbones, and not needing a sailtrack to be
nailed
to the mast. There was
some correspondence about it last year, I think, but there was a
problem with putting the
pictures into the files at that time.I suspect Gio is the only person with any great experience of
this
sailplan, although
apparently quite a few others have seen it from well astern!Gerald Freshwater
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@> wrote:Hmm… What’s a G10 sail plan?
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones”
<a1john@>
wrote:Hi Freedom Lovers: Has anyone experience with the G 10 sail
plan?
I am still considering replacing my F33 Cat Ketch wrap
around
sails.
Thanks John Jones-1982 hull#55-Lady Marion
Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)
That’s a pretty interesting rig. It wouldn’t work for Bright Star -
she’s got a radar on the mizzen and a deck/steaming light on the
main, but it’s pretty obvious what the advantages of a system like
that is. Very nice.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “roos8897” <rcroos@…>
wrote:
I am the new owner of “Samiel” for the last four years and very
happy
with the new G10 sailplan, the rig stands beautiful and she sails
quite
fast. the G10 plan has now been copied by another freedom owner in
holland and I am very curious of his experience handling the
sails… if
you have specific questions please let me know . Rudy F35cbfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones” <a1john@> wrote:
The G10 sail plan is illustrated in the files section of this
Freedom
Group and in the Freedom 44 group site.
John Jones— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
freshwater@ wrote:That boat is a Freedom 40 or 44, I think, which is his current
boat.
I have taken the liberty
of putting a picture in the “miscellaneous” album, of “Samiel”
on a
run. I’m sure he’ll give
more info when he is next on the bulletin board, as he is a
frequent
and knowledgable
contributor.Gerald
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@>
wrote:Found this on the web…
http://www.200myls.nl/verslag/versl-2002-schouten.htmlooks like conventional booms
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
<freshwater@> wrote:Is this the system Gio Schouten had on his UK built F35
CK “Samiel”? He sent out some
data and pictures which look very interesting, but seem to
cause
some compression
loading on the mast. The advantage was full length battens
giving
a big roach on the sails,
retaining the wishbones, and not needing a sailtrack to be
nailed
to the mast. There was
some correspondence about it last year, I think, but there
was a
problem with putting the
pictures into the files at that time.I suspect Gio is the only person with any great experience
of
this
sailplan, although
apparently quite a few others have seen it from well
astern!Gerald Freshwater
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@> wrote:Hmm… What’s a G10 sail plan?
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones”
<a1john@>
wrote:Hi Freedom Lovers: Has anyone experience with the G 10
sail
plan?
I am still considering replacing my F33 Cat Ketch wrap
around
sails.
Thanks John Jones-1982 hull#55-Lady Marion
Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)
We had a Freedom race here in the NL’s last summer, and Samiel with
her G10 rig almost sailed away from the two F44’s in the party. This
G10 rig really goes like stink!
Michel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
<freshwater@…> wrote:
Is this the system Gio Schouten had on his UK built F35
CK “Samiel”? He sent out some
data and pictures which look very interesting, but seem to cause
some compression
loading on the mast. The advantage was full length battens giving
a big roach on the sails,
retaining the wishbones, and not needing a sailtrack to be nailed
to the mast. There was
some correspondence about it last year, I think, but there was a
problem with putting the
pictures into the files at that time.I suspect Gio is the only person with any great experience of this
sailplan, although
apparently quite a few others have seen it from well astern!Gerald Freshwater
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@> wrote:Hmm… What’s a G10 sail plan?
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones” <a1john@>
wrote:Hi Freedom Lovers: Has anyone experience with the G 10 sail
plan?
I am still considering replacing my F33 Cat Ketch wrap around
sails.
Thanks John Jones-1982 hull#55-Lady Marion
Posted by John Jones (a1john@…>)
Your posting is much appreciated. I have a question about how the
wishbone is “hung” from the mast and sail. On my U.S. F33, 1982,#55,
a rope “girdel” extends from the left front (port) of the wishbone,
back thru a gromet in the wrap-around sail, around the rear of the
mast and then foreward thru a gromet on the right side and then out to
tie on the right front of the wishbone. Sounds complicated but is
very simple and I think a better system than used sails I have seen
from the similar U.K. F35 rig. Hoisting the sail also lifts the
wishbone about two feet or so. I have no problems with this wishbone
system in use for the last 16 years. I can conceive of adapting the
G 10 rig to this type of system but what you are using may be better?
So, please, a description and clarification. I am reluctant to
drill any new holes in the masts unless desperate. Thanks, John Jones
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “roos8897” <rcroos@…> wrote:
I am the new owner of “Samiel” for the last four years and very happy
with the new G10 sailplan, the rig stands beautiful and she sails quite
fast. the G10 plan has now been copied by another freedom owner in
holland and I am very curious of his experience handling the sails… if
you have specific questions please let me know . Rudy F35cbfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones” <a1john@> wrote:
The G10 sail plan is illustrated in the files section of this Freedom
Group and in the Freedom 44 group site.
John Jones— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
freshwater@ wrote:That boat is a Freedom 40 or 44, I think, which is his current boat.
I have taken the liberty
of putting a picture in the “miscellaneous” album, of “Samiel” on a
run. I’m sure he’ll give
more info when he is next on the bulletin board, as he is a frequent
and knowledgable
contributor.Gerald
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@>
wrote:Found this on the web…
http://www.200myls.nl/verslag/versl-2002-schouten.htmlooks like conventional booms
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
<freshwater@> wrote:Is this the system Gio Schouten had on his UK built F35
CK “Samiel”? He sent out some
data and pictures which look very interesting, but seem to cause
some compression
loading on the mast. The advantage was full length battens
giving
a big roach on the sails,
retaining the wishbones, and not needing a sailtrack to be
nailed
to the mast. There was
some correspondence about it last year, I think, but there was a
problem with putting the
pictures into the files at that time.I suspect Gio is the only person with any great experience of
this
sailplan, although
apparently quite a few others have seen it from well astern!Gerald Freshwater
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@> wrote:Hmm… What’s a G10 sail plan?
