I have lost the entire rudder one ft below the waterline on my 1982
33ft cat ketch with 4.5(water-line) fixed keel. T.S. Fay a couple of
months ago. The boat was blown ashore and then quickly towed to it’s
mooring ball. The damage was not immediately discernible and I was
unable to dive on the hull until yesterday. What a shock. Boat is at
NAS Jax, Florida. Anyone have any ideas about finding one. I may
eventually have one built but don’t even have a good diagram. John
Jones
I lost the rudder on my Mull Freedom 28 about two years ago. At the time I got advise from this group and learned from the group and Paul Dennis that there have been very few documented rudder failures in the Freedom fleet, maybe less than five. So, not too many places to go. I got in touch with GMT Composites near Providence RI. There was another F 28 on the hard near by and they reverse engineered the specs for the new rudder from that boat, then built a custom one. Foam cored, carbon fiber rudder shaft, etc. It was one sweet new rudder assembly. The are an incredible company building spars, rudders etc even for 12 meter America’s cup contenders. The rudder was very expensive, $10,000, but it was fully covered by my State Farm policy. I can highly recommend them from my experience.
Doug
Former owner Free at Sea
1987 Mull Freedom 28 Hull #2
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:41 PM, John Jones <a1john@…> wrote:
I have lost the entire rudder one ft below the waterline on my 198233ft cat ketch with 4.5(water-line) fixed keel. T.S. Fay a couple ofmonths ago. The boat was blown ashore and then quickly towed to it’s
mooring ball. The damage was not immediately discernible and I wasunable to dive on the hull until yesterday. What a shock. Boat is atNAS Jax, Florida. Anyone have any ideas about finding one. I mayeventually have one built but don’t even have a good diagram. John
Jones
Posted by James Fitch (chefcapn@…>)
John- I’m looking to buy a Freedom of the size you have— but I’m looking for a center board( I like that shallow draft). I’ve owned several boats two of which needed rudder repair- I don’t know how you are with fiberglass but - it looks like a simple design deal to fix the rudder from what I’ve seen of the under water profile-------- a lot depends on how ya feel about doing your own work-
Cap’n JimyOn Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 10:41 AM, John Jones <a1john@…> wrote:
I have lost the entire rudder one ft below the waterline on my 1982
33ft cat ketch with 4.5(water-line) fixed keel. T.S. Fay a couple of
months ago. The boat was blown ashore and then quickly towed to it’s
mooring ball. The damage was not immediately discernible and I was
unable to dive on the hull until yesterday. What a shock. Boat is at
NAS Jax, Florida. Anyone have any ideas about finding one. I may
eventually have one built but don’t even have a good diagram. John
Jones
Companies like Foss Foam and Ida Sailor can make new rudders. Do a Google
search for them. Either may have plans for most production boats, but maybe
not. You can probably get close to the original shape of the rudder by using
long, flexible battens and tracing he curve onto paper or plywood for a pattern.
I rebuilt the rudder on my Columbia 31. It’s time and labor intensive, but not
that difficult.
Steve Gaber
Sanderling, 1967 C-31 #77
Oldsmar, FL
---- Doug Payne <dougpayne48@…> wrote:
John:
I lost the rudder on my Mull Freedom 28 about two years ago. At the time I
got advise from this group and learned from the group and Paul Dennis that
there have been very few documented rudder failures in the Freedom fleet,
maybe less than five. So, not too many places to go. I got in touch with GMT
Composites near Providence RI. There was another F 28 on the hard near by
and they reverse engineered the specs for the new rudder from that boat,
then built a custom one. Foam cored, carbon fiber rudder shaft, etc. It was
one sweet new rudder assembly. The are an incredible company building spars,
rudders etc even for 12 meter America’s cup contenders. The rudder was very
expensive, $10,000, but it was fully covered by my State Farm policy. I can
highly recommend them from my experience.
