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Posted by Michael Gillin (michael_w_gillin@…>)

Hi folks and Happy Holidays .

I appreciate all the feedback concerning my fuel issues .
Has anyone replaced the head and if so what do you reccomend for a
manual type. Do you know what the OEM head type ? I want to replace
with approximately the same height/depth and footprint.

Thanks

Capt Michael

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Posted by Bob (rweeks6508@…>)

I think you are looking for “buttprint” not “footprint” {:>)

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From: Michael Gillin <michael_w_gillin@…>
Date: 2007/12/19 Wed AM 11:15:51 CST
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Head Replacement


Hi folks and Happy Holidays .

I appreciate all the feedback concerning my fuel issues .
Has anyone replaced the head and if so what do you reccomend for a
manual type. Do you know what the OEM head type ? I want to replace
with approximately the same height/depth and footprint.

Thanks

Capt Michael

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Posted by Greg (gcantori@…>)

On my F39 schooner I ripped the entire hose, toilet and holding tank
setup out! Replaced it all with an Airhead composting toilet and
vented it on deck with a nicro 24/7 solar vent. I’ll never go back to
the issues of
leaking, smells, pumpouts… it really works and theres no smell
whatsoever and needs little maintainance or winterizing…just in
case you are ready for something different.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Michael Gillin”
<michael_w_gillin@…> wrote:

Hi folks and Happy Holidays .

I appreciate all the feedback concerning my fuel issues .
Has anyone replaced the head and if so what do you reccomend for a
manual type. Do you know what the OEM head type ? I want to replace
with approximately the same height/depth and footprint.

Thanks

Capt Michael

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Posted by sgaber@…> (sgaber@…>)

Been thinking about an Airhead for a year now. That’s what I plan to do on
either my present boat or any other boat I may buy.

Or both.

Steve Gaber
Sanderling, 1967 C-31 #77
Oldsmar, FL


---- Greg <gcantori@…> wrote:

On my F39 schooner I ripped the entire hose, toilet and holding tank
setup out! Replaced it all with an Airhead composting toilet and
vented it on deck with a nicro 24/7 solar vent. I’ll never go back to
the issues of
leaking, smells, pumpouts… it really works and theres no smell
whatsoever and needs little maintainance or winterizing…just in
case you are ready for something different.

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Michael Gillin”
<michael_w_gillin@…> wrote:

Hi folks and Happy Holidays .

I appreciate all the feedback concerning my fuel issues .
Has anyone replaced the head and if so what do you reccomend for a
manual type. Do you know what the OEM head type ? I want to replace
with approximately the same height/depth and footprint.

Thanks

Capt Michael

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Posted by JoanJohn@… (JoanJohn@…)


To David -

What did you do with the liquid waste that is separated (as I understand it) from the solid waste during ‘delivery’ of waste?See AOL’s top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter.

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Posted by tanton37 (davidhanson@…>)

I’m with you 100% Greg. We installed a Natures Head (competitor of the
Airhead and engineered a little better) and used it all last season on
our F28CK. I will never go back to a conventional marine head setup. No
odour, no clogs, no pumpouts, no rebuild kits, fantastic savings in
weight and space with holding tank gone. We will be installing another
on the next boat. Cheers, David

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Posted by tanton37 (davidhanson@…>)

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, JoanJohn@… wrote:

Liquids can either be dumped discretely overboard as urine is 99%
sterile and doesn’t carry the pathogens present in feces. Our jug is
sufficient capacity for two adults for about two-three days but in
reality needs to be emptied daily as it is the only cause of any odour
in the head so it has become part of our nightly routine before turning
in. The problem is with the ammonia formed by the urine which can
apparently be reduced by adding a teaspoon or two of sugar into the
jug. Makes more sense to just empty it more frequently. Don’t know how
much you know about these heads but the info about adding a coffee
filter before a bowel movement is a myth…not neccesary…the hole is
large enough and seems to be strategically placed so that we have never
had any issues with “stripes”. I was pretty squeamish about these
matters and had serious doubts about the claims of no odour but after a
season with it can assure you that the claims are indeed true. We are
in the process of building a 40’er to replace the “Kairos” and yes we
will be installing another Natures Head. If you have any further
questions, don’t hesitate to ask. Cheers, David SV Kairos F28CK
To David -

What did you do with the liquid waste that is separated (as I
understand it)
from the solid waste during ‘delivery’ of waste?

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Posted by capt.john63 (JoanJohn@…>)

Thanks Dave. I appreciate the detailed input (my kids would say it
was “TMI!”). When you have to clean ‘skid marks’ off, what is
permitted by the manufacturer?

John

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Posted by capt.john63 (JoanJohn@…>)

Hi again Dave -

Having not seen one of the dry heads up close, I am curious about how
well the liquid separating aspect works with female anatomy. Any
problems with urine going into the solid waste hole? Has your
significant other come to love the unit as much as you?

John

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Posted by sgaber@…> (sgaber@…>)

In the Airhead, liquids are collect4ed in a separate bottle that holds about a
quart. You empty it overboard (discretely, I suppose) as necessary. I’ve never
used one, but that’s what I remember from the brochure.

Steve Gaber
Sanderling, 1967 C-31 #77
Oldsmar, FL


---- “capt.john63” <JoanJohn@…> wrote:

Hi again Dave -

Having not seen one of the dry heads up close, I am curious about how
well the liquid separating aspect works with female anatomy. Any
problems with urine going into the solid waste hole? Has your
significant other come to love the unit as much as you?