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones”
<a1john@>
wrote:Hi Freedom Lovers: Has anyone experience with the G 10 sail
plan?
I am still considering replacing my F33 Cat Ketch wrap
around
sails.
Thanks John Jones-1982 hull#55-Lady Marion
Posted by roos8897 (rcroos@…>)
John,if I understand the situation correctly , you have fixed to
wishbone at a specific height and by hoisting the sail the wishbone
is automatically hoisted aswel to reflect the correct angle of the
wishbone. The only thing that is different is the fact that by means
of a block(on the mast)connected at the point were the wishbone rope
is hoisted, I can either hoist or lower the wishbone directly from
the cockpit.I hope this makes some sense.
Rudy
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones” <a1john@…>
wrote:
Your posting is much appreciated. I have a question about how the
wishbone is “hung” from the mast and sail. On my U.S. F33,
1982,#55,
a rope “girdel” extends from the left front (port) of the wishbone,
back thru a gromet in the wrap-around sail, around the rear of the
mast and then foreward thru a gromet on the right side and then
out to
tie on the right front of the wishbone. Sounds complicated but is
very simple and I think a better system than used sails I have seen
from the similar U.K. F35 rig. Hoisting the sail also lifts the
wishbone about two feet or so. I have no problems with this
wishbone
system in use for the last 16 years. I can conceive of adapting
the
G 10 rig to this type of system but what you are using may be
better?
So, please, a description and clarification. I am reluctant to
drill any new holes in the masts unless desperate. Thanks, John
Jones— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “roos8897” <rcroos@>
wrote:I am the new owner of “Samiel” for the last four years and very
happy
with the new G10 sailplan, the rig stands beautiful and she
sails quite
fast. the G10 plan has now been copied by another freedom owner
in
holland and I am very curious of his experience handling the
sails… if
you have specific questions please let me know . Rudy F35cbfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones” <a1john@> wrote:
The G10 sail plan is illustrated in the files section of this
Freedom
Group and in the Freedom 44 group site.
John Jones— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
freshwater@ wrote:That boat is a Freedom 40 or 44, I think, which is his
current boat.
I have taken the liberty
of putting a picture in the “miscellaneous” album,
of “Samiel” on a
run. I’m sure he’ll give
more info when he is next on the bulletin board, as he is a
frequent
and knowledgable
contributor.Gerald
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@>
wrote:Found this on the web…
http://www.200myls.nl/verslag/versl-2002-schouten.htmlooks like conventional booms
— In
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
<freshwater@> wrote:Is this the system Gio Schouten had on his UK built F35
CK “Samiel”? He sent out some
data and pictures which look very interesting, but seem
to cause
some compression
loading on the mast. The advantage was full length
battens
giving
a big roach on the sails,
retaining the wishbones, and not needing a sailtrack to
be
nailed
to the mast. There was
some correspondence about it last year, I think, but
there was a
problem with putting the
pictures into the files at that time.I suspect Gio is the only person with any great
experience of
this
sailplan, although
apparently quite a few others have seen it from well
astern!Gerald Freshwater
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@> wrote:Hmm… What’s a G10 sail plan?
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones”
<a1john@>
wrote:Hi Freedom Lovers: Has anyone experience with the G
10 sail
plan?
I am still considering replacing my F33 Cat Ketch
wrap
around
sails.
Thanks John Jones-1982 hull#55-Lady Marion
Posted by John Jones (a1john@…>)
Rudy, Thanks for reply. I can do that likewise and it also now
becomes clear how the reefing system will work. Sounds like a great
system and now all I have to do is locate a sail-maker willing to
venture into the “unknown”. If you have the actual dimensions of
your luff and foot (all eye to eye), batten lengths, and height of
first batten above the “tack” it would be very helpful. I can scale
the info from drawings and pics but am unclear about your UK built 35
luff as a starting point. John
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “roos8897” <rcroos@…> wrote:
John,if I understand the situation correctly , you have fixed to
wishbone at a specific height and by hoisting the sail the wishbone
is automatically hoisted aswel to reflect the correct angle of the
wishbone. The only thing that is different is the fact that by means
of a block(on the mast)connected at the point were the wishbone rope
is hoisted, I can either hoist or lower the wishbone directly from
the cockpit.I hope this makes some sense.
Rudy— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones” <a1john@>
wrote:Your posting is much appreciated. I have a question about how the
wishbone is “hung” from the mast and sail. On my U.S. F33,
1982,#55,
a rope “girdel” extends from the left front (port) of the wishbone,
back thru a gromet in the wrap-around sail, around the rear of the
mast and then foreward thru a gromet on the right side and then
out to
tie on the right front of the wishbone. Sounds complicated but is
very simple and I think a better system than used sails I have seen
from the similar U.K. F35 rig. Hoisting the sail also lifts the
wishbone about two feet or so. I have no problems with this
wishbone
system in use for the last 16 years. I can conceive of adapting
the
G 10 rig to this type of system but what you are using may be
better?
So, please, a description and clarification. I am reluctant to
drill any new holes in the masts unless desperate. Thanks, John
Jones— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “roos8897” <rcroos@>
wrote:I am the new owner of “Samiel” for the last four years and very
happy
with the new G10 sailplan, the rig stands beautiful and she
sails quite
fast. the G10 plan has now been copied by another freedom owner
in
holland and I am very curious of his experience handling the
sails… if
you have specific questions please let me know . Rudy F35cbfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones” <a1john@> wrote:
The G10 sail plan is illustrated in the files section of this
Freedom
Group and in the Freedom 44 group site.
John Jones— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
freshwater@ wrote:That boat is a Freedom 40 or 44, I think, which is his
current boat.
