Hidden Problems Found on 40/40

Geoffrey_Schultz · November 12, 2008, 7:30pm

Posted by Geoffrey Schultz (geoff.freedom@geoffschultz.org>)

I have a Freedom 40/40, hull #25, which was built in 1997. It’s been
9 years since I had the boat back near my home in MA, but this year
it’s sitting at Brewer’s Sakonnet in Portsmouth, RI and I’ve been
doing a lot of work on it. I’ve discovered a two issues that
certainly weren’t obvious, and perhaps warrant looking at on your boats.

I’m replacing the headliner due to the foam backing deteriorating
and I was quite surprised to discover that some of the bolts holding
the traveler assembly are leaking and the bolts are covered with brown
glop. The balsa core around these bolts is wet. I’ll be pulling the
assembly next time I go down to the boat and re-bedding the bolts.
A majority of my portholes have water intrusion through the screw
holes on the outer ring. I’ve just finished rebedding all 14(?)
portholes with Sikaflex. That was a 3 days job…

You may want to look at this on your boat. I sure wasn’t expecting
what I found and without pulling the headliner, I wouldn’t have found
these.

– Geoff

lolaltd · November 12, 2008, 9:16pm

Posted by lolaltd (lolaltd@…>)

On my F30 I applied Vaseline to my gaskets inside the interior
side…don’t take gasket out…I too had the screw on the gasket
problem…what a difference…made them pliable like new.

It was a tip from a fellow sailor.

Lola F30

katorpus1 · November 12, 2008, 9:26pm

Posted by katorpus (jrb@…>)

Lola…take this tip from another fellow sailor…

Vaseline is a petroleum based product. No petroleum based product
should ever be used to lubricate rubber gaskets.

I would suggest that you remove it (use Dawn or some other type of
non-petroleum degreaser) and re-treat your gaskets with “O-Ring
Grease” or some other product that is MADE for lubricating rubber.

This is available at plumbing supply stores, swimming pool shops
(where it’s used on the large O-Ring gaskets on the hair & leaf pot
for the pump), and elsewhere. It comes in a little tub with a snap-on
top and goes a LONG way.

Your gaskets may be “pliable like new” at the moment, but they will
deteriorate into a rotten mess in time (think…“foam rubber left in
th sun”)if you leave the vaseline on them.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “lolaltd” <lolaltd@…>
wrote:

On my F30 I applied Vaseline to my gaskets inside the interior
side…don’t take gasket out…I too had the screw on the gasket
problem…what a difference…made them pliable like new.

It was a tip from a fellow sailor.

Lola F30

lolaltd · November 12, 2008, 9:29pm

Posted by lolaltd (lolaltd@…>)

Oh my Gosh…Will do as soon as possible,

THANK YOU.

Lola F30

Al_Lorman1 · November 12, 2008, 9:36pm

Posted by Al Lorman (ajl@…>)

I
respectfully disagree. O-Ring Grease may be great, and may be preferable
for all I know, but I’ve used Vaseline on the gaskets of several boats
and while I did not keep them for the ages and so cannot report on their
long-term viability, I never had a problem with the rubber degrading.

Al
Lorman

From:
FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of katorpus
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:26 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Hidden Problems Found on 40/40

\

Lola…take this tip from another fellow
sailor…

Vaseline is a petroleum based product. No petroleum based product
should ever be used to lubricate rubber gaskets.

I would suggest that you remove it (use Dawn or some other type of
non-petroleum degreaser) and re-treat your gaskets with “O-Ring
Grease” or some other product that is MADE for lubricating rubber.

This is available at plumbing supply stores, swimming pool shops
(where it’s used on the large O-Ring gaskets on the hair & leaf pot
for the pump), and elsewhere. It comes in a little tub with a snap-on
top and goes a LONG way.

Your gaskets may be “pliable like new” at the moment, but they will
deteriorate into a rotten mess in time (think…“foam rubber left in
th sun”)if you leave the vaseline on them.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com,
“lolaltd” <lolaltd@…>
wrote:

On my F30 I applied Vaseline to my gaskets inside the interior
side…don’t take gasket out…I too had the screw on the gasket
problem…what a difference…made them pliable like new.

It was a tip from a fellow sailor.

Lola F30

\

sgaber · November 12, 2008, 11:52pm

Posted by sgaber@…> (sgaber@…>)

I think petroleum products are damaging to natural rubber. But many O-ring
gaskets are made of modern synthetic rubber substitutes, which are more
chemically resiostant.

