Posted by goldbdan (goldbdan@…>)
Anyone figured out a good, safe way to heave to on the F45 with a self-tacking
jib? I know I
can go forward and tie off the jib sheet to windward, but crawling forward in
weather
requiring heaving to doesn’t sound like the best way.
Thanks,
DG
“Miracle”
Posted by bmarserv@…> (bmarserv@…>)
I asked that question myself several times. I got no answer. So what I do on
long passages is, affix a block to the port or starboard toe rail and lead a
line from the jib clew, through the block aft. I only do this on long passages
when I know I want to take a break since I don’t like extra lines on deck. Bruce
From: goldbdan <goldbdan@…>
Date: 2007/09/06 Thu AM 09:01:40 CDT
To: freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [freedomyachts2003] Heaving to on F45
Anyone figured out a good, safe way to heave to on the F45 with a self-tacking
jib? I know I
can go forward and tie off the jib sheet to windward, but crawling forward in
weather
requiring heaving to doesn’t sound like the best way.Thanks,
DG
“Miracle”
Posted by JoanJohn@… (JoanJohn@…)
We haven’t had to do it (heave to), but are ready with jack lines (any time my wife and I cruise, esp offshore) and tether and harness integrated with the inflatables as the wind picks up. You might be able to cobble together a way to trim the jib to windward from the cockpit, but the deck clutter would be problematic.
We also have a Paratech sea anchor ready to deploy when the winds are rising and a storm system is unavoidable.
John
Destiny, 1992 F 45 CC************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Posted by Jay Glen (svfantasy@…>)
Hello all,I just wanted to throw in my two cents regarding heaving too. It seems that many sailors think of “heaving too” only as backing the head sail, and then balancing the helm, main and jib to acquire the appropriate attitude to wind and sea, making little headway. However, “heaving too” can be attained in a number of ways,all depending upon the type of vessel, rig, under-body, sea and wind conditions. For example; a sloop can “heave too” simply by reefing the main appropriate to the wind conditions, balance the helm and main so you fore-reach at just the right angle to wind and sea. Flying and backing the jib may or may not be required. A cat boat can heave too in the same manner, no jib is needed, or, available. On my Freedom 40 Cat-Ketch “Fantasy”, I “heave too” by flying only the mizzen sail, no main. The boats windage forward is all that is need to keep the bow from coming up into the wind. You need to carefully adjust the helm (rudder position) and balance it against the mizzen sail (may be reefed if needed) and the windage forward. She will then fore-reach slowly allowing you to do what ever needs to be done. I just wanted to point-out that “heaving too” does not necessarily mean “backing the jib”.
On 9/6/07, JoanJohn@… <JoanJohn@…> wrote:
We haven’t had to do it (heave to), but are ready with jack lines (any time my wife and I cruise, esp offshore) and tether and harness integrated with the inflatables as the wind picks up. You might be able to cobble together a way to trim the jib to windward from the cockpit, but the deck clutter would be problematic.
We also have a Paratech sea anchor ready to deploy when the winds are rising and a storm system is unavoidable.
John
Destiny, 1992 F 45 CC************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
– Jay Glen ki6jtks/v FantasyFreedom 40 Cat-KetchSan Francisco Bay Area
Posted by lance_ryley (lance_ryley@…>)
I have to agree with Jay. the safest way to heave to with a 45, if
you’re in those types of conditions, is probably to ditch the jib
altogether. Although, if the conditions are such that you are caught
out while the jib is up, going forward to pull it down, and then
having to deal with the flopping camberspar and canvas may be worse
than leaving it up. I would imagine (though I haven’t tried it yet)
that with the small jibs the 45 sports, that you could gain much of
the same advantage of sheeting to windward simply by sheeting to
midline which can be accomplished from the cockpit. triple-reefing
the main or dropping it entirely would depend on wind conditions. I
may have to go out and experiment with this in the coming month.