I have taken the liberty
of putting a picture in the “miscellaneous” album,
of “Samiel” on a
run. I’m sure he’ll give
more info when he is next on the bulletin board, as he is a
frequent
and knowledgable
contributor.Gerald
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@>
wrote:Found this on the web…
http://www.200myls.nl/verslag/versl-2002-schouten.htmlooks like conventional booms
— In
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
<freshwater@> wrote:Is this the system Gio Schouten had on his UK built F35
CK “Samiel”? He sent out some
data and pictures which look very interesting, but seem
to cause
some compression
loading on the mast. The advantage was full length
battens
giving
a big roach on the sails,
retaining the wishbones, and not needing a sailtrack to
be
nailed
to the mast. There was
some correspondence about it last year, I think, but
there was a
problem with putting the
pictures into the files at that time.I suspect Gio is the only person with any great
experience of
this
sailplan, although
apparently quite a few others have seen it from well
astern!Gerald Freshwater
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@> wrote:Hmm… What’s a G10 sail plan?
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones”
<a1john@>
wrote:Hi Freedom Lovers: Has anyone experience with the G
10 sail
plan?
I am still considering replacing my F33 Cat Ketch
wrap
around
sails.
Thanks John Jones-1982 hull#55-Lady Marion
Posted by roos8897 (rcroos@…>)
john, unfortuanately i dont have those particulars and the sailmaker
that does have them went out of business a year ago.(Murphy’s law I
guess)
there is one alternative the friend that copied G10 sail this year
probably has these facts i will check with him .will let you know
soonest Rudy
[— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones”
<a1john@…> wrote:
Rudy, Thanks for reply. I can do that likewise and it also now
becomes clear how the reefing system will work. Sounds like a
great
system and now all I have to do is locate a sail-maker willing to
venture into the “unknown”. If you have the actual dimensions of
your luff and foot (all eye to eye), batten lengths, and height of
first batten above the “tack” it would be very helpful. I can
scale
the info from drawings and pics but am unclear about your UK built
35
luff as a starting point. John— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “roos8897” <rcroos@>
wrote:John,if I understand the situation correctly , you have fixed to
wishbone at a specific height and by hoisting the sail the
wishbone
is automatically hoisted aswel to reflect the correct angle of
the
wishbone. The only thing that is different is the fact that by
means
of a block(on the mast)connected at the point were the wishbone
rope
is hoisted, I can either hoist or lower the wishbone directly
from
the cockpit.I hope this makes some sense.
Rudy— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones” <a1john@>
wrote:Your posting is much appreciated. I have a question about how
the
wishbone is “hung” from the mast and sail. On my U.S. F33,
1982,#55,
a rope “girdel” extends from the left front (port) of the
wishbone,
back thru a gromet in the wrap-around sail, around the rear of
the
mast and then foreward thru a gromet on the right side and
then
out to
tie on the right front of the wishbone. Sounds complicated
but is
very simple and I think a better system than used sails I have
seen
from the similar U.K. F35 rig. Hoisting the sail also lifts
the
wishbone about two feet or so. I have no problems with this
wishbone
system in use for the last 16 years. I can conceive of
adapting
the
G 10 rig to this type of system but what you are using may be
better?
So, please, a description and clarification. I am reluctant
to
drill any new holes in the masts unless desperate. Thanks,
John
Jones— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “roos8897” <rcroos@>
wrote:I am the new owner of “Samiel” for the last four years and
very
happy
with the new G10 sailplan, the rig stands beautiful and she
sails quite
fast. the G10 plan has now been copied by another freedom
owner
in
holland and I am very curious of his experience handling the
sails… if
you have specific questions please let me know . Rudy F35cbfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones” <a1john@>
wrote:The G10 sail plan is illustrated in the files section of
this
Freedom
Group and in the Freedom 44 group site.
John Jones— In
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
freshwater@ wrote:That boat is a Freedom 40 or 44, I think, which is his
current boat.
I have taken the liberty
of putting a picture in the “miscellaneous” album,
of “Samiel” on a
run. I’m sure he’ll give
more info when he is next on the bulletin board, as he
is a
frequent
and knowledgable
contributor.Gerald
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@>
wrote:Found this on the web…
http://www.200myls.nl/verslag/versl-2002-schouten.htmlooks like conventional booms
— In
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
<freshwater@> wrote:Is this the system Gio Schouten had on his UK built
F35
CK “Samiel”? He sent out some
data and pictures which look very interesting, but
seem
to cause
some compression
loading on the mast. The advantage was full length
battens
giving
a big roach on the sails,
retaining the wishbones, and not needing a sailtrack
to
be
nailed
to the mast. There was
some correspondence about it last year, I think, but
there was a
problem with putting the
pictures into the files at that time.I suspect Gio is the only person with any great
experience of
this
sailplan, although
apparently quite a few others have seen it from well
astern!Gerald Freshwater
— In
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@> wrote:Hmm… What’s a G10 sail plan?
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John
Jones”
<a1john@>
wrote:Hi Freedom Lovers: Has anyone experience with
the G
10 sail
plan?
I am still considering replacing my F33 Cat
Ketch
wrap
around
sails.