Steve Gaber
Sanderling, 1967 C-31 #77
Oldsmar, FL

---- Al Lorman <ajl@…> wrote:

I respectfully disagree. O-Ring Grease may be great, and may be preferable
for all I know, but I’ve used Vaseline on the gaskets of several boats and
while I did not keep them for the ages and so cannot report on their
long-term viability, I never had a problem with the rubber degrading.

Al Lorman

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of katorpus
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:26 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Hidden Problems Found on 40/40

Lola…take this tip from another fellow sailor…

Vaseline is a petroleum based product. No petroleum based product
should ever be used to lubricate rubber gaskets.

I would suggest that you remove it (use Dawn or some other type of
non-petroleum degreaser) and re-treat your gaskets with “O-Ring
Grease” or some other product that is MADE for lubricating rubber.

This is available at plumbing supply stores, swimming pool shops
(where it’s used on the large O-Ring gaskets on the hair & leaf pot
for the pump), and elsewhere. It comes in a little tub with a snap-on
top and goes a LONG way.

Your gaskets may be “pliable like new” at the moment, but they will
deteriorate into a rotten mess in time (think…“foam rubber left in
th sun”)if you leave the vaseline on them.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com , “lolaltd” <lolaltd@…>
wrote:

On my F30 I applied Vaseline to my gaskets inside the interior
side…don’t take gasket out…I too had the screw on the gasket
problem…what a difference…made them pliable like new.

It was a tip from a fellow sailor.

Lola F30

–

Geoffrey_Schultz · November 13, 2008, 4:10am

Posted by Geoffrey Schultz (geoff.freedom@geoffschultz.org>)

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “lolaltd” <lolaltd@…> wrote:

On my F30 I applied Vaseline to my gaskets inside the interior
side…don’t take gasket out…I too had the screw on the gasket
problem…what a difference…made them pliable like new.

It was a tip from a fellow sailor.

Lola F30

This has nothing to do with the gaskets. It has to do with the
exterior screws leaking water into the balsa core.

– Geoff

George_Huffman · November 13, 2008, 1:19pm

Posted by George Huffman (thatboatguy2@…>)

I just replaced all the ports in the main cabin and replaced trim
rings and re-bedded the ones in the head and v berth. We now have all
Beckson Rain Drains in the forward section of the boat (with the
exception of one Fuller in the galley facing cockpit). I chose not to
drill the trim rings and I filled all the old screw holes with epoxy
after v-ing them out to achieve a good bond. I used 100 percent
silicon per Beckson’s advisement. I’ll let you know in 5 years or so
how this all worked out… heh heh

One word of advice, make darn for sure that your balsa core is bone
dry before you re-bed anything.

Now I turn myself to the aft cabin leaks… sigh.

George

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Geoffrey Schultz”
<geoff.freedom@…> wrote:

I have a Freedom 40/40, hull #25, which was built in 1997. It’s been
9 years since I had the boat back near my home in MA, but this year
it’s sitting at Brewer’s Sakonnet in Portsmouth, RI and I’ve been
doing a lot of work on it. I’ve discovered a two issues that
certainly weren’t obvious, and perhaps warrant looking at on your boats.

I’m replacing the headliner due to the foam backing deteriorating
and I was quite surprised to discover that some of the bolts holding
the traveler assembly are leaking and the bolts are covered with brown
glop. The balsa core around these bolts is wet. I’ll be pulling the
assembly next time I go down to the boat and re-bedding the bolts.

A majority of my portholes have water intrusion through the screw
holes on the outer ring. I’ve just finished rebedding all 14(?)
portholes with Sikaflex. That was a 3 days job…

You may want to look at this on your boat. I sure wasn’t expecting
what I found and without pulling the headliner, I wouldn’t have found
these.

– Geoff

katorpus1 · November 17, 2008, 11:33pm

Posted by katorpus (jrb@…>)

I agree with you, Steve, but the portlight gaskets aren’t
synthetic…more like neoprene (or something close to it).

Magic Lube is a teflon based product, Magic Lube II is silicone
based, Liberty Lube is a combination of the two.

All available at the following link (I have no commercial interest in
either the product or the website…simply providing this is as a
service to my fellow sailors).

None of these will harm natural rubber.

Remember…there’s a REASON they tell you not to use Vaseline in
combination with latex condoms!

http://www.poolcenter.com/service_repair_supplies_sealants_lubricants.
htm

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, <sgaber@…> wrote:

I think petroleum products are damaging to natural rubber. But many
O-ring gaskets are made of modern synthetic rubber substitutes, which
are more chemically resiostant.