Doug
Former owner Free at Sea
1987 Mull Freedom 28 Hull #2
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:41 PM, John Jones <a1john@…> wrote:
I have lost the entire rudder one ft below the waterline on my 1982
33ft cat ketch with 4.5(water-line) fixed keel. T.S. Fay a couple of
months ago. The boat was blown ashore and then quickly towed to it’s
mooring ball. The damage was not immediately discernible and I was
unable to dive on the hull until yesterday. What a shock. Boat is at
NAS Jax, Florida. Anyone have any ideas about finding one. I may
eventually have one built but don’t even have a good diagram. John
Jones
In addition to the other options, you may want to contact “Phil’s
Foils.” They do a lot of replacement rudder work for many types of
boats. www.philsfoils.com
I have lost the entire rudder one ft below the waterline on my 1982
33ft cat ketch with 4.5(water-line) fixed keel. T.S. Fay a couple of
months ago. The boat was blown ashore and then quickly towed to it’s
mooring ball. The damage was not immediately discernible and I was
unable to dive on the hull until yesterday. What a shock. Boat is at
NAS Jax, Florida. Anyone have any ideas about finding one. I may
eventually have one built but don’t even have a good diagram. John
Jones
Posted by Skipper Skip (skipperf33@…>)
John,
Sounds like I have same model F33 as you (1982 hull # 63). As luck would have it, mine is on the hard (next to my barn) as we speak. I would be happy to send or post pics and give you measurements of my rudder, if you like!
I have had my rudder off and it weighs a “TON”, figuratively speaking. I am AMAZED that it broke off without tearing the transom right off the boat! Speaks well for the strength of that transom and the mounting of the pintle and gudgeons.
Is there any chance of retrieving the sheared part? (It ain¢t going anywhere!) I would think that part would be invaluable when making a new one!
If possible, I would love to see pics of both the shear line and “sections” of the lower part. I would think that if possible, sectioning the lower part (cutting horizontally with a bandsaw ) about every 3 or 4 inches, would reveal a great deal about the original construction.
In any event, I will be happy to give you any ideas and info that would be of help in getting HER seaworthy once again! At least you will be able to fix this without hauling:)
Where is she located?
Skip— On Thu, 10/2/08, John Jones <a1john@…> wrote:
From: John Jones <a1john@…>Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] HELPTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comDate: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 10:41 AM
I have lost the entire rudder one ft below the waterline on my 198233ft cat ketch with 4.5(water-line) fixed keel. T.S. Fay a couple ofmonths ago. The boat was blown ashore and then quickly towed to it’smooring ball. The damage was not immediately discernible and I wasunable to dive on the hull until yesterday. What a shock. Boat is atNAS Jax, Florida. Anyone have any ideas about finding one. I mayeventually have one built but don’t even have a good diagram. JohnJones
We live in the UK and have a UK built Freedom 33 (1986 hull no 11).We
have all the engineering drawings and including the steering geometry
for the Rudder and steering.If you would like to contact us ,i would be
happy to send you a copy for info
John,
Sounds like I have same model F33 as you (1982 hull # 63). As luck
would have it, mine is on the hard (next to my barn) as we speak. I
would be happy to send or post pics and give you measurements of my
rudder, if you like!
I have had my rudder off and it weighs a “TON”, figuratively speaking.
I am AMAZED that it broke off without tearing the transom right off the
boat! Speaks well for the strength of that transom and the mounting of
the pintle and gudgeons.
Is there any chance of retrieving the sheared part? (It ain¢t going
anywhere!) I would think that part would be invaluable when making a new
one!
If possible, I would love to see pics of both the shear line and
“sections” of the lower part. I would think that if possible, sectioning
the lower part (cutting horizontally with a bandsaw ) about every 3 or 4
inches, would reveal a great deal about the original construction.
In any event, I will be happy to give you any ideas and info that
would be of help in getting HER seaworthy once again! At least you will
be able to fix this without hauling:)
Where is she located?