Thanks John Jones-1982 hull#55-Lady Marion
Posted by John Jones (a1john@…>)
Hi Freedom Lovers: Rudy has graciously provided some much needed
info and clarification and I can’t thank him enough. But, has anyone
here in the U.S. of A. tried this G10 system or can add first hand
knowledge or know where I can see the rig? I intend to proceed with
such a sailplan after most of our hurricane season is over. John Jones
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “roos8897” <rcroos@…> wrote:
john, unfortuanately i dont have those particulars and the sailmaker
that does have them went out of business a year ago.(Murphy’s law I
guess)
there is one alternative the friend that copied G10 sail this year
probably has these facts i will check with him .will let you know
soonest Rudy[— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones”
<a1john@> wrote:Rudy, Thanks for reply. I can do that likewise and it also now
becomes clear how the reefing system will work. Sounds like a
great
system and now all I have to do is locate a sail-maker willing to
venture into the “unknown”. If you have the actual dimensions of
your luff and foot (all eye to eye), batten lengths, and height of
first batten above the “tack” it would be very helpful. I can
scale
the info from drawings and pics but am unclear about your UK built
35
luff as a starting point. John— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “roos8897” <rcroos@>
wrote:John,if I understand the situation correctly , you have fixed to
wishbone at a specific height and by hoisting the sail the
wishbone
is automatically hoisted aswel to reflect the correct angle of
the
wishbone. The only thing that is different is the fact that by
means
of a block(on the mast)connected at the point were the wishbone
rope
is hoisted, I can either hoist or lower the wishbone directly
from
the cockpit.I hope this makes some sense.
Rudy— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones” <a1john@>
wrote:Your posting is much appreciated. I have a question about how
the
wishbone is “hung” from the mast and sail. On my U.S. F33,
1982,#55,
a rope “girdel” extends from the left front (port) of the
wishbone,
back thru a gromet in the wrap-around sail, around the rear of
the
mast and then foreward thru a gromet on the right side and
then
out to
tie on the right front of the wishbone. Sounds complicated
but is
very simple and I think a better system than used sails I have
seen
from the similar U.K. F35 rig. Hoisting the sail also lifts
the
wishbone about two feet or so. I have no problems with this
wishbone
system in use for the last 16 years. I can conceive of
adapting
the
G 10 rig to this type of system but what you are using may be
better?
So, please, a description and clarification. I am reluctant
to
drill any new holes in the masts unless desperate. Thanks,
John
Jones— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “roos8897” <rcroos@>
wrote:I am the new owner of “Samiel” for the last four years and
very
happy
with the new G10 sailplan, the rig stands beautiful and she
sails quite
fast. the G10 plan has now been copied by another freedom
owner
in
holland and I am very curious of his experience handling the
sails… if
you have specific questions please let me know . Rudy F35cbfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones” <a1john@>
wrote:The G10 sail plan is illustrated in the files section of
this
Freedom
Group and in the Freedom 44 group site.
John Jones— In
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
freshwater@ wrote:That boat is a Freedom 40 or 44, I think, which is his
current boat.
I have taken the liberty
of putting a picture in the “miscellaneous” album,
of “Samiel” on a
run. I’m sure he’ll give
more info when he is next on the bulletin board, as he
is a
frequent
and knowledgable
contributor.Gerald
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@>
wrote:Found this on the web…
http://www.200myls.nl/verslag/versl-2002-schouten.htmlooks like conventional booms
— In
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
<freshwater@> wrote:Is this the system Gio Schouten had on his UK built
F35
CK “Samiel”? He sent out some
data and pictures which look very interesting, but
seem
to cause
some compression
loading on the mast. The advantage was full length
battens
giving
a big roach on the sails,
retaining the wishbones, and not needing a sailtrack
to
be
nailed
to the mast. There was
some correspondence about it last year, I think, but
there was a
problem with putting the
pictures into the files at that time.I suspect Gio is the only person with any great
experience of
this
sailplan, although
apparently quite a few others have seen it from well
astern!Gerald Freshwater
— In
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@> wrote:Hmm… What’s a G10 sail plan?
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John
Jones”
<a1john@>
wrote:Hi Freedom Lovers: Has anyone experience with
the G
10 sail
plan?
I am still considering replacing my F33 Cat
Ketch
wrap
around
sails.
Thanks John Jones-1982 hull#55-Lady Marion
Posted by roos8897 (rcroos@…>)
John, I have posted some images to give you an impression, I will
try to obtain some detailed images Rudy
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones” <a1john@…> wrote:
Hi Freedom Lovers: Rudy has graciously provided some much needed
info and clarification and I can’t thank him enough. But, has
anyone
here in the U.S. of A. tried this G10 system or can add first hand
knowledge or know where I can see the rig? I intend to proceed
with
such a sailplan after most of our hurricane season is over. John
Jones— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “roos8897” <rcroos@>
wrote:john, unfortuanately i dont have those particulars and the
sailmaker
that does have them went out of business a year ago.(Murphy’s
law I
guess)
there is one alternative the friend that copied G10 sail this
year
probably has these facts i will check with him .will let you
know
soonest Rudy[— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones”
<a1john@> wrote:Rudy, Thanks for reply. I can do that likewise and it also
now
becomes clear how the reefing system will work. Sounds like
a
great
system and now all I have to do is locate a sail-maker willing
to
venture into the “unknown”. If you have the actual
dimensions of
your luff and foot (all eye to eye), batten lengths, and
height of
first batten above the “tack” it would be very helpful. I can
scale
the info from drawings and pics but am unclear about your UK
built
35
luff as a starting point. John— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “roos8897” <rcroos@>
wrote:John,if I understand the situation correctly , you have
fixed to
wishbone at a specific height and by hoisting the sail the
wishbone
is automatically hoisted aswel to reflect the correct angle
of
the
wishbone. The only thing that is different is the fact that
by
means
of a block(on the mast)connected at the point were the
wishbone
rope
is hoisted, I can either hoist or lower the wishbone
directly
from
the cockpit.I hope this makes some sense.
Rudy— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones”
<a1john@>
wrote:Your posting is much appreciated. I have a question about
how
the
wishbone is “hung” from the mast and sail. On my U.S.
F33,
1982,#55,
a rope “girdel” extends from the left front (port) of the
wishbone,
back thru a gromet in the wrap-around sail, around the
rear of
the
mast and then foreward thru a gromet on the right side and
then
out to
tie on the right front of the wishbone. Sounds
complicated
but is
very simple and I think a better system than used sails I
have
seen
from the similar U.K. F35 rig. Hoisting the sail also
lifts
the
wishbone about two feet or so. I have no problems with
this
wishbone
system in use for the last 16 years. I can conceive of
adapting
the
G 10 rig to this type of system but what you are using may
be
better?