Steve Gaber
Sanderling, 1967 C-31 #77
Oldsmar, FL

---- Al Lorman <ajl@…> wrote:

I respectfully disagree. O-Ring Grease may be great, and may be
preferable
for all I know, but I’ve used Vaseline on the gaskets of several
boats and
while I did not keep them for the ages and so cannot report on
their
long-term viability, I never had a problem with the rubber
degrading.

Al Lorman

From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of katorpus
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:26 PM
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Hidden Problems Found on 40/40

Lola…take this tip from another fellow sailor…

Vaseline is a petroleum based product. No petroleum based product
should ever be used to lubricate rubber gaskets.

I would suggest that you remove it (use Dawn or some other type
of
non-petroleum degreaser) and re-treat your gaskets with “O-Ring
Grease” or some other product that is MADE for lubricating rubber.

This is available at plumbing supply stores, swimming pool shops
(where it’s used on the large O-Ring gaskets on the hair & leaf
pot
for the pump), and elsewhere. It comes in a little tub with a
snap-on
top and goes a LONG way.

Your gaskets may be “pliable like new” at the moment, but they
will
deteriorate into a rotten mess in time (think…“foam rubber left
in
th sun”)if you leave the vaseline on them.

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com , “lolaltd”
<lolaltd@>
wrote:

On my F30 I applied Vaseline to my gaskets inside the interior
side…don’t take gasket out…I too had the screw on the gasket
problem…what a difference…made them pliable like new.

It was a tip from a fellow sailor.

Lola F30

–

amarsib · November 17, 2008, 11:37pm

Posted by amarsib@… (amarsib@…)
I find using amorall works wellSent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: “katorpus” <jrb@…>Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:33:42 -0000To: <FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com>Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Hidden Problems Found on 40/40 I agree with you, Steve, but the portlight gaskets aren’t synthetic…more like neoprene (or something close to it). Magic Lube is a teflon based product, Magic Lube II is silicone based, Liberty Lube is a combination of the two. All available at the following link (I have no commercial interest in either the product or the website…simply providing this is as a service to my fellow sailors). None of these will harm natural rubber. Remember…there’s a REASON they tell you not to use Vaseline in combination with latex condoms!http://www.poolcenter.com/service_repair_supplies_sealants_lubricants. htm — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, <sgaber@…> wrote: > > I think petroleum products are damaging to natural rubber. But many O-ring gaskets are made of modern synthetic rubber substitutes, which are more chemically resiostant. > > Steve Gaber > Sanderling, 1967 C-31 #77 > Oldsmar, FL > > ---- Al Lorman <ajl@…> wrote: > > I respectfully disagree. O-Ring Grease may be great, and may be preferable > > for all I know, but I’ve used Vaseline on the gaskets of several boats and > > while I did not keep them for the ages and so cannot report on their > > long-term viability, I never had a problem with the rubber degrading. > > > > > > > > Al Lorman > > > > > > > > From: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of katorpus > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:26 PM > > To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Hidden Problems Found on 40/40 > > > > > > > > Lola…take this tip from another fellow sailor… > > > > Vaseline is a petroleum based product. No petroleum based product > > should ever be used to lubricate rubber gaskets. > > > > I would suggest that you remove it (use Dawn or some other type of > > non-petroleum degreaser) and re-treat your gaskets with “O-Ring > > Grease” or some other product that is MADE for lubricating rubber. > > > > This is available at plumbing supply stores, swimming pool shops > > (where it’s used on the large O-Ring gaskets on the hair & leaf pot > > for the pump), and elsewhere. It comes in a little tub with a snap-on > > top and goes a LONG way. > > > > Your gaskets may be “pliable like new” at the moment, but they will > > deteriorate into a rotten mess in time (think…“foam rubber left in > > th sun”)if you leave the vaseline on them. > > > > — In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com > > mailto:FreedomOwnersGroup%40yahoogroups.com , “lolaltd” <lolaltd@> > > wrote: > > > > > > On my F30 I applied Vaseline to my gaskets inside the interior > > > side…don’t take gasket out…I too had the screw on the gasket > > > problem…what a difference…made them pliable like new. > > > > > > It was a tip from a fellow sailor. > > > > > > Lola F30 > > > > > > > > > > > – >

michel.capel · November 20, 2008, 8:46am

Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)

I’m surprised thatt you have to replace the headliners already after 9
years. As far as my experience goes, the foam backing would last about
15 years before it’s crumbled.

I replaced the headliners of my 1981 F44 two years ago and I found
lots of wet bolts of hardware. Because my deck was spraypainted, I
took of all (yes everything) hardware off the deck. I found that
Freedom did not do a very good job in bedding the deck hardware; The
balsa core wasn’t sealed and the bolt shafts were not covered in
sealant at quite a few holes.

