Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)
I love my F40 CK, but man, they weren’t thinking of environmental
safety OR ease of systems replacement when they built them, at least
not in the head. This past weekend was spent removing the old
holding tank and all of its hoses, including the vented loop and
deck hose. Half of Saturday was spent coming to grips with the fact
that I was going to have to cut something, either old tank or the
wall behind the toilet. I finally chose the wall. I haven’t figured
out exactly how I’m going to refinish that space, but…
…the old tank is out, the new tank is in, all new hoses including
the insanely tight fit for the vented loop and deck fill, all of the
ElectroScan plumbing has been dry fit. Just need to put the new vent
hose in place and the hose from the tank pump to the electroscan and
the plumbing portion of this hellish job will be done. Then it’s on
to the electrical. Thank God the weather’s been warm so far this
winter in Boston so the walk up the dock to the bathrooms hasn’t
been too brutal.
So one of my miscalculations was the space for the transfer pump. I
bought a Sealand sanipump bellows-style pump, 1 1/2" inlet and
outlet, 12V (part number 317301200). I can’t use it because it’s too
big for the space. It lists for $300 at West and $230 at Defender,
and if anyone wants it they can have it for $175 plus shipping. I
don’t have the original box, but it’s never been wired up, never had
anything put through it, and has all the original fittings and
pieces.
contact me here or by email.
Lance
Bright Star
Posted by Jacqui MacConnell (jacimacc@…>)
You boat came with a vented loop? Sigh…
Jacqui Mac, Bellingham, WA
F36/38
— lance_ryley <lance_ryley@…> wrote:
I love my F40 CK, but man, they weren’t thinking of
environmental
safety OR ease of systems replacement when they
built them, at least
not in the head. This past weekend was spent
removing the old
holding tank and all of its hoses, including the
vented loop and
deck hose. Half of Saturday was spent coming to
grips with the fact
that I was going to have to cut something, either
old tank or the
wall behind the toilet. I finally chose the wall. I
haven’t figured
out exactly how I’m going to refinish that space,
but…
…the old tank is out, the new tank is in, all new
hoses including
the insanely tight fit for the vented loop and deck
fill, all of the
ElectroScan plumbing has been dry fit. Just need to
put the new vent
hose in place and the hose from the tank pump to the
electroscan and
the plumbing portion of this hellish job will be
done. Then it’s on
to the electrical. Thank God the weather’s been warm
so far this
winter in Boston so the walk up the dock to the
bathrooms hasn’t
been too brutal.
So one of my miscalculations was the space for the
transfer pump. I
bought a Sealand sanipump bellows-style pump, 1 1/2"
inlet and
outlet, 12V (part number 317301200). I can’t use it
because it’s too
big for the space. It lists for $300 at West and
$230 at Defender,
and if anyone wants it they can have it for $175
plus shipping. I
don’t have the original box, but it’s never been
wired up, never had
anything put through it, and has all the original
fittings and
pieces.
contact me here or by email.
Lance
Bright Star
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Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)
Only one head I’ll install in a boat and that’s Lavac.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jacqui MacConnell
<jacimacc@y…> wrote:
You boat came with a vented loop? Sigh…
Jacqui Mac, Bellingham, WA
F36/38
— lance_ryley <lance_ryley@y…> wrote:
I love my F40 CK, but man, they weren’t thinking of
environmental
safety OR ease of systems replacement when they
built them, at least
not in the head. This past weekend was spent
removing the old
holding tank and all of its hoses, including the
vented loop and
deck hose. Half of Saturday was spent coming to
grips with the fact
that I was going to have to cut something, either
old tank or the
wall behind the toilet. I finally chose the wall. I
haven’t figured
out exactly how I’m going to refinish that space,
but…
…the old tank is out, the new tank is in, all new
hoses including
the insanely tight fit for the vented loop and deck
fill, all of the
ElectroScan plumbing has been dry fit. Just need to
put the new vent
hose in place and the hose from the tank pump to the
electroscan and
the plumbing portion of this hellish job will be
done. Then it’s on
to the electrical. Thank God the weather’s been warm
so far this
winter in Boston so the walk up the dock to the
bathrooms hasn’t
been too brutal.