So, please, a description and clarification. I am
reluctant
to
drill any new holes in the masts unless desperate.
Thanks,
John
Jones— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “roos8897”
<rcroos@>
wrote:I am the new owner of “Samiel” for the last four years
and
very
happy
with the new G10 sailplan, the rig stands beautiful and
she
sails quite
fast. the G10 plan has now been copied by another
freedom
owner
in
holland and I am very curious of his experience handling
the
sails… if
you have specific questions please let me know . Rudy
F35cbfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones”
<a1john@>
wrote:The G10 sail plan is illustrated in the files section
of
this
Freedom
Group and in the Freedom 44 group site.
John Jones— In
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
freshwater@ wrote:That boat is a Freedom 40 or 44, I think, which is
his
current boat.
I have taken the liberty
of putting a picture in the “miscellaneous” album,
of “Samiel” on a
run. I’m sure he’ll give
more info when he is next on the bulletin board, as
he
is a
frequent
and knowledgable
contributor.Gerald
— In
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@>
wrote:Found this on the web…
http://www.200myls.nl/verslag/versl-2002-
schouten.htmlooks like conventional booms
— In
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
<freshwater@> wrote:Is this the system Gio Schouten had on his UK
built
F35
CK “Samiel”? He sent out some
data and pictures which look very interesting,
but
seem
to cause
some compression
loading on the mast. The advantage was full
length
battens
giving
a big roach on the sails,
retaining the wishbones, and not needing a
sailtrack
to
be
nailed
to the mast. There was
some correspondence about it last year, I think,
but
there was a
problem with putting the
pictures into the files at that time.I suspect Gio is the only person with any great
experience of
this
sailplan, although
apparently quite a few others have seen it from
well
astern!Gerald Freshwater
— In
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@> wrote:Hmm… What’s a G10 sail plan?
— In
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John
Jones”
<a1john@>
wrote:Hi Freedom Lovers: Has anyone experience
with
the G
10 sail
plan?
I am still considering replacing my F33 Cat
Ketch
wrap
around
sails.
Thanks John Jones-1982 hull#55-Lady Marion
Posted by Jack George (chamela7@…>)
Hi John, Remember me, I have a printed 4pg.brosure on gio,s saill plan. I was going to have one made,but after more thought did somthing els. Iam using a soft wing on my mizzen, it has a three ft. gaff boom on top giving the sail the profile of a air plane wing. the sail wraps around the mast, and 2ft. back it has a zipper running the lingth of the sail. It sounds nuts but I have testing it and I got to tell you it workes!!! Iam still fooling around with the upper boom fitting. Ive got some photos of the wing mizzen under sail,and you can really see the differnce between the old main. Let me know if you want me to send you Gios sail plan Jack "chamela"John Jones <a1john@…> wrote: Hi Freedom Lovers: Rudy has graciously provided some much neededinfo and clarification and I can’t thank him enough. But, has
anyonehere in the U.S. of A. tried this G10 system or can add first handknowledge or know where I can see the rig? I intend to proceed withsuch a sailplan after most of our hurricane season is over. John Jones— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “roos8897” <rcroos@…> wrote:>> john, unfortuanately i dont have those particulars and the sailmaker > that does have them went out of business a year ago.(Murphy’s law I > guess)> there is one alternative the friend that copied G10 sail this year > probably has these facts i will check with him .will let you know > soonest Rudy> > [— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones” > <a1john@> wrote:> >> > Rudy, Thanks for reply. I can do that likewise and it also now> > becomes clear how the reefing system will work. Sounds like a
great> > system and now all I have to do is locate a sail-maker willing to> > venture into the “unknown”. If you have the actual dimensions of> > your luff and foot (all eye to eye), batten lengths, and height of> > first batten above the “tack” it would be very helpful. I can > scale> > the info from drawings and pics but am unclear about your UK built > 35> > luff as a starting point. John> > > > > > > > > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “roos8897” <rcroos@> > wrote:> > >> > > John,if I understand the situation correctly , you have fixed to > > > wishbone at a specific height and by hoisting the sail the > wishbone > > > is automatically hoisted aswel to reflect the correct angle of > the > > >
wishbone. The only thing that is different is the fact that by > means > > > of a block(on the mast)connected at the point were the wishbone > rope > > > is hoisted, I can either hoist or lower the wishbone directly > from > > > the cockpit.I hope this makes some sense.> > > Rudy > > > > > > > > > > > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones” <a1john@> > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Your posting is much appreciated. I have a question about how > the> > > > wishbone is “hung” from the mast and sail. On my U.S. F33, > > > 1982,#55,> > > > a rope “girdel” extends from the left front (port) of the > wishbone,> > > > back thru a gromet in the wrap-around sail, around the rear of > the> > >
mast and then foreward thru a gromet on the right side and > then > > > out to> > > > tie on the right front of the wishbone. Sounds complicated > but is> > > > very simple and I think a better system than used sails I have > seen> > > > from the similar U.K. F35 rig. Hoisting the sail also lifts > the> > > > wishbone about two feet or so. I have no problems with this > > > wishbone> > > > system in use for the last 16 years. I can conceive of > adapting > > > the> > > > G 10 rig to this type of system but what you are using may be > > > better?> > > > So, please, a description and clarification. I am reluctant > to> > > > drill any new holes in the masts unless desperate. Thanks, > JohnJones> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “roos8897” <rcroos@> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I am the new owner of “Samiel” for the last four years and > very > > > happy> > > > > with the new G10 sailplan, the rig stands beautiful and she > > > sails quite> > > > > fast. the G10 plan has now been copied by another freedom > owner > > > in> > > > > holland and I am very curious of his experience handling the > > > sails… if> > > > > you have specific questions please let me know . Rudy F35cb> > > > > > > > > >
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones” <a1john@> > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > The G10 sail plan is illustrated in the files section of > this > > > Freedom> > > > > > Group and in the Freedom 44 group site.> > > > > > John Jones> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > — In > freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”> > > > > > freshwater@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > That boat is a Freedom 40 or 44, I think, which is his