Michel

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Geoffrey Schultz”
<geoff.freedom@…> wrote:

I have a Freedom 40/40, hull #25, which was built in 1997. It’s been
9 years since I had the boat back near my home in MA, but this year
it’s sitting at Brewer’s Sakonnet in Portsmouth, RI and I’ve been
doing a lot of work on it. I’ve discovered a two issues that
certainly weren’t obvious, and perhaps warrant looking at on your boats.

I’m replacing the headliner due to the foam backing deteriorating
and I was quite surprised to discover that some of the bolts holding
the traveler assembly are leaking and the bolts are covered with brown
glop. The balsa core around these bolts is wet. I’ll be pulling the
assembly next time I go down to the boat and re-bedding the bolts.

A majority of my portholes have water intrusion through the screw
holes on the outer ring. I’ve just finished rebedding all 14(?)
portholes with Sikaflex. That was a 3 days job…

You may want to look at this on your boat. I sure wasn’t expecting
what I found and without pulling the headliner, I wouldn’t have found
these.

– Geoff

george_huffman1 · November 20, 2008, 12:41pm

Posted by george huffman (thatboatguy2@…>)
Michel,We are going through the same thing with our aft cabin. And I’m scarred to death of having to remove and re-bed that beautiful taff rail. Oddly enough the forward cabin was actually pretty tight and we retain the original 30 year old headliner. I think that the real killer is heat on those headliners. Boats that have spent their lives plying the warmer climes are probably suffering from foam deterioration faster than those northern boats. George— On Thu, 11/20/08, michel.capel <michel.capel@…> wrote:From: michel.capel <michel.capel@…>Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Hidden Problems Found on 40/40To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comDate:
Thursday, November 20, 2008, 3:46 AM

I’m surprised thatt you have to replace the headliners already after 9
years. As far as my experience goes, the foam backing would last about
15 years before it’s crumbled.

I replaced the headliners of my 1981 F44 two years ago and I found
lots of wet bolts of hardware. Because my deck was spraypainted, I
took of all (yes everything) hardware off the deck. I found that
Freedom did not do a very good job in bedding the deck hardware; The
balsa core wasn’t sealed and the bolt shafts were not covered in
sealant at quite a few holes.

Michel

Bob1 · November 20, 2008, 3:01pm

Posted by Bob (rweeks6508@…>)
I am replacing me headliner also on my F30 1987 (you are right accountants are more organized I use to be a Finance Controller but that was long… not so organized today) but I am not going with a foam back product again. Instead I am using a 1/4 thick foil coated insulation stickem one side to help reflect the heat in summer and keep the heat in during the fall and the b-board the guy in Thailand used.Bob On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 7:41 AM, george huffman wrote:Michel, We are going through the same thing with our aft cabin. And I’m scarred to death of having to remove and re-bed that beautiful taff rail. Oddly enough the forward cabin was actually pretty tight and we retain the original 30 year old headliner. I think that the real killer is heat on those headliners. Boats that have spent their lives plying the warmer climes are probably suffering from foam deterioration faster than those northern boats. George — On Thu, 11/20/08, michel.capel <michel.capel@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: michel.capel <michel.capel@ yahoo.com> Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Hidden Problems Found on 40/40 To: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 3:46 AM I’m surprised thatt you have to replace the headliners already after 9 years. As far as my experience goes, the foam backing would last about 15 years before it’s crumbled. I replaced the headliners of my 1981 F44 two years ago and I found lots of wet bolts of hardware. Because my deck was spraypainted, I took of all (yes everything) hardware off the deck. I found that Freedom did not do a very good job in bedding the deck hardware; The balsa core wasn’t sealed and the bolt shafts were not covered in sealant at quite a few holes. Michel

Geoffrey_Schultz · November 20, 2008, 7:28pm

Posted by Geoffrey Schultz (geoff.freedom@geoffschultz.org>)

I think that the real issue was storing the boat in the Caribbean for
hurricane season for many years. On the east coast it doesn’t begin
to get as hot as it is in Grenada, Honduras or Guatemala.

– Geoff

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “michel.capel”
<michel.capel@…> wrote:

I’m surprised thatt you have to replace the headliners already after 9
years. As far as my experience goes, the foam backing would last about
15 years before it’s crumbled.

I replaced the headliners of my 1981 F44 two years ago and I found
lots of wet bolts of hardware. Because my deck was spraypainted, I
took of all (yes everything) hardware off the deck. I found that
Freedom did not do a very good job in bedding the deck hardware; The
balsa core wasn’t sealed and the bolt shafts were not covered in
sealant at quite a few holes.