So one of my miscalculations was the space for the
transfer pump. I
bought a Sealand sanipump bellows-style pump, 1 1/2"
inlet and
outlet, 12V (part number 317301200). I can’t use it
because it’s too
big for the space. It lists for $300 at West and
$230 at Defender,
and if anyone wants it they can have it for $175
plus shipping. I
don’t have the original box, but it’s never been
wired up, never had
anything put through it, and has all the original
fittings and
pieces.
contact me here or by email.
Lance
Bright Star
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Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)
Looks like an interesting toilet, although I’m not sure I’m keen on
relying on the seat being down to ‘form a vacuum seal’ in order to
evacuate waste, and I’m not sure where I would mount a long throw
bellows pump like that in an F-40 CK and still keep sanitation hose
hidden from view. The Wilcox-Crittenden we put in to replace the old
reliable PH-II is nice, if a bit loud.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@y…> wrote:
Only one head I’ll install in a boat and that’s Lavac.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jacqui MacConnell
<jacimacc@y…> wrote:
You boat came with a vented loop? Sigh…
Jacqui Mac, Bellingham, WA
F36/38
— lance_ryley <lance_ryley@y…> wrote:
I love my F40 CK, but man, they weren’t thinking of
environmental
safety OR ease of systems replacement when they
built them, at least
not in the head. This past weekend was spent
removing the old
holding tank and all of its hoses, including the
vented loop and
deck hose. Half of Saturday was spent coming to
grips with the fact
that I was going to have to cut something, either
old tank or the
wall behind the toilet. I finally chose the wall. I
haven’t figured
out exactly how I’m going to refinish that space,
but…
…the old tank is out, the new tank is in, all new
hoses including
the insanely tight fit for the vented loop and deck
fill, all of the
ElectroScan plumbing has been dry fit. Just need to
put the new vent
hose in place and the hose from the tank pump to the
electroscan and
the plumbing portion of this hellish job will be
done. Then it’s on
to the electrical. Thank God the weather’s been warm
so far this
winter in Boston so the walk up the dock to the
bathrooms hasn’t
been too brutal.
So one of my miscalculations was the space for the
transfer pump. I
bought a Sealand sanipump bellows-style pump, 1 1/2"
inlet and
outlet, 12V (part number 317301200). I can’t use it
because it’s too
big for the space. It lists for $300 at West and
$230 at Defender,
and if anyone wants it they can have it for $175
plus shipping. I
don’t have the original box, but it’s never been
wired up, never had
anything put through it, and has all the original
fittings and
pieces.
contact me here or by email.
Lance
Bright Star
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Posted by Dave_Benjamin (dave_benjamin@…>)
Actually those seals are trouble free. When they do wear out you’re
looking at a 2 minute job to replace. Typically they last for 5-10
years or more. The only drawback of the Lavac is after you flush you
have to wait a little bit before the suction on the seat is relieved
enough for you to raise the seat and lid again. If you’ve got a puker
onboard it’s best to just evacuate the bowl with the lid open and use
a small bucket to provide flush water.
We know several cruisers that have had Lavacs for over 10 years and
love them. I’ve never met anyone that replaced their Lavac. Nothing
to go wrong with the toilet itself. The pumps last a long time and
are easy enough to rebuild. My back was badly injured when it came
time to overhaul our pump. I laid on the floor and coached my wife
through the process.
I’ve seen many different installations that have managed to keep the
hoses concealed. Another option is an electric pump but I’m not a big
fan of those. With a conventional pump you can feel if there’s any
problem. Some people mount the pump behind a locker door.