current boat.> > > > > > I have taken the liberty> > > > > > > of putting a picture in the “miscellaneous” album, > > > of “Samiel” on a> > > > > > run. I’m sure he’ll give> > > > > > > more info when he is next on the bulletin board, as he > is a > > > frequent> > > > > > and knowledgable> > > > > > > contributor.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Gerald> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin”> > > > > > <dave_benjamin@>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Found this on the web…>
http://www.200myls.nl/verslag/versl-2002-schouten.htm> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > looks like conventional booms> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > — In > > > freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”> > > > > > > > <freshwater@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Is this the system Gio Schouten had on his UK built > F35> > > > > > > > CK “Samiel”? He sent out some> > > > > > > > > data and pictures which look very interesting, but > seem > > > to cause> > > > > > > > some compression> > > > > > > >
loading on the mast. The advantage was full length > > > battens> > > > > giving> > > > > > > > a big roach on the sails,> > > > > > > > > retaining the wishbones, and not needing a sailtrack > to > > > be> > > > > nailed> > > > > > > > to the mast. There was> > > > > > > > > some correspondence about it last year, I think, but > > > there was a> > > > > > > > problem with putting the> > > > > > > > > pictures into the files at that time.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I suspect Gio is the only person with any great > > > experience of> > > > > this> > > > > > > > sailplan,
although> > > > > > > > > apparently quite a few others have seen it from well > > > astern!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Gerald Freshwater> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > — In > freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley”> > > > > > > > <lance_ryley@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Hmm… What’s a G10 sail plan?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John > Jones”> > > > > <a1john@>>
wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Freedom Lovers: Has anyone experience with > the G > > > 10 sail> > > > > > > > plan?> > > > > > > > > > > I am still considering replacing my F33 Cat > Ketch > > > wrap> > > > > around> > > > > > > > sails.> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks John Jones-1982 hull#55-Lady Marion> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >>
Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
Posted by Peter Schäfer (petersch@…>)
Hi Jack, hi all,
Would be nice if you could post the photos to the PHOTOS section of the board!
Besides: there is a F35/33 for sale in Plymouth/UK with zippered pockets around the masts. Have a look at it at boats.com. I contacted the owner some time ago and this is what he mailed to me:
…My sails are a modification to the original in that they have a zipped sleeve around the mast. This cuts down the weight aloft by almost half. I notice the difference when sailing as i have to reef less. The sail is also easier to shape using the outhaul and halyard tension as well as being much easier to stow.
I have two sets of sails, one by Dolphin Sails of the UK (on web) and one set made by a local sailmaker. In both the profile is about 2 meters so you can get “inside” the envelope to reach halyards etc - which run inside the fold. In one set the wrap is of a lighter material to make stowing even easier.
The single skin also makes reefing more effective…
May be this is of interest to some of you,
Greetings
Peter
Jack George wrote:
Hi John, Remember me, I have a printed 4pg.brosure on gio,s saill plan. I was going to have one made,but after more thought did somthing els. Iam using a soft wing on my mizzen, it has a three ft. gaff boom on top giving the sail the profile of a air plane wing. the sail wraps around the mast, and 2ft. back it has a zipper running the lingth of the sail. It sounds nuts but I have testing it and I got to tell you it workes!!! Iam still fooling around with the upper boom fitting. Ive got some photos of the wing mizzen under sail, and you can really see the differnce between the old main. Let me know if you want me to send you Gios sail plan Jack “chamela”
Posted by John Jones (a1john@…>)
Hi Jack: Nice to hear of your new soft wing. Interesting, hmm.
Please send me a copy of your G10 sailplan. I have what GIO has
posted on this group in the past. Thanks John Jones
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jack George <chamela7@…>
wrote:
Hi John, Remember me, I have a printed 4pg.brosure on gio,s saill
plan. I was going to have one made,but after more thought did somthing
els. Iam using a soft wing on my mizzen, it has a three ft. gaff boom
on top giving the sail the profile of a air plane wing. the sail wraps
around the mast, and 2ft. back it has a zipper running the lingth of
the sail. It sounds nuts but I have testing it and I got to tell you
it workes!!! Iam still fooling around with the upper boom fitting. Ive
got some photos of the wing mizzen under sail,and you can really see
the differnce between the old main. Let me know if you want me to
send you Gios sail plan Jack “chamela”John Jones <a1john@…> wrote: Hi Freedom Lovers: Rudy has
graciously provided some much needed
info and clarification and I can’t thank him enough. But, has anyone
here in the U.S. of A. tried this G10 system or can add first hand
knowledge or know where I can see the rig? I intend to proceed with
such a sailplan after most of our hurricane season is over. John Jones— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “roos8897” <rcroos@> wrote:
john, unfortuanately i dont have those particulars and the sailmaker
that does have them went out of business a year ago.(Murphy’s law I
guess)
there is one alternative the friend that copied G10 sail this year
probably has these facts i will check with him .will let you know
soonest Rudy[— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones”
<a1john@> wrote:Rudy, Thanks for reply. I can do that likewise and it also now
becomes clear how the reefing system will work. Sounds like a
great
system and now all I have to do is locate a sail-maker willing to
venture into the “unknown”. If you have the actual dimensions of
your luff and foot (all eye to eye), batten lengths, and height of
first batten above the “tack” it would be very helpful. I can
scale
the info from drawings and pics but am unclear about your UK built
35
luff as a starting point. John— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “roos8897” <rcroos@>
wrote:John,if I understand the situation correctly , you have fixed to
wishbone at a specific height and by hoisting the sail the
wishbone
is automatically hoisted aswel to reflect the correct angle of
the
wishbone. The only thing that is different is the fact that by
means
of a block(on the mast)connected at the point were the wishbone
rope
is hoisted, I can either hoist or lower the wishbone directly
from
the cockpit.I hope this makes some sense.