Lance
Glory
F45 CC
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Jay Glen” <svfantasy@…>
wrote:
Hello all,
I just wanted to throw in my two cents regarding heaving too. It
seems that
many sailors think of “heaving too” only as backing the head sail,
and then
balancing the helm, main and jib to acquire the appropriate
attitude to wind
and sea, making little headway. However, “heaving too” can be
attained in a
number of ways,all depending upon the type of vessel, rig, under-
body, sea
and wind conditions. For example; a sloop can “heave too” simply by
reefing
the main appropriate to the wind conditions, balance the helm and
main so
you fore-reach at just the right angle to wind and sea. Flying and
backing
the jib may or may not be required. A cat boat can heave too in the
same
manner, no jib is needed, or, available. On my Freedom 40 Cat-Ketch
“Fantasy”, I “heave too” by flying only the mizzen sail, no main.
The boats
windage forward is all that is need to keep the bow from coming up
into the
wind. You need to carefully adjust the helm (rudder position) and
balance it
against the mizzen sail (may be reefed if needed) and the windage
forward.
She will then fore-reach slowly allowing you to do what ever needs
to be
done. I just wanted to point-out that “heaving too” does not
necessarily
mean “backing the jib”.On 9/6/07, JoanJohn@… <JoanJohn@…> wrote:
We haven’t had to do it (heave to), but are ready with jack
lines (any
time my wife and I cruise, esp offshore) and tether and harness
integrated
with the inflatables as the wind picks up. You might be able to
cobble
together a way to trim the jib to windward from the cockpit, but
the deck
clutter would be problematic.We also have a Paratech sea anchor ready to deploy when the winds
are
rising and a storm system is unavoidable.John
Destiny, 1992 F 45 CC
Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour–
Jay Glen ki6jtk
s/v Fantasy
Freedom 40 Cat-Ketch
San Francisco Bay Area
Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)
Jay,
Thanks for the tip. We’ve discussed heaving to for catketches
before, but you seem to have found the key.
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “Jay Glen” <svfantasy@…>
wrote:
Hello all,
I just wanted to throw in my two cents regarding heaving too. It
seems that
many sailors think of “heaving too” only as backing the head sail,
and then
balancing the helm, main and jib to acquire the appropriate
attitude to wind
and sea, making little headway. However, “heaving too” can be
attained in a
number of ways,all depending upon the type of vessel, rig, under-
body, sea
and wind conditions. For example; a sloop can “heave too” simply
by reefing
the main appropriate to the wind conditions, balance the helm and
main so
you fore-reach at just the right angle to wind and sea. Flying and
backing
the jib may or may not be required. A cat boat can heave too in
the same
manner, no jib is needed, or, available. On my Freedom 40 Cat-Ketch
“Fantasy”, I “heave too” by flying only the mizzen sail, no main.
The boats
windage forward is all that is need to keep the bow from coming up
into the
wind. You need to carefully adjust the helm (rudder position) and
balance it
against the mizzen sail (may be reefed if needed) and the windage
forward.
She will then fore-reach slowly allowing you to do what ever needs
to be
done. I just wanted to point-out that “heaving too” does not
necessarily
mean “backing the jib”.On 9/6/07, JoanJohn@… <JoanJohn@…> wrote:
We haven’t had to do it (heave to), but are ready with jack
lines (any
time my wife and I cruise, esp offshore) and tether and harness
integrated
with the inflatables as the wind picks up. You might be able to
cobble
together a way to trim the jib to windward from the cockpit, but
the deck
clutter would be problematic.We also have a Paratech sea anchor ready to deploy when the
winds are
rising and a storm system is unavoidable.John
Destiny, 1992 F 45 CC
Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour–
Jay Glen ki6jtk
s/v Fantasy
Freedom 40 Cat-Ketch
San Francisco Bay Area
Posted by jansenferdinand (jansenferdinand@…>)
Hi Freedom crew,
Jay Glen is right. The way to heave to in a Freedom is to strike the
main and use the mizzen only. Kill all way by tweaking mizzen sheet
and clamp the wheel slightly up. When you get it right she will lie
four points on the wind, not fore reach and set bodily to leeward.