The Wilcox Crittenden is an excellent head, particularly the Skipper
model. I just don’t like all the maintenance involved with those
heads. A good friend of mine has the WC Skipper and does an annual
overhaul. He’s a liveaboard so his head gets used more than most. The
cost of the rebuild kit isn’t cheap and the head itself costs close
to a grand.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@y…> wrote:
Looks like an interesting toilet, although I’m not sure I’m keen on
relying on the seat being down to ‘form a vacuum seal’ in order to
evacuate waste, and I’m not sure where I would mount a long throw
bellows pump like that in an F-40 CK and still keep sanitation hose
hidden from view. The Wilcox-Crittenden we put in to replace the
old
reliable PH-II is nice, if a bit loud.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@y…> wrote:
Only one head I’ll install in a boat and that’s Lavac.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jacqui MacConnell
<jacimacc@y…> wrote:
You boat came with a vented loop? Sigh…
Jacqui Mac, Bellingham, WA
F36/38
— lance_ryley <lance_ryley@y…> wrote:
I love my F40 CK, but man, they weren’t thinking of
environmental
safety OR ease of systems replacement when they
built them, at least
not in the head. This past weekend was spent
removing the old
holding tank and all of its hoses, including the
vented loop and
deck hose. Half of Saturday was spent coming to
grips with the fact
that I was going to have to cut something, either
old tank or the
wall behind the toilet. I finally chose the wall. I
haven’t figured
out exactly how I’m going to refinish that space,
but…
…the old tank is out, the new tank is in, all new
hoses including
the insanely tight fit for the vented loop and deck
fill, all of the
ElectroScan plumbing has been dry fit. Just need to
put the new vent
hose in place and the hose from the tank pump to the
electroscan and
the plumbing portion of this hellish job will be
done. Then it’s on
to the electrical. Thank God the weather’s been warm
so far this
winter in Boston so the walk up the dock to the
bathrooms hasn’t
been too brutal.
So one of my miscalculations was the space for the
transfer pump. I
bought a Sealand sanipump bellows-style pump, 1 1/2"
inlet and
outlet, 12V (part number 317301200). I can’t use it
because it’s too
big for the space. It lists for $300 at West and
$230 at Defender,
and if anyone wants it they can have it for $175
plus shipping. I
don’t have the original box, but it’s never been
wired up, never had
anything put through it, and has all the original
fittings and
pieces.
contact me here or by email.
Lance
Bright Star
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Posted by crwindy@…> (crwindy@…>)
I installed a Lavac on my freedom 36/38. The hoses are exposed, but it is a
boat, right. I have white hoses, and they look ok. I love the head, it’s ease of
use and reliability.
From: “Dave_Benjamin” <dave_benjamin@…>
Date: 2006/01/10 Tue PM 08:26:15 EST
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Re: Head update
Actually those seals are trouble free. When they do wear out you’re
looking at a 2 minute job to replace. Typically they last for 5-10
years or more. The only drawback of the Lavac is after you flush you
have to wait a little bit before the suction on the seat is relieved
enough for you to raise the seat and lid again. If you’ve got a puker
onboard it’s best to just evacuate the bowl with the lid open and use
a small bucket to provide flush water.
We know several cruisers that have had Lavacs for over 10 years and
love them. I’ve never met anyone that replaced their Lavac. Nothing
to go wrong with the toilet itself. The pumps last a long time and
are easy enough to rebuild. My back was badly injured when it came
time to overhaul our pump. I laid on the floor and coached my wife
through the process.
I’ve seen many different installations that have managed to keep the
hoses concealed. Another option is an electric pump but I’m not a big
fan of those. With a conventional pump you can feel if there’s any
problem. Some people mount the pump behind a locker door.