Rudy— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones” <a1john@>
wrote:Your posting is much appreciated. I have a question about how
the
wishbone is “hung” from the mast and sail. On my U.S. F33,
1982,#55,
a rope “girdel” extends from the left front (port) of the
wishbone,
back thru a gromet in the wrap-around sail, around the rear of
the
mast and then foreward thru a gromet on the right side and
then
out to
tie on the right front of the wishbone. Sounds complicated
but is
very simple and I think a better system than used sails I have
seen
from the similar U.K. F35 rig. Hoisting the sail also lifts
the
wishbone about two feet or so. I have no problems with this
wishbone
system in use for the last 16 years. I can conceive of
adapting
the
G 10 rig to this type of system but what you are using may be
better?
So, please, a description and clarification. I am reluctant
to
drill any new holes in the masts unless desperate. Thanks,
John
Jones— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “roos8897” <rcroos@>
wrote:I am the new owner of “Samiel” for the last four years and
very
happy
with the new G10 sailplan, the rig stands beautiful and she
sails quite
fast. the G10 plan has now been copied by another freedom
owner
in
holland and I am very curious of his experience handling the
sails… if
you have specific questions please let me know . Rudy F35cbfreedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones” <a1john@>
wrote:The G10 sail plan is illustrated in the files section of
this
Freedom
Group and in the Freedom 44 group site.
John Jones— In
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
freshwater@ wrote:That boat is a Freedom 40 or 44, I think, which is his
current boat.
I have taken the liberty
of putting a picture in the “miscellaneous” album,
of “Samiel” on a
run. I’m sure he’ll give
more info when he is next on the bulletin board, as he
is a
frequent
and knowledgable
contributor.Gerald
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@>
wrote:Found this on the web…
http://www.200myls.nl/verslag/versl-2002-schouten.htmlooks like conventional booms
— In
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater”
<freshwater@> wrote:Is this the system Gio Schouten had on his UK built
F35
CK “Samiel”? He sent out some
data and pictures which look very interesting, but
seem
to cause
some compression
loading on the mast. The advantage was full length
battens
giving
a big roach on the sails,
retaining the wishbones, and not needing a sailtrack
to
be
nailed
to the mast. There was
some correspondence about it last year, I think, but
there was a
problem with putting the
pictures into the files at that time.I suspect Gio is the only person with any great
experience of
this
sailplan, although
apparently quite a few others have seen it from well
astern!Gerald Freshwater
— In
freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@> wrote:Hmm… What’s a G10 sail plan?
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John
Jones”
<a1john@>
wrote:Hi Freedom Lovers: Has anyone experience with
the G
10 sail
plan?
I am still considering replacing my F33 Cat
Ketch
wrap
around
sails.
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Posted by Jack George (chamela7@…>)
Ok John, send me your land add. and I will send you what I have Plus a photo of what Iam doing. JackJohn Jones <a1john@…> wrote: Hi Jack: Nice to hear of your new soft wing. Interesting, hmm. Please send me a copy of your G10 sailplan. I have what GIO has posted on this group in the past. Thanks John Jones — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jack George <chamela7@…> wrote: > > Hi John, Remember me, I have a printed 4pg.brosure on gio,s saill plan. I was going to have one made,but after more thought did somthing els. Iam using a soft wing on my mizzen, it has a three ft. gaff boom on top giving the sail the profile of a air plane wing. the sail wraps around the mast, and 2ft.
back it has a zipper running the lingth of the sail. It sounds nuts but I have testing it and I got to tell you it workes!!! Iam still fooling around with the upper boom fitting. Ive got some photos of the wing mizzen under sail,and you can really see the differnce between the old main. Let me know if you want me to send you Gios sail plan Jack “chamela” > > John Jones <a1john@…> wrote: Hi Freedom Lovers: Rudy has graciously provided some much needed > info and clarification and I can’t thank him enough. But, has anyone > here in the U.S. of A. tried this G10 system or can add first hand > knowledge or know where I can see the rig? I intend to proceed with > such a sailplan after most of our hurricane season is over. John Jones > > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “roos8897” <rcroos@>
wrote: > > > > john, unfortuanately i dont have those particulars and the sailmaker > > that does have them went out of business a year ago.(Murphy’s law I > > guess) > > there is one alternative the friend that copied G10 sail this year > > probably has these facts i will check with him .will let you know > > soonest Rudy > > > > [— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones” > > <a1john@> wrote: > > > > > > Rudy, Thanks for reply. I can do that likewise and it also now > > > becomes clear how the reefing system will work. Sounds like a > > great > > > system and now all I have to do is locate a sail-maker willing to > > > venture into the “unknown”. If you have the actual dimensions of > > > your luff
and foot (all eye to eye), batten lengths, and height of > > > first batten above the “tack” it would be very helpful. I can > > scale > > > the info from drawings and pics but am unclear about your UK built > > 35 > > > luff as a starting point. John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “roos8897” <rcroos@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > John,if I understand the situation correctly , you have fixed to > > > > wishbone at a specific height and by hoisting the sail the > > wishbone > > > > is automatically hoisted aswel to reflect the correct angle of > > the > > > > wishbone. The only thing that is different is the fact that by > > means
of a block(on the mast)connected at the point were the wishbone > > rope > > > > is hoisted, I can either hoist or lower the wishbone directly > > from > > > > the cockpit.I hope this makes some sense. > > > > Rudy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones” <a1john@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Your posting is much appreciated. I have a question about how > > the > > > > > wishbone is “hung” from the mast and sail. On my U.S. F33, > > > > 1982,#55, > > > > > a rope “girdel” extends from the left front (port) of the > > wishbone, > > > > > back thru a gromet in the wrap-around sail,
around the rear of > > the > > > > > mast and then foreward thru a gromet on the right side and > > then > > > > out to > > > > > tie on the right front of the wishbone. Sounds complicated > > but is > > > > > very simple and I think a better system than used sails I have > > seen > > > > > from the similar U.K. F35 rig. Hoisting the sail also lifts > > the > > > > > wishbone about two feet or so. I have no problems with this > > > > wishbone > > > > > system in use for the last 16 years. I can conceive of > > adapting > > > > the > > > > > G 10 rig to this type of system but what you are using may be > > > > better? > > > > > So, please, a