Skip
— On Thu, 10/2/08, John Jones a1john@… wrote:
From: John Jones a1john@…
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] HELP
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 10:41 AM
I have lost the entire rudder one ft below the waterline on my 1982
33ft cat ketch with 4.5(water-line) fixed keel. T.S. Fay a couple of
months ago. The boat was blown ashore and then quickly towed to it’s
mooring ball. The damage was not immediately discernible and I was
unable to dive on the hull until yesterday. What a shock. Boat is at
NAS Jax, Florida. Anyone have any ideas about finding one. I may
eventually have one built but don’t even have a good diagram. John
Jones
Wow. I’m also amazed there wasn’t other damage. I’ve
drilled a couple of holes in the lower portion of my F-33 rudder to check for
water in the core (then refilled with epoxy) and the fiberglass is very thick.
My guess is the core was just to provide shape to lay the fiberglass over.
Sounds like I have same model F33 as you (1982 hull # 63).
As luck would have it, mine is on the hard (next to my barn) as we speak. I
would be happy to send or post pics and give you measurements of my rudder,
if you like!
I have had my rudder off and it weighs a “TON”,
figuratively speaking. I am AMAZED that it broke off without tearing the
transom right off the boat! Speaks well for the strength of that transom and
the mounting of the pintle and gudgeons.
Is there any chance of retrieving the sheared part? (It
ain¢t going anywhere!) I would think that part would be invaluable when
making a new one!
If possible, I would love to see pics of both the shear
line and “sections” of the lower part. I would think that if
possible, sectioning the lower part (cutting horizontally with a bandsaw )
about every 3 or 4 inches, would reveal a great deal about the original construction.
In any event, I will be happy to give you any ideas and
info that would be of help in getting HER seaworthy once again! At least you
will be able to fix this without hauling:)
Where is she located?
Skip
— On Thu, 10/2/08, John Jones <a1john@…>
wrote:
From: John Jones
<a1john@…>
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] HELP
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 10:41 AM
I have lost the entire rudder
one ft below the waterline on my 1982
33ft cat ketch with 4.5(water-line) fixed keel. T.S. Fay a couple of
months ago. The boat was blown ashore and then quickly towed to it’s
mooring ball. The damage was not immediately discernible and I was
unable to dive on the hull until yesterday. What a shock. Boat is at
NAS Jax, Florida. Anyone have any ideas about finding one. I may
eventually have one built but don’t even have a good diagram. John
Jones
We live in the UK and have a UK built Freedom 33 (1986 hull no 11).We
have all the engineering drawings and including the steering geometry
for the Rudder and steering.If you would like to contact us ,i would be
happy to send you a copy for info
John,
Sounds like I have same model F33 as you (1982 hull # 63). As luck
would have it, mine is on the hard (next to my barn) as we speak. I
would be happy to send or post pics and give you measurements of my
rudder, if you like!
I have had my rudder off and it weighs a “TON”, figuratively speaking.
I am AMAZED that it broke off without tearing the transom right off the
boat! Speaks well for the strength of that transom and the mounting of
the pintle and gudgeons.
Is there any chance of retrieving the sheared part? (It ain¢t going
anywhere!) I would think that part would be invaluable when making a new
one!
If possible, I would love to see pics of both the shear line and
“sections” of the lower part. I would think that if possible, sectioning
the lower part (cutting horizontally with a bandsaw ) about every 3 or 4
inches, would reveal a great deal about the original construction.
In any event, I will be happy to give you any ideas and info that
would be of help in getting HER seaworthy once again! At least you will
be able to fix this without hauling:)
Where is she located?