She will leave a slick to windward in which nothing breaks. You can
then go below and make a cup of tea and not worry too much about
what is happening topside assuming there is plenty of room to
leeward. I layed to one blow successfully with just the bottom part
of the mizzen, that is the bit below the wishboom the rest was
handed. Can’t remember but I think the board was down.
The preferred way to handle a blow is to just keep her going if it’s
not too bad. Freedoms have tons of reserve buoyancy aft and don’t
get pooped. What works best for me is to stream a Bruce anchor
astern on a long line. Put a float and about a fathom of line above
the Bruce and this will slow you down and pin the stern before the
wind. Of course this is not new; I got it from ‘Blondie’ Hassler. We
both used it on folkboats and it works on the Freedom 28 just fine
too. Seeing is believing. The Bruce is hydrodynamically stable ie it
does’nt sheer around.
With a ‘normal’ boat one one fly a small jib when running before it
but with a Freedom cat ketch it seems they prefer to be pushed
rather to be pulled. What I mean is, if you use the main the boat
carries lee helm and is cranky where as the mizzen (probably reefed)
provides just a little weather helm to keep her steering nicely.
That’s all
Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)
Hello Ferdinand,
Are you new here? You are clearly quite knowledgeable on the subject
of catketches. We wouldn’t mind hearing more often from you. In case
you didn’t know, there’s another Freedom board on Yahoo called
FreedomOwnersGroup; it’s protected against spam. You’re welcome
there too.
By the way, if your last name is Jansen, are you Dutch? If so, we
have a Freedom meeting on 13 and 14 October in Volendam. You’re very
welcome.
Best,
Michel Capel
— In freedomyachts2003@yahoogroups.com, “jansenferdinand”
<jansenferdinand@…> wrote:
Hi Freedom crew,
Jay Glen is right. The way to heave to in a Freedom is to strike
the
main and use the mizzen only. Kill all way by tweaking mizzen
sheet
and clamp the wheel slightly up. When you get it right she will
lie
four points on the wind, not fore reach and set bodily to leeward.
She will leave a slick to windward in which nothing breaks. You
can
then go below and make a cup of tea and not worry too much about
what is happening topside assuming there is plenty of room to
leeward. I layed to one blow successfully with just the bottom
part
of the mizzen, that is the bit below the wishboom the rest was
handed. Can’t remember but I think the board was down.
The preferred way to handle a blow is to just keep her going if
it’s
not too bad. Freedoms have tons of reserve buoyancy aft and don’t
get pooped. What works best for me is to stream a Bruce anchor
astern on a long line. Put a float and about a fathom of line
above
the Bruce and this will slow you down and pin the stern before the
wind. Of course this is not new; I got it from ‘Blondie’ Hassler.
We
both used it on folkboats and it works on the Freedom 28 just fine
too. Seeing is believing. The Bruce is hydrodynamically stable ie
it
does’nt sheer around.
With a ‘normal’ boat one one fly a small jib when running before
it
but with a Freedom cat ketch it seems they prefer to be pushed
rather to be pulled. What I mean is, if you use the main the boat
carries lee helm and is cranky where as the mizzen (probably
reefed)
provides just a little weather helm to keep her steering nicely.
That’s all
Posted by ferdinand jansen (jansenferdinand@…>)
“michel.capel” <michel.capel@…> wrote: Hello Ferdinand, Are you new here? You are clearly quite knowledgeable on the subject of catketches. We wouldn’t mind hearing more often from you. In case you didn’t know, there’s another Freedom board on Yahoo called FreedomOwnersGroup; it’s protected against spam. You’re welcome there too. By the way, if your last name is Jansen, are you Dutch? If so, we have a Freedom meeting on 13 and 14 October in Volendam. You’re very welcome. Best, Michel Capel
–HI Michel,Thanks for your email. Yes, you’re right dutch and proud of it. Appreciate your invitation but Volendam is a long way from the Philippines where I am now. I have sailed this 28 for about seventeen years. She is always good for 115 miles a day or more and unlike a regular boat does’nt roll her heart out going downwind. Just so long as you sail her by the lee a little.Which Freedom do you have and do you like her?Best regards,FerdinandFerdinand
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