John

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Posted by sgaber@…> (sgaber@…>)

In the Airhead, liquids are collect4ed in a separate bottle that holds about a
quart. You empty it overboard (discretely, I suppose) as necessary. I’ve never
used one, but that’s what I remember from the brochure.

Steve Gaber
Sanderling, 1967 C-31 #77
Oldsmar, FL


---- “capt.john63” <JoanJohn@…> wrote:

Hi again Dave -

Having not seen one of the dry heads up close, I am curious about how
well the liquid separating aspect works with female anatomy. Any
problems with urine going into the solid waste hole? Has your
significant other come to love the unit as much as you?

John

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Posted by tanton37 (davidhanson@…>)

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “capt.john63”
<JoanJohn@…> wrote:

Hi again Dave -

Having not seen one of the dry heads up close, I am curious about
how
well the liquid separating aspect works with female anatomy. Any
problems with urine going into the solid waste hole? Has your
significant other come to love the unit as much as you?

John
Hi John…first you’ll have to get your kids to educate me…what
is T.M.I. ?? As far as racing stripes in the bowl go we have not had
that problem yet but the manufacturer suggests a spray bottle rinse
with a little vinigar in the water and a paper towel wipe which can
then be thrown into the compost. The bowl stays very clean on ours so
that oh say once a week we will give it a quick wipe as above as a
freshen up not because we had to. Everyone must sit to pee (a good
idea anyway) and any urine that is misdirected to the trap door is
redirected by a spillover that leads to the jug. As far as the
admiral is concerned…a resounding YES… Prior to installing this
head we thought holding tank odours were just a fact of life. Also we
are in a club with over 600 sailboats and one pumpout. Sure is nice
to not have to get in line after a long weekend. In fact if you are
just a couple sailing on weekends you will probably only have to
empty it once at the end of the season. Living aboard with two adults
you can figure about every 4-6 weeks. Hope this helps. Cheers, David
& Helene SV KAIROS F28CK

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Posted by ptecca63 (paul.tecca@…>)

Hello David,

I’ve been following this thread about the alternative head (Air
Head/Natures Head) with great interest and have a couple of questions.

  1. Is the head really totally odor free?

  2. Where do you dispose of the hard waste?

  3. Have you encountered any issues with this type of head and the U.S.
    Coast Guard or local harbor authorities? Specifically with regards to
    usage of it in no a discharge zone? How do they classify this type of
    head, same as a port-a-potty?

Regards,

Paul Tecca
Midnight Star, 1993 F35 #8
Bristol, RI

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Posted by tanton37 (davidhanson@…>)

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “ptecca63” <paul.tecca@…>
wrote:

Hello David,

I’ve been following this thread about the alternative head (Air
Head/Natures Head) with great interest and have a couple of
questions.

  1. Is the head really totally odor free?

  2. Where do you dispose of the hard waste?

  3. Have you encountered any issues with this type of head and the
    U.S.
    Coast Guard or local harbor authorities? Specifically with regards
    to
    usage of it in no a discharge zone? How do they classify this type
    of
    head, same as a port-a-potty?

Regards,

Paul Tecca
Midnight Star, 1993 F35 #8
Bristol, RI

Hi Paul…with regard to your questions…

  1. The only odour that we have ever noticed is what I would describe
    as a “slightly, musty, earthy type smell” which isn’t at all
    offensive. As I mentioned in an earlier post the only bad odours we
    ever had occurr was when we left urine in the jug…simple
    problem with a simple solution.
  2. We bring the waste home…you should see Helenes roses!! When
    we go cruising I don’t forsee any problem as it needs emptying so
    infrequently. Again, we will bring the contents to shore to be
    disposed of unless we are offshore. The finished compost is
    comparable in appearance to the same peat moss that the process was
    started with. About the only evidence left is that of the toilet
    paper which biodegades more slowly.
    3)The “Natures Head” is classified as an MSD Type lll which yes puts
    it in the same category as a Porta Potty but thats where all
    similarities end. (I’ve had a couple of those too…Yucckkk) I
    believe Coast Guard approved MSD Type lll heads are OK almost
    everywhere. I say almost as I found out after purchasing mine that
    mine is legal in all of Canada except for Ontario. As we plan to
    leave Ontario, I am not too worried. Cheers, David
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Posted by capt.john63 (JoanJohn@…>)

John
Hi John…first you’ll have to get your kids to educate me…what
is T.M.I. ??

Dave -

TMI = “Too Much Information” - and the ‘kids’ are 39 and 40!

Thanks for all of your great reponses on the heads. We’re getting
closer to replacing the forward head. One more try - now with the
Quantum Head Buster - before ripping out and installing an air-head.
John

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Posted by celij (junk@…>)

David,

I am interested in installing a Natures Head in my F28 CK and wanted
to ask you some installation questions. Would you contact me? John
“at” celi “dot” com.

Thanks !

— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “tanton37” <davidhanson@…>
wrote:

I’m with you 100% Greg. We installed a Natures Head (competitor of the
Airhead and engineered a little better) and used it all last season on
our F28CK. I will never go back to a conventional marine head setup. No
odour, no clogs, no pumpouts, no rebuild kits, fantastic savings in
weight and space with holding tank gone. We will be installing another
on the next boat. Cheers, David

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