Skip
I have lost the entire rudder one ft below the waterline on my 1982
33ft cat ketch with 4.5(water-line) fixed keel. T.S. Fay a couple of
months ago. The boat was blown ashore and then quickly towed to it’s
mooring ball. The damage was not immediately discernible and I was
unable to dive on the hull until yesterday. What a shock. Boat is at
NAS Jax, Florida. Anyone have any ideas about finding one. I may
eventually have one built but don’t even have a good diagram. John
Jones
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Thanks very much for your offer My e-mail is
a1john@… I’m sure your data etc will help John Jones
Posted by Skipper Skip (skipperf33@…>)
Hello John,
Is your boat the F33 CK with the companionway to starboard or centered?
Skip— On Sat, 10/4/08, John Ros <kencooper66@…> wrote:
From: John Ros <kencooper66@…>Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: HELPTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comDate: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 3:15 AM
Hi JohnWe live in the UK and have a UK built Freedom 33 (1986 hull no 11).Wehave all the engineering drawings and including the steering geometryfor the Rudder and steering.If you would like to contact us ,i would behappy to send you a copy for infoBest wishesJohn Cooper— In FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com, Skipper Skip <skipperf33@ …>wrote:>> John,> Sounds like I have same model F33 as you (1982 hull # 63). As luckwould have it, mine is on the hard (next to my barn) as we speak. Iwould be happy to send or post pics and give you measurements of myrudder, if you like!> I have had my rudder off and it weighs a “TON”, figuratively speaking.I am AMAZED that it broke off without tearing the transom right off theboat! Speaks well for the strength of that transom
and the mounting ofthe pintle and gudgeons.> Is there any chance of retrieving the sheared part? (It ain¢t goinganywhere!) I would think that part would be invaluable when making a newone!> If possible, I would love to see pics of both the shear line and"sections" of the lower part. I would think that if possible, sectioningthe lower part (cutting horizontally with a bandsaw ) about every 3 or 4inches, would reveal a great deal about the original construction.> In any event, I will be happy to give you any ideas and info thatwould be of help in getting HER seaworthy once again! At least you willbe able to fix this without hauling:)> Where is she located?> Skip>> — On Thu, 10/2/08, John Jones a1john@… wrote:>> From: John Jones a1john@…> Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] HELP> To: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 10:41 AM>>>>>>> I have lost the entire rudder one ft below the waterline on my 1982> 33ft cat ketch with 4.5(water-line) fixed keel. T.S. Fay a couple of> months ago. The boat was blown ashore and then quickly towed to it’s> mooring ball. The damage was not immediately discernible and I was> unable to dive on the hull until yesterday. What a shock. Boat is at> NAS Jax, Florida. Anyone have any ideas about finding one. I may> eventually have one built but don’t even have a good diagram. John> Jones>
Hi Skip: The 1982 33’ is a center companionway John Jones
Skipper Skip wrote:
\
Hello John,
Is your boat the F33 CK with the companionway to starboard or centered?
Skip
— On Sat, 10/4/08, John Ros /<kencooper66@…>/ wrote:
From: John Ros <kencooper66@...>
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: HELP
To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 3:15 AM
Hi John
We live in the UK and have a UK built Freedom 33 (1986 hull no 11).We
have all the engineering drawings and including the steering geometry
for the Rudder and steering.If you would like to contact us ,i
would be
happy to send you a copy for info
Best wishes
John Cooper
--- In FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com
<mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com>, Skipper Skip
<skipperf33@ ...>
wrote:
>
> John,
> Sounds like I have same model F33 as you (1982 hull # 63). As luck
would have it, mine is on the hard (next to my barn) as we speak. I
would be happy to send or post pics and give you measurements of my
rudder, if you like!
> I have had my rudder off and it weighs a "TON", figuratively
speaking.
I am AMAZED that it broke off without tearing the transom right
off the
boat! Speaks well for the strength of that transom and the mounting of
the pintle and gudgeons.
> Is there any chance of retrieving the sheared part? (It ain¢t going
anywhere!) I would think that part would be invaluable when making
a new
one!
> If possible, I would love to see pics of both the shear line and
"sections" of the lower part. I would think that if possible,
sectioning
the lower part (cutting horizontally with a bandsaw ) about every
3 or 4
inches, would reveal a great deal about the original construction.