The Wilcox Crittenden is an excellent head, particularly the Skipper
model. I just don’t like all the maintenance involved with those
heads. A good friend of mine has the WC Skipper and does an annual
overhaul. He’s a liveaboard so his head gets used more than most. The
cost of the rebuild kit isn’t cheap and the head itself costs close
to a grand.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “lance_ryley”
<lance_ryley@y…> wrote:
Looks like an interesting toilet, although I’m not sure I’m keen on
relying on the seat being down to ‘form a vacuum seal’ in order to
evacuate waste, and I’m not sure where I would mount a long throw
bellows pump like that in an F-40 CK and still keep sanitation hose
hidden from view. The Wilcox-Crittenden we put in to replace the
old
reliable PH-II is nice, if a bit loud.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Dave_Benjamin”
<dave_benjamin@y…> wrote:
Only one head I’ll install in a boat and that’s Lavac.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, Jacqui MacConnell
<jacimacc@y…> wrote:
You boat came with a vented loop? Sigh…
Jacqui Mac, Bellingham, WA
F36/38
— lance_ryley <lance_ryley@y…> wrote:
I love my F40 CK, but man, they weren’t thinking of
environmental
safety OR ease of systems replacement when they
built them, at least
not in the head. This past weekend was spent
removing the old
holding tank and all of its hoses, including the
vented loop and
deck hose. Half of Saturday was spent coming to
grips with the fact
that I was going to have to cut something, either
old tank or the
wall behind the toilet. I finally chose the wall. I
haven’t figured
out exactly how I’m going to refinish that space,
but…
…the old tank is out, the new tank is in, all new
hoses including
the insanely tight fit for the vented loop and deck
fill, all of the
ElectroScan plumbing has been dry fit. Just need to
put the new vent
hose in place and the hose from the tank pump to the
electroscan and
the plumbing portion of this hellish job will be
done. Then it’s on
to the electrical. Thank God the weather’s been warm
so far this
winter in Boston so the walk up the dock to the
bathrooms hasn’t
been too brutal.
So one of my miscalculations was the space for the
transfer pump. I
bought a Sealand sanipump bellows-style pump, 1 1/2"
inlet and
outlet, 12V (part number 317301200). I can’t use it
because it’s too
big for the space. It lists for $300 at West and
$230 at Defender,
and if anyone wants it they can have it for $175
plus shipping. I
don’t have the original box, but it’s never been
wired up, never had
anything put through it, and has all the original
fittings and
pieces.
contact me here or by email.
Lance
Bright Star
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Posted by svfantasy@… (svfantasy@…)
Lance,
I just completed my replacement of the holding tank on my Freedom 40 Cat-ketch, “Fantasy” hull # 60. I enlarged the opening behind the head about 8" in width to get the old tank out. A friend made up a new teak cover to fit the opening. Worked out really well. I did not install a Lectra San but replacing all of the plumbing was a real bear. I found the deck fill hose and vented loop to be fairly easy, it was plumbing the head, macerator and valves under the vanity (near the thru-hull) to be very difficult. Good luck!
Jay Glen
S/V Fantasy
San Francisco Bay
----- Original Message -----From: lance_ryley To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.comSubject: [freedomyachts2003] Head updateDate: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:53:43 -0000I love my F40 CK, but man, they weren’t thinking of environmental safety OR ease of systems replacement when they built them, at least not in the head. This past weekend was spent removing the old holding tank and all of its hoses, including the vented loop and deck hose. Half of Saturday was spent coming to grips with the fact that I was going to have to cut something, either old tank or the wall behind the toilet. I finally chose the wall. I haven’t figured out exactly how I’m going to refinish that space, but…the old tank is out, the new tank is in, all new hoses including the insanely tight fit for the vented loop and deck fill, all of the ElectroScan plumbing has been dry fit. Just need to put the new vent hose in place and the hose from the tank pump to the electroscan and the plumbing portion of this hellish job will be done. Then it’s on to the electrical. Thank God the weather’s been warm so far this winter in Boston so the walk up the dock to the bathrooms hasn’t been too brutal.So one of my miscalculations was the space for the transfer pump. I bought a Sealand sanipump bellows-style pump, 1 1/2" inlet and outlet, 12V (part number 317301200). I can’t use it because it’s too big for the space. It lists for $300 at West and $230 at Defender, and if anyone wants it they can have it for $175 plus shipping. I don’t have the original box, but it’s never been wired up, never had anything put through it, and has all the original fittings and pieces.contact me here or by email.LanceBright Star
Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)
Ha! Thanks for the encouragement. By the way, the pump has been sold.