description and clarification. I am reluctant > > to > > > > > drill any new holes in the masts unless desperate. Thanks, > > John > > > > Jones > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “roos8897” <rcroos@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the new owner of “Samiel” for the last four years and > > very > > > > happy > > > > > > with the new G10 sailplan, the rig stands beautiful and she > > > > sails quite > > > > > > fast. the G10 plan has now been copied
by another freedom > > owner > > > > in > > > > > > holland and I am very curious of his experience handling the > > > > sails… if > > > > > > you have specific questions please let me know . Rudy F35cb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John Jones” <a1john@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The G10 sail plan is illustrated in the files section of > > this > > > > Freedom > > > > > > > Group and in the Freedom 44 group site. > > > > > >
John Jones > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > — In > > freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater” > > > > > > > freshwater@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That boat is a Freedom 40 or 44, I think, which is his > > > > current boat. > > > > > > > I have taken the liberty > > > > > > > > of putting a picture in the “miscellaneous” album, > > > > of “Samiel” on a > > > > > > > run. I’m sure he’ll give > > > > > > > > more info when he is next on the bulletin board, as he > > is a > > >
frequent > > > > > > > and knowledgable > > > > > > > > contributor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gerald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin” > > > > > > > <dave_benjamin@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Found this on the web… > > > > > > > > > http://www.200myls.nl/verslag/versl-2002-schouten.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looks like conventional booms > > > >— In > > > > freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “geraldfreshwater” > > > > > > > > > <freshwater@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this the system Gio Schouten had on his UK built > > F35 > > > > > > > > > CK “Samiel”? He sent out some > > > > > > > > > > data and pictures which look very interesting, but > > seem > > > > to cause > > > > > > > > > some compression > > > > > > > > > > loading on the mast. The advantage was full length > > > > battens > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > a big roach on the
sails, > > > > > > > > > > retaining the wishbones, and not needing a sailtrack > > to > > > > be > > > > > > nailed > > > > > > > > > to the mast. There was > > > > > > > > > > some correspondence about it last year, I think, but > > > > there was a > > > > > > > > > problem with putting the > > > > > > > > > > pictures into the files at that time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect Gio is the only person with any great > > > > experience of > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > sailplan, although > > > > > > > > > > apparently quite a few others
have seen it from well > > > > astern! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gerald Freshwater > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > — In > > freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley” > > > > > > > > > <lance_ryley@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm… What’s a G10 sail plan? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > — In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “John > > Jones” > > > > > >
<a1john@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Freedom Lovers: Has anyone experience with > > the G > > > > 10 sail > > > > > > > > > plan? > > > > > > > > > > > > I am still considering replacing my F33 Cat > > Ketch > > > > wrap > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > sails. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks John Jones-1982 hull#55-Lady Marion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >SPONSORED LINKS > Sailing schools Sailing instruction Sailing lesson Sailing course Sailing adventure Sailing > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group “freedomyachts2003” on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > freedomyachts2003-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. > __________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Posted by Jack George (chamela7@…>)
Hi Peter, I was unable to locate the UK zippered boat you told me about, and I am curious to see if he used the same triangle shape. I changed the shape with a boom on top so the sail looks like one wing of a world war 2 air plane. Just did this and havent been able to really test it out having only been out once. Ive only done the mizzen and you can see the differance between the 2 sails. Iam quite excited about it as it seems to solve the full batton problem, Plus you dont get turbulance behind the mast, like you do when you go to a track one ply system.I don’t know how to post photos yet, Jack on “CHAMELA” Jacks wing sailPeter Schäfer <petersch@…> wrote:Re: G 10 Sail plan Hi Jack, hi all, Would be
nice if you could post the photos to the PHOTOS section of the board! Besides: there is a F35/33 for sale in Plymouth/UK with zippered pockets around the masts. Have a look at it at boats.com. I contacted the owner some time ago and this is what he mailed to me: …My sails are a modification to the original in that they have a zipped sleeve around the mast. This cuts down the weight aloft by almost half. I notice the difference when sailing as i have to reef less. The sail is also easier to shape using the outhaul and halyard tension as well as being much easier to stow. I have two sets of sails, one by Dolphin Sails of the UK (on web) and one set made by a local sailmaker. In both the profile is about 2 meters so you can get “inside” the
envelope to reach halyards etc - which run inside the fold. In one set the wrap is of a lighter material to make stowing even easier. The single skin also makes reefing more effective… May be this is of interest to some of you, Greetings Peter Jack George wrote: Hi John, Remember me, I have a printed 4pg.brosure on gio,s saill plan. I was going to have one made,but after more thought did somthing els. Iam using a soft wing on my mizzen, it has a three ft. gaff boom on top giving the sail the profile of a air plane wing. the sail wraps
around the mast, and 2ft. back it has a zipper running the lingth of the sail. It sounds nuts but I have testing it and I got to tell you it workes!!! Iam still fooling around with the upper boom fitting. Ive got some photos of the wing mizzen under sail, and you can really see the differnce between the old main. Let me know if you want me to send you Gios sail plan Jack “chamela”
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