Michel

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, “Geoffrey Schultz”
<geoff.freedom@> wrote:

I have a Freedom 40/40, hull #25, which was built in 1997. It’s been
9 years since I had the boat back near my home in MA, but this year
it’s sitting at Brewer’s Sakonnet in Portsmouth, RI and I’ve been
doing a lot of work on it. I’ve discovered a two issues that
certainly weren’t obvious, and perhaps warrant looking at on your
boats.

I’m replacing the headliner due to the foam backing deteriorating
and I was quite surprised to discover that some of the bolts holding
the traveler assembly are leaking and the bolts are covered with brown
glop. The balsa core around these bolts is wet. I’ll be pulling the
assembly next time I go down to the boat and re-bedding the bolts.

A majority of my portholes have water intrusion through the screw
holes on the outer ring. I’ve just finished rebedding all 14(?)
portholes with Sikaflex. That was a 3 days job…

You may want to look at this on your boat. I sure wasn’t expecting
what I found and without pulling the headliner, I wouldn’t have found
these.

– Geoff

Skipper_Skip1 · November 20, 2008, 11:19pm

Posted by Skipper Skip (skipperf33@…>)
I concur with George on this. Here in So Cal we get lots of heat all year long. Over the years, I have watched the head-liner on my F33 get tighter than a condom on a porn star. Before I splash her again, I will be changing out that head-liner for sure!

Skip
1982 F33CK, Fixed Shoal Keel
Southern CA.— On Thu, 11/20/08, george huffman <thatboatguy2@…> wrote:
From: george huffman <thatboatguy2@…>Subject: Re: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Hidden Problems Found on 40/40To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.comDate: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 4:41 AM

Michel,We are going through the same thing with our aft cabin. And I’m scarred to death of having to remove and re-bed that beautiful taff rail. Oddly enough the forward cabin was actually pretty tight and we retain the original 30 year old headliner. I think that the real killer is heat on those headliners. Boats that have spent their lives plying the warmer climes are probably suffering from foam deterioration faster than those northern boats. George— On Thu, 11/20/08, michel.capel <michel.capel@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: michel.capel <michel.capel@ yahoo.com>Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup ] Re: Hidden Problems Found on 40/40To: FreedomOwnersGroup@ yahoogroups. comDate: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 3:46 AM

I’m surprised thatt you have to replace the headliners already after 9years. As far as my experience goes, the foam backing would last about15 years before it’s crumbled. I replaced the headliners of my 1981 F44 two years ago and I foundlots of wet bolts of hardware. Because my deck was spraypainted, Itook of all (yes everything) hardware off the deck. I found thatFreedom did not do a very good job in bedding the deck hardware; Thebalsa core wasn’t sealed and the bolt shafts were not covered insealant at quite a few holes.Michel

michel.capel · November 21, 2008, 9:59am

Posted by michel.capel (michel.capel@…>)

Yes, heat and most must be the headliner killers. My F40 spent most of
her life on the gulf coast and the plywood of the headliners was
completely rotten. I took off our 8’ long teak handrails without too
much of a problem and without breaking them.

I think you can get your taffrail off in one piece, provided that
there are nuts, boltheads or screwhead on the underside of the deck.
If you remove all the nuts, drag a thin, hot steel wire (guitar
string) between the deck and the bottom of the taffrail leg. It will
go through 3M 5200 without too much trouble.

Good luck!

Michel

— In FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com, george huffman
<thatboatguy2@…> wrote:

Michel,

We are going through the same thing with our aft cabin.ï¿½ And I’m
scarred to death of having to remove and re-bed that beautiful taff
rail.ï¿½ Oddly enough the forward cabin was actually pretty tight and we
retain the original 30 year old headliner.ï¿½ I think that the real
killer is heat on those headliners.ï¿½ Boats that have spent their lives
plying the warmer climes are probably suffering from foam
deterioration faster than those northern boats.ï¿½

George

— On Thu, 11/20/08, michel.capel <michel.capel@…> wrote:
From: michel.capel <michel.capel@…>
Subject: [FreedomOwnersGroup] Re: Hidden Problems Found on 40/40
To: FreedomOwnersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 3:46 AM
        I'm surprised thatt you have to replace the headliners

already after 9

years. As far as my experience goes, the foam backing would last about

15 years before it’s crumbled.

I replaced the headliners of my 1981 F44 two years ago and I found

lots of wet bolts of hardware. Because my deck was spraypainted, I

took of all (yes everything) hardware off the deck. I found that

Freedom did not do a very good job in bedding the deck hardware; The

balsa core wasn’t sealed and the bolt shafts were not covered in

sealant at quite a few holes.

Michel

ï¿½