> In any event, I will be happy to give you any ideas and info that
would be of help in getting HER seaworthy once again! At least you
will
be able to fix this without hauling:)
> Where is she located?
> Skip
>
> --- On Thu, 10/2/08, John Jones a1john@... wrote:
>
> From: John Jones a1john@...
> Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] HELP
> To: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com
<mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 10:41 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I have lost the entire rudder one ft below the waterline on my 1982
> 33ft cat ketch with 4.5(water-line) fixed keel. T.S. Fay a couple of
> months ago. The boat was blown ashore and then quickly towed to it's
> mooring ball. The damage was not immediately discernible and I was
> unable to dive on the hull until yesterday. What a shock. Boat is at
> NAS Jax, Florida. Anyone have any ideas about finding one. I may
> eventually have one built but don't even have a good diagram. John
> Jones
>
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Then I would guess that you too have a fixed keel!
Sir, if possible, I would also like copies of the engineering info that you have on your boat!
I am happy to pay the costs associated with making this happen. If you would, drop me an email and we can work out the details:)
Thanks!
Skip
1982 F33 CK, Fixed Shoal Keel
Southern CA.— On Sat, 10/11/08, John Jones <a1john@…> wrote:
From: John Jones <a1john@…>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: HELPTo: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comDate: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 7:35 AM
Hi Skip: The 1982 33’ is a center companionway John JonesSkipper Skip wrote:> Hello John,> > Is your boat the F33 CK with the companionway to starboard or centered?> > Skip>>> — On Sat, 10/4/08, John Ros /<kencooper66@ hotmail.com>/ wrote:>> From: John Ros <kencooper66@ hotmail.com>> Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: HELP> To: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 3:15 AM>> Hi John>> We live in the UK and have a UK built Freedom 33 (1986 hull no 11).We> have all the engineering drawings and including the steering geometry> for
the Rudder and steering.If you would like to contact us ,i> would be> happy to send you a copy for info>> Best wishes>> John Cooper>> — In FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com> <mailto:FreedomOwne rsGroup%40yahoog roups.com> , Skipper Skip> <skipperf33@ …>> wrote:> >> > John,> > Sounds like I have same model F33 as you (1982 hull # 63). As luck> would have it, mine is on the hard (next to my barn) as we speak. I> would be happy to send or post pics and give you measurements of my> rudder, if you like!> > I have had my rudder off and it weighs a “TON”, figuratively> speaking.> I am AMAZED that it broke off without tearing the transom right> off the> boat! Speaks well for the strength of that transom and the mounting of> the pintle and gudgeons.> > Is there
any chance of retrieving the sheared part? (It ain¢t going> anywhere!) I would think that part would be invaluable when making> a new> one!> > If possible, I would love to see pics of both the shear line and> “sections” of the lower part. I would think that if possible,> sectioning> the lower part (cutting horizontally with a bandsaw ) about every> 3 or 4> inches, would reveal a great deal about the original construction.> > In any event, I will be happy to give you any ideas and info that> would be of help in getting HER seaworthy once again! At least you> will> be able to fix this without hauling:)> > Where is she located?> > Skip> >> > — On Thu, 10/2/08, John Jones a1john@… wrote:> >> > From: John Jones a1john@…> > Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] HELP> > To:
FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com> <mailto:FreedomOwne rsGroup%40yahoog roups.com>> > Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 10:41 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I have lost the entire rudder one ft below the waterline on my 1982> > 33ft cat ketch with 4.5(water-line) fixed keel. T.S. Fay a couple of> > months ago. The boat was blown ashore and then quickly towed to it’s> > mooring ball. The damage was not immediately discernible and I was> > unable to dive on the hull until yesterday. What a shock. Boat is at> > NAS Jax, Florida. Anyone have any ideas about finding one. I may> > eventually have one built but don’t even have a good diagram. John> > Jones> >>>> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ->>> No virus found
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