Posted by denniswoodriff (dw@…>)
I did a search for “heave” and for “hove”, but found no results, so am
bringing this up. If it has been covered, please direct me to the place
for it.
With regard to storm tactics, is it possible to heave to and make no
headway with a Freedom ketch 36, or any other Freedom yacht? Either
using or not using a para anchor?
Posted by George Huffman (thatboatguy2@…>)
Jay Glenn sent me a copy of a type written document from Gary Hoyt
himself entitled… “Sail Handling Hints” It was awesome… now I
can’t find it to save my life! How about it Jay? Could you load it
to the files section here?
George
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “denniswoodriff” <dw@…>
wrote:
I did a search for “heave” and for “hove”, but found no results, so am
bringing this up. If it has been covered, please direct me to the place
for it.With regard to storm tactics, is it possible to heave to and make no
headway with a Freedom ketch 36, or any other Freedom yacht? Either
using or not using a para anchor?
Posted by Herman and Gail Schiller (hschiller2@…>)
From an old “Royce’s Sailing Illustrated”:
Heave to - Bring a boat, or ship’s, head to the wind by use
of sails or engine and hold it there; similar to lying to.
Herm
At 01:06 PM 4/9/2008, you wrote:
I did a search for “heave” and for “hove”, but found no results, so am
bringing this up. If it has been covered, please direct me to the place
for it.With regard to storm tactics, is it possible to heave to and make no
headway with a Freedom ketch 36, or any other Freedom yacht? Either
using or not using a para anchor?
Posted by rick_simonds (rick_simonds@…>)
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “denniswoodriff” <dw@…>
wrote:
With regard to storm tactics, is it possible to heave to and make no
headway with a Freedom ketch 36, or any other Freedom yacht? Either
using or not using a para anchor?
This comes up once in a while. There’s probably something in past posts.
I’ve never been able to get my Hoyt F32 cat/sloop to heave to. Sooner
or later it just jibes. I’ve tried it 4 separate times, always in
fairly heavy wind but not true storm conditions, never with any type
of sea anchor.
Small jib, big main, fin keel, spade rudder, mast very far forward…
pretty much everything the conventional wisdom says is a detriment to
heaving to.
The conventional wisdom seems to be right in this case, or at least I
never found the right combination of variables.
Rick
Tallahassee
Posted by sgaber@…> (sgaber@…>)
Did you try it with a reef or two in the mainsail?
Steve Gaber
Sanderling, 1967 C-31 #77
Oldsmar, FL
---- rick_simonds <rick_simonds@…> wrote:
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “denniswoodriff” <dw@…>
wrote:With regard to storm tactics, is it possible to heave to and make no
headway with a Freedom ketch 36, or any other Freedom yacht? Either
using or not using a para anchor?This comes up once in a while. There’s probably something in past posts.
I’ve never been able to get my Hoyt F32 cat/sloop to heave to. Sooner
or later it just jibes. I’ve tried it 4 separate times, always in
fairly heavy wind but not true storm conditions, never with any type
of sea anchor.Small jib, big main, fin keel, spade rudder, mast very far forward…
pretty much everything the conventional wisdom says is a detriment to
heaving to.The conventional wisdom seems to be right in this case, or at least I
never found the right combination of variables.Rick
Tallahassee
–
Posted by rick_simonds (rick_simonds@…>)
Yes, full sail and 1 or 2 reefs in the main. The Camberspar jib was
held to windward by a small block and tackle. I gave it some windward
wheel to get it to steer up and stall as it started to move forward.
No joy. It stays for a while and seems to work, then, for no readily
apparent reason, it jibes and nothing is going to stop it. It falls
off past some critical point and just quickly spins around.
There are other adjustments (the traveler, more wheel…) that I
could try, and I will try them. Someday.
Rick
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, <sgaber@…> wrote:
Did you try it with a reef or two in the mainsail?
Steve Gaber
Sanderling, 1967 C-31 #77
Oldsmar, FL---- rick_simonds <rick_simonds@…> wrote:
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “denniswoodriff” <dw@>
wrote:With regard to storm tactics, is it possible to heave to and
make no
headway with a Freedom ketch 36, or any other Freedom yacht?
Either
using or not using a para anchor?This comes up once in a while. There’s probably something in past
posts.I’ve never been able to get my Hoyt F32 cat/sloop to heave to.
Sooner
or later it just jibes. I’ve tried it 4 separate times, always in
fairly heavy wind but not true storm conditions, never with any
type
of sea anchor.Small jib, big main, fin keel, spade rudder, mast very far
forward…
pretty much everything the conventional wisdom says is a
detriment to
heaving to.The conventional wisdom seems to be right in this case, or at
least I
never found the right combination of variables.Rick
Tallahassee–
Posted by Jay Glen (svfantasy@…>)
Rick,Although a lot of sailors believe they must back the jib in order to heave to - it is not a requirement. For example, on my F-40 CK I heave to by reefing the mizzen sail, dropping the main sail (sometimes leaving the main with a deep reef), sheeting the mizzen in tight and then play with the main (if its up at all). In most conditions I just drop the main, as all the windage forward is enough to keep her from rounding up. The mizzen keeps her from rounding down.
For a sloop, especially those with a fin keel, it gets a little more difficult. It all depends and wind and sea conditions, and the design of the vessel. Most will heave to with backed jib and the main sheeted in tight, with the helm down. But you must play with the sail area, sheeting angle and helm position. I often just reef the main, sheet it in tight, play with the helm for the right position, and drop the jib. You will then fore-reach a little. It all depends on the conditions and the boat.
So, I would try it with your jib down!On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 5:31 AM, rick_simonds <rick_simonds@…> wrote:
Yes, full sail and 1 or 2 reefs in the main. The Camberspar jib was
held to windward by a small block and tackle. I gave it some windward
wheel to get it to steer up and stall as it started to move forward.
No joy. It stays for a while and seems to work, then, for no readily
apparent reason, it jibes and nothing is going to stop it. It falls
off past some critical point and just quickly spins around.
There are other adjustments (the traveler, more wheel…) that I
could try, and I will try them. Someday.
Rick
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, <sgaber@…> wrote:
Did you try it with a reef or two in the mainsail?
Steve Gaber
Sanderling, 1967 C-31 #77
Oldsmar, FL---- rick_simonds <rick_simonds@…> wrote:
— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “denniswoodriff” <dw@>
wrote:With regard to storm tactics, is it possible to heave to and
make no
headway with a Freedom ketch 36, or any other Freedom yacht?
Either
using or not using a para anchor?This comes up once in a while. There’s probably something in past
posts.I’ve never been able to get my Hoyt F32 cat/sloop to heave to.
Sooner
or later it just jibes. I’ve tried it 4 separate times, always in
fairly heavy wind but not true storm conditions, never with any
type
of sea anchor.Small jib, big main, fin keel, spade rudder, mast very far
forward…
pretty much everything the conventional wisdom says is a
detriment to
heaving to.The conventional wisdom seems to be right in this case, or at
least I
never found the right combination of variables.Rick
Tallahassee–
– Jay Glen ki6jtks/v FantasyFreedom 40 Cat-KetchSan Francisco Bay Area