Lance
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, svfantasy@m… wrote:
Lance,
I just completed my replacement of the holding tank on my Freedom
40
Cat-ketch, “Fantasy” hull # 60. I enlarged the opening behind the
head
about 8" in width to get the old tank out. A friend made up a new
teak
cover to fit the opening. Worked out really well. I did not
install a
Lectra San but replacing all of the plumbing was a real bear. I
found the
deck fill hose and vented loop to be fairly easy, it was plumbing
the
head, macerator and valves under the vanity (near the thru-hull)
to be
very difficult. Good luck!
Jay Glen
S/V Fantasy
San Francisco Bay
----- Original Message -----
From: lance_ryley
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Head update
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:53:43 -0000
I love my F40 CK, but man, they weren’t thinking of environmental
safety OR ease of systems replacement when they built them, at
least
not in the head. This past weekend was spent removing the old
holding tank and all of its hoses, including the vented loop and
deck hose. Half of Saturday was spent coming to grips with the
fact
that I was going to have to cut something, either old tank or
the
wall behind the toilet. I finally chose the wall. I haven’t
figured
out exactly how I’m going to refinish that space, but…
…the old tank is out, the new tank is in, all new hoses
including
the insanely tight fit for the vented loop and deck fill, all of
the
ElectroScan plumbing has been dry fit. Just need to put the new
vent
hose in place and the hose from the tank pump to the electroscan
and
the plumbing portion of this hellish job will be done. Then it’s
on
to the electrical. Thank God the weather’s been warm so far this
winter in Boston so the walk up the dock to the bathrooms hasn’t
been too brutal.
So one of my miscalculations was the space for the transfer
pump. I
bought a Sealand sanipump bellows-style pump, 1 1/2" inlet and
outlet, 12V (part number 317301200). I can’t use it because it’s
too
big for the space. It lists for $300 at West and $230 at
Defender,
and if anyone wants it they can have it for $175 plus shipping. I
don’t have the original box, but it’s never been wired up, never
had
anything put through it, and has all the original fittings and
pieces.
contact me here or by email.
Lance
Bright Star
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Posted by katorpus (katorpus@…>)
I love my Lavac.
I installed it in my 40’ Aft cockpit Freedom Cat Ketch with minimal
problems.
I got the “thru-bulkhead” pump (as opposed to surface mount) and
mounted it thru the side of the fiberglass sink cabinet. I don’t
have a picture available currently, but there’s nothing visible
hosewise except for the terminations of the inlet and discharge
lines.
I did have to run “extra” inlet line to loop it up into the space
beneath the sink in order to get the “vent button” in the inlet line
(which allows the vacuum to break after pumping) up above the water
line.
Access to the back side of the pump is easy…thru the door under
the sink. Just make sure you mount the pump high enough to be able
to make the tight upward curve with the discharge line. I put a 90
degree fitting
on the top of the pump (outlet) for the discharge line and curved
the hose around the inside of the curved front of the sink cabinet
and “stobbed” it into the Y-Valve…no problem, even though it isn’t
exactly an “uphill run” all the way (as suggested).
Make sure you have room to pump the handle fully without hitting the
top of the toilet seat. You can’t leave the pump handle in the pump
and raise the seat, which is not a bad thing. Just tie it to the
(supplied) nylon line so it won’t wander off somewhere (like under
the teak shower grate).
One caveat here…the pump seal is nitrile rubber…do NOT ever
flush muriatic acid through it (to clean out the discharge loop). I
learned the hard way that it will instantly destroy the rubber in
the pump. I now use vinegar and have no problems.